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Answered first question after a hiatus. Answering simple unresearched --answers-- questions is not what I want to spend my time here doing...
crap i need to learn to format
i give up. why am i trying to lineout a mistake insteadf of delete it...
 
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AIQ
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02:21
@M.A.R. Oh that was one of my previous mentors - I was telling him how I don't meet many of these "minimum requirements". And he said "hell with that, apply to everything you like, if they call you, tell them how you have those skills that they need even if you don't have a 'relevant position' mentioned in the requirements." So he told me to be more assertive ... like don't wait for people to write out a job requirement that fits you, go convince them that they need you ...
That is great motivational talk - would definitely work for me in basketball or martial arts - but I don't really have good enough skills at the professional level ...
oh shit here I go again with that negative self-appraisal ...
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@EddieKal That's morally authoritarian. To affect someone's livelihood because of their beliefs goes against the essence of freedom.
@GWarner three dashes, not two
@AIQ I think job hunting looks like that in Canada and the US, yes. Go watch Nightcrawler.
You need to be more of a capitalist.
@EddieKal heh, things like Trump are the result of an exploitably weak morale in the society. Those things appear often a generation after a gruelling war when people have started to wonder if being a self-centered arsehole is a happier life than working for the collective good. The only thing most people agree Trump has and might come up as the only enviable trait in some discussions with some people is his blind confidence.
You gotta pick your fights, there are people who you do NOT want to praise you. It'd be really depressing for me if Trump praises me.
@M.A.R. The problem with this line of argument is it automatically excludes itself
06:04
My point is, there should be clear lines in the law of exhibiting discriminatory behavior. A cancer drug would have been developed faster and safer if it were not for the sexist culture of the company? There should be repercussions.
But to punish someone for what's in their head is exactly what democracies at least pretend to care about.
By the same token when you define something as "moral authoritarianism" don't you think that already constitutes a "conceptual authoritarianism"?
I dunno what those are. They're just big words I say.
AIQ
AIQ
Wow you guys never can keep something at a basic English level ... damn
People were being persecuted for their supposed beliefs in Germany at 1930s. It wasn't what they did. That's the red line for me. You don't punish someone because they made a sexist joke.
Just like you shouldn't punish someone just because you suspect they might harbor anti-Islamic sentiment. And given Islamic history, I highly doubt being a nonbeliever used to be a capital offense.
@M.A.R. No the opposite led to those things.
When you say something terrible or do something terrible there is no consequences, you get Trump
Trump is a perfect example.
How many people have there been who said on tape that no matter what Trump does or says they will still vote for him?
06:10
Doing terrible things shouldn't be without punishment.
The media exists for a reason
If people just said terrible things, they'd be the drama bombs we see in the society today. Mostly useless people that cannot accept their responsibility for their failure.
I am just going to say this and I am going to take a bow
Sure man, agree to disagree. These are two colliding viewpoints with subtle differences.
In a lot of situations if you insist "It is just a joke!" and you forcefully make it possible that people who say terrible things can get away with them
Then it is always some people, people who are victimized, hurt, or otherwise affected by those things, that will be "punished"
Even in today's society, even when there are consequences for saying terrible things, those people still get hurt, they still get the short end of the stick
06:14
@EddieKal As another example, if incels were just angsty basement dwellers on the internet nobody would have given a flying f. And most people didn't. But then there was outright violence, shootings . . .
The internet is unhinged, and some sort of control seems very necessary at this point. But that issue is orthogonal to this one.
Without consequences? I know people women who nearly killed themselves because of constant sexist jokes
And I can right now find you numerous news examples of girls who actually committed suicide because of bad jokes or harassment
@EddieKal And once that effect is demonstrated, tangible harm is detected and the society has come to harm.
There's a difference between kicking me out of the internet because I blurted out "women can't cook" and the so-called comedians out there that'd make a career out of making fun of women, or men.
@M.A.R. How do you kick anybody out of the internet
No I'm just saying
If someone growled at someone else at work that happened to be a woman they shouldn't fear consequences.
That's not what I'm seeing. I'm seeing Aziz Ansari's career impacted because a random self-proclaimed female on the internet said there was sex she didn't enjoy but didn't say anything about.
@M.A.R. The things comedians are able to say are amazing. I like more than half of them. Even the one that have said terrible things are still doing fine. Like that German comedian who hinted at a connection between Muslims and goat-fucking. That was racist AF. And he got a lot of support
06:21
Or Je Suis Charlie, which still chafes me.
So . . . I'm no governor of anything, and it's either this set of beliefs that I think sound reasonable. That, or most of the criticism of human rights is hypocritical BS except for a few instances in Saudi Arabia or China.
@M.A.R. I liked Ansari fine. I don't know the details. I wouldn't boycott him before knowing more.
Because what's exactly happened and is happening in Iran, for example, is Baha'i people are discriminated against but it's not because of what they did.
It's because of some sort of conjured up moral setting, of course. And if we punish people who do not share our values it'd be the same "violation of human rights".
@M.A.R. I am not following. How did we get to Saudi Arabia and China again?
Trying to explain in the latter messages up there.
From Charlie Hebdo? So freedom of speech in the case of Je suis Charlie, in your opinion, is justified or not?
No? Because they did something?
06:29
Say, by modern standards, imposing Christianity on children is abhorrent. Why is imposing political correctness any different? It's still a set of moral values. Punishing people for not upholding those values as a means of social control only makes sense if their belief has caused tangible harm, just like, say, vandalism of public property would.
@EddieKal Charlie Hebdo mocked the prophet and some core Islamic beliefs after the attack. They offended one and a half billion people and people cheered them for it because they were victims.
@M.A.R. Exactly
This is precisely the mentality of positive discrimination.
@M.A.R. No it is the result of people not understanding and not caring about things beyond their own life circles
@M.A.R. If you consider what "political correctness" really is, fundamentally, historically and socially, a lot interesting things are in there too
"It is wrong to kill people" for example
Most people in the modern world teach their children or impose if you like, "It is wrong to kill people"
That is political correctness too
@EddieKal yes, sure, but its essence is "let the people who've been wronged take the reigns and do wrong to their [oppressors]"
It is absolutely politically incorrect to go on TV and say "The refugees? Let them starve to death"
I don't see a lot of people railing against that piece of political correctness, why?
06:34
Because
in English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room, Aug 17 at 19:42, by M.A.R.
I mostly don't have any skin in the game, I just think these things shift progressivism from being a simple act of kindness to a political stance or a soon-to-fade zeitgeist, both of which can easily be argued against, unlike being nice. So it ultimately hurts those minorities
Coincidentally, I was ranting about the overrepresentation of the underrepresented there as well.
Political correctness is a fake-ass idea
which I am very much against
Because that piece of political correctness is from "the other team".
America's in a unique situation right now. We maybe could have a European context in mind because they're the saner folks in the house at the moment.
@M.A.R. I very much doubt that.
Heh, the European countries that don't make the news then.
@M.A.R. Sure that sounds more interesting
@M.A.R. My point was Trump has said terrible things and should've faced consequences long ago. A better solution (almost any solution is better than status quo) is fire his ass and put a new person in the WH (I am not too enthusiastic about Trump's prospective successor either)
07:14
@EddieKal AFAIK (I have never truly tried to figure him or his history out) he was always just an overly confident clown that everyone sneered at but this seems to have given him an aura of confidence.
 
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