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12:00 AM

swap ports?

I'll suggest it

@terdon Sure. But the fact that you have mods screaming they don't want to migrate AU->U&L implies a complication, namely they don't want to do it, and they don't want the power to decide taken from them.

@goldilocks Actually, I have a more generous take on their motives. I think their problem is that the AU community has repeatedly proven it does not really understand the SE model and that adding this path would cause loads of crap to be moved which would then backfire on the mods. Given the general quality of AU posts, they may have a point.

@terdon that argument becomes invalid in the face of this other drama

@terdon I'm failing to see how that is a wise motive, so if by "generous" you mean, assuming they are well-intended but dim-witted, okay. This is a dumb-down the ignorant masses even more because we all know they can't learn because I tried to teach them my way and I failed. Then I turn around and use my failure as a leader as an excuse for why the stupid hordes must go on failing with me ;)

12:11 AM

@goldilocks your rhetoric amuses me

@goldilocks fair enough. That's why I think it should be tried. All I'm saying is that since the mods on any site tend to see the worse side of the community, they might know something we don't. Still not agreeing mind you, I'm playing devil's advocate here.

I thought I was playing devil's advocate, lol. Except maybe from the other side, double lol.

@Braiam not much drama there. To tell you the truth, I don't see why that Q bothers you. Everything in it is 100% applicable to ubuntu, it is well written and has a good answer. Anyway you look at it, it is an asses to the site. Sure, it is strictly speaking off-topic, but only because AU has decided on an extremely narrow scope. I think you should follow the spirit and not the letter of the law there.

meh, lets stop talking about AU.. I have enough with AU meta ;)

@terdon the problem is that OP will keep asking mint questions on AU and there will be one day that we couldn't help him because he's using mint ;)

OK, I'm intrigued with this. @Braiam @goldilocks @strugee do you have any ideas?

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Q: GRUB doesn't show up when second hard drive is present

I just finished messing with Windows 7 + Linux Mint dualboot and finally got it to work. Grub handles the booting. It works as expected as long as I have only my main hard drive connected. When I connect my second drive and start the laptop, the intro screen appears and then, instead of grub, o...

windows-7 linux hard-drive boot grub

And chat room here

12:14 AM

@terdon I swear we were talking about that before AU poped up again

@Braiam yup, so I got us back on topic since you understandably don't want to talk about that :)

oh lovely

I have a hardlocked system and SysRq is off

@strugee you know what that is called?

@terdon My first guess would be to agree w/ you about the drive assignment. It never loads grub at all. So I imagine there's no migration from SU either [groan]?

@goldilocks nope ;) But everything on topic here is also on topic there, so there's not much point.

12:24 AM

I should try to answer questions on SU...

@goldilocks Getting weirder and weirder. He's now installed grub on both drives and is still getting the same behavior!

@Braiam you should. There are some nice ones among all the crap.

@Braiam hhhm?

@strugee mhhh?

@Braiam what what is called?

@strugee what?

12:33 AM

@terdon I'm not totally clear on how much of grub is actually in the MBR and how much of it gets pulled from some location hard-coded into that, so if the grub on the 2nd drive was installed by plugging it in post boot, then there still could be a problem on reboot if the assignment is reversed. So you'd want to settle that question first (where is grub really?)

@goldilocks no idea, good point. My understanding is that grub has the basic stuff in the mbr and once that is read, it's pointed to the right drive. Presumably if grub is installed on both mbrs it should be pointed to the same dir afterwards. Any idea if setting the drive to be bootable is necessary? Is that even relevant to the MBR?

13 mins ago, by Braiam

@strugee you know what that is called?

sorry like I said my system was hardlocked so I couldn't see reply indicators

@terdon See, the bigger boards should welcome fragmentation via migration and the like. S.O. is ridiculous -- no one can possibly even skim more than a fraction of the questions. They're all sorted via tagging. So why not start new boards to cover, e.g., python programming specifically? I guess there is a bit of an advantage to the tags in the sense that you can have more than one tho.

@terdon some BIOS's violate the BIOS standard and require at least one partition marked bootable in order to boot a hard drive

@strugee I thought that was EFI stuff. Hmm, care to join in the chat?

12:38 AM

its really complicated nowadays

@terdon "pointed to the right drive" from the MBR. I dunno if that stuff from the config using search and the UUID is on the MBR or not. Also, whether it works all that well...

@goldilocks it's in /boot

@goldilocks no idea. I always assumed that grub.cfg or menu.lst or whatever was copied to the MBR in some form

I really hate debugging those Q's

I really think the token line should be if you don't know how to do your own dual boots then don't do them.

it's an endless waste of time

I think the bottom line should be: get a BIOS that isn't shit

12:40 AM

that too

#coreboot

@slm harsh. But this is a really weird problem and the OP is knowledgeable enough to make debugging it relatively easy.

:P

@strugee you love Linus quotes

@Braiam I wasn't actually thinking of that but it does work perfectly

12:40 AM

@slm actually the dual boot is done fine, just that when he plugs an extra hdd it kaputs

@strugee There's stuff in /boot but I don't know how much (if any) of it is used by grub when it boots. It could just be used when the config is processed to create the MBR -- 512 kb is a decent amount of space for an executable.

@terdon They're just next to impossible to debug since it's like talking someone through landing a 747 that's never piloted a plane from the ground.

@Braiam Does reversing the cabling make a difference?

swap SATA ports

@slm nope

that's the weird thing...

@slm agreed, but in this case, the OP is a CS student and not completely clueless. He's done pretty much exactly what I would have and it doesn't work. There's something strange going on.

@goldilocks @terdon btw: the Wikipedia page on GRUB is wrong last I checked, e.g. there is no such thing as Stage 1.5 anymore

you have to look directly at the GNU documentation

12:44 AM

Sorry those Q's just remind me of a lot of time I've wasted doing that exact thing. There are easier ways to work around it then trying the frontal assault.

@slm No reason to apologize, to each his own :) I tend to enjoy them as puzzles up to a certain point.

@slm don't worry about it, I think we all get it

we did the normal hacks, installing grub in boot drivers, swaping cables, check the bios, what else can we try?

@strugee Yeah I think that's why I have that idea that it loads something from beyond the MBR (something about legacy grub and stage 1.5).

@strugee Yes that was brought up before that the page is incorrect when I referenced it in another A

12:45 AM

@slm yeah that was what I was thinking of

No one in the thread felt comfortable changing it I guess, i wasn't about to since I wasn't sure how it actually was implemented.

You might try booting a live CD with both drives attached, then chroot and reinstall grub from the original Mint install.

I'll dig up the Q&A and see if we can drop a line to the devs for grub

the 1.5 stage wasn't something that allowed mbr based boots to "upgrade" to script based?

@strugee - This was the Q, right?

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A: How does Linux deal with a separate /boot partition?

Question #1 My understanding is that the bootloader GRUB2, is mounted to /boot. When the directory /boot is on seperate partition sda2, however, how is it that this can happen before / is actually mounted? I don't think you're understanding is quite right here. From the GNU GRUB Wikiped...

12:47 AM

I know I had to deal with a server installation about it when the time came, didn't give me problems

@slm yah

@Braiam I don't remember

Can you really hotplug a SATA drive into a laptop? I'm not much of a hardware junkie.

good question

@terdon please laugh

@slm Sheesh, ok then. I'm always confusing the size of the MBR. 512 bytes ain't enough, so as per that it is loading something from a hard coded location. Which explains all this.

12:54 AM

@Braiam :)

@strugee Sent an email to the grub-help mailing list about it.

never trust OP, I was about to ask if he deactivated fuse automount, but I presumed he already did

IMO only old BIOS need 512, most of them has 2kB already

@slm send us a gmane link or something when it goes through

yup

@goldilocks correct

I keep meaning to spend an hour or 2 w/ a disk editor to actually get some visuals together of this part of the disk

it's all so confusing

I know vaguely how it works but...

1:00 AM

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I don't know what to think...

WHAT

link so I can go vote that up?

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Q: Community Promotion Ads - 2014

It's the time of the year again, namely it is December 2013, and so we shall now refresh our Community Promotion Ads for the new year. What are Community Promotion Ads? Community Promotion Ads are community-vetted advertisements that will show up on the main site, in the right sidebar. The purp...

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is one of the weird things of AU

@Braiam I've voted that one down. I find there is something ghoulish in having a huge photograph of a dead giant on the site. He was a great man, no question about that, but I'd rather see the community adds promoting useful software. That made more sense last year when he had just died, why should we have it today?

Going to vote down that shuttleworth picture now. What the hell does that link to anyway?

@terdon bio

Shit, that was not on our site?

1:04 AM

O_O

that makes me wonder why we don't have a LibreOffice ad

hahahahahahaha

OK, on AU it makes more sense, I thought someone had added that as an add on ours

@terdon it does link to some really interesting stuff through

e.g. reflections on trusting trust

@strugee yes. I just find it ghoulish. The image is too big and makes me think of funerals. I thought the community adds were to promote cool software or oss foundations and the like.

@Braiam ?

1:06 AM

2 mins ago, by terdon

Shit, that was not on our site?

3 mins ago, by Braiam

is one of the weird things of AU

@terdon yeah I like it but I do understand your viewpoint

@slm bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1179691

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if it had some letters like "father of X" it would make sence

@slm ? W8?

yup

let's put that on the side

1:08 AM

still, how can you google for a term where the system might suddenly reboots?

@slm ah, brings back the good old days huh?

sure

@Braiam I missed that one 'cause it was under the link you posted

heh, much as AU annoys me this one is pretty great:

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2014

@terdon "That made more sense last year when he had just died" -> Arbitrary logic. Why shouldn't he be here from now on that he is dead? It's hard to name a more fundamental figure in the history of *nix, I think. He's not just "some guy".

1:14 AM

@strugee :P

@goldilocks Which bit from this thread are you sharing w/ me?

@goldilocks I think that the argument of @terdon is that is just a photo, it doesn't tell you what's about if you don't know who he is. I would propose that we add some text or quote so it becomes more descriptive

@slm Just that core.img really is in the "MBR gap", etc. I wasn't sure how that worked.

whoever starred my BIOS message, you just earned me a badge \o/

@Braiam I know they are ads, and when people pay for advertising they generally want clarity and information, not cryptic ambiguity. OTOH, there are ad campaigns that subvert this by drawing the you in to solve a mystery.

Which is cool. er.

1:25 AM

man, @Gilles's ad became semifamous:

@stuffe I personally don't want the power to toot and am tempted to adopt / adapt a clever community advert by Giles on Unix and Linux. — bmike Feb 26 at 18:30

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^ Larry Wall's daughter ^ Now that ought to cause some confusion.

Notice the calculator watch.

@strugee heh

@goldilocks ah. thanks

btw, wow, so many people here

@goldilocks of course he's not some guy! He is, as you say, probably the single most important person in *nix history. Linking to a wikipedia page about him might make sense but his obituary? It made sense last year because he had just died, I think that was how I actually learned that he'd died.

I'd rather see useful software promoted there, or even living legends but I don't see the point is posting large photographs of dead giants.

1:36 AM

@terdon <troll>well you were the one who posted Haiku so clearly you're not a complete stickler for useful</troll>

@strugee heh, I don't see why it's not useful. Were you the one who was posting silly comments about starting an OS now etc?

At least the ArchWiki mentions that stage 1.5 is no longer used and that grub2 is modular

@terdon no in all seriousness Haiku is on my list of systems to try out. there's so much fascinating stuff

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Grub#Notes_for_GRUB_Legacy_users

MINIX3 ("not your grandfather's MINIX"), the Hurd, NixOS/Guix... agh so many toys to play with, so little time

1:38 AM

@strugee yeah, it looks really cool and I like the fact that they're continuing BeOS

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2014

Now's your chance then

@goldilocks wow, midnight commander, haven't seen that one in ages!

ROCKS!!!

Definitely on my list of best software of all time.

really?

I could never get in to file managers. just coreutils, please

I honestly cannot imagine using a terminal without it.

@strugee orthagonal file managner ;)

1:45 AM

@terdon so I'm checking out Terminator and I was really pumped about it until I found out that it was Java

@goldilocks I don't use a file manager either, just pure terminal. I used to use mc but years ago and not for long.

@strugee python I think

Whoops, that should be orthodox. Orthogonal makes more sense somehow. Or less no sense. Or something.

@strugee yes, python:

 terdon@oregano ~ $ file /usr/share/terminator/terminator
/usr/share/terminator/terminator: Python script, ASCII text executable

> Terminator will run on any modern OS with Java 6 or later.

software.jessies.org/terminator

apt-cache depends terminator
terminator
  Depends: gconf2
    gconf2:amd64
  Depends: python-dbus
  Depends: python-gobject
  Depends: python-gtk2
  Depends: python-vte
  Depends: <python:any>
    python
    python:amd64
  Recommends: python-gnome2
  Recommends: python-keybinder
  Recommends: python-notify
  Recommends: xdg-utils

dunno how he would pull java

1:48 AM

Yeah and I just had a quick look at the source, I don't see any java in there

maybe I got the wrong project

@strugee tenshu.net/terminator

@strugee they seem to need java to run on windows

wait, that's gnome terminator...

@terdon It's totally spoiled me WRT remembering how to invoke tar, etc. Spent some time cursing when answering that "backup" question earlier because of this. Then that prick terdon scooped the check ;)

1:50 AM

lol, That's what you get for using crutches MR kernel hacker :)

@goldilocks you need a cramming session of tar? ;)

I don't know what's worse--the fact that after 15 years of using tar I still can't keep the flags straight, or that after 15 years of technological advancement I'm still mucking with tar flags that were 15 years old when I started.

I never got that one, tar cvzf foo.tgz *txt

I only ever use tar in it's simplest forms so I've never had any problems with the syntax

yeah same haha

@terdon compress, verbose, using gzip, force all files ending in txt and add it to foo.tgz archive

1:52 AM

Apart from always using cVVzf instead of cVzf, I think at some point vv made it more verbose, or I just was used to that from rpm or something

@Braiam yes, I know. That's what I'm saying, I've never had any problems with tar's syntax

Now, ps on the other hand...

ps ax, and nothing else...

I use ps aux

can't remember why

users?

@terdon Well, interestingly, even after looking at the man page, I ended up with something like tar -cjf - tmp/ > blah.tb2. Notice the cryptic dash in the middle. And that I finally figured out by looking at the definitions for the mc user menu, lol.

@goldilocks - = stdout

1:55 AM

One dash??

@Braiam a=all u=users x=full

@goldilocks yeah that's pretty standard

@goldilocks yeah, like join or paste and their ilk

and cat

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

1:56 AM

Okay I'z confused with -- to end switches. This is what mc has wrought.

What gets me with ps are the BSD vs Unix style options, with - or without that completely change behavior.

My current excuse anyway.

I used to use something very similar to mc in DOS. Can't remember it's name...

A! Norton Commander right?

norton commander

yup :)

1:57 AM

okey, now I know I'm surrounded by a bunch of old times D:

I was going to suggest explorer.exe

They keep working on mc all the time. 256 colors now and everything. Lasers and satellites.

People are writing skins for mc now.

@Braiam behave you brat ;)

I think there's an mc convention this year in Reno.

@goldilocks fine, you made me install it

@goldilocks in Reno? Was it Vegas last year?

1:59 AM

@Braiam you think you're surrounded by old-timers

Honolulu. My 2nd worst pet peeve on logging into a server is no skins for mc? #1 is no mc??

@strugee yep, you are not exempted

Yeah, the guy's playing around with MINIX and he calls us old timers!

@terdon mc -S xoria256 is what you want.

Lipstick on a pig and all.

            ┌─────────────────────── Warning ───────────────────────┐
            │                                                       │
            │ Unable to use 'xoria256' skin with 256 colors support │
            │              on non-256 colors terminal.              │
            │             Default skin has been loaded              │
            │                                                       │
            └───────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘

Could have sworn mine was a 256 color term

@goldilocks what's your terminal emulator?

2:07 AM

Konsole. I actually stopped using the XFCE Terminal (in KDE, lol) because of this.

I dunno if Konsole will stand alone.

apt-cache depends konsole
konsole
  Depends: kde-runtime

rxvt-256color ftw

@casey stuck in the last century, are we?

@Braiam Doesn't necessarily mean it won't run without KDE. The runtime may just have some common object files.

Hey! Who remembers Eterm?

@strugee technically rxvt-unicode tiled w/ no wm decorations :)

2:10 AM

@terdon MINIX 3! not your grandfather's MINIX! (that's what the creator said about it)

@casey smh

my primary use of X is just to tile terminals

@casey can't screen or tmux do that? or viperwm

@terdon Actually I think a lot of this has to do with the TERM variable. I do have a setup with XFCE Terminal using 256 colors. I think all of them now support that.

or terminator, c'mon guys, get on the bandwagon!

@goldilocks I used to use that (Norton Commander)

2:12 AM

thats overkill :) I'll run screen in one my terms if I need it, but I generally dont

@goldilocks good point

@casey screen is overkill but Xorg isn't?

@strugee my transparent terminals would be lost on me if I didnt have something to draw behind them :)

@slm wow. memory lane :)

2:13 AM

my most recent use for screen was an old box I needed to connect a null-modem to and realizing screen can talk serial ports

@slm My enthusiasm for computers pretty much skipped DOS and MS. It went VIC-20 -> busy with adolescence -> linux.

screen is overkill wah?

@terdon I'd be trying it out right now if I wasn't blabbering in this here chatroom

please don't kick me

@strugee can't, you're too far. I tried.

for fun today i've been watch videos that strugee sent me about systemd

2:15 AM

@slm I misinterpreted

@slm oh, the six stages one?

yeah

my 9 year old daughter was telling my wife that she learned about the 6 stages and my wife had only ever heard those stages used for getting over someone dying and was like WTF were you guys watching?

I informed her that we use it every day when talking tech and adapting to new stuff or getting users to adapt

@slm was she more or less upset when she learned it was a video about an init system?

she understood when I tied in how she felt when i swapped out Win7 for Ubuntu (wife)

:)

My daughter? No kids are oblivious and adapt to whatever I tell them is "normal"

2:18 AM

wife, you got it

@slm That's wearing the pants!

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A: Checking how many colors my terminal emulator supports

The value of $TERM does not give much information about the number of supported colors. Many terminals advertise themselves as xterm, and they can support any number of colors from just 2 to at least 256. You can query the value of each color with the OSC 4 ; c ; ? BEL control sequence. If the c...

@slm nailed it

@terdon ^

yeah I just did it in Aug/Sept.

I showed her 3 choices, mint, Ubuntu, and pclinuxos, she went for ubuntu

generally likes it, get's annoyed w/ finding things still

2:19 AM

what DE?

@Braiam thanks

btw, gnome terminal supports up to 255... which is weird

wife? She uses stock Ubuntu, doesn't really like it

i tried to push her to pclinuxos

but she wanted ubutu

kids use stock ubuntu as well

@slm any reason in particular?

i was too lazy to switch it

2:21 AM

I recommend Mint to people nowadays

it's like Ubuntu but without all the political drama

i've done this ~4 times now, 3 mints and 1 ubuntu

all my friends using mint like it

i even setup my buddies laptop with dual boot using dropbox as a sharing mechanism b/w the 2 dual boots, he likes it ans switches back and forth all te time

dual boot is mint + win 7

@Braiam You can set it, and apps will check that. TERM=xterm-256color

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@goldilocks ^ like that?

@strugee You mean the big red star that flashed subliminally post boot? That's just Texas.

@Braiam Yeep.

heh

2:24 AM

stupid xterm check...

I never got those psuedo-graphical fs browsers like mc. I had plenty of friends that loved them, but I'd rather just have a shell

I normally only need the raw commands, but sometimes laziness get the best of me..

laziness is why copy is cp :)

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@terdon ^

@casey Casey, it's a shell too. In fact, two shells too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

2:26 AM

@casey no it's not

@slm I presume you are looking for code.google.com/p/joeldotfiles/source/browse/trunk/…

I found this one: github.com/zhengkai/config/blob/master/script/256colors2.pl

is eithe preferred? I'm gonna paste the script here too

this one seems good too github.com/l0b0/xterm-color-count

@strugee whohoo, a convert!

heah + it's l0b0

2:28 AM

@Braiam P.S. Liberal use of ctrl-o is pretty critical to the experience.

@goldilocks mm... cool

funny l0b0 links back to the UL Q that's now missing it

wtf, D-Bus?

I forked it on github

@strugee context?

2:29 AM

@Braiam haha yah

xterm-color-count git:(master) ./xterm-color-count.sh
256

-_-

Terminator connects to D-Bus by default and I was wondering why a terminal emulator would possibly need the session bus

mmm? what?

it actually mentioned it right after I said that. it's used for terminator --newtab which connects to the existing instance

oh, yeah, is more efficient using the message bus system that most systems has rather than reinvent the wheel

2:32 AM

right

@slm missing what?

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thats how I manage my terminals on one monitor

the other monitor isn't so organized with browser windows cluttering things

@terdon The link he had on his script points back to the Q w/ the A that was now missing this script

@slm ah yes, but l0b0 has linked to it in a comment

@casey that's so awesome

2:35 AM

@casey Is that python on the right?

@goldilocks no

F90

whatever that is

@goldilocks Fortran 2003/2008

Thanks @strugee

@casey but wtf are you doing mixing vim and emacs?

@terdon yeah and it's a different script than the 2nd A

@goldilocks fortran

2:36 AM

Whoa. Might be my first glimpse.

fortran 90

F90

@strugee he's not is he? What makes you think vim?

@terdon upper-left

@strugee my mixing of vim and emacs is a peek into the strangeness of my mind

@casey traitor. I declare you Satan of the Church of Emacs! devil, begone!

2:37 AM

Ah, OK, I used to do that too for a while, just ran vi instead of emacs -nw when not in X and only needing a quick edit

quick, someone kick him so it's more dramatic

but in short, I've used vi/vim for the last 18 years (wow) but now use emacs quite a bit, mostly for org-mode, latex-preview and some other fun stuff

are we still whining about vim?

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@terdon I use nano for that... slinks away into the shadows

@slm There are two kinds of people in the world...

2:38 AM

I now use emacs for pretty much everything text related.

@terdon I'm getting there, but old habits die hard

@slm I assume you mean winning.

when I need a quick edit in a terminal I type vim without even thinking about it

yeh...

casey like your desktop

2:39 AM

Thanks @slm

are those windows bolted together or just bumped up next to each other?

just bumped together and I have a kwin rule to not draw frames or any decorations on them

@terdon now you're confused...w/ dreaming...

@casey The deal w/ mc for me is mostly about navigation and moving files from one directory to another. Note you can run vi or emacs from inside of it.

so they just blend together with a little bit of my background (NASA astronomy pic of the day) blending through

2:41 AM

look, whether we like vim or emacs, let's just all agree that they're better than gedit

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@casey kwin? Wow, I had thought you'd be using a tiling WM if you do everything in terminals.

or ed

ed

@goldilocks good to know. One of the useful tools I never adopted it seems :)

@casey == CMB of the future?

2:42 AM

@slm ?

laughing at ed

haha now so am I

@terdon awesome doesn't play nice with steam (or at least certain games) or I'd probably use it. I do on another machine

@casey why don't you use the mode that doesn't force tiling?

and my other monitor is all floating chromium windows and other non-tiled stuff

2:44 AM

I thought it was funny the guy that made the diagram that I posted here actually saw my A, and made an account here and then took our feedback and added ltrace to the diagram

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linux perf perf-event profiling

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A: Diagram of Linux kernel vs. performance tools?

I came across this diagram which shows exactly this. In the above you can see where tools such as strace, netstat, etc. interact with the Linux kernel's subsystems. I like this diagram because it succinctly shows where each tool latches on to the Linux kernel, which can be extremely helpful...

@terdon Terminator does have keybinding settings right? otherwise I'm screwed because of my keyboard

(no arrow keys)

@slm Forgot to start that Q&A. Truly nice.

@strugee yeah, right click=>preferences

@strugee HHKB? Thats one of the few I can think of with no arrows

poor @terdon

2:49 AM

@goldilocks Yeah I thought it was cool that he came over and saw the traffic we were driving to the site and then fixed it. Makes you feel good about ppl when they do stuff like that

@strugee <obscure public enemy joke>This is an X app right?</dubious>

laptop @strugee?

@Braiam yeah, wow, it took a while to just paste a single file. Hell, the error message actually told 'im which line had the error

@slm "start that" -> "star that"

ah, makes more sense now 8-)

I'm hoping this Q&A becomes my 100 UV'er

it got me the elusive star badge

unix.stackexchange.com/help/badges/38/…

damn strugee's got me trying to collect these obscure ones now 8-)

2:55 AM

@casey Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional2 grey no keytops edition

I don't have question badges... at all...

@terdon thanks. I'm only partway through the manpage

btw, our only guy with a reversal badge... Gilles

@goldilocks ?

@slm really? awww

Terminator X is the stage name of Norman Rogers (born August 25, 1966), a retired American DJ best known for his work with rap group Public Enemy, which he left in 1999. He also produced two solo albums, Terminator X & The Valley of the Jeep Beets (1991) and Super Bad (1994), featuring Chuck D, Sister Souljah, Kool DJ Herc, the Cold Crush Brothers, and a bass music track by the Punk Barbarians. Retirement Since retiring from the music scene in 2003, Rogers used to run an ostrich stud farm in North Carolina. However, in 2010, Terminator X returned to the recording studio. Set for rel...

2:58 AM

Yeah when we were talking about trying to get the beta badges I started paying more attention to these too

I only was trying to get the 150 days of 200 pts

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