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1:56 AM
@Caleb I was just reading your profile and went to your ohloh.net page. I just wanted to point out that you have a typo in your description there, you have the same bio as in your Unix & Linux profile but have written connoisseur as conesour on the ohloh version.
 
2:14 AM
can someone help me with this? now I need to override a new mod desition
 
slm
2:46 AM
^desition^decision^
@Braiam - I'm confused why you're asking us to assist in the U&L room for AU?
@Braiam sorry you didn't get the nom
 
@slm you know what afraid is AU of deleting useful "questions"
@slm is ok, I knew I wouldn't pass from the primaries
 
slm
yeah that is so useful
they grilled you kind of hard on the comments about you being a rising star, I think that rubbed ppl the wrong way, I knew you didn't mean it that way, but then I know you better, I thought it was more something that just didn't translate well from what you were meaning to what was understood
 
nah, I looked for it since I'm a bit aggressive with my actions... you know, the kind of shoot first, ask questions later but I always do everything with a good reason and thinking I will help out someone
 
Yeah, the rising star was strange. If I did not know you, I would have taken it the wrong way as well. Makes you sound full of yourself.
@Braiam what a horrible question!
 
@terdon is 4/-4
 
3:02 AM
@Braiam your meta post? For some reason my cool little user script that lets me see vote counts even when I don't have the rep is failing on meta.ubuntu
 
I blame that part of the "rising star" to this query data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/946/…
 
@Braiam argh! Yes, I see. The thing is that "rising star" implies that you consider yourself, well, a star. It is also often associated with young, abrasive and annoying yuppies. Basically, if someone else calls you a rising star, that's fine. Calling yourself one is kind of presumptuous.
 
slm
3:20 AM
@terdon Mine is working
 
@slm weird. Mine works on all sites except that meta ubuntu post
@slm I found an obscure bug in the SE markup preview engine, whohoo!
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Q: A bug in the markdown preview

terdonI just noticed that including code blocks in <del></del> seems to work in the preview but does not in the posted result. For example this: <del>Not code but enclosed in del tags this is code, in the same del tag </del> Is rendered like this: Not code but enclosed in del tags this is code...

 
slm
@terdon nice
 
By the way @Kiwy @slm @terdon @Braiam and others doing tag cleaning, I know I need to speak up on meta, but it isn't going to happen tonight, I really need to catch some sleep
 
@terdon that one is weird
 
I agree that is totally useless, I think it can be burninated outright
The monster tag review thread is useless, you can't review all the tags in a single thread
 
slm
3:28 AM
@Gilles - the tags are a pain to coordinate using meta, what do the other sites do?
 
@slm whatever they can...
 
slm
I started one in Dec. but it's difficult to track the status of the activity
 
@Gilles you don't need to do anything. If you choose to do so, we will all be grateful for your insights but this is one of the few sites you're not actually a mod on so you should not feel an obligation just cause you're the highest rep user!
 
slm
right I would be more then happy to lead that activity but coordinating who's doing what and where the progress on things seems tough
 
@slm On SO we have yearly or quarterly tag cleanup drives and then you have crusaders (like @Braiam here) who take the time to point out problematic tags with individual meta posts.
 
slm
3:31 AM
@terdon - perhaps someone else would be better suited to drive it then? I'm not familiar w/ this
 
@terdon SO?
 
slm
SU
i think he meant
 
@Braiam yes, SU. I keep making that mistake damit.
 
@slm meta is the right place for nontrivial stuff
you don't need meta to tell that is a meta tag
 
3:34 AM
@Gilles I normally just ask the question "$tag$ what?"
 
@terdon those cleanup drives are a bad idea: they end up being a jumble of unrelated issues with no discussion. Discussions about a tag should have a separate thread per tag or group of closely-related tag
 
I think the best approach for us would be to 1) High rep users should just go ahead and remove useless tags as they are found ( is a perfect example. 2) Less obvious cases should be addressed in tag-specific meta posts
@Gilles :) Agreed, I was just typing my previous comment when I saw this
 
@terdon I've retagged more questions than anyone else here, so the tag system here is to some extent my brainchild. I do hope we can improve on this situation.
 
@Gilles the problem with 1 post per tag, is that the community tends to get tired of it after some time the same guy bringing some discussion
 
@Braiam but with a single thread, exactly the same thing happens, only worse because there's no way to filter further discussion on an issue you don't care about vs a discussion about a new tag
 
3:37 AM
between the sword and the rock isn't it...
 
In any case, especially on this site which is still kind of small, there will only be around 10 people or so who will be interested. I think that tag- (or tag group) specific questions would work fine for now.
 
not to derail the tag discussion (he said and proceeded to do exactly that), but since we were talking about Ubuntu earlier, I'd just like to go on the record and say that the Hardy Heron had the greatest default wallpaper of all time, and Ubuntu has basically declined ever since that.
 
@strugee any time kid :P
 
heh
 
Wow, way to kill a constructive conversation about tagging @strugee :P
 
3:52 AM
@terdon that's without trying... I'm afraid when @strugee will try
 
@strugee Ubuntu was good (even though Gnome wasn't the best choice of DE — but KDE did go through a rough period about that time) until they pushed Unity onto an unwilling world
 
@Gilles yeah, Ubuntu was great when it first came out. Started going down hill from the moment they put the window controls on the left hand side...
@slm why did you recommend running the cronjob manually instead of sudo updatedb here?
 
anyone noticed the change of color of the flags/suggested edit warnings?
 
slm
yeah
 
@Braiam the problem is that I read the backlogs. in fact I used to (read: until yesterday) straight up read the chat to catch up. I don't do that now because I don't have time to do it here and in the DMZ, since joining yesterday. but this time I clicked on one of the starred chats and it all went downhill.
and besides, you all were clearly wrapping up :P
 
3:58 AM
meh, Gilles noticed
 
slm
@terdon I'm not sure if the other distros do this but the script there renices it so that it isn't so taxing on the system
 
5
Q: More consistent and contrasted color scheme for the top bar indicators

GillesThe now unified color scheme for the suggested edit indicator and the moderator/10k flag indicator is: red #800000 for suggested edits ; orange #fe7a15 for flags ; light blue #1e7ecc for the moderator inbox. I find the contrast of the suggested edit indicator poor. (It's the old color scheme ...

 
@slm ah, fair enough, and yes, the script on my debian uses ionice
 
I could never quite figure out what triggered that indicator to appear
 
slm
@terdon did it confuse you?
 
4:02 AM
@strugee which?
 
@Braiam the one that just changed. next to the review button
 
slm
I agree w/ gilles those colors are pretty lousy
 
@slm well, if it weren't your answer I'd have left a (mistaken as it turns out) comment that using updatedb is simpler but no, it's not confusing. And I love the fact that you gave a mini intro for locate, that's very useful.
 
I was actually confused when the change came down...
 
slm
@Braiam me too
I find it annoying that they keep futzing w/ this
@terdon yeah context in answers is a pet peeve of mind if you hadn't notice by now 8-)
 
4:07 AM
@slm @Braiam when did it change? I only noticed about half an hour ago that the colors were different.
 
slm
yesterday
is when i noticed
 
@slm no, really? :)
@slm ouch, I'm clearly not paying attention.
 
slm
@terdon .........
those flags are generally not there that long on this site
 
@slm Joking aside that's the main reason I tend to upvote your answers.
 
slm
except for the orange and yellow while I wait for some one else to do a review of them so they go away
 
4:09 AM
Well, that and that they usually solve the problem of course.
@slm really? Got your shiny badges and are backing off to let the little guys play?
 
slm
@terdon appreciate it
@terdon No even after I review them they still stay up there for me, don't you guys see a orange 2 up there now?
 
@slm oh, the flags, yes. I thought you meant the edits
 
slm
My main projects are to catch Gilles by number of A's and to put ~15k of rep buffer b/w me and steph
when you're 1st every week in rep it's hard not to keep that up
 
Heh, I imagine
My current goal is to replace ChrisDown and take my place on the first line. I can live with fourth. For now.
(anyway, I'm going to have to)
 
I find it hilarious that I'm the only one who said "because the gamification worked on me" in my getting to know you answer, and yet I'm the least hooked of all the regulars
 
4:22 AM
heh...
 
@strugee hooked? Who's hooked? I can stop any time I want to!
 
what about now? (being sadistic)
 
Plus both @slm and I have passed the 20k mark (well, he has really passed it) so we have nothing else to look forward to. No new privileges or perks. This kind of game is all we have left to do with our rep
@Braiam I don't want to stop now. I said I can stop whenever I _want. _
In case you were wondering, that's the same argument I use about cigarettes and coffee :)
 
@terdon you could emulate Jon Skeet and create a separate account
he has 3 IIRC
 
@strugee he's done that?
 
4:26 AM
all with full badges, all at the top of SO
 
I actually have a separate account but only use it to test things.
 
weirdly enough I test stuff in my main account...
for some reason stuff I want to test are not rep based :/
 
@Braiam I have a sock puppet I used to test minimal rep for chat and how messages get sent, as in how long it takes for them to be delivered, if they get deleted from my inbox when the poster deletes the comment and that kind of stuff.
@strugee who? I don't see anything obvious. What's the 2nd account's name?
 
@terdon ah, I can't find it. I may have been thinking of the bear on security.se that Gilles mentioned a couple months back.
 
slm
4:50 AM
@terdon The site is my cigarretes
I've thought of starting another account
only to see if I could get it to the 50k level along with the other one
but then i decide against it since it seems counter productive to me, better to double down on the one account
 
@slm rep limit
doubling down only works to a point
 
slm
right, i can regularly get this account to 275, 305 and 320 are some of my highs
 
ah
gotta have a backlog of As I suppose
 
slm
once you get reg to 275 you're working w/o any UV's juice
no i write all my answers on the fly
 
no I meant a historical base
like Gilles
 
slm
4:56 AM
you mean they work for you day to day?
 
sorry, wording was terrible
ya, IIUC what youre saying
 
slm
i could get to that level even before, it has gotten progressively easier w/ more A's behind me
i meant doubling only in the sense that you could work 2 accounts instead of one to get 400 vs. 200
we don't have enough volume of Q's to do it here IMO
so you'd have to have a lot of material prepared
 
 
2 hours later…
7:12 AM
Morning
 
 
1 hour later…
8:14 AM
Hello !
back at work where my only work is to be on unix & lniux stack exchange because my boss does not give me things to do,
when I think that they paid probably more than 5000€ to hire me each month I really understand why there is company in financial difficulties
 
Hi.
 
@Kiwy What is your job?
 
I'm suppose to be a system engineer but I'm more aty the position of do what your ask for and it can be anything, last month I develop a web app -.-"
Can someone do something about this unix.stackexchange.com/questions/117002/…
 
8:40 AM
@Kiwy I can't understand the question
 
well I was speaking about the fact he put's his email inside the question :D
@JennyD
 
@Kiwy Yeah, that too
 
@JennyD and also he cross post with askUbuntu
 
@Kiwy I think it should be closed on AU since it's not specific to Ubuntu
(also, I really don't see the point of having an entire separate site for one distro, but...)
 
@JennyD it's closed because unclear which in fact make perfect sense as it's really unclear indeed :D
@JennyD money money money
 
8:45 AM
@Kiwy Well, if they do respond to your comments with a clarification we might be able to help them... so I'd like to give them that chance before closing.
 
@JennyD I fear that putting your email inside the question means that you will probably never connect ever again :-(
 
@Kiwy Good point. Also, putting it on hold means that if they do return and fix the question it can get reopened. So I'll VTC.
 
8:59 AM
@Kiwy I know what you mean. That's not the ideal sort of job...
 
@FaheemMitha yeah definitely boring
 
@Kiwy Well, I would have thought stressful and unpredictable.
Possibly also low-status? Those kinds of jobs where you might be asked to do anything are usually not the best kind. I had a job like that once. It was quite bad.
 
@FaheemMitha Well yes boring and unpredictable and yes in the end stressful because you never know what you're going to do even in the afternoon
 
@Kiwy Right. I hope they pay you reasonably at least.
 
@FaheemMitha Boring and stressful are not mutually exclusive. My first job ever was sitting at the checkout of a grocery store. It was boring, unpredictable and stressful and I learned a lot from it.
 
9:12 AM
@JennyD I can agree with boring, unpredictable and stressful. What kind of things did you learn from that job?
 
@FaheemMitha :D for the effective time of work a day I'm probably one of the best payed employee I will never met
 
@Kiwy Ok. If they don't work you to death, find other productive things to do. Can you look for other work in your organization to do (for extra credit) or is that not an option?
 
@FaheemMitha How to handle being yelled at. How to focus on the urgent problem (i.e. the customer right in front of me) even when there is a long queue of things to be done. How to not let my own mood affect how I treat customers. Also how to use the numeric keypad without looking, this was before bar code readers :-)
Oh, and how to handle being yelled at for stuff I couldn't fix without getting too unhappy.
 
@FaheemMitha I do learn pyhton, i'm hanging raound on SE to learn stuff and as I'm a contractor and only here for 4 months and it's a huge company i cannot really help in anything because I don't know the teams I don't know how they work and they are not explaining it, each time I ask something I have the bad feeling of bothering my colleague I hate this job :D
@JennyD yes I'd rather be behind a cash register than behind my keyboard at the moment :D
 
@Kiwy That is a really bad situation. Only thing you can do in it is what you are doing, see it as a time to study on your own while getting paid by the customer :-)
 
9:17 AM
@JennyD Yes, that all does sound quite educational. Not necessarily in a good way. But I have learned from experience that getting beat up can be good for one, as long as you can handle it and don't have a nervous collapse. Imparts a certain toughness.
@Kiwy It sounds like you are making the best of a bad situation, so good for you.
I've been in plenty of bad situations. It is usually a good idea to do what one can in these situations instead of subsiding into a coma. It can make a big difference in the end.
 
@FaheemMitha I think that most people will be the better for some experience in that kind of menial job. It also has made me a lot more careful to treat cashiers, waiters etc well because I know how many will just treat them as subhuman.
 
Life is full of bad situations, so it is good to get practice in dealing with them.
 
@FaheemMitha Exactly
 
@JennyD I agree totally. People think those kinds of job are easy. They are so wrong.
I've done low level teaching as a grad student. Those jobs have some of the same qualities.
 
@FaheemMitha and @JennyD yin yang in every good things there bad things things and the contrary :D I try to take the best of the cureent situation as usual, I'm not the kind of personn that fall into depression easily (hopefully for me in a way)
 
9:21 AM
@Kiwy Yes, 4 months is not really enough time to get involved in anything. I suppose the first question to ask is whether you want to stick around. If you do, you could ask around, see if people need help. Granted, it doesn't sound like the best situation.
@Kiwy Yes I agree. It is good you feel that way. Just make sure your subconcious agrees. :-)
 
@FaheemMitha I'm in a really strange team, first of all they are not native english so they speak most of the time ( aka when I'm not speaking with them) in in a language I do not speak which make my integration to the team really hard also
 
@Kiwy I see. What country is this?
 
@FaheemMitha north of belgium
 
I see you list your location as France.
 
@FaheemMitha My heart belong there :D
 
9:25 AM
@Kiwy you mean north belgium?
So they speak Belgian? And you are French?
 
@FaheemMitha i'm french south of Belgium speaks French and north Dutch
and a small area speaks german
 
@Kiwy Ok, so your colleagues speak Dutch then? You guys don't have English in common?
 
@FaheemMitha but still I'm working with people who speak Dutch and they do almost nothing to make me feel comfortable, for 4 months I never ever had a coffee break with them.
We share english but as I'm the only one who speaks French, they almost always speaks in Dutch the only exception is when they want to ask me something or they are in the same meeting room as me
 
@Kiwy Yes, that doesn't sound nice. But people will be people.
Europeans are supposedly very racist, but I would have expected they would be nicer among themselves.
 
@FaheemMitha I don't know if we are racist (I'm personally not) but Flamish (Belgium form north) are not really friendly with anybody...
 
9:31 AM
@Kiwy Oh, that's too bad. I wasn't suggest all Europeans are racist, obviously.
 
@FaheemMitha and I think today the most developed racism in Europe is the one from Eastern european country because of the low work price
 
@Kiwy I have no idea, but you might be right.
 
let's go for my daily hour of work bahc in a while.
too bad My bss is in a meeting I can't speak with him
 
@Kiwy Talk to you later.
 
@FaheemMitha back already :D I can't work my boss is not available
 
9:36 AM
@Kiwy Oh, that is too bad. So you are spending time learning Python?
 
@FaheemMitha Well I'm trying specially for scripting more than developping but well it seems to be powerfull and more more and more use, I hope it will one day replace that good old python :D
*good old perl *
I hate perl ^_^
 
@Kiwy Yes, I don't like perl either. There are other things you could learn which might be useful.
 
9:51 AM
@FaheemMitha I'm open to suggestion ^_^
 
@Kiwy Are you familiar with relational databases, specifically PostgreSQL? It's not glamorous but can be very useful if you are trying to organize and manipulate data.
Another obvious thing to learn is distributed version control. Git or mercurial these days.
 
@FaheemMitha I'm really aware of how to use relationnal db and I used to work a lot with Oracle, and make some tunning on SQL batch processing to optimize things, but I have to confess that postgreSQL is a DB I instazlled one and with so much trouble that I finally give up... (but I was young and fullish )
 
@Kiwy If you already know db, then pg shouldn't be extra work.
Also, basic math skills can sometimes be useful, though it depends on the job.
sysadmin type work, probably not
 
^^ I heard it's try to be oracle synthax compliant ?
 
@Kiwy I don't know, but I doubt it.
PG on Linux is trivial to install. I assume you were trying to install on Win?
 
10:07 AM
@FaheemMitha no on CentOS but still I had so much issue to connect my product to it to install the schema and to use that I even install postgresqlmyadmin
 
@Kiwy Oh, Ok. No idea, but the dba.sx site is quite helpful. And I recommend using psql.
 
just to install a local DB with one schema :D but once again I was young and I was not a sysadmin but a developer :D
 
Basic statistics is also something that can occasionally come in useful, depends on the work.
 
@FaheemMitha well I have the very basics in it but if i need to do some right now I will to thing about it :D
 
@Kiwy The basics in what? Statistics?
 
10:16 AM
@FaheemMitha yes; I have a degree in computing and We have to learn a bit of, I see you're also active on LaTEx SE
that's something I'd like to learn
 
@Kiwy Yes, I use LaTeX. Also a very good thing to learn, if you don't know it already.
 
@FaheemMitha I like laTeX but I'm not good at it; I usually cheat by using Lyx
 
@FaheemMitha I see how powerfull it can be but I never had the opportunity to use it @JennyD I do the same for the only time I used it :D
 
@JennyD Well, it needs practice. Depends what level you are talking about. LaTeX programming is fairly formidable. Just basic LaTeX usage with emacs and auctex is no big deal.
@Kiwy Well, this might be a good time to practice. Start small. :-)
Ok, I'm off. Take care, guys.
 
@FaheemMitha see you
 
10:21 AM
@FaheemMitha waves
 
 
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12:38 PM
To the great king of moderation, I just flag a question as duplicate and I might mistaken
 
1:30 PM
@slm thanks for the two great tools :-) I will love them
 
Anyone here?
Meh! So Silence here
 
-1
Q: removing spaces from first column

user61398My input file has positions in first columun with different number of spaces(or no space) 16504 16516 1650811 16520 1651 16524 16516111 16528 165204 16532 I need to get an output file where fist column has no spaces at all, while keeping secon...

So seemingly user61398 has left the building after a 'Thanks' comment on Gnouc's answer. After the confusion, this appears to have just been about leading space. Feeling a little trolled on this one.
 
slm
1:48 PM
@Graeme Yeah it happens from time to time. In the future we might just want to close it as unclear.
 
@slm I do agree indeed
Also
0
Q: initrd missing while running kernel on QEMU

AshFailed to execute /init Kernel panic - not syncing: no init found. Try passing init=option to kernel.

I think the OP will never answer
 
slm
I voted to close it, sometimes it's not worth our time to help. l
 
I tend to try, but in this case I give up quickly
 
I just don't get all the changed numbers in the question, was this all typo errors. A deliberate troll? I think some people think we all have psychic powers :)
 
slm
@Kiwy those are tricky Q's to A's b/c they require a lot of determination by the answerer. You either have to keep directing the OP w/ leading Q's or setup your own qemu and try and replicate what they're doing.
 
1:53 PM
@Graeme I have ask some question, and when I read them now, I really wondered what I wanted to do or ask, but I was working so hard in one thing that I couldn't imagine that someone
can't understand
 
slm
@Graeme Yeah I saw you edited it I tried but wasn't sure what those numbers even were in the output
@Graeme - I even told him how to edit, b/c it can be a little confusing the first time
Also on basic stuff like that I typically look hard for a dup 1st, since the topic isn't really of any value to the site or us long term.
 
@slm and @Graeme I alwaysuse the [edit] link in comment when a new OP ask something but most of the time it's like people does think they explain enought while they don't, but good question comes with a bit of experience.
 
Yeah, I see that a lot, people try to update in in comments etc. But this time I think the guy just got what he was looking and left leaving everyone still guessing.
 
slm
ah bersh is going to try an ascend the qemu Q
@Graeme - yes that's my read on it as well
 
@slm and @Graeme about this unix.stackexchange.com/a/116972/53092
/bin/cd ?
 
slm
1:58 PM
If you really want to learn stuff try and pick one of the harder Q's such as this one: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/117044/…, or the ones w/ a bounty
/bin/cd is part of bash
 
I try it but in fact I don't really understand the problem on this uestion @slm
 
slm
$ more /bin/cd
#!/bin/sh
builtin cd "$@"
 
^^ @slm thank I do not have my linux at hand
 
I don't have it. What is the point though, you have to source it for it to work.
And why the bang line?
 
@Graeme To make it a shell script
 
slm
2:04 PM
@Graeme - it's likely there to protect /bin/cd for some backward compatible situation before cd was a builtin
 
To make a shell script that doesn't do anything... AFAIK
 
slm
it does something, it calls the builtin
 
so no interest
 
slm
if you write s/w this is similar to wrapping a function
 
I have a coktail at work, I'm going to drink beer offer by my company during working hours isn't that nice ?
see you :)
 
slm
2:05 PM
crazy
 
Enjoy!
 
thank you
 
@slm, I'm still confused. 1. I didn't think cd could even work as a binary and 2. executing the above surely only changes the PWD in the child process which then promptly ends...
 
slm
The cd command, also known as chdir (change directory), is a command-line OS shell command used to change the current working directory in operating systems such as Unix, DOS, OS/2, AmigaOS (where if a bare path is given, cd is implied), Windows, and Linux. It is also available for use in shell scripts and batch files. The system call that effects the command in most operating systems is chdir(2) that is defined by POSIX. Usage A directory is a logical section of a file system used to hold files. Directories may also contain other directories. The cd command can be used to change into a...
whereas on Unix systems cd calls the chdir() POSIX C function. This means that when the command is executed, no new process is created to migrate to the other directory as is the case with other commands such as ls. Instead, the shell itself executes this command.
This is because, when a new process is created, child process inherits the directory in which the parent process was created. If the cd command inherits the parent process' directory, then the objective of the command cd will never be achieved.
@Graeme - did that help?
 
Not really, no. Neither does man chdir. It only works if used in the same process
 
slm
2:20 PM
I believe when the process is executed by bash (/bin/cd) it can run it in it's own space vs. forking
0
Q: how to change directory using exec command from C program?

jamesI have to change working directory from my C program. For this I have used the following command: execl("/bin/cd","cd","..",(char*)0); but this command is not changing the directory? Is anything wrong in this command or is there any other way to change working directory from C program?

4
Q: Using the exec() family to run the "cd" command

goofyI know that cd is a shell built-in ,and I can run it by using system(). But is that possible to run the cd command by the exec() family, like execvp()? Edit: And I just noticed that system("cd") is also meaningless。Thanks for the help of everyone.

 
Pretty much backs up what I said already. This makes sense though -
>on most systems /bin/cd does not exists; on the very very few systems that have it, it changes the current directory and then spawns a child shell process;
 
slm
I have a hunch that it's how jlliagre states in his A. Bash exec's /bin/cd sees that it was successul (returns status 0) so then Bash set's it's own CWD to that path.
@Graeme - yes your hunch would be correct, that a child proc cannot change the parent's cwd
 
@slm you probably can, but you need root access and time! That /bin/cd script is an odd one though, does it work for you?
 
slm
nope
 
LOL if idoesn't work what's the point ?
 
slm
2:35 PM
as you figured, the #!/bin/sh negates it
 
@slm what if your using sh instaed of bash ?
 
slm
it's probably here b/c of this: Note: All POSIX compliant OSes must provide an independent cd executable. This is at least the case with Solaris, AIX, HP-UX and Mac OS/X.
 
or maybe it does not change anything ?
 
slm
no b/c /bin/sh doesn't have builtins
 
ok,
 
2:37 PM
But the bang line has #!/bin/sh
!
 
slm
we're walking in someone elses footsteps
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Q: What is the point of the `cd` external command?

kojiroAs referenced in this fine answer, POSIX systems have an external binary cd in addition to the shell builtin. On OS X 10.8 it's /usr/bin/cd. You can't use it like the builtin cd since it exits immediately after changing its own working directory. What purpose does it serve?

 
Stephane always shows complete answer that's impressive
 
slm
Also, the cd command changes directories but has other side effects: it returns an exit status that helps determine whether you're able to chdir() to that directory or not, and outputs a useful error message explaining why you can't chdir() when you can't.
 
Yep, that nails it. I figured he would know
 
slm
it's as I said, it's used as a test
so the exit status is what's important
@Kiwy yes he has very deep knowledge on standards
just keep digging in the U&L site, much of what can be asked already has
i encourage you to UV those Q&A's too, that helps bring them to the top
you have 40 votes a day so use them up, esp. on things like this!
 
2:48 PM
@slm in my opinion what @terdon tries by making canonical question should become a wiki that uses the very goog question and format it as a wiki to avoid question ask dozens of time
@slm I do edit your answer unix.stackexchange.com/a/116972/53092 because in fact it's not what it does you describe but what it is :-)
 
slm
3:07 PM
@Kiwy - thanks, I expanded that section.
 
@slm well it wasn't that big but with a that complete answer it deserve top be perfect :-) Nice edit though
@slm I just find this from your profile pyropus.ca./personal/writings/… this is awasome explanation why everybody with less than 20 reputations is not force to read this before asking something ?
 
what does mean

chcon -R -t httpd_sys_content_t [path]


chcon -R -t httpd_sys_rw_content_t [path]

I was using these lines to enable access the new svn repository I have created, but yesterday, on other server that close the access to the website
I was following the indication in this link, it always work fine for me
 
3:23 PM
@EmilioGort absolutly no clue and when I don't know I do this explainshell.com/…
 
wow...thanks, good link
 
though it will not answer completly it can be very handy to determine what a command line does
 
yes...
i would like to know what is
httpd_sys_...
I know that is relate with apache bu how to know what does mean every sentence
 
it seems to be the labeled use by selinux to set on website ressources
maybe selinux active on this server and not on the other ?
@EmilioGort from http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=273768 I would say only allow rw to httpd
> SELinux only allows write acces for httpd on files and directories labeled 'httpd_sys_rw_content_t'.
 
for example the difference betwen httpd_sys_content_t and httpd_sys_rw_content_t, what other types exist
fine
 
3:30 PM
debian does not have /bin/cd or /usr/bin/cd.
 
@FaheemMitha well maybe debian is deviant ?
poxixly deviant :D
 
sorry I'm working on centos 6.4
 
Hey community I have a question for you, what OP stands for ?
 
3:45 PM
context?
in forums, original poster
in games, overpowered
 
@casey ORIGINAL POSTER
was th eanswer i was looking for¨
soory for the capslock
I couldn't find the meaning of this two letters
 
@Kiwy Dunno. Just an observation.
 
@FaheemMitha My very recent CentOS doesn't have it either
 
@JennyD Ah, I wonder what the rationale for including or excluding it is. For those who have it, what package is it contained in?
BTW, I'd just (again) like to point out the existence of the "getting to know you" question on meta.unix.sx, in case anyone here feels like adding an answer. There seem to be a few people here in chat recently.
 
@FaheemMitha I'd guess that it's a matter of phasing it out
@FaheemMitha I've got it open in a tab and will answer it Real Soon Now :-)
 
4:00 PM
@JennyD Perhaps. I wonder if Debian ever had it. I never noticed.
 
@FaheemMitha MacOS X does, and it's a shell script there too. I'm booting a suse box now just to check...
 
@JennyD Ok. Good. I think some people don't want to answer because they don't want information about themselves out there. I can sympathize. I don't use social media for that reason. Plus it is dominated by cesspools like Facebook.
@JennyD Ok.
 
@FaheemMitha I do have some information, including an email address, in my profile
 
@JennyD So I see. Most people don't post their email address publicly on SE, though sometimes it is just a click or two away.
 
@FaheemMitha No /usr/bin/cd or /bin/cd on a recent SLES.
on Solaris 10 it's the shell script.
@FaheemMitha It's my work address, which has good spam filters.
 
4:05 PM
@JennyD Ok.
@JennyD Spam filters are good. :-)
 
@JennyD @FaheemMitha I personally post both my personnal website and my email and so far I don't receive that much spam
 
@Kiwy You're lucky. Don't count on it. A major source of spam for me is biomedical. The regular spam filters don't seem to code with it well.
 
well also this personnal email is on my own dowmain so I don't receive that much spam on any adress I own
 
4:29 PM
@Kiwy thanks for answering the question. I took the liberty of doing some editing.
 
4:48 PM
@Kiwy you should still consider yourself lucky. I've been running a personal domain with mail for a few people since 1998 and on my personal email the filter takes out a ton of mail every day and still a few spam get through. Without the filter I used to get on the order of 100 spam a day.
 
@casey What is your filter implementation?
 
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