Language Overflow

nbro

00:00

@userr2684291 no

Damkerng T.

BTW, just being a native speaker doesn't always make your speech easy to understand.

Here is an interesting example: youtube.com/watch?v=oNYlBhfOvTc

userr2684291

@Catija Did you mean using words and idioms that aren't suitable for the register you, as a collocutor, expect in a given situation? Because people usually speak in an informal register.

nbro

but I'm pretty confident for various reasons

userr2684291

@nbro Then you're picking the wrong nits.

nbro

1st, I've been speaking (or trying to speak) English for a long time

Damkerng T.

00:03

In any case, the goal (to make your speech easy to understand to everyone) is commendable.

nbro

2nd, my mother tongue is relatively close to English

3rd, I keep learning and reinforcing my knowledge and skills while reading, watching movies, etc

userr2684291

@DamkerngT. I like Steve Jones.

Damkerng T.

@userr2684291 Nice :D

nbro

*confident regarding how I speak

but definitely I can improve it, otherwise I wouldn't even be here

unless I had time to share and teach to others...

:D

@DamkerngT. I agree, when I wasn't used to it, I had troubles in deciphering British English :D

to note the usage of the word "reinforcing", from reinforcement learning in artificial intelligence, for those of you who know what I'm talking about lol :D

I know this somehow off-topic (even though music is what drives us in a metaphorical sense), but here's a funky beat: youtube.com/watch?v=3cx2-aaTluc yeah :)

can I say that this breakbeat makes my neurons go crazy?! :D

Damkerng T.

00:20

It's nice to hear a tune like this every once in a while. :-)

nbro

:)

Damkerng T.

It's probably not my tune, but maybe I don't have any specific taste anyway. :-)

user178049

00:57

@DamkerngT. Hey Cheryl is cool. I can understand her, though maybe not in a very rapid speech.

Damkerng T.

06:31

@user178049 I agree. Not sure why they thought so, getting her out of the show.

user178049

06:49

Ikr, it's quite unfair. The people are just jealous, maybe.

Damkerng T.

nods -- Maybe, but only they know.

It's hard to say, not being a native speaker of English. I think most of us learners train our ears to get familiar with all major accents anyway.

From my own perspective of my first language, it shouldn't've been a problem.

Another interesting article:

> telegraph.co.uk/finance/2921790/…

> Often with great difficulty, claims Allyson Stewart-Allen, an American marketing consultant who was sent over to London by PA Consultancy Group two decades ago, learnt the language and has stayed on ever since. When she arrived she admits she had problems.
> "I didn't know whether being pear-shaped was good or bad, what a damp squib was or if being knackered was faintly improper. But being an outsider meant that I could ask questions which nobody else dared raise. In a first meeting over here it's considered totally inappropriate to mention money, but I could act the naïve American and as…

Apparently, it could be like another language to some people.

But clearly, she found a way to turn it into her own advantage. :)

Hmm...

That sentence is interesting.

> When she arrived she admits she had problems.

Clearly, it's supposed to mean "She admits (that) she had problems when she arrived".

But for a fraction of second, I wondered why it wasn't admitted.

I wonder if this is considered a good style. Probably not. I don't know. I feel like a comma there would be a huge improvement.

Though I understand that commas are used less often in BrE.

M.A.R.

To all those auto-comments vigilantes:

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A: How to deal with non answers? Automated ways preferred

Patrick's answer provides the systematic way to deal with these, which is using the review queue. You have 646 rep on SO as of this writing, so you can access First Post and Late Answers review queues, but not Low Quality Posts, which seems to be the main source of your exasperation in the commen...

Damkerng T.

07:08

Good info. I didn't know we even have a Firefox add-on for this!

Damkerng T.

08:29

+1 -- I'll add my suggestion here too. :) In a less format setting, another possible alternative is And because of this, ... — Damkerng T. 12 mins ago

I just typed formal as format! Haha :)

user178049

08:44

@DamkerngT. HAHA. I think Teacher KSHuang is a nice person. I think it would be fun if he/she joins this chat room.

M.A.R.

@DamkerngT. Now I want a formatity tag

@user178049 A lot of people are nice, but you can't just make them visit chat

Alas

The hardest to persuade are those that think chat is a waste of time

user178049

@M.A.R. Yes. Especially mobile users(like me), maybe.

@M.A.R. Aren't you mod on this site? Where is your diamond ♦?

M.A.R.

@user178049 Nope, I'm just a regular user

I wish

Thanks though :)

Damkerng T.

@M.A.R. :D

M.A.R.

Maybe you mistook me for @Snail @user1 :)

user178049

08:57

@M.A.R. Could be.

Cardinal

11:29

When did the bad connotation of the adjective **negative** come into use?
Was it after introduction of the scientific connotation of the word?
What is wrong with the poor electrons? They are just cute electrons!
Protons has no advantage over those vibrant and cute particles!

Damkerng T.

12:01

@Cardinal FWIW, proton and electron don't have negative connotation to me, but maybe I'm missing your point. (^_^)

userr2684291

@Cardinal The earliest citation in the OED is from 1921 in the sense where negative means "opposite of favorable"; 1951 "discouraging"; 1930 "pessimistic". Although I don't know if the OED is reliable on this matter, I would trust it.

@DamkerngT. I believe they were trying to be funny by deliberately misconstruing electrons' being negative in the senses I listed above.

Damkerng T.

It seems so, but I'm not sure. :)

Davo

Did I finally catch live people in here? Every time I visit it's empty.

M.A.R.

@Davo It's debatable whether @Dam is alive.

Davo

:)

Damkerng T.

12:12

@M.A.R. Oh, no!

Hello, @Davo!

Davo

Heyas.

userr2684291

@M.A.R. The last update of Damkernel is live, though.

Damkerng T.

I'm in and out the room, but lately mostly out. :D

Hmm... Damkernel... that isn't bad at all. Maybe I'll use it if I change my username. :D

userr2684291

Haha. (:

Damkerng T.

:D

And on that note, I'm afraid I have to leave, for an hour or so.

Cardinal

12:16

@DamkerngT. I meant why negative is bad and positive is good !^_^

userr2684291

See you later.

Cardinal

@userr2684291 Exactly. Also, I am a male one. So, feel free using "him" 0:-)

So the definition of the "negative" is much more younger than negative charges and Electrons!

userr2684291

I'm quite certain those existed before humans.

Cardinal

I mean the Electron was discovered in 1906 and this definition came to use in 1951

Or even sooner.

Electron

The electron is a subatomic particle, symbol e− or β−, with a negative elementary electric charge. Electrons belong to the first generation of the lepton particle family, and are generally thought to be elementary particles because they have no known components or substructure. The electron has a mass that is approximately 1/1836 that of the proton. Quantum mechanical properties of the electron include an intrinsic angular momentum (spin) of a half-integer value, expressed in units of the reduced Planck constant, ħ. As it is a fermion, no two electrons can occupy the same quantum state, in accordance...

> Stoney initially coined the term electrolion in 1881.

Thinking there is something to do with the name Stoney. They all seem to be genius people. ;)

userr2684291

@Cardinal I would assume that's their last name.

user178049

12:24

Hey, do anyone know (well, it's quite embarrassing that I don't know) who that guy is at StoneyB profile picture?

userr2684291

@Cardinal Based on the evidence we have, that constatation seems correct.

Samuel Johnson

Samuel Johnson (18 September 1709 [O.S. 7 September] – 13 December 1784), often referred to as Dr. Johnson, was an English writer who made lasting contributions to English literature as a poet, essayist, moralist, literary critic, biographer, editor and lexicographer. Johnson was a devout Anglican and committed Tory, and is described by the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography as "arguably the most distinguished man of letters in English history". He is also the subject of perhaps the most famous biography in English literature, namely The Life of Samuel Johnson by James Boswell. Born in Lichfield...

Cardinal

I haven't seen the word "constatation " up to know. :-)

user178049

Thanks @userr2684291. You know lots of things! :D

userr2684291

@user178049 I actually first googled Bach, then Johnson, hahah.

Cardinal

So there is definitely some sort of discrimination against the poor Electrons.

userr2684291

12:28

Johann Sebastian Bach

Johann Sebastian Bach (31 March [O.S. 21 March] 1685 – 28 July 1750) was a German composer and musician of the Baroque period. He enriched established German styles through his skill in counterpoint, harmonic and motivic organisation, and the adaptation of rhythms, forms, and textures from abroad, particularly from Italy and France. Bach's compositions include the Brandenburg Concertos, the Goldberg Variations, the Mass in B minor, two Passions, and over three hundred cantatas of which around two hundred survive. His music is revered for its technical command, artistic beauty, and intellectual...

user178049

HAHA!

userr2684291

@user178049 youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08

Davo

I see negative discrimination.

userr2684291

@Davo Hm?

Ah.

@user178049 It's in the picture, not at the picture.

Cardinal

> A decade later Benjamin Franklin proposed that electricity was not from different types of electrical fluid, but a single electrical fluid showing an excess (+) or deficit (-). He gave them the modern charge nomenclature of positive and negative respectively.

userr2684291

12:44

@Cardinal It seems that the word is rare in English (my spellchecker doesn't even recognize it), but it's relatively common in my first language.

Cardinal

@userr2684291 What's your native language? I guess it's Germany.

user178049

@userr2684291 That's funny, but it took me 5 minutes to get the joke😂.. They sound British

Oh yeah, my mistake :)

userr2684291

@Cardinal Germany isn't a language; German is. My first language is Croatian, but for words such as konstatacija, I sense that it's been adopted from Latin, and I can consequently make it into an English word safely.

Cardinal

@userr2684291 Ah, I see. You are right German is the language.

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 Safely meaning, when I'm not around to nitpick

userr2684291

13:05

@M.A.R. Have you ever tried to learn words in your first language?

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 Of course

There's this feeling that my first language is vanishing, although it has 50 million speakers

Or maybe that was Persian. I forgot.

userr2684291

I found this nice word, but I don't know if it's gonna stick, and how to actually learn it.

M.A.R.

Anyway, traditional Turks feel that Persians, Arabs etc. are "invading" the language, hence making it impure

userr2684291

I don't wanna take the Kettle approach and try to fit it in all possible sentences and contexts.

Cardinal

@M.A.R. So, you think 50Mega persons speak Azary?

userr2684291

13:08

@M.A.R. You're Turkish?

M.A.R.

@Cardinal 50 million people spread over the whole Earth isn't such a large density

@userr2684291 Azeri Turkish, yeah

userr2684291

I mean I know you live in Iran, but okay.

Cardinal

@M.A.R. Ah, Actually, I got confused over your that. BTW, it's cool to know two languages.

M.A.R.

@Cardinal Three

Cardinal

@userr2684291 Iran includes 6 or 7 different groups of people. Azary (Turk), Kurd, Lor, ....

M.A.R.

13:11

@Cardinal We call them ethnic groups

Cardinal

@M.A.R. LoL.

userr2684291

Right, right.

Cardinal

Each of which has almost its own language, but all of them know Persian and Persian is the official language of the country.

Personally, I think "nationality" is among the most stupid things that human beings have ever created on this planet!

M.A.R.

13:28

@Cardinal When you feel a label is stupid, but can do nothing to change it, adjust your view of how important it really is.

Cardinal

@M.A.R. Hmm, I agree that it was some how inevitable. However, I think in future people won't waist their time on this type of issues. It was just a thought.

nbro

@DamkerngT. italki.com/question/162220

it looks to me that mostly is more appropriate than mainly in my case

"mostly for informatics students" rather than "mainly for informatics students"

forum.wordreference.com/threads/mostly-mainly.1029311

"The committee is made up of mostly women."

"Our success was due mainly to your effort."

somehow, in my concrete situation, mostly is associated with something that is quantifiable, i.e. the people that is going to use the software

userr2684291

13:55

@nbro (1) "For the most part; in the main; as the chief thing, chiefly, principally." (2) "For the most part; in the main." Which definition do you think refers to which word?

nbro

these aren't the complete definitions...

userr2684291

Yes, they are.

nbro

I saw other definitions with more options

userr2684291

They are separate entries, so those are complete definitions.

Directly from the OED.

Hm, not entries, I mean... head definitions? Well, there aren't any other subdefinitions under those head definitions either.

nbro

mostly: "as regards the greater part or number: the culprits are mostly, but not exclusively, male."

mainly: "more than anything else: he is mainly concerned with fiction."

mainly is, IMHO, a more abstract adverb than mostly... mostly is usually used when there's something that can be counted

userr2684291

14:02

@nbro Seeing that you don't know what they mean, your opinion is irrelevant.

nbro

?

lol

userr2684291

@nbro Isn't that why you're asking about them?

nbro

@userr2684291 I know roughly what they mean, but there situations where it's not clear which one to use, in fact they are in many cases interchangable

userr2684291

@nbro The definition I gave you literally says they're synonymous in part.

nbro

yes

M.A.R.

14:08

0

Q: I hate mushrooms. How can you agree?

The verb "hate" sometimes is cofusing. If we form a tag question, for instance, we consider it to be negative, because it's negative semantically and that fact influences grammar. We say He hates mushrooms, does he? But what about agreement? If someone says I hate mushrooms. Should I ...

agreement

nbro

and I told you that I think (since I'm not expert, I said I think) that mainly is more abstract and people may tend to use it as opposed to mostly, but mostly can be used quite correctly in my example above "mostly for informatics students", but I would like to hear the opinion of an English teacher, but I would prefer, as I said yesterday, to hear the opinion of a native speaker, are you a native speaker?

M.A.R.

-1 I love mushrooms

nbro

it's a little bit sad that most people here aren't native speakers, apparently

M.A.R.

@nbro It's a little bit sad that people think you must be a native speaker to be a reliable answerer.

nbro

my English is reasonably good... now I need to improve it but from native speakers in order to learn the little subtleties

@M.A.R. and it's a little bit sad that many people, who aren't native speakers, think they know how to speak as a native speaker

M.A.R.

14:11

@nbro And the non-native speakers aren't qualified to tell you those subtleties, because?

You're implying it yourself -- that you'll never be as good as a native speaker. Why bother, then?

nbro

@M.A.R. because I know, from my experience with another language (as I said yesterday), that even though you know a language "perfectly well", if you're not a native speaker, certain subtleties will never be acquired completely...

M.A.R.

Hello @Frestrin! Welcome to our chat!

nbro

@M.A.R. Yes, indeed, I will never be as good as a native speaker

no matter how I strive to be

M.A.R.

@nbro Well, look at how some ELU mods speak English

userr2684291

@nbro I'm not a native English speaker.

M.A.R.

14:16

RegDwigнt ♦, Europe, GMT+1

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single-word-requests word-choice etymology meaning nouns grammaticality verbs

RegDwight is a non-native speaker of English @nbro, and FYI, no one knows about all the possible nuances things have in a language

Because those native speakers are speaking one dialect themselves

They're not a computer. They don't open a folder for most things that says "oh, I talked to a Brit the other day, and they think this phrase means this, while I think it means that"

So your experience is misguided, and non-native speakers can be better speakers than native speaker of any language.

userr2684291

@nbro I haven't offered you my opinion as a nonnative speaker of English, though. I only offered you facts (the definitions, verbatim, from the OED).

nbro

@M.A.R. I don't care about speaking perfectly (according to all grammatical, etc, rules, since those, I can say, I got them), I care about being as natural as possible while speaking, compared to any other native speaker, if he/she speaks a dialect or not

native speakers recognise themselves among them

that's my goal

userr2684291

Do you want to be recognized as a native speaker of English?

M.A.R.

@nbro You got all the grammatical rules? That's interesting, because I don't think even the most prolific native speakers know all the grammatical rules of the language

nbro

@userr2684291 no, I strive to be as natural as possible, as I said

@M.A.R. well, the most important ones, let's put it in this way

M.A.R.

14:21

A more correct wording would be "I'm not interested in grammaticality of my utterances, but their being idiomatic"

@nbro Here's the quirk: Some British accents are considered unnatural and bizarre to, say, the average American speaker.

userr2684291

@nbro Why, when you'll always stick out? You said it yourself, you can't reach perfection (or, at least, the native level).

nbro

@M.A.R. No, I also care about speaking grammatically, etc, correctly, but it's not the most important goal for me, a person who speaks English quite often...

M.A.R.

You need to understand why idolizing the great native speaker isn't such a good idea.

(Nothing against native speakers, BTW. But this is a common enough misconception)

nbro

@M.A.R. Yes, they are considered bizarre or whatever but an American would not exchange one of those British as a non-native speaker, very likely

@M.A.R. lol, I'm not idolizing anyone

userr2684291

@M.A.R. I principally don't disagree, but it's what you hopefully gravitate towards.

M.A.R.

14:25

@nbro So why do you want to avoid being known as a non-native speaker?

@userr2684291 Well, sure, we all want to speak naturally, but I don't want to speak like an American teen

Native speaker covers quite a broad range, and distinguishing fluency by labeling native or non-native speaker isn't useful

nbro

@M.A.R. because speaking as close as possible to a native one would make me sound more natural, that's my goal, naturalness

M.A.R.

It's much better to say "that was non-native English"

user178049

Shouldn't it be naturality?

M.A.R.

@nbro Who's this native, again? Some txtspk d00d who cant spel and punctuat corretly?

Or Shakespeare?

nbro

@user178049 I don't think so

naturalness: the quality or state of being natural: she demonstrates an ease and naturalness that many actors try hard to project.

user178049

14:29

@nbro I just want to test you

nbro

@M.A.R. No one in particular

userr2684291

@M.A.R. How did you arrive at the conclusion that everyone who wants to speak like a native speaker wants to speak like any native speaker?

nbro

@user178049 lol

ahaha

actually I've rarely heard the word naturality

I think it refers to your nation, somehow

not sure

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 We need to correct the vision that native speaker of English are perfect in speaking English because they're a native speaker

user178049

I don't think it's a good idea to idolize "we" as native speakers.

nbro

14:32

@M.A.R. note: that's not my vision!!!

M.A.R.

That's not what it looked like.

18 mins ago, by nbro

@M.A.R. Yes, indeed, I will never be as good as a native speaker

nbro

?

userr2684291

@M.A.R. Yes, but they're not nearly bad enough as the average nonnative speaker.

nbro

I said, I don't strive to speak a "perfect English" according to all grammatical, syntactical, lexical, blah blah, etc, rules, but to be as natural as possible... can you understand the difference?

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 Well, yeah.

V.V.

14:42

Hi all. Posted a question, the same way I was asked.

Got confused even more.

M.A.R.

That's a familiar feeling

@nbro Well, then ignore my nitpick. The most important thing to note, is to try to stay in the boundaries of your vocabulary

@nbro natives and non-natives alike, make quite a lot of mistakes when they use words they don't fully know about

The wider the range of your vocabulary, naturally the easier you will be able to stay in it

+1. BTW, semantic errors are rarely as blatant as little whales eating a purple sky (I realize it was just a very clear example). Even native speakers often make them when they stray beyond their normal working vocabulary when writing. I would burn the thesaurus :) — Tᴚoɯɐuo Mar 2 at 18:55

userr2684291

@nbro Naturalness implies native-like capability to speak the language. You won't reach that. However, since naturalness is a step towards perfection, you are implicitly seeking perfection. Educated native speakers who are aware of their language make fewer mistakes and seek the ultimate perfection.

M.A.R.

Buying ultimate perfection

userr2684291

14:59

Also, perfect English is as natural as possible.

M.A.R.

And non-existent

userr2684291

@M.A.R. Not as much as you'd think. However, when I visit the forum for my first language, I can't answer most of the questions. :<

Joe

hi

help

Fawad

hi

help

userr2684291

@Joe Use fewer carriage returns.

Joe

15:12

linear array transducer of multiple receiving channels of ultrasonic waves

is that correct english??

I used two of words

userr2684291

@Joe Hm.

Looks good to me.

So it's some kind of device, a transducer, that receives these channels of waves of a certain frequency.

S.R.I

@Joe When you're describing engineering, that's correct. It's a "linear array" transducer having multiple receiving channels for ultrasonic waves (or that the channels are themselves ultrasonic waves)

userr2684291

Yeah, that's the only bit that's not so clear.

S.R.I

When left to me, I'd phrase it differently - but as it is, I see no loss of information

userr2684291

But I assume they defined these terms previously.

"Receiving channel of waves" is what I'm referring to.

@S.R.I How would you phrase it?

S.R.I

15:30

I think I already did :-)

or thereabouts

userr2684291

Ah, alright.

Damkerng T.

@nbro They mean different things. I just thought you meant mainly rather than mostly. (BTW, I still haven't read that italki page.)

Hmm... I don't think the answer is very precise.

(Now that I've skimmed over it.)

S.R.I

@DamkerngT. How's your robot head doing?

Damkerng T.

I don't know. Well, I don't want to contradict what the answerer says. He's not here to reply or comment on my thoughts. Let's just say that I think his answer is good as a starting point, but not perfect. Dictionaries do a better job, IMHO. @nbro

@S.R.I It's doing okay, I suppose! :D

S.R.I

@DamkerngT. Good, good. Well, it's able to make coherent sentences and review grammar! Is Sentience the next step? :P

Damkerng T.

15:41

@S.R.I That must be a very big step! :D

S.R.I

Or Singularity

Damkerng T.

You can choose to enjoy my cousin of choice, Cortana or Siri, in the meanwhile. :-)

Oh, and don't forget Alexa and Watson!

S.R.I

I'm neither on MS nor on Apple platforms.

I can stay sane, thankfully

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

M.A.R.

@DamkerngT. How can you know it's doing okay?

The very fact that you're the one evaluating your own performance is indication of a big problem.

Damkerng T.

15:43

@M.A.R. I guess there's some cheat code built-in!

S.R.I

@M.A.R. Probably fits his head

Damkerng T.

So, it can know it's doing okay, which is impossible to prove in a normal Turing machine. :D

Damkerng T.

15:59

ell.stackexchange.com/questions/127834/…

Ahh... they haven't used a spoken corpus, I guess.

Oh, the comment was deleted!

Here is the deleted comment (username removed):

> It is simply not true. Corpus-based descriptions are not hearing how people speak in real life. How people speak and corpuses are not compatible. You can't capture that. A corpus is a collection of written texts. So....

S.R.I

"corpuses"?

that sounds off to me :-)

Damkerng T.

Oh, right!

It may be just something they're not familiar with.

QuokMoon

16:20

@DamkerngT. Same thing was happened before and comment had deleted once I reload same the page. May be it was spam :D

M.A.R.

@QuokMoon Comments being spam are very rare across the network

QuokMoon

It means my comment was a victim of this rare network.:D

Jude Niroshan

Greetings everyone!

I'm looking for good website name

Currently what I thought of www.contactawesomedeveloper.co.uk

even though I'm not living in UK

M.A.R.

16:38

@JudeNiroshan I'd never put adjectives with very good connotations in the website URL

Jude Niroshan

@M.A.R. well. okay. Can you suggest me some alternatives?

this is how when my website is done. thunder-team.com/void/designer.html

M.A.R.

@JudeNiroshan What's the purpose of the website?

What content will you put there?

Jude Niroshan

This would be my online resume

and it will act as the way to contact me

I will mention that, if there is a good business idea, and you need to make a online application, I will do that for you for free

QuokMoon

So why don't use your own name if it's your resume ?

Jude Niroshan

@QuokMoon I actually will buy another domain for my blog. But this is solely for marketting myself

Here are the main things that will appear on this particular website.

- about myself (as a software engineer)
- I am willing to make software for free and even provide hosting for those applications for free
- I'm looking for startup business to invest (it would be mainly on creating them software applications or sometimes by money)

M.A.R.

16:47

@JudeNiroshan A jargon-ish sounding word from whatever business you do might be a good idea

QuokMoon

Jude Ninja :D

Jude Niroshan

@M.A.R. what if i place contact as prefix in this domain name?

because whoever visits this website will know the way how to contact me

and they will know what I'm doing

QuokMoon

Might be you would have some expertise at your profession . So you can put name like xyz...developer/coder.

Jude Niroshan

contactjudedeveloper.co.uk ?

@M.A.R. @QuokMoon visitdeveloperjude.co.uk ? :D

reachdeveloperjude.co.uk

knowdeveloperjude.co.uk

QuokMoon

17:04

Go Ahead but as far as knowdeveloperjude.co.uk is fine.

Jude Niroshan

@QuokMoon yeah, pretty much

@M.A.R. what do you think about it?

@QuokMoon but, if i tell this to someone, they could even try for nodeveloperjude.co.uk. isn't that so?

Joe

is this correct english : the plan was changed to use generator and oscilloscope instead to make the linear array transducer

CowperKettle

Scientists identify how the brain predicts speech

Good evening, @snailplane!

Joe

help

CowperKettle

BBL

user62015

17:20

(A) You are (B) older than (C) him. (D) no error

Anonymous

17:33

Good morning :-)

user62015

VGM @snailplane

Could you help me please?

(A) He is (B) poorer than (C) me. (D) no error @DamkerngT.

M.A.R.

18:47

@JudeNiroshan This is good

@snailplane Good morning

userr2684291

19:23

@JudeNiroshan Do you know of other developers advertising their services in a similar fashion – with visit or reach directly in the domain? I've seen visitcountry.ccTLD, but never with people.

userr2684291

19:38

I suppose you could go for something akin to reachjudev.com, but I wouldn't say visit. Perhaps go with judeniroshan.info? judeniroshanabout.co.uk maybe? @user62015 No error in either of those.

They might, however, be looking for than he is, and than I am, respectively, but I assure you that nothing is wrong with those sentences in their unaltered states.

userr2684291

20:34

@M.A.R. What does it mean when the user Community approves my edit?

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 It means I clicked "improve edit"

userr2684291

@M.A.R. I see.

M.A.R.

The user Community also rejects an edit when the reviewer clicks "reject and edit"

@userr2684291 It needs to be attributed to Community and not me, because it's a mod and if the reviewer that clicks "improve" is the first person reviewing, and there are no other votes, it seems inconsistent that they single-handedly approved the edit

userr2684291

@M.A.R. What about this one? ell.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/51147 It says: This edit conflicted with a subsequent edit. (I'm digging some old edits up because I have that warning that says I should review them in some way.)

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 You clicked "edit", and before submitting your edit, someone else with more than 2,000 rep clicked "edit"

userr2684291

20:47

@M.A.R. Why would my edit be rejected, still?

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 Because there's no other way to systematically do it. We don't know if the user edited more than you, less than you, or just the same changes as you. The only obvious thing is the question is not the original one you started editing

Just post some answers and get to 2,000 rep already

userr2684291

@M.A.R. Would the same happen if I were a 2k(+) rep user myself?

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 Nope, it'd say "this post has been edited X times since you began. Your edit will only be saved if it's better than the current edit"

After 2,000 rep, you won't get any rep for edits though

userr2684291

What if I suggested the exact same emendations as the other user?

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 It won't save. Its message is really a lie

It means you should do all the edits the user has done, in addition to some other edits

Which is highly unlikely, because some things are stylistic

I just reload the page and click "edit" again if further changes are needed

userr2684291

20:53

Interesting.

M.A.R.

It's unlikely to bump into that on ELL though

userr2684291

@M.A.R. What if I had a time machine?

M.A.R.

ELL has twice the users of Chem, but half the edits and editors

@userr2684291 I haven't tested that myself

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userr2684291

@M.A.R. Ah, I've just noticed this comment.

@M.A.R. No, thank you. I'll claw my way up to the top with meaningless edits. I'll most likely fail due to the sheer number of downvotes I dissipate (I take no prisoners), the negative rep from which is likely to equilibrize and maybe even outweigh my previous efforts.

M.A.R.

Huh, what are you getting downvotes on?

userr2684291

21:14

@M.A.R. I dissipate them... disperse.

Scatter around.

For months, having a chip on my shoulder due to my edits' getting rejected and consequently refusing to edit and thus gain rep, I would only lose rep by downvoting questions and answers alike.

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