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Damkerng T.

03:06

> There are statements that obviously that she has made that the president doesn't agree with, and that's probably true for a number of the people that the president is recognizing for their lifetime contributions.

Interesting construction!

CowperKettle

@ColleenV Thank you, Colleen!

Damkerng T.

> Fowler called it the "interim that":

"It often happens to a writer to embark upon a substantival that-clause, to find that it is carrying him further than he reckoned, & to feel that the reader & he will be lost in a chartless sea unless they can get back to port & make a fresh start. His way of effecting this is to repeat his initial that. This relieves his own feeling of being lost; whether it helps the inattentive reader is doubtful; but it is not doubtful that it exasperates the attentive reader, who from the moment he saw that has been on the watch for the verb that it tells him to …

CowperKettle

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it asks about industry/context dependent terminology, and is not about learning English. — user3169 1 hour ago

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Sawasdee khrap!

V.V.

03:25

Sawasdee kha.

Minus seven

CowperKettle

minus 22°C

Damkerng T.

Sawasdee and zdorovo khrap!

CowperKettle

Word of the day: termination for cause

Damkerng T.

03:41

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Q: Participle in sentence

When we speak for example Mr. Pitter is in his home now and he will have lunch then he will go for his job. How could be spoken such sentence. "Pitter will take lunch and go for his job" "Pitter will go his job after having lunch" "After having the lunch Pitter will go for h...

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I wish someone had written a post, maybe a meta post, discussing example sentences used in our questions, and telling our learners that they should make sure that their starting sentences are idiomatic, before asking about possible alternatives.

(I know, sentence transformation is a popular kind of exercise in language learning. Maybe in English (as L2) classes in particular.)

Damkerng T.

04:25

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Asian_Month

They're having edit-a-thon this month!

Damkerng T.

04:48

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Q: When answering a question “Do you [...]?”, should I answer “Yes, I do” / ”Yes, I do [...]” or just “Yes”?

Does it depend on a situation (formal/informal)? Is one answer more respectful/submissive/dominant than other? What about an answer to "Are you [...]?" "Yes, I am" / "Yes, I am [...]" or "Yes"? Which one is correct? @ColleenV It's really context dependent. It depends on who is asking you,...

word-order british-english

I'm sure that this is not really a question about English.

It's more about metalinguistic.

And it's probably not really specific to one language.

But it might be useful if an answer discusses why in English, tone (or intonation) is more important than words when it comes to "respectful/submissive/polite/etc."

(And it's already been discussed in comments.)

CowperKettle

05:16

> Filter through a 0.45 µm filter and degas using any appropriate method.

"any suitable method"?

"any convenient method"?

I forgot the stock expression for this

Damkerng T.

05:33

Suitable and appropriate are close, but they're not quite like convenient, I think.

I imagine that any available method might be okay, but I'm not sure if this is the intended meaning in the original.

CowperKettle

05:58

The intended phrase is "convenient", but this is not very important.

So I used "appropriate"

> Section 12: Preparation of the solvent.
Use water as a solvent.

I don't like this "a".

Water will be the only solvent.

Damkerng T.

nods

CowperKettle

But I cannot write "The solvent is water" - that would sound odd.

So let it be "Use water as a solvent"

Damkerng T.

I don't know, but it's a bit odd to read "Use water as a/the solvent" under a section titled "Preparation of the solvent".

I mean, it sounds like "Just use water" is the whole preparation needed.

CowperKettle

Yes

But in the technical instruction world, you find such "preparation sections" now and then.

Damkerng T.

nods

CowperKettle

06:07

> Preparation of the cocktail.
Use water as a cocktail.

> Preparation of the cake.
Use boiled potato as a cake.

Instructions are sometimes bereft of common sense.

Damkerng T.

:D

V.V.

Lol

I would say "add", not "use"

yubraj sharma

07:44

Hi....To ALL !!!

CowperKettle

08:03

Hi

yubraj sharma

Hope You're fine !

I want to Learn about Experiential Construction which just look like causative form. I asked a question in ell.stackexchange.com/questions/109631/…

Are these sentences in experiential construction? 1. "I have had explained about different usage of perfect construction" 2. I had different usage of perfect construction explained. Are both correct?

CowperKettle

08:24

BBC Radio said they mark the centennary of the Battle of the Somme today.

So here is the poem of the day, "Hospital Barge" by Wilfred Owen

> Budging the sluggard ripples of the Somme,
A barge round old Cérisy slowly slewed.
Softly her engines down the current screwed,
And chuckled softly with contented hum,
Till fairy tinklings struck their croonings dumb.
The waters rumpling at the stern subdued;
The lock-gate took her bulging amplitude;
Gently from out the gurgling lock she swum.

> One reading by that calm bank shaded eyes
To watch her lessening westward quietly.
Then, as she neared the bend, her funnel screamed.
And that long lamentation made him wise
How unto Avalon, in agony,
Kings passed in the dark barge, which Merlin dreamed.

Damkerng T.

08:38

@yubrajsharma #1 is not good English. #2 probably doesn't mean what you think it means.

V.V.

Do you understand these sentences?

Damkerng T.

09:04

Food English of the Day: Banoffee pie

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Viewer discretion advised

(But it's funny!)

yubraj sharma

@DamkerngT. Why Not a good English? Isn't it in the experiential construction?

Anonymous

09:21

@yubrajsharma Experiential perfects use the perfect auxiliary have: I have been to New York twice.

Anonymous

There is also a causative construction with lexical have: I'll have my kids do the dishes.

Anonymous

Both use have, but they do not look just like each other.

Anonymous

*I have been explained is simply ungrammatical, and is neither causative nor experiential.

Anonymous

*I have had explained about different usage of perfect construction is also ungrammatical.

Damkerng T.

Yay! @snailplane to the rescue!

Arrowfar

09:37

Good afternoon

@CowperKettle No way, minus 22 C?! I always find it amazing that we are in the exact same time zone yet with so much difference in temperatures.

My GPS coordintes ;)

CowperKettle

@Arrowfar Good afternoon, Arrowfar!

Arrowfar

Hello @CowperKettle! :)

CowperKettle

> These recommended chromatographic conditions are not mandatory and canbe modified when necessary to meet the system suitability test criteria. (I think that may is better)

@Arrowfar I jogged for about 30 min. and it was okay, I only had to wear a couple more socks (0:

and this thing

Balaclava (clothing)

A balaclava, also known as a balaclava helmet or ski mask, is a form of cloth headgear designed to expose only part of the face. Depending on style and how it is worn, only the eyes, mouth and nose, or just the front of the face are unprotected. Versions with a full face opening may be rolled into a hat to cover the crown of the head or folded down as a collar around the neck. The name comes from their use at the Battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War, referring to a town near Sevastopol in Crimea. == History == Traditional balaclavas were knitted from wool. Modern versions are also made from...

Arrowfar

Cool!

It is kind of funny, don't people get scared when someone is running towards them with a ski mask lol?

Just kidding :)

CowperKettle

No, there are a lot of people around bicycling and jogging

When I jogged, a couple of people were walking with Nordic walking sticks in the same park

I had to cry "Track!" when approaching them from behind

And then cry "Thank you!" just in case

Arrowfar

09:53

:)

CowperKettle

Because I was listening to the mp3 player

You can jog throughout the year in Pakistan, that's cool

Arrowfar

Yeah - nods

CowperKettle

Do they really should "Track!!" in the USA, @snailplane?

In Russia, we shout "Lyzhniu!!" which means "give me the track, I'm going to overtake you"

Arrowfar

Story time: When I was very young I went somewhere that was very cold and I had no hand gloves to cover my hands. Temperatures were below 4 C and my mom made me wear socks on my hands to protect them from cold. Later we bought hand gloves.

I looked like a clown :(

CowperKettle

(0:

Arrowfar

09:58

First time I have heard of "Track" in this sense. Nice.

I wasn't familiar with this sense/meaning.

Well, one could shout "Move!" in English but that would be rude I reckon heh.

Hello @Araucaria

Araucaria

10:25

@Arrowfar Hi Arrowfar :)

Hanaa

11:35

@DamkerngT. That's interesting! Yes, i do is never posh or too formal. The intonation indicates formality and not the words.

@CowperKettle In instructions, the imperative form is used instead of the affirmative one.

@CowperKettle It's new for me. I thought you meant the word track itself .

Araucaria

11:58

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A: Can you say "in there"?

Short answer Modern grammars such as the Oxford Modern English Grammars show there to be a preposition, not an adverb. The preposition in cannot take adverb or adverb phrases Complements. It can take other preposition phrases as Complements. For this reason there is no problem using the word the...

Hanaa

12:28

@Araucaria Every dictionary has it's own explanation. However, in general the form in+ there is grammatical. In is a preposition and there is a noun, so it's a compliment rather than adverb of place.

Araucaria

@Hanaa Nice argument. Most modern grammarians don't think of there as a noun, though. It doesn't seem to have very many nouny properties ...

ColleenV

@CowperKettle I would say "On your left!" or "On your right!" to tell them which side I was passing on. Except that I rarely run without being chased, so that's usually what people say to me :)

Hanaa

12:46

@Araucaria Yes, but the explanation of that dictionary is too complicated.

Walk out is a phrasal verb and not a verb + preposition. Prepositions pre-modify nouns and preposition phrades only

Araucaria

@Hanaa That's what people used to think 100 years ago. Things have changed!

:)

Hanaa

@Araucaria Go straight there. Is simply verb adverb noun. Because adverbs modify verbs only.

Araucaria

@Hanaa No my old friend, that won't work. And it's not a good analysis for learners. Think about the fact that we can use prepositions easily as predicative complements or locative complements, but we cannot freely use them as Direct Objects or Subjects.

@Hanaa However, we can use nouns freely as Subjects and Direct Objects.

Hanaa

@Araucaria Yes you are right :)

Araucaria

@Hanaa :)

@Hanaa So, we will have a problem if we try to use there like a noun!:

*There is very beautiful place.

*I don't like there.

Hanaa

12:58

It depends on the sentence and context

Araucaria

@Hanaa Not really. There is a preposition, and you can use it in almost any place where you would use another locative preposition phrase. The point about nouns is that you can freely use them in Subjects and Direct Objects. There is NO noun that we cannot freely use as a Subject! :-) It's a very useful test.

Hanaa

If there modifies a verb, it is considered adverb of place.

So it is not an adverb at all!

Araucaria

@Hanaa No! Not ever! :D

Hanaa

@Araucaria Ok i got it :)

Araucaria

@Hanaa :-) It's strange the first time you think about it. But later it makes good sense. And it's very helpful.

It made me a much better teacher. My students can use these words much better now!

Hanaa

13:05

There are many possibilities means preposition+ verb+adverb + object.

There is beautiful place means preposition+verb+adjective+object.

CowperKettle

@ColleenV Thank you! Oh, you're a jogger too! Nice!

Hanaa

I walked there means. Subject+ verb+ preposition

Araucaria

@Hanaa Yes, exactly right!

Hanaa

But do you mean that there is no predicate in English?

Araucaria

@Hanaa Ah, ok, I hadn't seen those two comments. We have two words there in English. They sound different.

Hanaa

13:13

@Araucaria Really? I will check in google.

Araucaria

The preposition there is always pronounced with a strong vowel. It rhymes with hair. So in my English, it's always pronounced /ðɛ:/. The other word there IS a pronoun, but it has no meaning. It has a weak form, so in British English it rhymes with the word the. In American English it is like the, but with /r/ on the end.

@Hanaa The pronoun there is a meaningless word. It is the word we use as a Subject in existential constructions like:

There are many possibilities

or

There is a problem.

Those sentences mean something like Many possibilities exist

and

A problem exists (which really means "we have a problem!")

The sentence "There is beautiful place" means something like "a beautiful place exists". It cannot mean "that place is a beautiful place"

So the structure of "There are many possibilities" is: Pronoun + verb + noun phrase.

Hanaa

en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/there

Araucaria

But that's a different there from: I walked there. In that sentence there is a meaningful word. It means to that place or in that place.

Hanaa

In oxford dictionary there is no There which functions as pronoun.

Araucaria

@Hanaa Yes, that's the preposition there. unfortunately dictionaries are not good for parts of speech. They are always about 50-60 years out of date ... :(

@Hanaa You need to look at a different page. Give me a second ...

Hanaa

13:24

Ok

Cardinal

Word of the middle day: palimpsest

Araucaria

@Hanaa Nope, you're right. They've got that wrong too ... The pronoun there is what they have as usage number 3.

You can see the difference between pronoun there and preposition there is a sentence like this one:

- There is a castle there.

The first there in that sentence, the pronoun, has no meaning. The second there, the preposition, means at that place

Hanaa

We should search in oxford grammar book rather than it's dictionnary.

I hope i find one online

Damkerng T.

> There's someone walking there, in there!

Me trying to use there :-)

Araucaria

@Hanaa You could look at page 249 of this book here. It's page 257 on the viewer and page 249 of the actual book. :)

Kinzle B

13:36

Hi, fellas!

Araucaria

@DamkerngT. You using there and there too!

@KinzleB Hey KB

Kinzle B

You still busy with your work? :) @Araucaria

Araucaria

Guys, I've got to fly!

Damkerng T.

@Araucaria (^_^)

Araucaria

@KinzleB Yes, I am:(

Damkerng T.

13:37

Hi! @KinzleB

Araucaria

That's why I've got to go

:)

Damkerng T.

@Araucaria Fly safely! ;-)

Araucaria

@DamkerngT. Cioa. Have fun!

Kinzle B

:( Every time I got something to ask, you are about to go.

Hanaa

myenglishpages.com/site_php_files/… @Araucaria

Kinzle B

13:39

@DamkerngT. Hi, evening!

Damkerng T.

Good evening!

Kinzle B

TGI Friday!

Damkerng T.

Haha!

TG I just finished fixing my server!

(Unscrewing cammed-out screws is no fun!)

(But I learned some tricks!)

Hanaa

There grammatically can be one of 3 cases. 1) A pronoun or dummy subject. Example, There is a good job. 2) adverb of place, like in go there.

Kinzle B

what went wrong? @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

13:42

@KinzleB Nothing much, just the fan of the power supply made so loud noises!

Kinzle B

I guess you have never been a good cleaner. :)

Damkerng T.

Oh, I'm like a no-cleaner! :-)

Kinzle B

How's Thailand recently? My guru went there last month to have our satellite contract signed. @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

Congrats!

Hanaa

3) Preposition. Example, the building exists there.

Damkerng T.

13:48

@KinzleB Well, you've probably heard the news.

Kinzle B

spacenews.com/…

Hanaa

@Araucaria i found that it's difficult to decide, in a sentence, if there is a preposition or an adverb. How to distinguish ?

Damkerng T.

@Hanaa I'm sure Araucaria will say there in go there is a preposition, too.

@KinzleB Do you have a plan sending people to Mars, too?

Hanaa

@DamkerngT. No, for me it is an adverb because to go is an action verb. So there modifies it.

Damkerng T.

@Hanaa Try go up or go down. It might be able to convince you a little bit more, that go there is similar.

Anyway, it depends on what grammar framework you're using.

Kinzle B

13:52

@DamkerngT. Not that I know of. Maybe the moon in the next two decades, I guess. We are not as ambitious as Elon Musk. :)

Damkerng T.

Haha!

Hanaa

Whereas in this sentence. Lights occured there. There is a preposition. Occure is a stative verb . It means lights occured at that place.

Kinzle B

Try to think of 'there' as an intransitive preposition. @Hanaa

Hanaa

@KinzleB How?

Kinzle B

@Hanaa http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/102888/

Hanaa

13:56

You shoud give a whole sentence. In addition , go up and go down are informal. We are discussing formal structures .

Damkerng T.

But you'd agree that He went out is a full and complete sentence, right?

Kinzle B

@Hanaa ell.stackexchange.com/questions/10725/… This is the best answer on phrasal verbs.

Damkerng T.

Out is not exactly "how" he went, but it's "where" he went.

Hanaa

@DamkerngT. He went out is a sentence not a verb. He goes up means he went upstaires

Damkerng T.

But you was just asking for a whole sentence. -- confused

go up/down/out/outside/upstairs/there/etc.

Hanaa

14:01

Phrasal verbs never contain there in their structures

Damkerng T.

But like I said, it depends on what grammar framework you choose to use.

Kinzle B

@Hanaa I recommend you read Bas Aarts: books.google.com/books?isbn=0191650471

One of the best books on English grammar.

Damkerng T.

Are we talking about phrasal verb here?

Hanaa

Go there is a sentence. Whereas go out is an informal utterance @DamkerngT. So you can't extract a rule from it

Damkerng T.

I must've missed something because I thought we were talking about there is a preposition in go there and not an adverb, if we asked Araucaria.

Hmm... I think you missed my point, then.

Hanaa

14:04

There is an adverb with action verbs

And a preposition with stative verbs like exist and occur.

Damkerng T.

I don't know what grammar framework you're using. It doesn't sound like one I'm familiar with, though.

Araucaria

Hello again, I'm waiting for the photocopier, so I have a couple of minutes.

Hanaa

@DamkerngT. No no. You said go out and go up are actiob verbs with prepositions. Out and up here are adverbs and not prepositions

Damkerng T.

But don't worry, what it is is not the most important thing for me. :-)

Araucaria

There is a preposition when it is used with stative verbs or action verbs.

Kinzle B

14:06

Out and up here **are** prepositions! @Hanaa

Araucaria

If it's used with a stative vrb, the meaning is something like in that place

Hanaa

@Araucaria what's its part of speech ?

Araucaria

But if it's used with an action verb that indicates a goal, then it means something like to that place.

@Hanaa The non-pronoun non-dummy-subject, the one that indicates location, is always a preposition :)

Hanaa

@Araucaria When is it an adverb ?

Araucaria

@Hanaa Never!

Hanaa

14:10

Who said that? @Araucaria

Damkerng T.

Perhaps almost all modern English grammar frameworks.

Araucaria

@Hanaa The first person was the famous Danish linguist of English Otto Jespersen

He is a bit like the grandfather of modern English linguistics.

Hanaa

No no sorry. To make one single linguist as a reference is not enough

Araucaria

Then in the seventies there was Joseph Emonds, who also became famous ...

Damkerng T.

@Hanaa Why is it not enough?

Araucaria

14:13

Then loads and loads of modern generative linguists decided they were right

Damkerng T.

Only one who gets it right is always enough. (^_^)

Araucaria

And then very famous modern grammars of English such as The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language put it in their grammars.

Hanaa

In oxford university dictionnary there is an adverb of place when it modifies an action verb

Araucaria

And now it is standard amongst a majority of very modern linguists.

Hanaa

It is a prepostion when it premodifies a noun or preposition phrase

Damkerng T.

14:15

@Hanaa Is it a grammar book or a dictionary?

Araucaria

@Hanaa And it appears in Oxford Modern English Grammar, which is published by Oxford University Press.

Damkerng T.

It's a bit strange that a dictionary will say anything more than just basic parts of speech.

Hanaa

I go there and i interrupt you there in that point are not similar sentences and the function of there is not the same

Logically

Araucaria

@Hanaa Unfortunately dictionaries are very behind with grammar. See my post here about why that happens :-)

@Hanaa In which sentence?

Damkerng T.

The first step: realize that there is a preposition. The next step: realize that where is a preposition, too!

Hanaa

14:18

@Araucaria you did not mention two examples that make understanding clear. One of there as an adverb and one of it as preposition

Araucaria

@Hanaa One as a pronoun and one as a preposition :) There is a hospital there, for example. No (1) is a pronoun, no (2) is a preposition :-)

Hanaa

@Araucaria Well lexicographers said that there is never an adverb. Ok :)

Araucaria

@DamkerngT. And then that here is a preposition!

@Hanaa Nice talking to you. Photocopier's been free for a while. I'd better get to it!

Ciao all!

Damkerng T.

@Araucaria I suppose here and there come in pair. (BTW, remember herethere? :-)

Hanaa

Good luck ! See u @Araucaria

Damkerng T.

14:21

@Araucaria Have fun!

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Q: exception in the past tense clauses sequence rule?

As all of us know as a general grammatical rule,the verb tense in second clause which comes after a simple past tense clause must be in one of the past tenses. For example: She knew she had made the right choice. I touched the baby's head who was crying. But I wondered when I saw this sentence. I...

grammar

Hanaa

So dictionnaries focus on meaning and are not specialized in parts of speech.

Damkerng T.

When a question starts with As we all know and the like, it's almost always the case that that what the OP thinks "we all know" is not quite correct.

Hanaa

In my dissertation, i neglected revising grammatical forms because i didn't have enough time to write well structured sentences. I got 14 out of 20 :(

Damkerng T.

Dissertation?

Hanaa

I relied on my dictionary and meanings more than the forms, so i got heavy remarks from the teacher of grammar :(

Damkerng T.

14:28

I don't know how things work there, but 14 out of 20 sounds more like an examination.

Meaning should be the most important thing, at least in my opinion.

Hanaa

14 out of 20 equals 70 out of 100

Cardinal

20 out of 20 that is too Persian!

Hanaa

My dissertation was not perfect, just good without remembering the remarks of my grammar teacher who did not understand my topic and content and analysed my grammatical errors. °_°

Cardinal

I'm wondering which countries use 20 scale in addition to Iran.

Hanaa

@Cardinal Algeria :(

Cardinal

14:33

nods

Damkerng T.

I guess they used 60 in ancient Babylon. :P

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. :-)

Hanaa

Babylon?

Cardinal

I never bothered searching about how this grading system came to use in Iran.

Hanaa

@Cardinal hhhh i bothered myself about my mark

Damkerng T.

14:35

@Hanaa It's en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal.

Hanaa

It was 14 out of 20 because my grammar teacher said that i made many grammatical errors.

Although she didn't understand or read my topic of research. :(

Cardinal

@Hanaa So far, your English proved to be better than mine!

Don't be worried.

:-)

Hanaa

@Cardinal I don't think so.

Cardinal

Hey Raven, haven't seen you for quite a few time. @Færd

Hanaa

See you later!

Cardinal

14:39

@Hanaa o/

Damkerng T.

Have a nice evening!

Færd

@Cardinal Hi!

Your counterexample does not follow the original pattern you presented, "this doll" is hardly the same as "fresh chicken". Also, "it's" in your comment lacks a clear antecedent. — TRomano yesterday

Whats's with all the haughtiness? Do we have to speak in algorithms to understand each other?

@Mari-Lou A, I will downvote as I please, but provide the reason for the downvote so that others may judge accordingly. And I don't consider the statement that "one is needed" a minor point here in the context of the original question. — TRomano 2 hours ago

I (almost) agree with his/her postion, but not the attitude.

Damkerng T.

His point in the first comment is valid, though.

I think his point in the second comment is probably true, too.

But I think it's much safer with one in general.

Færd

"I don't want an ugly doll, I want a beautiful" would be the same form as what you are arguing for, yet it categorically doesn't work. — Tom B yesterday

Damkerng T.

nods

Færd

14:51

That's why I said I almost agree with him.

Damkerng T.

But I don't want a Barbie doll. Give me a Blythe is fine, I think.

Færd

Me too.

Damkerng T.

Maybe we have to consider it on a case by case basis.

Færd

No general rules?

Damkerng T.

I'm not very sure.

But the universally general rule is "it sounds right". :-)

Færd

14:54

I think participial adjectives are more probable to be able to act alone like that.

But that hardly describes the whole picture.

Damkerng T.

nods

Ah, my server is making some noise again!

Sorry, but I have to go fix it. See you later!

Færd

See ya!

Hanaa

@Færd I can't see where the point is.

SpringLearner

Hello every body, I want to send email to my manager to give me access to youtube as it blocked at my work place

I am thinking to send email as per below

Hi XXX, I need access to youtube as I wanted to watch tutorials and different APIS

Please give access

Regards,YYYYY

is this appropriate?

Hanaa

Not hi

Good morning or good evening or good afternoon, depending on the time of sending the email.

SpringLearner

15:11

is the content correct?

Hanaa

Mr xxxx, i would be grateful if you allow me get access to youtube. I need it for watching tutorials and different APIS

Regards!

Without hi and please

SpringLearner

ok

ColleenV

18:13

@DamkerngT. But you can say, "I don't want a Barbie, I want a Blythe" - the doll is superfluous

CowperKettle

19:17

> Place 5 ml of the obtained solution into a 20 ml vial, close with a PTFE septum, then with an aluminium cap, and crimp the cap.

How do I compress the "then with an aluminium cap, and crimp the cap" into a single phrase?

Can I say, "then crimp with an aluminium cap"?

It's a single phrase in Russian, but in English I fail to come up with a similarly short alternative

"crimp on an aluminium cap"?

hmm

"then attach and crimp on an aluminium cap"?

Hanaa

@CowperKettle I have no idea

CowperKettle

@Hanaa Good evening!

Hanaa

I think the two lines of the original instruction are correct.

@CowperKettle Good evening :)

CowperKettle

They are correct. I want to make it shorter. @snailplane, I wonder if this will make a good ELL question. ("I'm looking for an expression for "crimping the cap onto a vial"")

lurk mode on

Hanaa

Ok

CowperKettle

19:29

It's 00:30 AM, I should hit the land of counterpane.

Good night, @Hanaa!

Have a good week-end.

Or maybe Friday is the no-work day in your country, I dunno

Hanaa

20:39

@CowperKettle Good dreams!

Anonymous

23:49

@CowperKettle Do, but please no counterplane!

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Sure, why not? :-)

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Yeah, it's called a paradigm.

Anonymous

A h–th–wh (proximal–distal–indefinite) paradigm.

Anonymous

It used to be more systematic in older English than it is today.

Anonymous

Hither, thither, whither

Anonymous

23:53

Here, there, where

Anonymous

Hence, thence, whence

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