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S.R.I

01:14

@JudeNiroshan that's the idea behind an about.me page. You can look for more info on about.me

Damkerng T.

03:35

@user62015 What @userr2684291 said. :-)

CowperKettle

> Omsk Refinery starts construction of a state-of-the art facility for loading petroleum products into tank cars

(a headline)

I always have trouble with translating this word, "modern" in Russian

Jude Niroshan

@M.A.R. @QuokMoon yesterday I bought knowdeveloperjude.co.uk domain. I need to learn about AWS cloud servers and configure this domain name to my website. Hope to publish my website asap. :)

CowperKettle

Editors love to put this "modern" before each new plant, facility, etc.

I hope "state of the art" is an okay translation

Jude Niroshan

Good Morning to everyone here! :)

CowperKettle

@JudeNiroshan - hey, Jude! Don't let it down! (I mean, the website!)

Good morning (0:

Jude Niroshan

03:46

@CowperKettle hehe.. yeah, sure

CowperKettle

@JudeNiroshan You will promote your programming services there?

QuokMoon

@JudeNiroshan (y) Web page not found.:D

Jude Niroshan

yeah, I haven't configured it yet. I will do it tonight

@CowperKettle basically, I will make softwares for free. My main focus is to get to know businessmen from europe

If you are one of them, feel free to reach to me :D

I mean, what I want in my life is to migrate to an european country. Therefore, I need to have good contacts with people out there. This is an initiative to that ultimate goal

I also want to invest on businesses, as I have some money which i can afford for that

CowperKettle

04:09

@JudeNiroshan I'm a dirt poor freelance translator, and I'm about 50 kilometers east of Europe. I sometimes get on my bicycle and travel to Europe. I mean, to Mount Azov near Polevskoy. But Polevskoy is a very poor town, poorer than Yekaterinburg.

@JudeNiroshan This is a good goal! I wish you luck

user178049

09:05

ell.stackexchange.com/questions/13255/… So this is a cannonical post #2, do we have a cannonical post #1?

userr2684291

@user178049 Know what I find confusing about @StoneyB's explanation? Eventualities. A dictionary I consulted defines it as "possibilities". Perfect constructions don't introduce possibilities, do they? I think that's inaccurate. They simply introduce some facts about the past. Still, they're facts, there's nothing tentative about their actuality. (I wonder if tentative actuality would be the usual way to describe this.)

user178049

@userr2684291 I think what he means by eventualities is outcome, which is the result that constitutes in the current state.

Well, I think. I'll comment on the post to confirm it.

M.A.R.

@user178049 #1 is, I think, "should I trust my spell-checker?"

With a title:canonical search, you might find it

@userr2684291 Eventuality is grammar mood talk

Linguistic jargon

BBL reading something

user178049

@M.A.R. Oh yes, I found it.

userr2684291

09:22

@M.A.R. That's what I thought, but I can't find a definition of that term that would make sense in that context.

@user178049 Constitutes? That's a rather unorthodox use of the word.

user178049

09:38

@userr2684291 why? O_o

userr2684291

09:51

@user178049 Because I've never seen it used that way before. I believe it's always used transitively, for starters.

QuokMoon

Hey please suggest good books for Phrases and Idioms.

M.A.R.

@QuokMoon Hmm, I dunno what books are available in your region, but I had a Longman dictionary of idioms or similar

Don't remember the full name

user178049

@userr2684291 Oh yes, it should be "constitute the current state"

@QuokMoon McGraw-Hill's Dictionary of Idioms.. I think

I don't think I spell it right

QuokMoon

http://www.amazon.in/Longman-Dictionary-Contemporary-English-DVD-ROM/dp/1408215330
You mean this one ?

@user178049 no worry I will figure out :D

M.A.R.

@QuokMoon No, that's LDOCE

That's a normal dictionary

user178049

10:03

@QuokMoon It's McGraw-Hill's Dictionary of American Idioms :-)

M.A.R.

@user178049 Right, McGraw Hill

For some reason I thought it was Longman

QuokMoon

@M.A.R. ok I think they should published international copy .

Here it's what I found a soft copy of this book .Sound like a piracy I am doing.
http://english4success.ru/Upload/books/959.pdf

user178049

10:20

@QuokMoon My English books are all downloaded.. LOL.

QuokMoon

10:33

I would rather read a hard copy of any books and fortunately thanks to be a part of library it's not so far by my home.

user178049

I like soft copy because it's easier for me to search for a word. And also I don't have any choice here, in Malaysia, it's really hard to get a book published by Cambridge or Oxford or Longman.

userr2684291

11:02

@user178049 Aw, you poor little pirate.

user178049

@userr2684291 HAHA!

user62015

11:18

He ought to go now ——?
(A)ought he (B)oughtn’t he (C)oughtn’t to he (D)didn’t he @DamkerngT. @M.A.R. @Man_From_India I think c but Answer key says b

userr2684291

@user62015 The Answer Key is correct.

user62015

But we always use ought to

userr2684291

@user62015 Cool.

user62015

I think option C is old English and B is modern English

userr2684291

11:33

@user62015 You should publish that on your blog: spurious-facts-about-english.com.

@user62015 At any rate, the modern way would be to use shouldn't he.

user62015

But ought to is correct use

I think

userr2684291

@user62015 Why are you asking if you think you know the answer (even though you're obviously clueless) and won't budge?

:>

user50763

12:12

how do you do ?

user62015

@snailplane Please help me

He ought to go now ——?
(A)ought he (B)oughtn’t he (C)oughtn’t to he (D)didn’t he @DamkerngT. @M.A.R. @Man_From_India I think c but Answer key says b

Anonymous

Oughtn't to he doesn't seem grammatical in any sentence.

Anonymous

And as far as I'm aware it was never grammatical.

user62015

@snailplane Hi

Are you with me? @snailplane

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/oughtn-t

forum.wordreference.com/threads/…

oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/ought-to @snailplane I am confused now.

Anonymous

12:45

The problem isn't to, it's the word order.

Anonymous

Ought to is not an auxiliary verb. Ought is an auxiliary verb.

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CowperKettle

I found closely corresponding sonnets by Shakespeare (sonnet 48) and Millay (sonnet 11)

> Thee have I not locked up in any chest,
Save where thou art not, though I feel thou art,
Within the gentle closure of my breast,
From whence at pleasure thou mayst come and part.
(Shakespeare)

Anonymous

When you invert it with a subject, to does not move with it.

CowperKettle

> Love in the open hand, no thing but that,
Ungemmed, unhidden, wishing not to hurt,
As one should bring you cowslips in a hat
Swung from the hand, or apples in her skirt.
(Millay)

\o

Anonymous

He ought to becomes ought he to. It does not become *ought to he.

user178049

12:55

@userr2684291 "An 'eventuality' may be a state or an event; a prior eventuality is an eventuality which occurs before Reference Time. See 3.1.3." – StoneyB

userr2684291

14:36

@user178049 ell.stackexchange.com/tags/tense/info I found the definition here.

userr2684291

14:53

@user178049 I've just read the whole thing... and damn.

Well, the meaning is, despite being unwarrantedly obscured by linguistic gobbledygook, with some perseverance, penetrable.

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 Classic Stoney

You're not the first to have realized he uses a range of terminology that's really rare among English speakers

user178049

I have never known that ELL have great stuff like that, damn.

@userr2684291 gobbledygook that is a beautiful word.

userr2684291

@user178049 Hehe.

@user178049 I honestly don't know a better single-word term for abstruse jargon.

Man_From_India

@snailplane yes, I agree. But the problem is throughout the internet you would find that ought to is a modal verb. Btw how are you doing these days?

user178049

@userr2684291 Yeah, while I even have to Google the abtruse O_O

userr2684291

15:03

@user178049 It means "arcane". (:

(Inscrutable, impenetrable, obscure.)

Man_From_India

@user62015 what snailplane said. There is an excellent answer on ELL on this topic. Here you go.

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A: Using "ought" in a question: "Ought I celebrate?" or "Do I ought to celebrate?"

Do I ought to is non-standard and is never found in formal writing or speech; it may be found occasionally in informal speech, but even there it is dialectal or sub-standard. Ought is in most respects a modal auxiliary verb like must, can and may, and shares with them the following characteristi...

user178049

@userr2684291 Least I know obscure, yay!

Anonymous

15:31

@userr2684291 Better and single-word are often enemies.

Anonymous

@Man_From_India I'm doing okay :-)

M.A.R.

Morning @Snail! How're you doing?

userr2684291

15:51

@user178049 You dropped at.

@snailplane Yeah, but I was talking relatively.

Anonymous

@userr2684291 Yep. Which is a thing that can be done informally :-)

userr2684291

@snailplane Hm, yeah, you're right.

@snailplane What about (As) Soon as... – is this a common one?

Damkerng T.