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Faheem Mitha

2:57 AM

testing

Ramesh

6:04 AM

@Gnouc, you there?

@Gnouc, I have just put a link to your perl solution to the original question. Let me know if that is fine.

Gnouc

@Ramesh: You can use it anyway. I don't add my answer because the OP seems only want awk or sed.

Ramesh

@Gnouc yeah. But I put it because it can be useful for someone in future.

And also I accepted John's answer just because I wanted to give him rep. :) Hope you don't mind. Yours was also a perfect solution.

Gnouc

@Ramesh: I have never cared about rep. Don't mind.

Letharion

7:54 AM

Hey :)

I've recently discovered the fantastic tool "pass" (http://www.passwordstore.org/)
Pass itself has a nice how to get started guide, but using pass requires a gpg-key. While I've managed to create a key, I feel like there's a great deal of things I should know about gpg that I don't.

Is it reasonable to ask "What's a 5 minute getting started guide to gpg?" or would that be considered off-topic?

Faheem Mitha

@Letharion re "What's a 5 minute getting started guide to gpg?", this is site is not supposed to be a replacement for google. So, yes, I think it would likely be closed. But you can certainly test that.

The general idea here is specific targeted questions.See the scope etc.

Letharion

@FaheemMitha Cheers. :)

user1460166

10:28 AM

Hi guys, I have a question

I have two ubuntu machines connected through a wired ethernet cable

I'm asking how I can give full permissions of one of them to a certain folder in the other?

Letharion

11:50 AM

@user1460166 Sounds like a question for the main site. :) Though I think NFS may be the answer you're looking for.

terdon

12:10 PM

@Braiam why did you remove cpu and hardware from a question specifically about cpu hardware? I know you dislike general tags but retagging as only fan is a bit useless. You directed the user to the hardware tag excerpt which clearly indicates that the tag was applicable. Please stop removing the general tags in favor of leaving only the specific ones.

You might have an argument against hardware but cpu is clearly applicable and you even started a meta discussion about it yet decided to remove it before seeing what the community thought about it. Please don't do that.

user1460166

@terdon It's me again, I apologize for disturbing you yesterday.

I didn't mean at all. I've contacted you couple of weeks ago regarding some scripting if you remember.

terdon

@user1460166 Look, it's just that yesterday I was in the middle of work and your ping startled me is all. Since other people were already trying to help you, I didn't understand why you would be pinging me. Don't worry about it, it's no big deal.

What's up?

user1460166

no worries, I just apologize again, I didn't mean it.

terdon

Oh, are you the aussie? Sorry, can't remember you with that username :)

user1460166

yes :)

its me

terdon

12:23 PM

That makes a bit more sense. I thought you were some random drive by user who was pinging anyone he could find in the room.

user1460166

:)

this is why I tried to clarify

but yeah, I totally understand and consider your situation yesterday :)

slm

12:40 PM

@user1460166 - you can set your name in your profile so that it's easier for ppl to identify you.

casey

12:54 PM

yea, when I see user123456789 I don't even bother with the numbers, you are all just all the same person to me

user1460166

@slm @casey okay will do

:)

slm

@casey - totally

user1460166

1:45 PM

@terdon @casey @slm done :)

my name is shepherd

terdon

Cool :)

Faheem Mitha

@user1460166 Consider personalizing your user name.

It's almost impossible to keep track of "user+number" type names.

user1460166

@FaheemMitha I did change it

but I don't know why its still appearing as numbers

slm

@FaheemMitha - look above, he's shepherd

you have to likely logout and back in

user1460166

so it appears as shepherd to you?

slm

1:53 PM

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Q: Why can I only change my Stack Overflow name once every 30 days?

I have a profile on Stack Overflow. I recently decided to change the name on my profile. I did this, but I made a spelling mistake! I wrote "Kryton" instead of "Kryten"! When I tried to fix this, a message came back saying that I can only change my profile name every 30 days. Why? Is there any wa...

not yet, no. Still user....

@user1460166 - is your acct over 2 days old?

shows as shepherd on SO

same here

shepherd

101

so it's just chat

@user1460166 - I'd log out of chat and then log back in.

user1460166

okay

will do now

done :D

its displayed correctly now right?

casey

@shepherd i see shepherd

shepherd

:)

awesome

Braiam

2:13 PM

@terdon CPU doesn't have an specific use other than something vague about CPU, if you follow that logic anything related to CPU, from CPU usage, CPU temperature, CPU performace, CPU comparation, CPU instructions, CPU architecture, CPU temperature, hardware and software, will be all mixed, check the excerpt, it doesn't explain "how to use". If it doesn't is up to interpretation, therefore I asked about in meta seems to me is pretty confusing.

oh, btw, hardware specifically says: General questions about hardware under Linux/Unix. Use a more specific tag if applicable.

that's what I did

terdon

@Braiam I agree its confusing, your meta post is great. I was wondering why you decided to remove it before reaching a consensus. Derobert's comment is pretty much how I also feel and the tag seemed to be a perfect fit on that Q.

Braiam

@terdon yeah, but he points out "Probably a case where we'd need to start retagging and see if anything is left."

terdon

It was asking how to stop the CPU fan, so cpu and hardware both seem appropriate. Especially CPU since there can be people who follow that tag for exactly the list of topics you just posted.

Braiam

@terdon I point out again that hardware tag says: "Use a more specific tag if applicable.", so, if you don't find the most specific tag, you can use it, otherwise, you shouldn't

and I would be very pleased if we stop asuming that I'm removing general tags just for the sake of it, I'm removing tags where it doesn't seems to be fitting

as you can notice, I didn't went into a mass retagging spree

terdon

@Braiam No, sorry, that is not what that means. It means use another tag as well if appropriate, not, as you always understand it, use only the other tag.

@Braiam And as I'm sure you notice I never accused you of going on one. I just noticed you retagging a single question and asked you about it.

And I know you don't feel they fit. I feel they do. Which is why we keep getting into these arguments :)

Braiam

2:27 PM

@terdon there you go meta.stackexchange.com/q/242042/213575

but I will say in advantage, I asked around and people said that they wouldn't chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2521224#2521224

casey

2:53 PM

I'm of the opinion that if you arent running up against the max of 5 tags, include both the general and specific tags

I don't do it here, but I do on SO follow specific generic tags, and if people don't include the "big picture" tag but only the very specific, I don't see the Q

terdon

@casey Precisely. Braiam was nice enough to post a meta Q on this so you might want to weigh in.

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Q: What should I do when I see "Use a more specific tag if applicable" in a tag excerpt/wiki?

I found several times tags like these, and sometimes I found a more appropriated tag, sometimes I don't, but when I do I'm confused. Should I use both tags, the more appropriated and the one that has the message or should I only use the one that I found more appropriated? I kind of read that mess...

discussion tags tag-wiki tag-wiki-excerpt

casey

someone who is a hardware aficionado might only follow "hardware" in order to see all of those Q's, rather than following all of the very specific tags like "fan".

this in part is a consequence of how tags work here and without user scripts how I can browse tags

terdon

@casey This is about this question:

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Q: How to stop CPU fan in Linux?

I use an old computer. CPU fan creates big noise. Sometimes CPU fan suddenly stops and does not work for a long time, and CPU does not get heated in these long periods, because I use very light-weight applications. How can I stop the CPU fan indefinitely? I use Debian Wheezy.

hardware cpu fan

Braiam

@casey well, if you believe that all the questions about cpu, that are not even hardware related "why is this process using all my cpu?!?!" would have the tag, no?

casey

@Braiam well, that question wouldn't have "cpu" and "hardware"

multiple generic tags can come together to be more specific than they are on their own

Braiam

2:57 PM

exactly, I only apply tag where it fits and makes sense, not whenever I see another related tag

each tag for me has to hold on their own on the same question as if the other tags didn't exist

casey

@terdon that one I'd tag hardware and fan for sure. CPU I could go either way (CPU fan, case fan, PSU fan, watercooling radiator fan?) but I don't feel strongly enough to remove it if the OP added it

@Braiam that is where we disagree I guess. I look at the tags in sum.

though I tend to be hierarchical in my tagging, so each is individually applicable, though some more broadly than others

Braiam

@casey and thats where you fail, tags aren't meant to be hierarchical, but sole representative of their respective topics

casey

e.g. on ES I am going to tag anything tangentially related to weather with "meteorology". That is incredibly broad, but it gives visibility to domain experts and isn't wrong. Of course this will be augmented by more specific tags as well.

terdon

@Braiam That's where the tag system fails, if anything.

casey

@Braiam then why ever use more than 1 tag?

Braiam

3:01 PM

@terdon well, they have declined every attempt of making taxonomically organization of all the tags

@casey because your question can be related to more than 1 topic

casey

e.g. hardware, cpus and fans?

terdon

What is needed is an ontology organized as a DAG. I was talking to a Programmers mod the other day who saw thinking of implementing it.

casey

perhaps cpu is just a bad tag. On its own it can't be a sole representative, it needs qualification

at least without a very specific tag wiki to nail down exactly what it means

and that tag could use some improvement...

Braiam

and then we go to this meta Q meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/3203/41104

more to the point @casey, we don't have to tag everything with linux because it's assumed they are all using linux, right? Using the same train of trough, we shouldn't tag hardware every hardware related question, right? I mean, CPU, GPU's, RAM, SSD, HDD, sound card, etc. will have the hardware tag as well

but each of those topics has their own tag, applying more tags doesn't really improve the opportunities of answering the question greatly

casey

I agree, thats why I said I'd have tagged "hardware" and "fan" on that Q. I probably wouldnt have added "CPU" myself, but I don't feel strongly enough to remove it either.

terdon

3:10 PM

The linux comparison is a bad one. Everything on this site is about Linux or UNix so the tag is next to useless unless it is used to specify that something is only applicable to linux. On Super User, on the other hand, it is very useful and pretty much all questions that are about Linux need it.

48

Q: Please do not remove general OS tags

Are we removing general OS tags? Did I miss a meeting? I've seen some edits in the review queue where users are removing general OS tags along with the burmination candidates. Is this community policy? I've seen this question but it doesn't seem to be very popular. By 'general' I don't mean 'gen...

discussion

Braiam

@terdon which I support Oliver Comment:

> In general, if a question is about Windows 7 in particular, it should not be tagged windows. If the question is a general Windows-related question, it should be tagged windows

slm

already out of votes for the day

Braiam

3:39 PM

@terdon @Gilles I highly recommend a reading to this meta.stackexchange.com/a/242044/213575

Ramesh

4:31 PM

@Patrick, I remembered your comment here and it just seems like what the OP needs here.

derobert

4:54 PM

@FaheemMitha It needed saying... :-/

Ramesh

5:10 PM

It's just because the commands are still in english should be the answer for this question, right?

derobert

@Ramesh I suspect there's a bit more to it than that. There are multiple sets of APIs on Mac OS X, and I wouldn't be surprised if the localization is done in one of them but not in the Unix API.

Ramesh

6:38 PM

@derobert I believe so. I couldn't find anything on the internet on why this happens. Even I tried some strace but I couldn't find much of info.

terdon

@Ramesh Windows has the same thing. They probably just create whatever the equivalent of a shortcut is in the GUI and use that.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I was admiring your self-restraint, not being sarcastic.

@shepherd I'm seeing shepherd now.

Hi guys.

Ramesh

6:58 PM

@terdon it is interesting. I could see that with local language set, in my terminal all I could see is ????????? for videos (output of ls command) but if I use cd my_local_equivalent_of_videos it works.

Tyler Maginnis

7:51 PM

Does anyone know the operators on Freenode?

Faheem Mitha

8:47 PM

@TylerMaginnis Why?

Tyler Maginnis

I'm running multiple sockpuppet Q&A sessions on #Linux on Freenode and I thought they might want to know that several hour-long conversations on there today have been... um... between me and myself.

so you can go tell your friends on freenode operations that this guy, that's right, THIS GUY, is on #linux, wrecking it for everyone.

@Fa

@FaheemMitha

Faheem Mitha

9:04 PM

@TylerMaginnis Er, what?

derobert

9:15 PM

@Ramesh ???? in ls output probably means your locale isn't set right in the terminal.

@TylerMaginnis ya know, unlike IRC, here we welcome people to ask and answer their own good questions...

Here as in on the site, not in chat, of course.

Faheem Mitha

VTC, people -> unix.stackexchange.com/q/162124/4671

The poster has a good point re searching - how does one search for ./?

slm

@FaheemMitha closed

Ramesh

This is a reasonably good question. But why it is downvoted?

terdon

@Ramesh A better question is why haven't you upvoted it if you think it's good? :)

Ramesh

@terdon I just upvoted. I feel bad for the OP.

I mean the question seems ok to me.

terdon

9:28 PM

@Ramesh Yeah, I guess its downvoted because someone thought it's too broad. Too historical without any specific technical issue. I am not very interested because I figure the reason will be completely random historical chance.

We'll see though.

Ramesh

Yeah. It's really hard to predict which questions make the hot list and which don't. I expected this was going to make into the list of hot network questions. But am wrong :)

derobert

download grumble another tag to clean up...

Faheem Mitha

9:44 PM

@Ramesh I don't know if I'd go as far as good. But it doesn't deserve a downvote either, imo.

slm

come on slm's version of cow

78

A: Watch YouTube videos in terminal

You can download videos and/or just the audio and then watch/listen to them using youtube-dl. The script is written in Python and makes use of ffmpeg I believe. $ youtube-dl --help Usage: youtube-dl [options] url [url...] Options: General Options: -h, --help print th...

terdon

@slm Last holy grail huh :)

Faheem Mitha

@slm 78? Holy crap. Working hypothesis - people like Frozen.

@slm i see those screenshots are working for you.

slm

@terdon no you guys helped me get it already, this is just for fun now

oh yeah they seem to do the job

also the little animated gifs are well liked too

Faheem Mitha

@slm Animated gifs? What animated gifs?

slm

9:50 PM

I use them on vim Q's a lot

not on that one

Faheem Mitha

I must admit I upvoted it myself. My only explanation - all those cute pics of Frozen exerted a hypnotic spell on me.

@slm Animated gifs on vim questions? That, I'd like to see.

terdon

@slm it will be strange if you get 100 points for that. It's actually a well written, thorough and correct answer. No cows in sight. Normally, the huge scores go for silly things.

So, go slm!

slm

4

Q: What is difference between w and W in escape mode of vim?

I am looking at the vim help quickref commands for moving cursor. Following lines confuse me because I find both of them working same. Could some one elaborate me difference with an example. N w N words forward N W N blank-separated WORDS forward Same question is true f...

vim

It actually turned out to be a very interesting problem. @mikeserv showed the terminology terminal which is actually really awesome

you can play the videos in the background, I never would've even thought to ask about that feature.

terdon

@slm Yeah, I had a look at it but it needed me to update too many libraries. I'll get back to it as soon as I switch systems.

slm

not sure if I'd use it day to day but I might

Gilles

10:03 PM

@FaheemMitha bleh, I've seen several on Emacs as well, and none yet that had any benefit whatsoever

you see a bunch of stuff move, you can't control the pace, you don't know what actions are making the stuff move around. Useless.

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles I think slm was extrapolating the maxim that a picture is worth a thousand words. If so, then presumably an animated picture is worth even more words.

Gilles

@FaheemMitha meditate on the virtue of brevity

Faheem Mitha

10:18 PM

@Gilles Hey, I didn't say I thought so.

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