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slm
12:00 PM
@terdon let me look
Why does the spam Q only have 2 close votes?
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Q: How to install chrome on Ubuntu

utkarsh is an ASSHOLEHow to install Google Chrome on Ubuntu ? Could you provide complete instruction ?

Don't we have more ppl around to close this? It's -8 now
 
you you are right!
@slm what nonsense? why only ME?\
 
slm
I'd just ignore it, we've all gotten our fair share.
@terdon, not this one?
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Q: How do I run 32-bit programs on a 64-bit Ubuntu?

GillesI have a 64-bit (amd64 a.k.a. x86_64) Debian or Ubuntu installation. I need to run 32-bit (i386/i686) programs occasionally, or to compile programs for a 32-bit system. How can I do this with a minimum of fuss? Bonus: what if I want to run or test with an older or newer release of the distributi...

 
12:15 PM
@slm I did vote after you did but it is not actually off topic or SPAM. It's just asked by a troll so I thought flagging for mod attention makes more sense.
 
@terdon I don't think I've answered anything like that.
 
@slm yes, that one's perfect. Let's upvote warl0ck's answer though, that's the modern way of doing it.
@FaheemMitha OK, I thought you had at some point.
 
Unless you are thinking of wheezy, wheezy uses multiarch, so it is more straightforward. I think I did edit a answer by @slm which was related to this. but might not be easy to find.
 
The Q that @slm found seems perfect. I'm closing the other one as a dupe
 
@terdon That is out of date for current stable.
The warl0ck answer is up to date, so I guess that is Ok. Someone should mark the gilles answer as dated.
 
12:19 PM
is that installing 32 bit programs on 64 bit os?
 
slm
@FaheemMitha warlocks is out of date too?
 
@FaheemMitha read the 2nd answer. That one should work (though it should also mention dpkg --add-architecture
 
@slm It is?
 
@AvinashRaj yes
 
slm
@FaheemMitha that was a Q by me
 
12:20 PM
@terdon there is no dpkg --add-architecture in that answer
 
@AvinashRaj yes, that's why I said it should mention it
 
He forgot to say you need to enable the arch. with dpkg-architecture or whatever
 
slm
I don't understand how you do 32 vs. 64 on debian. @terdon you might be thinking of the acrobat reader Q we recently cleaned up
 
@slm What was?
 
In Ubuntu 12.04 there is no dpkg --add-architecture option
 
slm
12:21 PM
Is warlocks A correct?
 
so you have to manually add i386 architecture
 
@slm Correct but incomplete.
you have to add the i386 arch.
 
slm
What about Gilles A?
@FaheemMitha oh yeah, I forgot about adding the arch, you and Braiam went over this w/ me before, it was on some Q/A too, wasn't that the acrobat one?
 
For Ubuntu 12.04 sudo dpkg --foreign-architecture i386
 
I just edited warlock's answer to include dpkg --add-architecture
 
12:23 PM
@slm You can still use a chroot. But it is no longer necessary. The first part is out of date
 
@AvinashRaj ah, thanks, editing now
 
plz add for 12.04 also
 
Someone could add something at the top of Gilles answer saying that this is for pre-multiarch releases of Ubuntu/Debian.
 
@AvinashRaj ?
@FaheemMitha I left him a comment, I'm sure he will.
 
in May 2011, I guess wheezy had not been released.
 
12:24 PM
@terdon sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 command won't work on 12.04
 
@AvinashRaj what will?
 
sudo dpkg --foreign-architecture i386
 
@AvinashRaj I didn't know there were variants of this command. Is this documented somewhere?
 
plz wait
 
@AvinashRaj yes, that's why I added dpkg --foreign-architecture i386 are you saying there is a third option?
 
12:31 PM
in that dpkg version installed in Ubuntu 12.04 don't had the option --add-architecture
 
@AvinashRaj yes, but you said that dpkg --foreign-architecture i386 works right?
Does that work for ALL Ubuntu >=11.04 ?
Basically, @AvinashRaj is this answer correct?
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A: How do I run 32-bit programs on a 64-bit Ubuntu?

warl0ckSince Ubuntu 11.04 (natty) and Debian 7.0 (wheezy) introduced multiarch support, 32-bit and 64-bit libraries can coexist on one system. To install a 32-bit library libXX, first add the 23bit architecture to your system: For Ubuntu: sudo dpkg --foreign-architecture i386 And for Debian: sudo d...

 
@terdon Someone should probably test it.
 
i can't able to query my answers
 
I found this:
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Q: Ubuntu : dpkg --add-architecture i386 throwing error --add-architecture unknown option

nerdiplayboyI want to enable extra architecture (of 32-bit) in my 64 bit machine . I did dpkg --print-architecture to know the already known architecture i.e.amd64 . After that I did dpkg --print--foreign-architectures and got the result as i386(I want to enable this) . But when i typed dpkg --add-architectu...

To add an extra architecture (in Debian from dpkg 1.16.2 onwards):

dpkg --add-architecture <arch>
Note that the Ubuntu dpkg in natty (1.16.0~ubuntu7 (reports 1.15.8.10)), oneiric and precise (1.16.1.2ubuntu7) uses a different syntax:

echo "foreign-architecture armhf" > /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/architectures
 
@FaheemMitha yes your'e correct
 
12:39 PM
I think that covers it. I suggest you quote that page.
 
While answering a question, op says that there is no /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/architectures file.But instead of this he had the file /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
 
I'm confused. Could one of you just edit the answer? I can never remember the damn names of Ubuntu and how they relate to version numbers.
 
@terdon Doing so now.
 
@FaheemMitha Cool, thanks
I'll add this to the list of canonical ones on meta
 
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/105778/have-you-seen-this-cat
considering this question is the only which use the tag [tag:amusements] can we consider this tag is a meta tag ?
 
12:44 PM
@terdon Actually, now I'm confused too.
echo "foreign-architecture armhf" > /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/architectures doesn't agree with what others are saying.
 
@Kiwy no, a meta tag is not one that is not often used, it is a tag that is meaningless unless combined with another tag. Amusements seems perfectly reasonable to me.
 
And I can't easily test this. I don't use Ubuntu.
 
@FaheemMitha yeah, me neither. @AvinashRaj help?
 
Can someone maybe test this and report back?
 
well I personnaly find amusing to play code in C
 
12:45 PM
I think the Debian answer is correct. The Ubuntu thing needs to be checked. But someone will need to have those versions installed.
The sudo dpkg --foreign-architecture i386 may be correct for Ubuntu.
 
@terdon what is or is not amusing is really subjective no ? For example this morning someone ask something to install windows 95 on dosbox on rasbian I would consider that as amusements
 
Actually the answer I'm looking at is by @AvinashRaj and says
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A: Ubuntu : dpkg --add-architecture i386 throwing error --add-architecture unknown option

Avinash RajThere is no /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/architectures file in Ubuntu 12.04.So the below command will works, echo "foreign-architecture i386" > /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch OR sudo dpkg --foreign-architecture i386

The debian howto says
Note that the Ubuntu dpkg in natty (1.16.0~ubuntu7 (reports 1.15.8.10)), oneiric and precise (1.16.1.2ubuntu7) uses a different syntax:
so maybe either of these two commands will work for natty, oneiric and precise.
 
@Kiwy yes, but amusements will tend to refer to things like cow powers or fortunes and the like. Classic *NIX games
 
can someone verify that?
 
Cool, @Gilles edited his A
@Kiwy there is a difference between amusements and amusing, all amusements are amusing but not all that is amusing is an amusement.
 
12:51 PM
@AvinashRaj Do you have those versions of Ubuntu to check with?
 
@terdon yep ok I guess you're right
 
@FaheemMitha no
 
@terdon shall i edit based on my best guess?
 
@AmithKK you are assuming we are users of AU (I am and have voted, but not everyone is)
@FaheemMitha which A? Warlock's?
 
12:56 PM
@terdon Yes.
 
@terdon Yes, I'm assuming that many of you are since :)
 
@AmithKK Some. Probably not all.
What rep do you need to vote?
 
@FaheemMitha 150
 
@AmithKK bad assumption, the two sites are VERY different. Plus, we already get messages in our inboxes, we really really don't need candidates coming in to random chat rooms and spamming us
 
12:58 PM
@AvinashRaj Not especially helpful. Probably the best thing is for someone to test. I'm reluctant to add possible misinformation.
 
I know that. :D
 
Good luck and all but please don't act like a real world politician doing door to door vote grabbiung :)
 
xD lol
 
Just so you know, if I had not already voted, this would have certainly not have made me vote for you
 
Wait, everyone with 150 rep on a se site will get a ping on elections for that site?
@terdon np.
 
12:59 PM
yeah...
 
Yes damn it. Twice or more times. Seriously, don't go spamming random chat rooms. Plus, most of us here have been using Linux since way before Ubuntu and have a very strong dislike for UBuntu
Not even @Braiam uses Ubuntu as his main OS and he's actually a candidate! :)
ALthough, I have to admit I did love Ubuntu when it first came out.
 
Well.. I'm not much of a fan of Unity either. I'm sticking with XFCE now :)
 
@AmithKK good man!
 
And Ubuntu is what brought me to the linux world
Damn the 10.04 theme was eyecatching
 
Yeah, fair enough. It is a great distro for newbies, no arguments there. It is just progressively becoming less and less of a Linux
 
1:01 PM
most people hates of Ubuntu is either, hates of Unity or hates of the latest philosophy
 
App store! Come on!
 
Yeah, commercial orientation does that to you :)
If i'd change one thing..
It would be the packaging system
I mean that thing... er... sucks.
 
Ubuntu still have a really impressive hardware support and the things I hate the most about it is the fact they develop theire own envirronement instead of using the good project (wayland to noame only one)
 
DPKG IS AWESOMESAUCE!
 
@Braiam F$$$$ Yeahhh
 
1:03 PM
It's harder to package than to code :P (Although I did pick it up)
 
Can't blame Ubuntu for that, that's all Debian. By the way, try using RPM for a while and then complain about .deb :) (damn I hope @slm didn't see that)
 
Wow.. the questions you get from new users are actually quite good.
 
@Kiwy you can say fuck.
See? I just did.
 
What's your secret? xD
 
@terdon but, but... think of the children ;)
 
1:07 PM
Fuck'em
;)
 
We children know how to curse better than adults ;)
 
@AmithKK that's what you think, we just don't do it around you is all ;)
 
Fine. :P
 
@AmithKK you forget that we've all been 13. What, do you think you'll magically forget how to swear when you reach 18?
Nah, seriously, profanity should be avoided on the main site, and we should not be using it excessively or anything but there is no rule against it in chat. This has also been discussed on meta.
Oh, and using it against someone is a definite no no.
 
Hah!
Facebook now shows which admin posted on a page :P
xD
Goodbye guys.. and good luck!
ttyl sometimes maybe
 
1:11 PM
mm... that inode Q' I bet is some posix weirdness
 
@Braiam yeah, that is strange
Of course, the book was apparently released in 1986 so perhaps at that time it took a few minutes for the file to be matched to its inode :P
 
1:38 PM
@terdon In my opinion it falls into the unexpected behavior that nobody ever think of because it's legacy and nobody cares
 
I doubt nobody cares, this community loves niche questions like that
 
@terdon The niche questions are why I'm in U/L at all
 
@JennyD yeah, you and many others.
 
I started out in Serverfault and that's where I still spend most of my time. Here I get to dig into the innards of unix in a way I don't do very often professionally anymore.
 
1:59 PM
@JennyD yes, I've seen you're a sysadmin. We get a lot of admins here letting their hair down and remembering how to use the command line :)
 
@terdon "remembering"? If they need help remembering they are no longer sysadmins!
grmble kids these days, gettoffmylawn, etc
 
@JennyD heh, I was just trying to get a rise out of you :)
You know I've actually come up against a sysadmin who administers the IT network of a scientific lab and refuses to touch *nix! Grrr...
 
@terdon I don't understand how anyone could want to spend their days clicking in dialog boxes...
Of course, I'm currently spending my time having my phone placed on the spacebar in order to answer "y" on fsck because someone used the commandline without thinking first.
See, resizing the volume smaller without doing resize2fs first is a really bad idea.
 
Ah, the joys of sysadmin. Any reason you are not using yes?
 
@terdon Yes, the superblock is too broken
 
slm
2:04 PM
@terdon no he didn't 8-)
 
Like an old net acquaintance used to .sig - some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them
 
@JennyD meaning? I meant why not use yes instead of your phone?
@slm ;)
 
@terdon Ah, I thought you meant fsck -y
 
slm
Does this Q seem better now?
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Q: Programming environment to teach kids about programming

slmI'm looking for a self contained application that would assist in teaching basic programming concepts to 4th graders (9-10 years old). NOTE: I'm looking for an actual application that would help in teaching them loops, conditional logic, etc. in a fun and interactive way. I'm a computer enginee...

 
which didn't work
 
slm
2:05 PM
I'm struggling to formulate what I wan there
 
@terdon In this case, because I didn't realise how long it would take and now I don't want to interrupt it
 
@JennyD classic.
 
@terdon Yeah. I have worked as a sysadmin for almost two decades and this is the first time someone's broken a file system this hard in so short a time, excepting cases with actual hardware failure...
 
@slm looks fine to me. Damn Gilles is a mod there too?
@JennyD I just hate situations where something has been running for too long to risk stopping and redoing in a more efficient way. I like the phone hack though :)
 
@slm It's an interesting question. Every answer I could come up with is already in your list, though :-)
@terdon And I've got my personal laptop on which to read U/L so at least I won't have to be bored while I'm waiting
 
2:10 PM
Actually @slm, in this particular case, I believe the best app is called Daddy®
 
slm
@terdon yeah they just asked him to help out yesterday
 
I actually got my 9-year-old nephew excited with while :; do date; sleep 2; done
But he's a right little geek.
 
@slm I wonder if actual physical electric stuff would work. I had lots of fun as a teenager with some thingy that let you connect circuits, and you were supposed to make a particular subset of lamps light up. It definitely helped me think in terms of if/then/else.
s/teenager/10-13 years old/, IIRC
 
@JennyD @slm I defintly agree with the fact playing with small electronical and electrical circuit help me too and was really fun
 
@slm edited
 
2:17 PM
@JennyD y" on fsck have you try yes | fdisk ?
 
@slm did you tried any of those?
it would be awesome if you tried at least one to know what you are looking for ;)
 
@Kiwy e2fsck: need terminal for interactive repairs
 
but that's why a guy invent the yes command no ? of course it could be risky to say yes to everything with a file system check
 
@Kiwy It depends on the problem. In this case, I've got a system where the superblock thinks the file system is 600 gig while the underlying volume group is far less. This makes fsck want to check each single missing inode, and it considers that the error condition is so severe that it doesn't allow you to automate the check.
 
@JennyD ok then have lot's of fun :-/
in my desperate quest to get ride of useless tag what do you think of it's often use for the tag and it more often is use for application that does not yes have a tag, or just about how to install an app, does this tag not a bit too vague ?
 
2:31 PM
@Kiwy hmm, perhaps make a synonym of
 
@terdon no, that's not recommendable...
the application tag is being used for... several things
I prefer retagging those 48 Q's and remove the app tag
@Gilles ^?
 
@Braiam argh, so it is.
 
lets see WWGT
 
@Braiam yes, that looks like a good burnination candidate
 
@Braiam I agree
To be sure to remove a tag, it just need to be not used by any question for a while ?
 
2:36 PM
yeah, each 0300 gtm the tag is removed of the system...
 
OK do you get +2 rep when you remove a tag ? or is it only for people under a certain reputation ?
 
slm
any edit that get's approved when you're under 2k gets a +2
gtm = GMT
@terdon - good A on this, here's mine. I'm risking beating a dead horse but this Q has been on my mind.
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A: How do I know which answer to accept?

slmYes as one of the answerers, I thought it was incorrect of Jllarge to pressure you into (unaccepting my answer) vs. accepting his. Not from the perspective that mine was right or his was right but that as the OP it's your prerogative. You even said to him in comments on his answer why you chose m...

 
blames @terdon since he can't edit it
 
@slm OK so i will let you remove 48 tag from question then I do not deserve 96 points :D
 
slm
Anyone over 2k can do this
 
2:39 PM
@Braiam huh? What did I do?
can't edit what?
 
my chat line
 
lol
 
slm
@Braiam there are so many that in typical fashion I tried none. I'll likely try sratch or alice first
@JennyD @kiwy lots of tools have the -yes or -y switch. There's even a command in the OS /usr/bin/yes
 
What you are using? Mint, Ubuntu, Debian? also, why crosspost?Braiam 39 secs ago
smells blood
 
@slm that's why I was suggesting yes|fsck though the correct use is probably fsck < yes I'm not sure
 
slm
2:43 PM
@Braiam I'd let Gilles make that call, I'm not the best suited to decide on tagging
 
@slm I'd missed the drama. I didn't know he unaccepted yours
 
slm
@Kiwy - yeah I'd have to play w/ the syntax too
 
@Kiwy Usually that would be the right thing; not when fsck actually requires you to use a terminal.
 
slm
@terdon - yeah, jlliagre had apparently left comments about it directed to the OP, I only saw them later and left a comment to the OP about it
Seemed vindictive since my A had 11 UVs + the accept and his only had 1
 
2:45 PM
@slm yes, sometimes trying something will help you to identify what you want ;)
 
slm
@Braiam - really? 8-) this was a case where there are so many choices that I wanted input before proceeding, otherwise I would've tried the 3-4 choices, asked the Q and then written the dissertation answer my self 8-)
 
@slm you can answer your own recommendation :P
 
@slm I've heard good things about scratch. I think even some of the uni's use it in their 101 class, and it's supposed to be very adaptable.
 
slm
apparently that Q is turning into me doing just that
@JennyD alice and scratch seem to be the front runners
I too had the breadborad circuit thing from radio shack as a kid
 
one of mines is self answered too :P softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/1023/226
 
slm
2:48 PM
building a crystal radio was fun too
yeah they unlocked my Q
 
@slm congrats \o/ (it's nice to see that you do not rule on every StackExchange website)
Also after [tag:application] that should be deleted, I find the tag [tag:anaconda] I found those three product named anaconda but I really don't know what is what :

http://docs.continuum.io/anaconda/
https://github.com/MarkTr/anaconda
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart#Chapter_3._Package_Selection

does womeone know a bit about this ?
 
@Kiwy I believe most anaconda questiions will be about the kickstart thingy
@Kiwy Yep - it's the kickstart, I just looked at the questions
 
@Kiwy nah, @slm is actually a human (albeit a particularly knowledgeable and helpful one), it's @Gilles who's the bot (albeit ditto).
 
3:03 PM
@terdon I'm continuously impressed by @Gilles knowledge and ability to share it
 
@JennyD we all are, whoever programmed him is very good.
It was probably POSIXman
 
@JennyD so anaconda is a kickstartt version , or option ?
 
Joking aside, when I first joined the site I was too intimidated by the level of knowledge displayed here. What the hell do I know, I'm a biologist for heaven's sake! But then I saw that people were friendly, I learned a lot and here I am a year later one of the top 10 users on the site.
 
@JennyD @terdon @slm I'm already impressed by your ability to share, and also your knoledge :D I never notice @Gilles was that bot
 
@Kiwy It's a system to setup kickstarts
 
3:06 PM
@JennyD thank you :-)
 
@terdon One of the things that's appealing here is that there's such a broad range of questions. It's everything from basic unix knowledge to really deep questions.
 
Yeah, some of the As here simply blew me away.
By the way, the whole Gilles is a bot thing goes back to this conversation. Note that he did not deny it:
Oct 6 '13 at 20:47, by slm
@Gilles - are you a bot? 8-)
 
I started out on serverfault. Over there, neither the very newbie questions nor the really deep ones are appropriate. I still spend most of my time there but I do want these types of questions too.
 
that explained lots of things
 
@JennyD really? I would have thought that in-depth stuff would be preferred on SG since you guys deal with production critical systems
@Braiam that's just basic biology though, perhaps he's part of a bot's reproductive apparatus.
 
3:09 PM
o...key
 
@terdon Yes and no, it depends on what type of question. If it's more of a programming issue then it doesn't belong there; if it affects how to manage the system then it does belong there.
 
You have all serious issues you know :D
 
@Kiwy comes with the territory, we're *nix geeks
@JennyD how about something like the which vs type question?
 
@Kiwy You say that like it's a bad thing
@terdon I'd say that's a U/L question rather than a SF one.
 
3:11 PM
@JennyD definitely not
 
@Braiam I found an answer for the screenshot question!
 
shutter? that's way too easy :/
 
@Braiam yeah, I was knee deep in wading through man pages and xrandr and xset dpms force off and the like and then found a tool
 
@terdon, I'm use to *nix geek humor, I indeed experience it quiet often
 
slm
@Kiwy Anaconda is the application that runs during the installation of any redhat distro. It's written in Python and meanders it's way through the process hence the name
Kudzu is the application that does the autodetection of hardware from boot to boot.
kickstart is the application that takes the choices from a .cfg file and provides them as answers to Anaconda.
 
3:20 PM
@ thanks for the input :-) I'm not really familliar with redhat based
 
slm
yeah I'm a minority here on it
 
I do use centos from time to time but almost never installed a redhat based execpt fedora but it end up in terrible pain
By the way does anyone edit the anaconda tag ? because I can't edit it
 
slm
@JennyD My skills & background are more suited to SF, that was where I started, but I find the range of Q's too broad.
 
@Kiwy I did but someone else needs to approve it
 
@JennyD OK that explains everything :-)
 
3:24 PM
@slm The current client is on RHEL for most of its unix servers. I'm originally a Solaris/FreeBSD admin but most customers now are on RHEL or Suse.
 
@Kiwy what does this mean?
> Intel Atom low voltage CPU line
That does not explain when the tag should be used, and is also very ambiguous. What do you mean by line? Product line?
 
it means that atom tom is related to question about intel atom low voltage CPU line
 
"atom tom"? Tom has atom?
 
I can't put less than 20 character I had to made somthing up atom is common and it seems to me that adding an excerpt could be helpful one day
 
@Kiwy you know you have 150 char for the excerpt?
 
3:26 PM
@Braiam yes I know but last time I put a detail explanation and It end up with almost nothing in it
 
@Kiwy @JennyD I modified and approved both your edits. Try not to define tags in the excerpt but to offer guidance on when they should be used
 
@terdon Thanks!
 
slm
@terdon - I attempted to clean up the atom tag
 
slm
I approved it too JennyD
 
3:28 PM
Admittedly, in this case the changes I made are largely cosmetic but tag excerpts should be the elevator pitch rather than the definition
 
ok, Gilles is up there
 
@terdon I appreciate getting information about how to do it better next time.
 
I try to add a guidance but apparently it was not good enought :D
 
3:29 PM
they get 4GB too :P
 
@terdon thanks again
 
@Kiwy the idea is to keep it both short and informative. That is not always easy and Gilles has a lot of experience.
@JennyD you're very welcome
 
slm
@terdon are we reopening this?
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Q: Install specific 32 bit package on 64 bit debian squeeze(6.0)

nosI have an amd64 installation of Debian 6.0 (Squeeze), where I need to install a 32 bit version of the libpcap0.8. I have done an apt-get install ia32-libs which gets me a 32 bit libc and a few other things, but now I need another specific 32 bit package. What do I have to do ? (EDIT: the sugg...

Or dedupping it?
 
@slm I'm waiting for the OP to answer my last comment on if he used schroot
 
slm
It's in the reopen queue now
 
3:31 PM
@terdon ho I trust Gilles so I try to make short too, but it's not easy indeed
 
@slm squeeze doesn't have multiarch
 
slm
so it should be reopened?
Michael is asking about it too (mod)
 
@slm I didn't vote for it.
 
slm
i think if someone edits it it will trigger it too
are we leaving it closed/dup then for the time being?
 
Yes but it has a vote so someone voted.
@slm I am personally, but I'd skip rather than vote to keep closed. The OP{ has not been seen in an hour so let's give them time to answer the schroot thing
 
slm
3:33 PM
ah did't see that
right i will, I just wanted to understand if it comes up as reopened
 
@slm the problem is that he's using an older debian (squeeze) so the modern approaches fail
 
@terdon most question I ask use AIX standard binary (not GNU) and most apporach fails also :D
 
3:49 PM
@Kiwy well, as long as you make that clear in the Q people should be able to answer. We have some pure Unix guys and gals around
 
also some POXIXY compliant person :D
And why lot's of person has a pseudonym whit UserXXXXX
with*
 
@terdon He really should just upgrade. wheezy has been out for a while.
 
@FaheemMitha I really really object to that mentality. One of the best things about Linux for me was that it did not badger me update all the time. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Anyway, the OP could have any number of valid reasons to keep an older OS
 
@terdon actually old-stable has some serious security holes
unless you are backporting
 
@terdon How do you consider major security issue is it a broken system or a futur broken systemmaybe ?
 
3:57 PM
I see no reason to update my 5 year old machine that is not connected to the internet and only serves files to my LAN. Why should I spend a weekend re tweaking everything just to have a newer version?
@Braiam @Kiwy security is only an issue for sensitive data. I don't care if there are security holes in my system if I have nothing sensitive there or if it not connected to the internet.
Plus, there is a big difference between security updates and a full scale OS upgrade
 
@terdon In practice this usually is the best thing to do. Speaking as someone who is not overly fond of updating. Debian releases last like 2 years plus, so it is not like it is a continuous upgrade treadmill.
 
@terdon security update vs upgrade I agree but still having a non up to date system is a problem even if you have nothing to hide do yhou like that your own server get use by other to send spam for example ?
 
The usual reason for upgrading is that the software available for the release is increasingly out of date. Again, speaking as someone who doesn't exactly care about the bleeding edge.
Of course, security upgrades will eventually end for squeeze too.
 
@Kiwy as I said, the machine in question is not connected to the internet so I fail to see a problem.\
 
@terdon That's relatively unusual.
 
4:00 PM
yes but you never know what the NSA could attempt
 
@FaheemMitha not really. You often have such setups with machines only being accessible via gateway servers for example.
 
yes but still accecible if hte system is compromised :/
 
@terdon You mean from the outside?
 
All I'm saying is that I object to the type of comments we often see here: WHy are you using version foo, that's OLD!
 
my point is... that is easier having a multiarch setup with newer systems
is a Imma too lazy approach
 
4:02 PM
@FaheemMitha I mean that I can have a simple file server on my LAN that has no internet access and is only accessible through the LAN. It could even be on a different subnet or whatever.
 
@terdon Well, if the poster has special needs/desires, he will presumably comment. Nobody is in a position to dictate what he does, it is merely a suggestion.
@terdon Ok.
 
@Braiam only if you are willing to upgrade and that is not always an option in professinal settings where various users need older versions or where the machine can't be taken offline or whatever
 
I presume since he wants multiarch is a dev environment
<--- not doing any weird hack in production ever
 
@FaheemMitha I know, I know, it's just a pet peeve of mine. I get tired of answering "upgrade broke my system" questions where the OP had no reason to upgrade in the first place. A 4 year old system is a different matter, agreed.
 
@terdon True, if the machine doesn't belong to him, he might not be able to upgrade.
 
4:03 PM
For example
 
@terdon Well, all the beginners running testing/unstable should stop doing it, agreed.
That is a common source of problems, in my experience.
 
It's the knee jerk reaction that gets to me: "OMG! Your system is like 6 months old! Eeeeek!"
(which was not at all the case with your comment of course)
 
@terdon what your system is more than 6 months old ?
 
It actually took me a while to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, because I had mostly backported things i needed, like gcc 4.7. also, i was suffering from computer administration enuii.
 
Sorry I cannot speak with you again
 
4:06 PM
@Kiwy sigh
:)
 
in the order of improving my answers and also to get more point than @Gilles in less than a year I like your insight on an answer of mine I just did
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A: Does the order of options in the /etc/network/interface option matter

KiwyIn your specific case it does not matter but in case you get several interface, and also if you use conditional configuration the order can became important. For example in this case iface eth0 inet static address 88.191.xxx.zzz netmask 255.255.255.255 broadcast 88.191.xxx.zzz #dns-nameserve...

how would you improve this answer for example
I feel like there's something not correct
 
@Kiwy that's my upvote there. I think it is fine, it could be improved if you actually explain when the order could be relevant. Is it only in the case of post-up and post-down?
 
Well also if you set up Two interfaces obviously if you put info of interface th2 in the eth1 it will not work
@terdon but that's the more relevant example I can came up with a one i experience and gives me nice headeach at the time
 
@Kiwy I think that's a fine example (and a perfectly good answer, hence the upvote). All I am saying is that to improve it you might try for the general case, as in "these options depend on the order, all others don't". But it is not that needed IMO
 
well it's time for me to go back home :D I have no work at this moment anyway, I should work from home :D
@ good evening for europeans
and good night and day for the others
 
4:31 PM
Home time for me. See you another day.
 

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