Language Overflow

Man_From_India

01:35

possession in grammatical terms is not equivalent to possession in legal terms (i.e. "ownership"); thus, it is still typical to refer to an expression like "Henry's father" as showing possession. — eques 8 hours ago

In ASIEG it tells that Henry's father is not showing possessions.

On page 109 it says something about this.

What about the general perception about the genitive and possessive? Does it say that genitive should have a possessive meaning?

And Henry's father is showing possession?

It is likewise not typical to use the term "genitive case" in English grammar to describe possession or genitive expressions. The way "'s" functions in English is not equivalent to how case systems generally function (e.g. the possessive indicator is attached to the last word of the noun phrase, not always to the head noun -- "the king of England's horse"; for a noun case system, we'd expect "The king's of England horse" — eques 8 hours ago

CowperKettle

02:38

Sawasdee khrap

@Cardinal Nice!

Færd

04:25

Classically can be the adverb form of both classic and classical.

CowperKettle

Good morning, Fard!

> We collected the growth medium from the culture flask into a sterile 50 mL centrifuge tube.
We washed the remaining cells with 9 mL of Versene solution.
We added 3 mL of trypsin-EDTA solution and incubated in a CO2 incubator for 2–3 min at 37°C. We visually assessed cell detachment under the microscope.
Once the cells had been detached, we stopped the reaction by introducing growth medium previously collected from the culture flask, then swirled the suspension around the flask 2–3 times and transferred the suspension into a sterile centrifuge tube.

I wonder about "had been detached" - is it correct.

Maybe it's better as "were detached"

Færd

04:43

Morning!

CowperKettle

this was probably captured in India

CowperKettle

04:55

Dam, Snails, where are ye?

CowperKettle

05:07

I'm trying to translate as much as I can, to have time for this year's last mushroom huntingable week-end.

CowperKettle

08:04

> Following the incubation we measured the fluorescence intensity of each well in relative fluorescence units (RFU) at excitation/emission wavelengths of 544/590 nm using the Infinite M200 Pro plate reader. (Is it okay to use "the" even though the unit was not mentioned before?)

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I'm here now!

@CowperKettle :D

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. - sawasdee khrap and zdorovo!

Damkerng T.

Zdorovo and sawasdee khrap!

CowperKettle

I hope Snails is having a good time.

Damkerng T.

nods

@CowperKettle I think a or maybe our is better.

CowperKettle

08:07

ah, maybe!

Rubisco

ah, maybe!

Damkerng T.

The might be okay, like, in the abstract of the paper.

@Rubisco o/

Rubisco

This is the first time I am so much happy after loosing the reputations. — TAsk Sep 15 at 5:06

This is disgusting to think.

@DamkerngT. \o

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco Ohh... it's complicated over there!

@CowperKettle Hmm... mushroom soup must be nice... :P

Anonymous

@CowperKettle I'm here :-)

Rubisco

08:13

Yay

Much has happened since yesterday.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Good morning!

Rubisco

For instance, the clock span.

CowperKettle

@snailplane Good small hours of the night, Snails! (0:

Rubisco

'What was the original problem you were trying to fix?' 'Well, I noticed one of the tools I was using had an inefficiency that was wasting my time.'

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. I hope so. I have the coordinates of a place rich in mushrooms (0:

Anonymous

08:14

🐌

2

Rubisco

That has happened to me often enough

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco Aww...

@CowperKettle Half of the mushrooms just got a warning tweet and start to evacuate. :P

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. (0:

Damkerng T.

@snailplane (In closed caption) A snail is moving to the left, happily. :-)

Rubisco

@DamkerngT. What does 'happily' mean here?

A snail with endorphine in its mollusk?

Damkerng T.

08:23

@Rubisco Looking happy while moving, I think. :D

Rubisco

This happy?

Damkerng T.

Hmm... prolly not!

Rubisco

Damkerng T.

LOL

Rubisco

This one's prolly whistling

CowperKettle

08:29

Rubisco

Retro-snail

earthporm.com/prevent-snails-getting-stepped-people-pimp-shells

CowperKettle

From a kids' cartoon

Песни из мультфильмов - Я на солнышке лежу (Как львенок и черепаха пели песню )

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Damkerng T.

Oh, he's bigger than the lion cub!

Rubisco

O.O

In Soviet Russia, snails find you

CowperKettle

Sorry, I need to understand what Levenberg-Marquardt method is, or it's no mushrooming for me.

BBL

Damkerng T.

08:33

See you later!

I'm heading off, too.

Later, @Rubisco!

Rubisco

\o

CowperKettle

Hill equation (biochemistry)

In biochemistry and pharmacology, the binding of a ligand to a macromolecule is often enhanced if there are already other ligands present on the same macromolecule (this is known as cooperative binding). The Hill coefficient provides a way to quantify this effect. It describes the fraction of the macromolecule saturated by ligand as a function of the ligand concentration; it is used in determining the degree of cooperativeness of the ligand binding to the enzyme or receptor. It was originally formulated by Archibald Hill in 1910 to describe the sigmoidal O2 binding curve of haemoglobin. =...

Word of the day: Hill's slope

> a = the minimum value that can be obtained (i.e. what happens at 0 dose)

d = the maximum value that can be obtained (i.e. what happens at infinite dose)

c = the point of inflection (i.e. the point on the S shaped curve halfway between a and d)

b = Hill’s slope of the curve (i.e. this is related to the steepness of the curve at point c).

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Snail on Hill's slope. ^_^

Speaking of Soviet cartoons, students still love to sing this song

Ничего на свете лучше нету! Бременские музыканты

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I should try to translate it into English.

It's from a cartoon based on this German tale:

Town Musicians of Bremen

The "Town Musicians of Bremen" (German: Die Bremer Stadtmusikanten) is a fairy tale by the Brothers Grimm. Despite the title of the fairy tale, the characters never actually arrive in Bremen. In Aarne–Thompson classification it is a folk tale of type 130: "outcast animals find a new home". == Plot == In the story a donkey, a dog, a cat, and a rooster (or hen), all past their prime years in life and usefulness on their respective farms, were soon to be discarded or mistreated by their masters. One by one they leave their homes and set out together. They decide to go to Bremen, known for its freedom...

CowperKettle

09:21

Why is there only 18 results for "interleukin 17 alpha"?

Same for "interleukin-17α"

Odd.

V.V.

An Irish Toast
"Here's to you and yours and to mine and ours,
And if mine and ours ever come across you and yours,
I hope you and yours will do as much for mine and ours
As mine and ours have done for you and yours!"

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Just came across.

CowperKettle

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Damkerng T.

10:08

@CowperKettle Hey, I know that tale!

CowperKettle

10:31

Наливаймо, браття, кришталеві чаші / Pour, brothers, crystal bowls

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Damkerng T.

I hadn't checked out our Documentation beta until a moment ago. It reminds me of wiki in a lot of ways, with one main difference that it's votable.

CowperKettle

I went jogging, and while jogging a translation of the final stanza of this song occurred to me

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle :D

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. What is "documentation beta"?

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle It's sort of a huge votable-wiki that programmers come together to write down their tips in. (I think)

CowperKettle

10:33

Ah, there's a Tour

@DamkerngT. Ah, it's programmer stuff. I bet it's great but not time for this, unfortunately.

Damkerng T.

nods

It could be handy for me from time to time, though. :D

CowperKettle

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THe first stanza goes like this, in my 4th or 5th attempt:

> Raise your cups, my brothers,
Make the crystal clatter!
Here's to riding bravely
Here's to coming safely
Through the thick of battle
Through the thick and thin,
Through the cannons' din,
Through the rifles' rattle

It even rhymes!

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And the final stanza

> Raise your cups, my brothers,
While your hands still serve you,
Till the cries of horn
On the eve of morn
To the battle call you

It even rhymes, and follows the text quite closely

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Yay!

CowperKettle

The second line might be funny to a native speaker, but at least it rhymes. (0:

In the original text, is "Pour on some more wine, while you still can"

More closely, "while there's still power in you"

Maybe my 10th attempt will include the middle two stanzas

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Don't forget to post it here! :)

CowperKettle

11:02

> I was born in Russia in a big city, where people don't afraid of meteoritic fall and playing darts by axes.

How do we call this kind of construction - where "don't afraid" relates first to an event and then to an activity (different things)?

Afternoon, Colleen!

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Zeugma? I think it should be aren't, BTW.

CowperKettle

11:20

@DamkerngT. I know about "aren't"! Thanks!

> I've started to use Lang-8 because it is a good opportunity to improve my language skills.

Is it okay to use the Present Perfect if this is the person's first post?

I'm proofreading a short post by a friend.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I see! I thought it was only a typo, btw.

@CowperKettle I think that would sound odd.

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. But why? SHe has just started to use it.

It does sound odd, but how to explain it?

Does it sound odd because the sentence will be read by Lang-8 users, who already know that she started to use it?

Damkerng T.

Maybe it's just me. But I started to use, I started using, I've started using all sound okay to me.

I've started to use sounds a bit strange.

CowperKettle

ah, because of "to use"?

Damkerng T.

Probably. Or more like the whole phrase.

CowperKettle

11:27

nods

Here's her post

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I guess she doesn't mind mushrooms either! :-)

I like her post, BTW, simple and sincere and nice.

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. Yes, her posts are like that. She is a wonderful person.

I think she is very, very smart.

Damkerng T.

nods

CowperKettle

I translated her social network post a while ago

CowperKettle

12:07

> We assessed biomolecular binding kinetics using ForteBio Octet RED384 (Pall Corporation/Forte Bio, USA).

Is it okay to just name the machine, without adding "unit" or "machine" after that?

> Raise your cups, my brothers,
While the limbs still serve you,
Till the cries of horn
At the break of morn
To the battle call you

(a variation)

> Figure 2. (A) Schematic representation of mAb-HA conjugate formed through an amide linkage. (B) Measurement of binding (Assoc.) and release (Dissoc.) of TNF-α by mAb, PEGylated mAb, and mAb-HA conjugate using ForteBio Octet. (C)

Found this, but it's from a figure legend.

In other examples they write "using ForteBio's Octet system"

I'm not sure.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I think it depends. Like writing just Windows and Microsoft's Windows operating system.

Færd

12:25

macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/… : I'd've thought the first one is for present counter-expectations and the second for past ones, but apparently both mean the same thing, or function the same at least.

Damkerng T.

nods

> The second showcase—by César, likewise of the Bahnhofstrasse—preferred to cater for the Arab taste, with a tableau of lusciously embroidered gowns and diamanté turbans and jeweled wristwatches at sixty thousand francs a shot.

That shot is curious.

(It's from The Night Manager.)

Is shot a unit of wristwatches or something?

Mick Sharpe

12:56

Seen on an English language forum: Q. "What's the difference between a duck?" A. "One leg's the same."

Damkerng T.

@MickSharpe Some kind of humor based on incomprehensible sentences, perhaps?

BTW, welcome to the room!

Hello, and welcome, too! @IGO

unarist

13:20

I've bought a CD of Japanese anime, and found "Vocal contracted by ..." in the booklet.

...vocal contracted?

Damkerng T.

Weird.

CowperKettle

CDs still exist?

Damkerng T.

What does it say in Japanese?

unarist

Yes.

@DamkerngT. It is only written in English...

Damkerng T.

Is it a company or a person after by?

unarist

13:24

Yes

> Vocal contracted by: 市川洋介(onetrap)

Damkerng T.

I guess they tried to mean voiced by.

unarist

Vocals are credited separately, so it would be like sound engineers.

CowperKettle

Maybe it means "Sound compression performed by: Hirohito Takajima"

Damkerng T.

Ah, that makes sense!

unarist

compression?

Damkerng T.

13:30

Like data compression.

unarist

Hmm...

Little Alien

Does the "score" in "to know the score" mean "what is what/lay of the ground"?

Damkerng T.

13:47

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Q: Difference between "abolish" and "rescind"

I have attempted an English test, where a question was given as Following the students’ ______, the authorities have finally_______ the rule of having CCTV’s in the classroom. And the options were given as Protests, abolished Agitations, rescind Agitations, abolish Agitat...

Another question in Exam English.

Damkerng T.

14:21

@TRomano - Thank you very much for the comment, but still the word does exist : "They had a son and lived in the UK for a couple of years, where Watsa worked as a hospital houseman and registrar." BBCJul 21, 2014 (from the vocabulary.com site's multiple example sentences with it). — Rompey 11 mins ago

Interesting that the journalist came from Rome.

Which makes me wonder, how often do people say houseman and registrar in BrE?

Rubisco

14:34

@CowperKettle Sadly. Come back in a few years.

Damkerng T.

15:14

@Man_From_India I think in the comment, possession isn't used as a technical term.

Rubisco

-4

Q: Death Battle: Who Would Win Sebastian vs Raizel vs Itachi?

Now most of you guys may have seen the shows these guys are from and may have an idea of who would win. All i have to say is don't say this person would win because you like them pls givesome sort of explanation and have fun.

discussion

Damkerng T.

Personally, I think the argument that calling genitive as possessive may not be accurate like A Student's Introduction to English Grammar does sounds like a nitpicking on the word possess.

> Consider these cases, and think about which of them (if any) could possibly be said to have something to do with possessing:

[62] her father, her friends, her birth, her infancy, her anger, her lack of money, her acceptance of your offer, her refusal to compromise, her rapid action

Not one of these permits a natural paraphrase with possess, in the way that her car can be paraphrased as the car she possesses. Often there will be a range of interpretations available. Her letter might be the letter she wrote or the letter she received, and there are other possibilities available in special…

I don't think possessive is an English word, or at least it's not originated in English.

Which leads us to another question: what does possess really mean in Latin?

@Rubisco Is that a Meta question?!?

Rubisco

Meta.SE is a fun place to hang out in.

Færd

15:31

Is Tabataba'i's poem still in the Farsi literature book of your grade?

And hi!

Damkerng T.

Hi!

Rubisco

\o

I should leave. Class is about to start.

Færd

Have fun. Haha.

Damkerng T.

I wonder how many phrases we still use maketh in...

(Just ran into Manner maketh man (again))

Færd

Something to start with: goo.gl/fT8Odc

Damkerng T.

15:38

@Færd Thanks!

Hmm... the graph is approaching zero as time passes.

Færd

Yeah.

Damkerng T.

Oops! It's Manners maketh man (not Manner).

Færd

@DamkerngT. 0.00003 is still something. It's more popular than some remote contemporary words.

Damkerng T.

nods

Hmm... @Man_From_India FWIW, I think The most driven car of Henry is the red one sounds weird.

Using Henry's instead would make it sound much better, at least to me.

Man_From_India

15:53

Isn't Henry's there wrong?

Damkerng T.

Hmm... that's a good question.

(BTW, I think it's a bit awkward either way, but let's say we want to rephrase 's with of.)

CowperKettle

> We prepared 7 solutions by serial two-fold dilution with the kinetic buffer. (I wonder if this is okay)

Man_From_India

Actually that sentence itself is not very good.

Damkerng T.

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Q: Why do we say "of mine/of his" instead of "of me/of him"?

He's a friend of mine. That's a car of his. Why do we use the possessive when the meaning would be the same while not using it (e.g. a friend of me and a car of him)? I thought maybe it is short for That's a car of his [cars], but I have no way of making sure; it sounds a little odd that ...

pronouns possessives personal-pronouns double-genitive

@CowperKettle I have no idea about "by serial two-fold dilution"!

CowperKettle

I either!

Damkerng T.

15:58

Rubisco must know this, but he's probably already in his class.

CowperKettle

BBL

Damkerng T.

See you later!

Færd

16:19

It's the eve(ning) of Friday (last day of the week, our day of rest). How could one have class at this time?

Well, I know the answer, but the question persists nevertheless.

V.V.

It's Wednesday.

Færd

@V.V. Thursday you mean?

V.V.

Ha,ha,ha! Wanted to correct...

Færd

No problem!

It's Thursady, and the eve of Friday.

V.V.

They don't study on Saturday, do they?

Færd

16:27

Saturday is our first day of the week. Students do go to school on Saturdays.

CowperKettle

What?

V.V.

Oh! Tell me more about your week

Færd

What more do you want to know?

CowperKettle

Do they go to school on Sunday too?

When do they rest?

Færd

On Friday, the last day of the week.

(But apparently not for @Rubisco)

CowperKettle

16:29

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V.V.

So it's different from the English week

Færd

The weekend is different, yes.

V.V.

Friday is the day off?

Færd

My dad had a Jewish neighbor once; he didn't open his store on Saturdays I guess.

@V.V. Yes.

V.V.

What is it connected with?

Færd

16:34

You mean why is it the day of rest here?

V.V.

Yes.

Færd

Well, for Muslims Friday is a holiday and it is a day of rest.

Ours is an Islamic regime, so our day of rest is Friday, even for most of the people who are not Muslim.

V.V.

So, it's not only for one country then,right?

Færd

Yeah, it's for all Muslim communities/nations.

V.V.

Thanks, @Færd, never met such information before.

Færd

16:39

You're welcome! Your weekend is Sunday, right?

V.V.

Sure.

Færd

I thought so. :)

V.V.

I 'd like to ask Man from India and Dam.

Færd

Go ahead.

But I gotta go. Cya.

CowperKettle

Bye!

V.V.

16:42

Bye.

CowperKettle

> The plant has been integrated in parallel to the already existing steam pressure reduction units of the boiler building.

"in parallel" is awkward

The sentence says that the power generation plant is installed in the same circuit, so that the company can either reduce steam pressure by giving it off to the customers, or reduce it by feeding the powerplant with steam.

I did not know you have a further two translators as friends, V.V. (0:

Is it a shower rain in Thailand, @DamkerngT.? You're away again. (0:

wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=bangkok

No, it's a rare rainless day in Bangkok

CowperKettle

17:11

Good morning, Snails!

Anonymous

Good morning :-)

Rubisco

Mornin

How's ya doin' neighbor?

CowperKettle

Happy upcoming weekend, Muhammad!

Rubisco

@Færd Science does not rest when we do man.

@CowperKettle \o/

Damkerng T.

18:48

@CowperKettle It sounds like it's going to be another heavy rain outside.

Rubisco

I do miss snow.

I always do this time of the day.

Damkerng T.

@V.V. Hi! About our weekends? We don't normally work on Sat and Sun. But some people work on Sat. Some a full day, some half a day.

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. Plus 27.7! Poor Thais. Too hot. The rain might help some (0:

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I kinda like 26-28 C, actually. :-)

Rubisco

@CowperKettle That's room temp, mind you

CowperKettle

18:54

Some room!

Rubisco

How many kelvins is it in Russia? -29100?

CowperKettle

+7,2°

Rubisco

Poor Russians. Too cold.

Damkerng T.

BTW, anyone think my question about shot is worth an ELL question?

Cardinal

word of the night:

zenzizenzizenzic

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Damkerng T.

18:59

Wow, that was a very short visit!

And it's a real word, even!

Cardinal

Hi folk

Rubisco

@DamkerngT. This one, no. But if you have a question about the word shot, I haven't heard it yet.

Cardinal

I'm very busy these days.

wish you bests

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal All the best for you as well!

Rubisco

@Cardinal \o/

Damkerng T.

19:02

7 hours ago, by Damkerng T.

> The second showcase—by César, likewise of the Bahnhofstrasse—preferred to cater for the Arab taste, with a tableau of lusciously embroidered gowns and diamanté turbans and jeweled wristwatches at sixty thousand francs a shot.

Cardinal

o/

Rubisco

@DamkerngT. Oh wow. Too french to be served cold

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco The setting is in Switzerland, actually, but I think people speak three languages there.

Rubisco

I'd say ask it. Although I haven't seen the question yet

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco The question is quite straightforward, what does this shot mean? :-)

Something like apiece (of wristwatches)?

Rubisco

19:08

@DamkerngT. A glass of drink?

Or maybe the watches will cost you 60,000 francs if you shoot them? Unlikely

Damkerng T.

But there's nothing about any kind of drink in the sentence!

@Rubisco LOL

Rubisco

Or maybe taking a shot at dressing up like all those things is 60,000 francs?

Damkerng T.

Hmm...

Rubisco

Mhh...

Damkerng T.

It's rather indirect, but not impossible.

Rubisco

19:15

I mean, what if the 'at' thing refers to the whole thing, not just the wristwatches in the end?

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco I think your idea makes sense.

Rubisco

Of course it does. It's my idea.

Damkerng T.

:)

Rubisco

Chem election in 4 days

Damkerng T.

Are you one of the candidates?

(How many mods this time, BTW?)

Rubisco

19:18

Not yet. The nomination hasn't started.

The process has changed.

Damkerng T.

Ahh

Rubisco

First the question collection comes, then the nomination, then the questionnaire.

It's one of the few things in the world that make more sense after changing but look weirder.

@DamkerngT. 2

Damkerng T.

Are you going to run?

Rubisco

@DamkerngT. I still wonder if I should run, but since I'm more popular on Chem than here, I think I'd take my chances.

I'm still the badassest guy over there even if I don't run.

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco I think you should!

@Rubisco LOL

Rubisco

19:21

I have more rep, more badges, more participation, more flags, more reviews, more meta activity, and more understanding people.

Also more bureaucratic people.

Ones that prefer people who can do things, not just people they like.

You know, the community-is-more-important-than-me sentiment.

Damkerng T.

nods, sympathetically

Rubisco

I can only think of two people who can compete with me, and that's only because of their more rep.

Damkerng T.

19:37

Remarkable. If I hadn't seen that link, I would never have believed it. How is it that you are acquainted with such obscure adverbs, yet puzzled by as simple a turn of phrase as "in the hands of big money?" — P. E. Dant 3 hours ago

Easy words are difficult. Difficult words are easy. :-)

Anonymous

19:47

Doesn't seem like a simple turn of phrase to me!

Anonymous

I'm glad to see the questionnaire go up first, @Rubisco.

Rubisco

@snailplane Me too. But it's just . . . weird.

Also as I said before, the questionnaire isn't that prominent on our little little sites.

Anonymous

Maybe it should be. :-)

Rubisco

It's not likely to help anyone make up their mind, far less change it.

Anonymous

I'm not quite that skeptical of its value myself, but supposing it is true, it still helps the voters get to know the candidates and what they think. Keeping people informed is a good thing :-) That's all you can do – it's up to the voters to act on that information.

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