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12:00 AM
@Gilles doesn't matter, if they are only answering the title of the question ignoring the body
I'm not afraid of invalidating answers that were wrong in the first place
 
12:14 AM
@Braiam the body doesn't mention NFS
 
@Gilles ok, he's deliberately hiding information, the issue he had only happens on mounted NFS partitions, which he didn't told us and is critical to know what was the issue
in any case the question lacks information relevant which OP decided not to include, which lead to solve the problem
information that I added with my edit
 
 
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1:49 AM
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Q: Berryboot equivilent for a x86 system

Journeyman GeekBerryboot is a pretty neat pre-boot environment that lets you install one of several pre-selected images to your raspi. It does VNC for picking your boot options. So.. basically what I need is A preboot menu accessable remotely - with a gui and VNC support. The option to pick a installer optio...

 
 
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5:18 AM
You guys want this?
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Q: Triple Monitor help, onboard plus pci card Ubuntu 14.04

MeduserI am running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, and using Cinnamon as my main environment. I have three Acer monitors. 2 matching x203w's, connected to an Nvidia GeForce 9600 gt pci card. I also have an Acer x203H connected to the onboard video card..an ATI Radeon HD 4200 series. All three monitors are connect...

It's pretty messy so I'm asking.
Go ahead and flag it.
 
 
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9:28 AM
0
A: replace several comma out side one or more sets of curly braces and exception that in one or more sets of curly braces

Avinash RajYou could do this simply through Perl+regex combination. perl -pe 's/(\{(?:[^{}]|(?1))*\})(*SKIP)(*F)|,/|/g' file Example: $ perl -pe 's/(\{(?:[^{}]|(?1))*\})(*SKIP)(*F)|,/|/g' file (999969|2500|"777777888"|0|"45265"|"65522"|NULL|10001|2014-09-15 10:27:07.287|2014-09-15 10:28:49.085|2014-09-1...

 
9:50 AM
@AvinashRaj while it seems correct, I don't really understand why one wouldn't simply use a CSV parser to start with...
 
yep, i think op takes this as a challenge.
 
@AvinashRaj Fair point.
I am too old and lazy to reinvent all the wheels :-)
 
:-)
 
 
2 hours later…
11:42 AM
@AvinashRaj that answer would be great if you could explain how it works. You're using some pretty obscure syntax (most people won't know the recent and perl specific *SKIP and *F). Could you break it down and add an explanation?
Hell, I don't get most of it either.
 
12:08 PM
hmm, sure...
 
@AvinashRaj thanks, you have amassed some serious PCRE-fu these past few months! Well done!
 
give me 10 mins...
 
@AvinashRaj Take your time, whenever you can.
 
i think now you figured it out..
 
@AvinashRaj Not really to tell you the truth. I'm not familiar with *SKIP or with the (?1) notation. I know what they do, sort of, but I never use them so I find your solution very cryptic. It works like a charm mind and I sort of suspect what its doing but I'd like to see an explanation.
 
12:25 PM
yep, i'm writing...
 
slm
@JennyD that's called experience 8-)
 
12:56 PM
@terdon "works like a charm and I sort of suspect what it's doing" - that's normal for perl code, with or without regexps :-)
 
@JennyD Well, if it were python or something with truly weird syntax, I'd say OK, but I'm supposed to know perl dammit!
 
@terdon Oh, I know that feeling...
 
@JennyD What's worse, the answer I was trying to decipher was written by @AvinashRaj who didn't even know perl a couple of months ago. Now, he's writing things I can't grok. No fair!
Darned whiz kids.
 
@terdon Indeed! Horrible!
 
it's in finishing stage..
 
1:05 PM
@AvinashRaj You're getting too good for me :)
 
slm
@AvinashRaj I understand you're doing a search/replace and that a quick look, looks like you're using the lookahead/lookbehind but it would be nice if you explained how that worked. Even if it's reserachable, most ppl will not get what you're doing. It's nice when A'ers also educate others and are as self contained as possible.
It's a 1 line A which we generally discourage.
a bullet list breaking it down for the various pieces is all that I would be looking for, more than that would be great
 
@slm Not even. He's using the special *SKIP and *F to control backtracking and the (?) to group. I don't think there are any lookarounds there. I had to read perlre to get that much!
 
Evening!
How to normalize an mp3 file to 100%?
Is normalize-audio -b foo.mp3 supposed to do so?
/cc @terdon
 
@IonicăBizău No idea, sorry. I don't even know what normalize-audio is.
See? I can't even write it.
 
slm
1:31 PM
@IonicăBizău Normalize usually needs multiple mp3s to scan and then normalize the group
@terdon In either case it should be explained!
 
@slm Absolutely! I think he's working on the explanation though so lets not badger the poor guy :)
 
slm
normalizing audio makes all the levels for the volume in the same range so that one isn't too loud while another is too quiet
 
@terdon heh, a case where the disciple beat the master? :P
 
@Braiam Absolutely!
 
in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 6 mins ago, by Takkat
like sox --norm silent.mp3 normalized.mp3
@slm This works.
 
slm
1:33 PM
@terdon OK, saw that it was posted 3hrs ago and then he said he'd post some explanation in a few minutes
 
I've been working with Perl daily for more than a decade and it still surprises me. Sigh. I really should read a perl book from cover to cover one of these days.
 
slm
@terdon one thing working w/ Perl has taught me is that it's impossible to know all the tricks.
that is Perl's flaw, it requires the reader to have to go comb through books and references to decipher
I've worked w/ it for over 20+ yrs
hence why there was so much emphasis on best practices and teaching ppl to write it in specific ways. The syntax was almost too flexible
 
@slm Dunno. I often talk with Tom Christiansen on the English Language & Usage room and he seems to manage. Then again, he's the author of the camel book and the perl cookbook so I guess he'd better :)
 
slm
mind you, I like the lang too
 
I know, I know, it's only as obtuse as the author chooses it to be.
 
slm
1:39 PM
yeah that's the problem, I"ve read so many programs by ppl that were self taught and that's been my big take away
a lang. should kind of prevent you from that
Didn't Tom write some perl checker program too? I can't think of it's name
 
@slm Yes, you should see mine. They'd probably get me shot in a CS department.
 
slm
perl::critic was what I was thinking
 
@slm Maybe. I don't know, he sure as hell knows his Perl though.
 
slm
yeah there's a small group of guys w/in the lang. that have been trying to improve the situation for years. Much of the plumbing on the internet is still Perl.
 
@terdon added. Correct if you found any errors ...
 
slm
1:43 PM
at Kodak they had massive amounts of scripts and dynamic pieces to the various sites that were Perl based, and almost impossible to debug and remove
and did all types of nasty things
 
@AvinashRaj Thanks! That's one hell of an explanation!
I corrected some grammar and style issues and changed parentheses to braces since I think that's what you meant. parentheses==( and ) not { and }
 
slm
@AvinashRaj - thanks for taking the time to do that!
 
2:02 PM
@AvinashRaj great explanation on that cryptic PCRE
 
ARGH! OP asks for help parsing this:
Fabio,fabiousaol85,cc,12/02/2014 11:05:06:999,ok,ok,as7895632,1125896
I give him two solutions and then he posts this comment:
Hi everyone, this is the file i have to process: 73306758;Da Lavorare;;20300;RESTAROC;10/10/2014 16:37:22.425;PALAGIANO;TA;PUGLIA;;Libretto;IDENTITA;AI2000000;OK;DOC Valido;0;0;CCCMNN85X26X251X;OK;CF Attribuito;0;0 The part i have to truncate is the .425 in the date field. — fabiousaol85 5 hours ago
Well duh! Of course it didn't work. Your question refered to the 4th field where you want the 6th and you don't have comma separated values but ;-separated!
AAAAAAAAAAaaarggh.
Phew, sorry, had to rant.
 
@terdon let it out, let it out
 
pants
 
@terdon thats why I tend to stay away from that type of question unless there is a very clear "this is what I have" and "this is what I want". If they change that mid-answer I don't know that I'd have the fortitude to continue.
 
@casey There was dammit! He just gave an example that had no relation whatsoever to his actual data.
 
2:12 PM
@terdon I'd drop the keyboard and walk away at that point :)
 
Yes, preferably from a high building and onto the OP :)
 
slm
We need to close those more often
 
perhaps some people don't understand that regex in particular is very sensitive to the input data
 
slm
they just run rampant and are a waste of our time
 
meh, I steer clear of all the text processing questions
 
slm
2:14 PM
jimmij deleted his A from yesterday in disgust
 
@slm Yes, but I think it's because someone downvoted. It wasn't me but I left a comment explaining why his answer was not very good. Unlike this one which is great. He does know his stuff.
 
slm
I did
I just closed it too
 
WE could also write (?R) as (?0)
@casey Thanks :-)
 
if people knew how to love regex101 et all, all if not most of those questions would been adverted
 
slm
If he cleans it up then reopen it. We shouldn't have to use answers to work out what the actual Q's are 8-)
push back on the OP, you're doing him the service
 
2:20 PM
meh, maybe we should put as requirement that all questions should have an attempt to approach the issue
that way we keep the questions interesting and OP do some legwork, which is important
 
@Braiam I'd go for that. For comparison, noone is going to help you over on SO if you don't post an example of how you attempted it first.
 
@Braiam Yep,,,
 
shouldn't be a commission free regex writing service :)
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especially when (even with explanations) we are handing over snippets that these askers probably treat as a magic black box
 
slm
I agree with Braiam, too many times we're left doing all the leg work to answer their Q
the asker should be on the hook for this
@casey that's what's turned into, and we always have 2-5 A'ers ready to give these guys too
to make those Q's more useful to future users they should all conform to a here's what I have and here's what I want
Did there used to be a "too little research" close reason?
 
@slm nope
well, at least there was one in SO that could be interpreted like that
 
slm
2:33 PM
I've been using unclear or too broad but neither of those reasons feels right to me
 
316
Q: Should Stack Overflow be awarding "A"s for Effort?

Shog9This just came up again: homework is not acceptable if the asker has made no effort whatsoever I'm developing a bit of an involuntary twitch that manifests itself when I encounter the word "effort" on Stack Overflow these days. Don't get me wrong — effort is good. At least, productive eff...

the best we can do is using this meta.stackoverflow.com/q/258856/792066
oh, btw @slm givemehtehcodez can be too broad meta.stackexchange.com/a/216577/213575 since any answer needs deep and step by step explanation of what's being done
 
slm
I think shog's off on that one
The Q's are critical to the A'ers being useful. When a Q is too lax in it's details it makes the A'ers have to replicate more, making for more work when other's want to read them down the road.
Also a good Q will typically elicit 1 A. The fact that those Q's have 4+ A'ers on them tells me that they weren't asked specifically enough
 
actually I liked JBD's answer, I want to know that OP did something, anything, before I try myself and hit a wall
> you can't have a well-asked question without some effort and, more often than not, some documentation of that effort.
that is mainly my position
which is why I always include debugging methods (how to figure out problems) on my selfanswered questions
so people can't say that "they don't know how to tackle the problem down"
 
slm
2:51 PM
mikhails is my point
> like to distinguish between effort in formulating the question and effort in solving the problem. When I want to kill a post it is mostly for a lack of the former.
I think this is the point that shog is missing here
I don't want/expect to have pages of debug output and src code cluttering up the Q, only that the Q was asked in a concise way so that ppl answering it can do so w/o having to guess too much.
 
smells a meta Q incoming
actually I see Shog' point, he created something with a propose and sees people using it with another, I would worry too
 
slm
shog's A is good down towards the bottom
 
slm
3:08 PM
so those Q's should be getting DV'd by us according to shog's A guys.
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Q: Why is voting removed from new review system?

Somnath MulukIn the old review system we could vote for posts while reviewing. We were able to upvote great posts and downvote bad quality posts: But in the new review system we are not able to vote on posts: Voting is one of the main components of SE communities. While surfing or reviewing posts I am e...

so break out of the Q if you must and DV those regex Q's when they're weak.
And if anyone bothered to read up on this subject, Jeff Atwood said as much in 2011
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Q: Should downvotes on questions be "free"?

Jeff AtwoodAs I'm sure you all know, downvotes "cost" 1 reputation. That is, every time you downvote: -2 to post owner -1 to you This is done to make sure downvotes are cast only when you feel strongly that something is incorrect / wrong / dangerous / of low quality. We've been tweaking a few thing...

 
3:21 PM
Hi guys I have an issue
regarding telnet
telnet 192.168.0.1 50060
Trying 192.168.0.1...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
 
it appears that the connection to port 50060 was refused.
the corrective action is to not refuse it.
 
yeah but i don't know why
how? :)
 
things to look at are 1) is something listening on that port? if so, what? 2) do you have a firewall or iptables setup? 3) any other supporting information.
put all of that together and ask a Q on the site
it'll then show up in the list of new Q's at the top left corner of this page
 
darn @casey stop stealing words from my mouth fingers!
 
@Braiam you can have the next one!
 
3:25 PM
@casey here is the question :)
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Q: Exceeded MAX_FAILED_UNIQUE_FETCHES; bailing-out Hadoop

user1460166I've successfully run hadoop on a single node cluster and now I'm trying to run hadoop on a multi-node cluster but it's not running properly. I followed the answer in this question shuffle error:exceeded max_failed_unique_matche : bailing out but when I ping the master with the slave they are wo...

another one :)
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Q: error in shuffle in fetcher#1 Hadoop error

user1460166I'm trying to run the Hadoop pi example. It was running without any problems on a single node. But now I'm working on a multinode and its giving the below error. If anyone could please advise. mapred-site.xml: <?xml version="1.0"?> <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="configuration.xsl"?> <!...

the problem is that the master and slave ping normally
but seems there is a problem in the connection when running my application
 
ping is an ICMP protocol and has no bearing on something listening on a TCP or UDP port
 
okay
so would you please have a look at my question as I'd be really thankful if you could assist me
 
you could add to that question the output of netstat or something else to show us something is actually listening on port 50060
 
I just followed what is in this link stackoverflow.com/questions/10729543/…
 
for example, netstat -l will list listening connections
and you'd want to see something like 192.168.0.1:50060 in that list of connections
 
3:29 PM
sudo netstat -plntu
i used this one
and this was the putput
output*
Active Internet connections (only servers)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1746/dnsmasq
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 693/sshd
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 986/cupsd
tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 693/sshd
 
nothing in that list is listening on port 50060, that is why you can't connect
that points to something wrong with the software you are trying to run, and beyond my expertise (no experience with hadoop or whatever you are trying to run)
 
mmmm
okay
what about you @Braiam ? :D
@casey some people say it may be the firewall
blocking it
how can I switch that off?
 
firewall would block incoming connections, but afaik it would not prevent you from binding a socket to that port and listening
so I am skeptical that is the problem
but people will assume that since you don't post the netstat output in your Q
 
@Braiam yeah, still would like an answer to the bash command completion question. Though unless something's changed, I think the answer is bash doesn't do that.
 
to turn off a firewall you could flush the tables, but I don't recommend that option blindly because it would probably do you more harm than good.
 
3:40 PM
mmm
okay
so from the question what do you think might be causing the problem?
 
@user1460166 incorrectly configured software (hadoop?)
 
@terdon will you be able to help me out in this?
 
but I've not run or configured that software, so I'm of no help at that point
 
mmmm
okay
do you know anyone here who is good in hadoop or used it before?
I mean in this room
 
@user1460166 No, I don't know anything about it. Just so you know, pinging random people and demanding they help is not considered polite. If someone wants to or can help they will, if not, leave them alone.
 
3:43 PM
mmm
@terdon sorry
 
Sorry, but I was in the middle of something and the ping is distracting.
 
I didn't mean at all
I don't know if you remember me or not?
 
@user1460166 my advice is to improve your Q (include netstat output to show the status of the port you are trying to access and any iptables rules that are relevent) and hope someone sees it (or see if there is a hadoop chatroom on SO to help you)
 
I didn't ping random
 
slm
@derobert yeah the completion in bash cannot do this
 
3:44 PM
@casey okay will do
 
Also... I finally rebooted my machine. And now all the font rendering in Chromium is completely different; looks like the hinting settings have changed... Wonder why.
 
@derobert Debian's?
 
@Braiam Yeah, on testing/unstable.
 
they have been breaking Chromium and X lately
 
@derobert I used to experience that... I blacklisted all raster fonts and it seems to have fixed it a while back.
 
3:48 PM
@casey It's now more anti-aliased, so it's not excessive raster fonts.
I shouldn't complain, it's better than it was before. Just the sudden change was jarring.
 
@derobert I did notice more anti aliasing when I updated to 38, but not too much, but its been "stable" at its state of fonts for a while
for me, that is
 
This is still 37...
 
over reboots and point release updates to 38
I skipped 37, so it could have started there for me
 
I need to update it, apparently.
 
I recommend not upgrading until 38.sadfsdfs-2 is available
there are a bunch of segfaults and rendering problems, also it can force you to delete your profile
 
3:50 PM
I'm on 38.0.2125.101
 
Supposedly 38 fixes the compose key. That's reason enough to put up with routine segfaults...
 
I wonder about that
 
no segfaults for me, but one of my tabs extensions reliably dies
 
@slm I'm confused. Downvotes are not free.
 
they enabled HiDPI support just to disable it again
@FaheemMitha on questions, thats it
 
3:52 PM
@FaheemMitha Q DV are. A DV are not, but they are refunded if the A is deleted
 
But the top voted question suggests they were made so in 2011.
Oh, question downvotes are free? Didn't know that. I guess I so rarely downvote...
 
the package is a mess, and all maintainers are bickering at Michael because he's pushing large commits and holding back everyone else'
 
@Braiam Wait... there is someone in Debian bickering about something other than systemd? Does that mean normalcy has finally returned?
 
slm
@FaheemMitha On Q's they are
 
@slm Yes, I see.
 
3:55 PM
@derobert apparently
 
slm
did others not realize this? On bad Q's you can DV for free? It's been this way for while
 
Yep. So you can downvote all the write-my-code-for-me questions for free.
Chromium 38 can't be worse than the KDE 4.0 release I ran for a while...
 
slm
I would implore all of you to please do this more often. We already don't vote as much as we could/should but it's an easy way to help push those types of Q's down.
I've noticed too that when a Q like that goes negative beyond a -1 that ppl seem to quickly turn on it and no one A'ers it until it gets cleaned up
 
I'm trice as likely as anyone else to downvote a question, so I know what you are talking about
 
So, i'm messing with a debian build script
 
3:59 PM
i'm pretty liberal with my Q DV
 
i need to find all top level directories inside a specific directory, what is the best way of doing this? find?
I've never used find before, but have recently discovered it is very useful. i'm a slow learner. one new command per decade or so.
find . -maxdepth 1 -type d ...
find src -maxdepth 1 -type d -print
works, kinda
how do i strip off the leading src/?
 
@FaheemMitha cut? Or use -printf (instead of -print), probably
 
@derobert -printf does what? checking...
 
Lets you customize the output from find. I think you can get just name w/o path.
 
oh, i have to give it a format arg.
@derobert I see. thanks.
 
4:08 PM
@FaheemMitha find src -maxdepth 1 -type d -printf '%f\n'
 
find src -maxdepth 1 -type d -printf %f
@casey ah, \n
 
@Braiam btw, appears chromium 38.\d+-2 is available now...
 
if i want to pass the list to a loop, what form do i want that in?
in case anyone cases, i want to replace this...
 
Loop in shell is easiest with newline. But I think you can do \0 (nul) as well.
 
see the override_dh_auto_build bit
@derobert ok, i guess i'll stay with newline. what @casey has?
 
4:12 PM
if you have filenames with embedded newlines, use null endings, otherwise newlines should be fine
 
@FaheemMitha for that, for d in src/*/ should work... no need for find.
@Braiam or not, the BTS has heard of it, but it isn't on my mirror.
Nor is it in incoming.debian.org.
 
@derobert I'm sure it's being build
no, weird, I have it in my mirror
 
Probably just my mirror hasn't sync'd yet.
buildd.debian.org/status/… ... build already happened ~6 3/4 hrs ago
 
@derobert that's probably better, thanks.
 
4:28 PM
Well, upgraded. First thing I notice is that it won't sign in to Google. Nice...
Also, it's sluggish. And the compose key STILL doesn't work.
 
@slm losing rep isn't an issue. i'm just not big on downvoting. apparently, a controversial stance. Gilles has described it as "anti-social".
 
slm
what as anti-social?
DV'ing?
 
@derobert API keys missing, known bug, bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748867
solved, then broke, then today
I'm not sure if anyone would like this? shirobon.bandcamp.com/album/golden-apples-remastered
 
@derobert:
for d in src/*/
do
echo $d
done
 
slm
@Braiam not so much but the arcade dream is similar to alex roe's chrono ark and I like listening to that while I work
 
4:37 PM
still gives src/something. am i doing something wrong?
@derobert I don't necessarily object to write-my-code questions. I post them on occasion myself. It's just they are often so moronic.
The "for d in src/*/" syntax presumably has a name. I think I might even have known it at one point. Can someone remind me?
 
@slm well, there's this as well
 
ah, i'm calling sh, maybe that makes a difference?
apparently not
 
@FaheemMitha Yeah, it'll give src/something if there is a src/something directory... If you don't want the prefix, you'd do something like cd src; for d in */; do
@Braiam I'm beginning to think the solution is to just download Chrome from the Google repo. As a side bonus, you get working Netflix too...
 
@derobert ah, ok. i guess it was working correctly.
 
@FaheemMitha Yeah. Or just pass the name through e.g., cut -d/ -f2-
 
4:44 PM
@derobert heh, nah, is the packaging that is sucking hard
 
@derobert i think there is some wacky bash feature that will strip off the leading stuff.
 
I installed Chrome from the Google repo on my TV PC, for Netflix.
@FaheemMitha Yeah, there is, one of its variable expansion thingies
 
What is the problem with chromium. I heard rumors of jessie breakage. is that it?
 
I'd have to look it up. Personally, when I start wanting those, I go change the top line of the script from #!/bin/bash to #!/usr/bin/perl ...
 
apparently video playing stopped working. something to do with keys
google keys?
@derobert i'm a little handicapped, cos i don't know perl. since this is a two-liner in a rules file, i'll stay with shell, i think
 
4:46 PM
@FaheemMitha API keys, check my link above
 
how does the cut -d/ -f2- thing work?
@Braiam mm, ok
 
@FaheemMitha field delimiter /, second field to end of line
 
well, i can see they're in a hurry to fix it.
@casey Don't follow, but let me have a think
 
@derobert getting chromium from wheezy would be an option.
that one is not much behind. 37
 
4:49 PM
@FaheemMitha -d specifies the character that separates your fields, -f selects which field(s) you want
 
which means, separating by the slashs (/), the second fields onwards, right casey?
haven't used cut that much.....
 
@Braiam yes, that particular cut will print everything after the first slash to the end of line
 
@FaheemMitha anthony@Zia:~$ var=foo/bar anthony@Zia:~$ echo ${var#foo/} ... bar
 
just interpreting
@derobert no formatting in multiline, if you want <code> use 4 spaces indentation
 
@Braiam yep, but then I can't reply to a specific message AFAIK.
 
4:52 PM
@casey example usage?
 
➜  ~  echo "1/2/3/4/5" | cut -d/ -f2-
2/3/4/5
@FaheemMitha ^
 
% cut -d/ -f2- <<< 'first/second/third/fourth/last'
second/third/fourth/last
 
@Braiam thanks
 
Well, ran out of time to find a way to make that reasonable. Chat.SE, you win this time.
 
@casey oh, i see. i need a pipe or redirect.
 
4:54 PM
@casey heh
@derobert will tell that to balpha
 
echo ${var#*/} would work too
 
he would be glad
 
@Braiam balpha?
 
@FaheemMitha yes, cut is an old school unix tool that expects input on stdin and outputs on stdout so you can create a pipeline to do everything
 
so, which of these are portable? i think debian frowns on bashisms in debian/rules. though i could be wrong. debian has so many rules, eventually you start imagining them.
 
4:56 PM
cut isn't a bashism, its an executable
 
/bin/sh is not bash on Debian.
 
@FaheemMitha the developer behind Chat Stack Exchange and the markdown we use elsewhere
 
distributed with GNU coreutils
 
Well, at least not by default, since I think Squeeze, or maybe Wheezy
 
4:57 PM
@derobert it's dash
@casey ok
 
Yep. So you can't use bash-isms in a debian/rules, well, unless you tell make to use /bin/bash as its shell. And if you want to do that:
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Q: How can I use bash syntax in Makefile targets?

FrankI often find bash syntax very helpful, e.g. process substitution like in diff <(sort file1) <(sort file2). Is it possible to use such bash commands in a Makefile? I'm thinking of something like this: file-differences: diff <(sort file1) <(sort file2) > $@ In my GNU Make 3.80 this will giv...

 
that 3 min timeout is tres annoying. unless it is a 2 min timeout
 
To some extent it makes sense, it'd be bad if people could edit their chat messages from, say, yesterday. Probably would make sense to allow editing if its still on-screen... but of course "on-screen" is not well-defined.
 
anyone else here using irccloud?
 
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