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12:01 AM
I know. I guess it isn't so odd it was a popular answer after all. Everybody pees.
 
what cronjobs do you guys run or rather how do you backup your system?
just a simple tar cmd?
 
I just btrfs send.
A cool way to do it is with mksquashfs and it's pseuo-files, though.
You get a mountable backup.
 
 
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3:33 AM
@polym I have an 8 TB e-sata array that I rsync to monthly
 
Jeepers. @casey - how many disks is that total?
 
@mikeserv 4 x 2TB all in one enclosure
I have 6 disks in my machine (2x1TB, 4x2TB) with 7TB total available in two RAID arrays (1 TB mirror, 6TB raid 5)
So the external array is big enough to snapshot my machine, 3 laptops and my server. just right.
 
I have two WD 3tb green caviars. They're not very good. And some blue-light special 120gb Kingston SSD I picked up last year on Amazon for $100. I almost never use the greens though. I usually just do everything in tmp. I also blue-light specialed 24gbs of ram, and I never have enough going on to come anywhere near that kind of use.
But my backup is just an old 1tb wedged in between some shirts in the closet...
That's a big case, too, huh @casey?
 
@mikeserv I don't even recall what is in this machine. 4x ST2000DL003-9, 2xST31000526SV, whatever those model numbers equate to. Also have 24 GB RAM and I use it all in analysis code.
@mikeserv not huge, but not small either.
let me see if i can find a link to it
 
Well, I don't. All in one enclosure ... what's that look like? I picture your computer rolling around on tank treads.
With a cigar.
 
3:43 AM
haaha :D
 
@mikeserv ^^
and you can see the monitor setup in this Q
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Q: Monitor connected via displayport to DVI adapter won't sleep properly

caseyI have a monitor connected to my machine that displays odd behavior when entering power saving sleep mode. When entering sleep, the monitor will alternate between blanking and displaying a default desktop wallpaper (the KDE 4 default, which is not what I'm using). This monitor is connected to m...

 
oh man gotta sleep, 6am schweet schweet schleep
 
that's pretty shiny - that's a gigabyte board?
 
at first it looked like a screenshot from a 201X game
and now its even more shiny
 
ditto what @slm said.
 
3:47 AM
@mikeserv thats mostly the flash doing that. Board is an ASUS P6x58D-E
@mikeserv thanks
its a 2011 build
 
@casey - about the monitor thing, it might have to do with edids. Or, enough possibly to be solved that way. I disabled all extensions in my edid for nvidia 640gtx.
 
only update since the initial build is the video card
 
@casey does it turn into a transformer?
 
I think I wrote about it somewhere - do you audio through the same connection?
haha.
 
:D
 
3:48 AM
@mikeserv I've done some more tinkering (and need to edit the Q) and it looks like the core issue is that the monitor just never goes into power saving mode
I have it at least blanking now, though not sleeping.
It could be the dp-dvi adapter, but it is an active adapter, so it is supposed to work.
 
I had the same problem with a projector connected via HDMI, and I solved it by serving my own edid which basically just translated to plain dvi.
 
I'll have to look into the edid stuff. I need to do that to hide the hdmi audio channel
 
hey i got the same jogging trousers
in fact, i got them on me right now
 
Yeah. That's what I had to do. I found some little bin that did it in seconds. ...
Hang on.
 
so comfy
 
3:51 AM
I don't mind having the hdmi audio there and always off, but I have one program in particular that borks pulseaudio and somehow gets streams assigned to the hdmi profile. no idea how it does that, and easy to fix. just annoying.
 
Mine too. But it solved other problems.
0
A: Number of X screens corresponding to number of "Screen" sections in xorg.conf file for multi-monitor configuration

mikeservAs you note - you can't use Xinerama or TwinView and get X-compositing on your screens. What you really want to do involves multiple Device entries in xorg.conf for the same device and/or nvidia's mosaic mode. I went through this just the other day after rearranging the living room to accomodate ...

After setting it up I found some old question to answer so I could remember how I did it. I guess, it was kinda like taking notes.
There's a link in that to a very good post that includes a run-once binary. You just little_program <current_edid >dvi_edid
 
@mikeserv this one: analogbit.com/software/edid_disable_exts ? I have this tab saved, probably for this purpose, just haven't got around to doing it
 
Yup.
 
yep, thats the one you link to
 
I guess we can both google.
Hi-5.
 
3:56 AM
:)
 
Anyway, it does work.
 
good to know.
 
That question is put together pretty well.
Shame they're not all like that.
 
yep, its a pain when you have to beg in comments for the most basic of information
I try to be comprehensive. I've been figuring things out long before SE or even google have existed, so I treat SE more like a last resort than a first.
 
Yeah. Now I won't settle until I have at least 4 screenshots.
Makes sense to me. I have more fun figuring that stuff out for myself, personally. Plus, I can be pretty skeptical, so I probably won't believe an answer completely until I've proven it to myself anyway.
@polym - you still around?
Your backup question already has a close vote on it for being too broad. It's not mine, but maybe it is a little broad. Can you narrow the focus a little?
Maybe I' m too late.
 
 
6 hours later…
10:30 AM
unix.stackexchange.com/questions/137820/… Hi All. I think this should be merged into a community wiki. It would be great to have a wiki on architectural issues like this
 
@Rqomey The concept of CW answers has been shown to not really work in the SE model. If you think you can combine aspects of those different answers into one answer that is more helpful than the others, feel free to have a go at it as a regular answer.
 
re
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Q: Command-line incremental backup tools

polymWhich backup tools, which I can use via the command line, are the fastest and most reliable? Which has the best compression rate? What directories should I backup (and are therefore crucial for most systems), apart from my home directory?

How about now?
 
11:05 AM
@polym Still to broad.
1) you're asking two questions, not one 2) what do you want to compress? What type of file? Do you want high compression? Great speed? 3) asking for lists is generally too broad on all SE sites.
 
i can't answer what type of file, since I want to backup my entire system :(
 
@polym I know, but that is one of the things that makes this too broad I'm afraid.
 
and if i want to prioritize speed above high compression, should I add that?
 
Yes, different algorithms optimize one over the other.
However, it's going to be very hard (impossible?) to beat that question into shape since you're basically asking for opinion, not fact:
> every answer is equally valid: “What’s your favorite ______?”
 
@terdon yeah :(. But how should I ask Unix SE how to backup my system with good speed, while maintaining good compression?
 
11:12 AM
Make it as specific as possible. "I want to backup my entire system, including movies, music, text and configuration files. The compressed backup will be stored in X place (which is a Y kind of thing), will be accessed very/not very often. I therefore need speed/compression/whatever. I am currently doing it this way, will that work?"
 
11:31 AM
@polym I edited your question and voted to reopen. It might still be too broad but at least it's only asking a single question now and can be answered with facts not opinion.
You should ask the second question separately.
Actually, your second question is pretty much answered here:
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Q: What directories do I need to back up?

user394What are the directories one should back up, in order to have a backup of all user-generated files? From a vanilla debian install, I can do enough apt to get the packages that I want. So if I don't want to backup the entire system, where all in the filesystem do user-generated configuration and...

 
@terdon Oh cool thanks :))
 
You're welcome.
 
unix.stackexchange.com/q/138908/72471 What does he mean by group lock?
 
slm
@polym - probably the icon in nautilus
I think they're called emblems
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Q: Where are the emblems coming from on the default folders?

isyncOn a fresh Ubuntu, you usually have these default (empty) folders: Downloads Documents Music Videos ... all with special emblems. BUT, where are these Emblems coming from?, what's telling Nautilus to display these emblems? Now that Nautilus has dropped Emblems support, I am unable to inspect...

 
@terdon - cool. seconded.
 
11:44 AM
Thanks Mike.
 
@polym - you really should look at mksquashfs - at least for a full backup. incremental options are pretty much not an option that way though. One way an incremental could work though...
This isn't a very thorough explanation... but if you combine btrfs and mksquash you could possibly develop an incremental solution that resulted in mountable archived filesystems... unix.stackexchange.com/a/123257/52934
In any case, the degree of compression is pretty high depending on your original filesystem. When squashing an image I usually wind up with ~20% the size of the original.
Of course @terdon - it was a good question ... er ... questions in the first place. IT's even better now.
 
@mikeserv Thanks, I'll look into it. :)
two more votes weeee :)
 
You too @slm. You and terdon should both be answering tons of questions because in a few hours you become janitors.
That dog is going places.
 
:D
 
@mikeserv Yeah, if we can take the meta Q&A as an exit poll, it looks like @slm @derobert and I are ahead. Dunno how accurate that is though. I upvoted everyone there for example.
 
slm
I voted everyone up too
 
@slm We're too nice to be politicians.
 
slm
12:22 PM
@terdon - yeah I hadn't realized how political it was going to be, before putting my name in 8-)
 
@slm Been pretty civil really.
Well, apart from @goldilock's shameless partisanship:
 
cnst's election text is quite descriptive
 
I'm sorry. I just can't vote for an emacs user. They have too much power already. — goldilocks yesterday
:)
 
@terdon haha
 
I actually laughed out loud when I saw that. Darned vim people.
 
12:24 PM
oh wait you use emacs? ok i'll consider my voting again hmmm... :D
 
They're strange but they can be funny.
@polym :P
 
@slm @terdon are you exciteeeeed? :)
T-7hours
 
slm
@terdon - true, the comments were irksome to me, but that's something you get used to w/ A'ing
 
slm
I'm excited so that we can get things back to normal
 
12:27 PM
@terdon that music
i'm already thrilled
 
@polym That movie... I remember seeing it in the cinema and when the credits rolled there were simply a few seconds of silence. Nobody moved, spoke or anything. The whole audience was just blown away. Brilliant film. Not sure I want to watch it again, ever, but brilliant.
 
12:52 PM
@terdon is *.odt sorted alphabetically?
 
@polym Yup
$ touch {a,b,c,A,B,C}.odt
$ echo *odt
a.odt A.odt b.odt B.odt c.odt C.odt
 
cool ok :)
 
Even if it weren't, parsing ls is never a good way to get file names.
(I said filenames in case any lurker is watching)
 
also if you guys become janitors of Unix SE, do you also have the ability to make coding blocks in color, e.g. like in SO stackoverflow.com/q/24386864/3739455 ?
 
and here:
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Q: Why *not* parse `ls`?

mikeservI consistently see answers quoting this link stating definitively "Don't parse ls!" This bothers me for a couple of reasons: It seems the information in that link has been accepted wholesale with little question, though I can pick out at least a few errors in casual reading. It also seems as if...

 
12:56 PM
@terdon thx, will read :)
 
1:34 PM
We should bookmark the next "parse ls" argument that occurs here so we can just link to that and avoid future ones :)
 
1:47 PM
@casey I'm kinda hoping someone will ask the question again and it can be answered properly. That one turned into a "how can I parse ls?"
 
2:18 PM
@FaheemMitha hi
 
2:34 PM
Weird unanswered Q: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/137482/… ... I bet there is a simple program that does that. Of course, isn't there a TUI version of gparted?
I confess, I've never actually attempted to resize a filesystem on a bare partition. Mainly because mine are always on LVM...
 
yep, the only resizes I mess with involve lvextend and resize2fs
 
@casey let me introduce you to -r :-)
Especially useful for shrinking filesystems.
 
2:58 PM
@Trylks Hi. How are you? I remember the discussion.
 
@derobert Well, you can do it with multiple cli tools, such as fdisk and resize2fs
 
@FaheemMitha fine, how are you?
@FaheemMitha should we go to the academia chat?
 
but I don't know of any one that does it all, but I've also never tried. I'm quite happy to use tools which do one thing and do it well :-)
 
@Trylks I'm Ok. Dunno, if you want to. Technically academia.sx is off-topic here.
Sure, let's move there if you want. One sec.
 
@Patrick the UNIX philosophy, huh ;)
 
3:03 PM
@Trylks Ok, I'm in academia.sx chat now.
 
It might be a wonderful world if all linux installers defaulted to creating one giant partition, putting LVM on that, and then creating all the filesystems at their minimal recommended size, leaving the majority of the LVM disk free. Then provided a very simple tool to do "resize /mount/point +10G".
So many times issues come up because users give their /home 3tb of space, then their root volume fills up and home is 99% free.
 
@Patrick That would be nice. I'm not sure if its the default, but 'use entire disk and set up LVM' is an option in the Debian installer. I don't think it leaves a ton of space unallocated, but I'm not sure.
And "resize /mount/point +10G" almost exists, it's lvresize vg/lvname -L +10G -r
 
@derobert Yeah, it's not too hard, but then you have to get out the appropriate FS tool (resize2fs, or whatever)
 
@Patrick no, that's what -r does.
 
o'rly?
 
3:14 PM
yep. Works for lvreduce as well (where its much more important)
 
Wow, was completely unaware of -r
 
Watt:~# lvextend -L250G -r Watt/var_tmp
  Extending logical volume var_tmp to 250.00 GiB
  Logical volume var_tmp successfully resized
resize2fs 1.42.10 (18-May-2014)
Filesystem at /dev/mapper/Watt-var_tmp is mounted on /var/tmp; on-line resizing required
old_desc_blocks = 13, new_desc_blocks = 16
The filesystem on /dev/mapper/Watt-var_tmp is now 65536000 blocks long.
it does the entire thing
(don't ask why my /var/tmp is so huge)
 
@Patrick I like LVM, and use it everywhere, but I don't know if it is the answer to everything.
 
@FaheemMitha But it is! :-)
 
@FaheemMitha Well, it's not the answer when you're using ZFS or btrfs. Other than that...
Or, I suppose, (shudder) Oracle ACFS
 
can zfs or btrfs do a live migration of data from one disk to another? Like if your / is on /dev/sda1, you could migrate it to /dev/sdb1 and then physically remove /dev/sda without shutting down?
 
@Patrick Not sure about ZFS. btrfs, yes, I believe it can.
 
nice
 
@derobert Interesting.
 
3:25 PM
Ok, so LVM is still the answer to everything, but there are other equally valid answers :-P
 
btrfs (and I believe ZFS, which I haven't used) is built on the idea of an integrated storage stack: everything from redundancy through volume management through filesystem put into one thing.
 
but then people keeps whining about the layering, that the filesystem shouldn't be aware of the partition table, and whatnot
 
Which gives you all kinds of neat things, like you can have your video editor temp file on RAID0, but /etc on RAID1, and some other data on RAID6, all on the same filesystem.
 
@derobert what about logging? do they do logging? what about version control type stuff? rollbacks to earlier versions?
 
@FaheemMitha btrfs is journaled. I don't think it does audit logging itself (you can use the normal audit logging stuff, of course). It has cheap snapshots, which give you easy rollbacks to earlier versions
 
3:31 PM
@derobert I see. Is there human readable logging, a la version ontrol?
 
I don't think they have save-every-version, only save-every-N-minutes via snapshots
but snapshots on btrfs are cheap; you can have a lot of them.
 
@derobert can the snapshots be annotated?
 
you can give them arbitrary names
 
@derobert ok
 
not sure what other metadata you can add. Probably as much as you want with xattrs
Snapshots are exposed as ordinary directories
 
3:35 PM
anyone has any idea about this? askubuntu.com/q/455376/169736
I haven't used R, but that doesn't appear to be a normal behavior
btw, just me or gravatar is slow :/
 
Hmmm, unix.stackexchange.com/a/97174/977 just put me over 20k :-)
 
@derobert gratz
 
And, possibly, in ~5h it won't matter :-P
 
ugh
HOST: bt                          Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
  1.|-- dsldevice.lan             10.0%    10    1.8 1172.   1.8 4545. 1634.1
 
@derobert Congratulations :-)
 
3:44 PM
@Braiam Fun. Line noise?
Or is that just bufferbloat from something flooding the line?
 
3:56 PM
@derobert don't know...
 
BTW, is it just me, or did they do a minor redesign of the community bulletin?
I think its more noticeable now, and has category headings.
 
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Q: Redesigned community bulletin

David FullertonWe just rolled out a redesign of the community bulletin. The goals were: To make blog posts, events and featured posts stand out more To distinguish between featured posts from MSE vs. the site's meta, and SE blog posts vs. site blog posts While also balancing not overwhelming the page too mu...

 
@derobert, congrats :)
 
4:13 PM
@derobert congrats
 
@terdon THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS...
 
@terdon What movie?
That cow question keeps accumulating point. Tres bizarre.
 
@FaheemMitha Yeah, nothing like when it was a featured question, though.
 
@derobert It was a featured question?
Apparently people really like cows. Who knew?
 
@Ramesh BTW: iostat is pretty much the first tool to turn to when asking 'why is this IO so )#)!(@# slow'
 
4:19 PM
Doesn't stop them from eating beef, though.
 
@FaheemMitha Sorry, hot question, not featured
 
@derobert Ah, ok.
 
@FaheemMitha People really like cows because they're tasty?
 
@derobert Sounds plausible. Is beef really that tasty?
 
@derobert, sure. I will keep that in mind. I was just checking how to increase the inode count on a new file system.
I am not going to run mkfs on the system that am going to install newly. How can I increase the inode count?
 
4:21 PM
@FaheemMitha Yep. It's no bacon, but its tasty. At least to people used to eating it.
 
@derobert, have you tried beef kebab?
 
@Ramesh You're not going to format it?
@Ramesh yep, tasty
 
@derobert, I will be formatting it. I am not sure how to increase the inode count though.
I mean I will be installing from the CD. Do we have option to increase the inode count while installing from CD as well?
 
@Ramesh if the installer format utility does not give you the option to increase the inode count, then you need to break into the command line and run mkfs by hand.
I'm not sure how to do that exactly in the RHEL installer. It'd make a good question for the site, though (presuming it isn't already asked)
and, I suppose, there isn't a big field labeled 'number of inodes' in the installer :-P
 
@derobert, sounds good. I will post it if not already there. I will check the installer CD in virtualbox.
 
4:24 PM
Sounds like a plan.
 
I find it difficult to explain the internals to the security team.
 
At least for ext2/3/4, iodes/byte is set in stone at mkfs time. So you have to get it right then.
 
They just think it's just a matter of plug and play for installation :(
@derobert, actually you have mentioned it here too.
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A: debug mkfs.ext3 command output

RameshFirst, let us use the bytes notation to understand the concepts. Now, the actual size of the external HDD was 850GB which translates to 912680550400 bytes. Block size and fragment size The block size specifies the size that the file-system will use to read and write data. Here the default bloc...

I did not realize they will be related :)
 
4:40 PM
I don't suppose anyone in here speaks the Git tools natively?
 
@MichaelKjörling the linux kernel is managed by a git repository, so I wouldn't say so ;)
 
@Braiam Darn! And all this time I thought it was maintained by programmers! ;)
Just beating my head against it. I have a github repo B that is a clone of another github repo A, and I want to fetch all recent changes in A into B. And I simply can't figure out how to do such a seemingly simple operation, anywhere. :(
 
5:01 PM
4 hours ago, by terdon
(I said filenames in case any lurker is watching)
See? I already diffused that before it could escalate :)
@FaheemMitha Requiem for a dream.
 
@terdon - indeed. You are a chatroom MacGyver
 
@mikeserv Heh, that takes me back :)
 
Wanna know something weird about that though? Just last night I was playing around with it again - for no particular reason.
I got a list of current directory filenames shell quoted reliably in order of modification time - excluding child directory results like:
ls -dmtp ././* |
sed -ne :nl -ne '$!N;s| *\./\./[^/]*/, *||g'"
s|'"'|&"&"&|g;s|\n\(\./\./\)| \1|g
\|^\(....\).*\1.*\1.*\1.*\1.*\1|!{$!bnl}'"
s|\./\(.*[^,]\),* *\$|'./\1'|;s|\./\./|&&|6
s|, *\(\./\./\)\1.*|'|;s|, *\./\./|' '././|gp;q"
Dammit.
I dunno why that doesn't format as code. There's probably a better way to do it with cut or something. But that returns the 5 latest modified files in a directory regardless of whatever special characters their names might contain.
It uses the -m stream option and -d options to mark the beginning of a filename.
It's pretty long.
 
I'm not even going to try and decipher that one. I'll take your word for it.
 
It just pulls in more entries if there are not already 6, then splits em on ././ and shell-quotes them with '.
Oh, and if any ' already exist it first shell quotes those like '"'"'
But they come in presorted and go out like '././filename1' '././filename2'... etc.
I decided it not to post it as an answer. Mostly because I didn't want to explain what I just did.
 
5:20 PM
Understandable.
 
Where do i find the source code of /usr/bin/last ? its not in the coreutils
 
@polym On my Debian, it comes from the sysvinit-utils package.
 
@polym is not in coreutils, IMO
 
@terdon @Braiam thanks i'll apt-get source sysvinit-utils and have a look
@terdon how did you know that it is from that specific package?
 
$ apt-file search /usr/bin/last
 
5:25 PM
@polym dpkg -S /usr/bin/last
 
Braiam's is better since you don't need to install apt-file but installing apt-file is a good idea anyway.
 
@Braiam @terdon oh thank you both :)
 
@terdon Wow, that sounds really unpleasant.
 
@FaheemMitha It is. It is also absolutely brilliant. A work of art in all senses of the term but no, not pleasant.
 
@terdon Don't forget # apt-file update if you just installed it.
 
5:29 PM
^^
 
@terdon I generally avoid films about drug addiction. Though Trainspotting was quite watchable, though perhaps uncharacteristically upbeat given its subject matter.
 
I tend to avoid unpleasant films in general. That one was just brilliant is all. And more, well, powerful than unpleasant as such. It's not awful from start to finish.
 
@terdon Ok.
I find zombie films quite entertaining in general. Otherwise, yes, I avoid unpleasant films in general too.
There was that Sarah Polley film, for example. Dawn of the Dead, I think.
 
@mikeserv, it's back. :P
I found requiem for a dream movie quiet unpleasant.
 
^^^ditto that^^^
 
5:40 PM
Oh, you've all seen it?
How do you guys feel about Zombie pics?
 
@mikeserv, what?
@FaheemMitha, I do not like them that much.
 
I watched it with a girlfriend as a teenager. For whatever reason she enjoyed it. We did that and Waking Life back to back... Horrible.
The requiem for a dream thing - terrible movie.
 
I hate most of darren arfonsky movies. For some reasons, most of his films will be pretty depressing.
 
@Ramesh I don't know that person.
 
5:49 PM
Yes, but also extremely good. Which is usually not a reason for me to watch a movie but it is a reason to respect it.
 
I watch any kind of movie as long as is not utter crap
I prefer comedies, scifi, and badassery
 
Well, Brazil is not a pleasant film, for the most part, but is extemely good. And I don't actually find it unpleasant to watch, though some might it so.
 
@polym saves the day! For what it's worth, I didn't much like the girlfriend either.
 
:))
man i can't upvote anymore, today's limit is already reached :(
how does your dmesg sound? dmesg | aplay
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:D
 
@Ramesh hey what was using up all the inodes in your question earlier?
 
5:58 PM
vimmers - target acquired:
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Q: Emacs slow loading time with AUCTeX on TeX files

user133987I installed the auctex and emacs packages on two Xubuntu 14.04 computers, both of which have been working fine. Emacs itself works fine on both, but now with the auctex package installed, when I load a TeX file (even just an empty one) I have a six second loading time for auctex, wich I have to g...

 
unloading flame
 
Haha, engaging tangos, time now
 
T-1hour until election day :D
 
@polym - that dmesg | aplay thing is pretty cool. I bet you could do some pretty neat stuff in a similar vein with sox and effects. Like, I dunno, autotune it or something.
 
@polym 4pm, 1hr 55m
 
6:05 PM
People could submit bug reports via soundcloud.
 
haha let's make our own music!
yeah haha
 
The times on the election page are rounded down
 
One of many time-related decisions that SE stands firm on, despite confusing nearly 100% of users
 
But 1hr, 55m doesn't look very round, Nevermind - that was stupid.
 
Just like find -mtime :-)
 
6:23 PM
Wha? 20:00 UTC is in 37 minutes.
 
Not according to SE.
 
It's 18:24 UTC right now
 
^^
 
I keep a GMT clock in my task bar. I can't do that higher level math of subtracting and adding time
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What? I thought UCT was basically GMT and it's 19:28 GMT now.
 
6:28 PM
@Patrick I have to look it up every time :-(
GMT clock is a good idea, wonder if I can do that on a mac
 
I spent enough time in the UK to remember easily but you guys are confusing me now.
It's the DST screwing things up right?
 
@terdon yup
 
@terdon UTC and GMT may differ by leap seconds but in general they are the same. Neither observe DST.
 
UTC time is in the achievements dropdown
 
@Patrick What DE do you run? I've wanted to do that for a while..
Maybe I should just write one.
 
6:30 PM
its 1830 UTC (or GMT) now
 
@Seth XFCE
 
@Kevin Thanks. Crap then.
 
@Patrick Ah, yup, that won't work for me.
 
meh, calculating UTC time is easy... if you are in -4 UTC, just sum 4 hours to your current time, if you are in +4UTC just subtract 4 hours of your current time
 
@Braiam Not if you have differing DST settings.
 
6:31 PM
btw, I had to upgrade gnome-control-center to experimental to fix a bug with the background and now I have other with the date/time
 
@Braiam that requires knowing your UTC offset. That was always a pain when going somewhere like St Johns, NF, Canada. +3:30? are you kidding? just tell me what time I have to wake up to get out of this place please.
And I run into the same problem trying to catch a soccer game in CET or something and not knowing when they transitiotn to summer time. I'd be for abolishing local time and using UTC for everything
Thankfully in aviation we did just that. Everything in UTC, just have to convert to local time for the passengers at the endpoints.
 
@casey well, that depends on the personality of the individual... I always try to know the off set in the place I am... if I get in trouble I just use this
 
@Braiam But that's just it, the offset is often not enough. If one of the two locations you are comparing uses DST and the other does not, the time dofference is not stable.
 
Yep, if you go to AZ or Indiana in the US and aren't aware of locality deviations from DST, you might end up an hour off half of the year
 
@casey St. Johns is actually a purdy nice place, methinks.
 
6:40 PM
@goldilocks I like it myself, but not everyone I knew shared that view. I was only there once in the "warm" part of the year, most of my visits were mid-February and short 8-10 hour stays.
 
@casey I've only just been for a week last summer and I was fairly drunk most of the time. I'd like to try living there at some point tho. No doubt the winters are real serious.
 
@casey - those states are wonky. if only they would drink some of this fluoridated water they'd be sure to see it our way.
 
In general I like all of the Canadian maritimes. I've spent a lot of time in Moncton and Halifax
 
Yeah Moncton's very cute.
 
7:18 PM
Election ends in 40 minutes approx?
Are results available immediately?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, and results are available as soon as someone runs the numbers.
 
@FaheemMitha We have to wait until the elves are done.
 
@goldilocks Which elves are those? The ones at the North Pole?
 
@FaheemMitha I think that's a more senior position. Our elves are still just counting and scheming.
And honing their desktops ;)
 
@goldilocks Well, good luck to them.
 
7:29 PM
@creek, there were some bin files which was using up all the inodes I guess.
 
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Q: mutt: define which headers are displayed (in compose)

Martin VegterWhen composing a message in mutt, I see the following headers: From: To: Cc: Bcc: Subject: Reply-To: Fcc: ~/.mail/sent Mix: <no chain defined> Security: None I don't know what the Mix: header is for, and I don't think I will ever need it. Similarly, I will not...

Phew :D
Can you test if it works for you?
I tried and I think I succeeded :)
 
7:51 PM
10 more minutes yaay!
 
@Ramesh, that's crazy. I was reading into it, it's nuts
 
@Creek, I know. I nailed it to one particular folder which is the culprit. I am trying to determine how many files are actually present inside this folder.
 
@Ramesh is it a development box? I can't imagine having that many files
 
@Creek, no. I am at school. This is a research machine.
 
@Ramesh Take your places for the hacker coup d'etat @ 21:33 UTC. O_O
 
7:56 PM
@Ramesh gotcha, well good luck cleaning it up
 
@Ramesh ls -l | head -n1
 
mm... I see a shog
 
@kevin, I will try that now.
 
@goldilocks, I did not understand it. :)
44 seconds
@kevin, I get 24360 inside this particular culprit folder.
 
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