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CowperKettle

00:19

Sawasdee khrap

@snailplane Thank you! (0:

Lawrence

00:51

@DamkerngT. I just logged back in to Language Overflow. I'm heading out for food again. :)

Man_From_India

I have no answer to this

Actually sentence adverb does not just modify the whole clause, there are other things that make an adverb a sentence adverb. Check the link please in my previous comment. That aside consider this sentence: the moving thing in the room is only a cat or only the rat can pass through this hole. Only in both sentences modifies the noun phrase coming after. Now replace only with usually. Does it make it a sentence adverb now?! I don't think so. — Yuri 8 hours ago

@snailplane @DamkerngT. @Lawrence @CowperKettle or anyone who can help please help here.

CowperKettle

01:52

@Man_From_India Replacement seems to work in the first sentence only

Anonymous

02:33

@Man_From_India Only and usually belong to different syntactic classes.

Anonymous

> 1. Usually, the only thing moving in the room is a cat.
> 2. *Only, the usually thing moving in the room is a cat.

Anonymous

They're different types of adverb (focus and frequency respectively) and have different ranges of functions.

Anonymous

Sometimes they can appear in the same linear position in a sentence, but that doesn't make them comparable.

Man_From_India

02:50

[usually a cat] does it make sense? I mean usually as the modifier of NP.

Anonymous

No, I don't think so.

Anonymous

> Every day an animal, usually a cat, would come to my door and wait for me.

Anonymous

What do you suppose usually a cat is here?

Man_From_India

03:07

@snailplane I don't think usually modifies the NP here also.

Prosodic Detachment, I think at play here.

Anonymous

03:19

@Man_From_India I was thinking it might be a small clause. usually ~~being~~ a cat

Anonymous

Empty subject coindexed with an animal: an animalᵢ, ＿ᵢ usually ~~being~~ a cat,

Anonymous

Or as a way to understand it via paraphrase: an animal, that animal usually being a cat,

Man_From_India

Nice.

Lawrence

03:38

Back again for a bit. My previous comment should have said "again" - I didn't head out for food the previous time. :P

Man_From_India

Foodie :-)

Lawrence

@snailplane Taking nulls up a notch, hmm? This isn't just a determiner - it's a whole subject now. :)

@Man_From_India Not really. You need to actually be discerning about food to be a foodie. I just like yummy food. :)

@Man_From_India I think @snailplane's note about syntactic classes is key here. I'm not sure whether I can add any more insight to it - I'm not really a linguist any more than I am a foodie.

Man_From_India

What do you call those person who loves food. Hmmm like you :-)

Lawrence

@Man_From_India Human. :)

Man_From_India

Don't say they are called Lawrence :D

Lawrence

03:43

@Man_From_India Haha. Actually, I didn't. :)

Man_From_India

Hehe

Man_From_India

05:44

0

Q: The meaning and POS of "as" in - "Look on it as your introduction to being the best"?

Look on it as your introduction to being the best. This sentence is from a book. Is that as a preposition or a conjunction? And why? What's the meaning of the as here?

> Look on it as your introduction to being the best.

Without context, it's hard to get the meaning of the sentence.

Rubisco

06:22

With context, it's hard to get the meaning of the sentence.

V.V.

06:36

@Man_From_India consider it as if it is an introduction to your new life, where you are the best.

He should give a source.

Morning

Rubisco

Morning

Beautiful mornin', innit

I just headed to school to learn schools start tomorrow

CowperKettle

@Rubisco Really? Congrats

Rubisco

They were supposed to start today.

CowperKettle

I headed to a bicycle ride to learn that it was cancelled because there was not enough people, because I failed to press the "And me!" button on Katushkin.ru

So I stood for 40 min near the train station and rode home

Rubisco

What a beautiful morning indeed

CowperKettle

06:42

nods

V.V.

What's the temperature, Kettle?

Hi.

Rubisco

Low

CowperKettle

@V.V. 36.6°C (0:

But really 19.5 C

Almost like summer

V.V.

Oh! Really?

CowperKettle

yep

V.V.

06:47

7--13ºC here.

CowperKettle

Nice too!

Rubisco

Shivers

CowperKettle

> Following this, the mixture was cooled to room temperature (and then I discover that the Russian sentence says "... and added to the resulting solution 10 mcl of iodoacetamide", which means I need to re-write the English sentence using the active voice, because in English you cannot heap up chemical operations in passive voice)

Rubisco

I'd write 'cooled down'

CowperKettle

> Following this, we cooled the reaction mixture to room temperature and added 20 µl of 20 mM iodoacetamide in water, then mixed and kept in the dark for 1 h.

@Rubisco Really? I'm not sure..

Rubisco

06:52

Hello not sure

CowperKettle

You're wasting your free-from-school day. Go bicycling or playing basketball or hiking. (0:

Rubisco

Or bicycling

CowperKettle

Yes, I almost forgot, and that.

> The analysis was performed on a time-of-flight mass-spectrometer unit in positive ion mode in linear mode. (how to combine the mention of two modes?)

In Russian, it is okay, because the first mode in Russian is called regime and the second is called mode

In English, they are both 'mode', so D'oh.

> The analysis was performed on a linear time-of-flight mass-spectrometer unit in positive ion mode. (?)

Maybe since "linear" describes the actual layout of the machine, we can use it adjectivally.

V.V.

Ugu.

CowperKettle

(0:

V.V.

07:03

I just wanted to say, find another position

CowperKettle

nods

> The analysis was performed on a TOF unit in positive ion, linear mode. (this is shorter by 100%)

> The spectra were acquired on a TOF unit in positive ion, linear mode. (shorter by 2 letters)

V.V.

Must be going. Sounds nice.

Rubisco

I guess you'll just have to... deal with it. Many anger. Very sorrow. — Will yesterday

Man_From_India

07:51

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Q: Identify parts of speech

Three statements: It weighs about a pound. about = adjective or preposition?? 'about' here adds information to the noun 'pound'. Therefore I believe it should be an adjective. But in regular sentences, 'about' functions either as a preposition or an adverb. So, what is it here? ...

prepositions adverbs conjunctions parts-of-speech

Damkerng T.

08:16

@Lawrence :D

Damkerng T.

08:34

@Man_From_India I agree with @snailplane. It's a classic false analogy, IMO. FWIW, I don't think Yuri will think that certainly in The moving thing in the room is certainly a catis a sentence/clause adverb.

Correction: I don't think they'll think it's an adverb modifying a noun.

Damkerng T.

09:16

0

Q: what does *embroidered on* mean in the following sentence?

What does "embroidered on" mean in the following passage (emphasis added)? The report embroidered on the theme that was to become a hallmark of the WDRs: urging a reliance on the market mechanism, replacing public monopolies (in urban transport, for example) by private firms, and sharpl...

meaning-in-context

Hmm... isn't this a dictionary question?

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. Aargh, "shouldn't".

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence :)

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. :)

In italics, the smile looks a little like a smirk. :)

Smilie and smirkie?

Damkerng T.

Hmm... interesting... that thought never occurred to me. Maybe I used italics too often! :) :P

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. nods but I didn't find a good test to demonstrate that it's a clause adverb.

Damkerng T.

09:31

@Man_From_India a) The moving thing in the room is certainly a cat. b) Certainly, the moving thing in the room is a cat. c) Certainly, a cat is the moving thing in the room.

Only wouldn't work or at least wouldn't work the same in those positions.

Rubisco

-10

Q: I am informed. What does that mean?

I am informed. I just wanted to participate Stack Exchange. But I can't get it. What does that mean? And, how does Stack Exchange control me on being informed?

support badges informed-badge

Man_From_India

Oh another thing

+1 for more effort, but as a native speaker, I don't see anything wrong with the version 'The witch is a homely woman usually'. — Alan Carmack 28 mins ago

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India nods -- I think that one is similar to the definition of playboy in TFD.

2 days ago, by Damkerng T.

> A usually wealthy man who spends much of his time pursuing leisure and romance.

Man_From_India

I don't think that's a good sentence. I guess a comma before usually will make it a little better. But still not good improvement.

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco Sounds like a good question on ELL!

Rubisco

09:34

So I can VTC it.

Man_From_India

-10?:O

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco They informed us. We're informed. Controlling? I don't think so. :D

Rubisco

@Man_From_India That's only because it's new. I bet it'd get to -20 or something before deletion

Man_From_India

Now watching Hansel & Gretel

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India Oh, I misread the sentence (I thought it was about an example by Martha). Yes, I think adding a comma is a good idea.

@Man_From_India A recent remake with lots of actions?

Man_From_India

09:40

@DamkerngT. oh it had a remake. Didn't know that.

Rubisco

Of course

Man_From_India

Yes it must be the new one.

Rubisco

@DamkerngT. This can be useful. I can use it whenever I don't want people to understand me

Which is like, always

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Damkerng T.

10:02

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A: Using "later" and "as necessary"

I think the mean is clearer if you use the expression: if need be: if it is necessary: If need be, we can take two cars Cambridge Dictionary Some of the rules can be presented later if need be.

Hmm...

Between if need be and as necessary, I think the latter sounds better in technical documents.

Man_From_India

10:14

@P.E.Dant and RF NP don't take articles. When a nominal takes a determiner it forms a NP. Preposition can replace a NP. But here this one in the spare one is not a pronoun. It's the pro-form of noun. — Man_From_India 1 min ago

@DamkerngT. is it because the subjunctive in if need be?

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India I don't know why. I just don't like if need be much, I think.

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. ok.

Martin Sleziak

Is both into a older question and into an older question correct? I wanted to correct typo in a post here on SE, but - to my surprise - I found out that Google returns plenty of hits for "into a older", so I thought that it might be correct after all.

Maybe there is some subtlety which I am not aware of.

Damkerng T.

an

Martin Sleziak

Thanks!

Damkerng T.

10:29

No problem! :-)

BTW, welcome to the room!

0

Q: how to pronounce words 'baths' in actual conversation?

I was confused by the pronunciation of consonant cluster 'ths' at the end of the word. For example: the cluster 'ths' in word months, according to ESL teaching videos on Youtube,video for months' pronunciation on youtube can be pronounced as /ths/(which is the pronunciation listed in most of the...

pronunciation american-accent

The Accent's Way #36: How to pronounce 'MONTHS'

►

Martin Sleziak

I use Google as a quick test when I am not sure - so I was bit puzzled after seeing that "into an older" returns only twice as many hits as "into a older'.

Damkerng T.

My first thought: maybe her first language is Spanish.

@MartinSleziak Try Google Books instead.

Martin Sleziak

That sounds like a good idea. (I should have thought of that myself.)

Damkerng T.

Writing a for an is probably one of the commonest errors among native speakers.

But editors wouldn't let it pass.

Man_From_India

Did you also read the sentence that comes directly after it? A pronoun appearing within a phrase (or clause) does not stop being a pronoun, but the preceding article acts on the phrase, not the pronoun alone. — Roaring Fish 4 hours ago

Martin Sleziak

10:34

In Google Books 1k results for "into a older" and 69 k results for "into an older".

Man_From_India

That comment is really strange.

A phrase contains head words along with modifies and complements. A pronoun as far as I can think right now don't generally takes a modifier, nor it takes a complement. So how can a pronoun make a phrase that it heads? No idea. — Man_From_India 1 min ago

Damkerng T.

@MartinSleziak Ahh... Another thing you would want to know is that you wouldn't want to trust Google's number of hits. :-)

It's just an estimate.

Try to go to page 3 of the results for "into a older". ;-)

Martin Sleziak

Yes, certainly. But for a quick and dirty test it still can do.

Damkerng T.

I would say that their estimates are really, really bad estimates.

Just my thought, of course. :D

Also note that in the results of "into a older" are things like "into a) older" and "into (a) older" as well.

Martin Sleziak

So considering that, using google would not be that bet if I had closer look at the results in the following pages.

Damkerng T.

10:45

@MartinSleziak I'm not sure what you mean by that bet, but yes, you should take a closer look at the results.

Martin Sleziak

Sorry, I meant to write that bad.

I am not sure how I managed to get to this. I was probably thinking about something else already.

Damkerng T.

@MartinSleziak I see! Don't worry. Sometimes I just can't figure it out myself!

Martin Sleziak

But something like writing week instead of weak and similar mistakes happens to me a lot. Especially in chat, where it is better to type fast so that the conversation is not slowed down.

Damkerng T.

Oh, I'm very good at typos, too! :D

Martin Sleziak

I suppose there is even some good sounding name for this type of mistakes.

Damkerng T.

10:49

Typographical errors? :P

Martin Sleziak

I found dyscravia on Wikipedia. But this is about a writing disorder rather than about an occasional mistake. The question “Your” vs. “you're”: Why the confusion? on English.SE does not mention any special name for this specific type of mistake/typo either.

Damkerng T.

12:02

Mistranslation of the Day:
(original) Boy, do I have a feeling we're getting close.
(translation) เด็กๆทั้งหลาย คงรู้สึกว่าเรากำลังจะสนิทกันสินะ
(back translation) Children, you have a feeling we're getting close, right?

CowperKettle

12:15

You should try translating some Thai fiction or poetry into English

Martin's avatar is not loading for me

I fell asleep mid-day and slept 5 or 6 hours.. weird

Probably translated too much over the week

The weather is beautiful..

Clear skies, not a single cloud. Golden trees and lots of sun

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Good idea! :)

@CowperKettle Martin?

Oh, I see! :D

@CowperKettle Happen to me sometimes, too. An hour or two, mostly. :D

@CowperKettle Nice!

CowperKettle

I avoke at 5 am, wanted to take a longish ride over a mountain, to snap pictures. My leg started to ache from the knee to the sole. A third attack of this sort. Lasted for 30 minutes or so, but it was enough to make me miss that ride.

11 people are taking part. Lucky bastards

Since it stopped to ache, I went to another ride, but learned at the train station that it was cancelled.

I could not get my call across to my friend, so used free Internet. Turns out there's free WIFI near the train station.

He was not picking the phone, but he was on the Vkontakte social network. O_O

"I'm at the train station. Where's everyone?"
"What??" O_O

(0:

Damkerng T.

12:33

@CowperKettle Aww

@CowperKettle Social networks trump phone communications!

CowperKettle

Yep. (0:

Probably sleep deprivation accumulates. I want to sleep more.

Damkerng T.

Have a good sleep!

CowperKettle

12:51

> Sure some would cry it’s better far
To crown their days with sleep
Than face the road, the wind and rain,
To heed the calling deep.
Though wet nor blow nor space I fear,
Yet fear I deeply, too,
Lest Death should meet and claim me ere
I keep Life’s rendezvous.

(the beautiful Countee Cullen)

My bicycling friend has already lived past Countee's age.

Countee Cullen

Countee Cullen (May 30, 1903 – January 9, 1946), born as Coleman Rutherford, was an African American poet, author and scholar who was a leading figure in the Harlem Renaissance. He pronounced his name "Coun-tay", not "Coun-tee". == Early life == Countee Cullen was possibly born on May 30, although due to conflicting accounts of his early life, a general application of the year of his birth as 1903 is reasonable. He was either born in New York City, Baltimore, or Lexington, Kentucky, with his widow being convinced he was born in Lexington. Cullen was possibly abandoned by his mother, and reared...

CowperKettle

13:24

@snailplane I recalled this:

Legal fiction

A legal fiction is a fact assumed or created by courts which is then used in order to apply a legal rule. Typically, a legal fiction allows the court to ignore a fact that would prevent it from exercising its jurisdiction, by simply assuming that the fact is different. This is the case with the Bill of Middlesex where the Court of King's Bench could only exercise jurisdiction over cases which took place in the historic English county of Middlesex. To allow the Court, which was the central court of the land, to take jurisdiction over other cases, parties began to plead that, along with the other...

Damkerng T.

Oh, this phrase is tricky to translate as usual when a master say it to his butler, If you'd be so kind.

A typical translation fits better when the speaker is of an equal or a lower social status.

It sounds very awkward when the speaker has a higher status.

Damkerng T.

14:22

0

Q: use of would rather with different subjects

I've read that would rather has two different constructions;same subject and different subjects.some of the examples have been listed below: 1.I would rather they did something about it. Question No1:Does it mean "I would prefer them to do something about it at present moment or in the future? ...

grammar

One more vote is needed.

Rubisco

14:42

@DamkerngT. To do what? Eat it?

CowperKettle

To reopen. I voted.

Rubisco

Wow. How heroic

Man_From_India

5

Q: When do I have to put 'a' before 'one' as a pronoun?

I wonder if there is a rule on that score. Judging from the examples below, it just looks as if you don't put a when one goes alone, and you have to use it when one goes with an adjective. Am I wrong? We've run out of clean towels. - It's ok, I have a spare one. I was looking for a clean...

articles

@Man_From_India ~ a noun phrase can take an article. The big cat is a noun phrase. It has an article. Big cats is also a noun phrase, without an article, so the article does not define define a noun phrase. Maybe you heard of the DP hypothesis? That is largely discredited now. As for 'one' being a pronoun, in a spare one, one is replacing 'towel' (a spare towel) so to that extent it is a pronoun -> oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/one_2 — Roaring Fish 31 mins ago

Do you think that one is a pronoun there?

(And I think big cat in the big cat is a nominal. With the addition of the the unit forms a Noun Phrase.)

Man_From_India

15:01

hmmmm CGEL calls this type of one a common noun that is used anaphorically (page 386).

Rubisco

15:31

Both are correct. Depending on what you want, you may use either option. But firstly, we need to know why you insist on picking one. — Rubisco 9 secs ago

Sometimes comment-answers are necessary.

I mean, how else would you convey that the OP's looking at it the wrong way?

Man_From_India

That one is not a pronoun. Pronoun is a Pro-form of NP, but not a pro-form of a noun. one can be used as a pro-form of noun or a nominal.

Damkerng T.

I think in analysis it all depends on the framework we use.

Rubisco

@Man_From_India You waited until I interrupted you?

Damkerng T.

Traditionally, that one would be a pronoun, but I guess it may not always be so in modern grammars.

Man_From_India

@Rubisco No NO :-) I was just reading a bit to support my idea.

@DamkerngT. nods but not in all cases.

For example in a good one.

A pronoun can't generally take an attributive modifier.

Damkerng T.

15:41

I don't think there's such a rule in traditional grammar.

(I wonder if modifier exists, even!)

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. As far as I remember my school grammar, there is not much to offer in that grammar regarding that expression - a good one.

Damkerng T.

I guess the basic idea is if it stands for a noun, it's a pronoun, and probably that's pretty much all about it.

Man_From_India

> There are many balls. But I love [the green balls]. So I asked my dad to buy [them] for me.

See here [them] don't stands for a particular noun, but the whole noun phrase.

I think traditional grammar don't make such distinction of nouns, nominals or noun phrases.

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India That thought clearly belongs to modern grammar.

Yes, I don't think they do.

Rubisco

It always stands for noun phrases.

Man_From_India

15:46

And so don't offer much.

Rubisco

Sometimes noun phrases contain only one word.

Damkerng T.

Something to think about: is someone a pronoun? (let's say in a modern grammar, because I think it is in traditional grammar)

Man_From_India

@Rubisco yes in that cases traditional grammarians are right :-)

Damkerng T.

But we can say, say, that someone, right?

Man_From_India

Sorry, I think it's not in modern grammar.

Damkerng T.

15:48

nods -- Quite possible.

Oh, no! The newly remade MacGyver wears spy glasses!

That kinda kills the spirit of MacGyver, IMO.

Anonymous

16:07

@Man_From_India I still think usually is okay in terminal position.

Anonymous

However, it should be written with a comma to indicate that it's a parenthetical.

ColleenV

Howdy y'all

@DamkerngT. What makes me sad about the new MacGyver is they started with the old "they killed my woman" trope.

Man_From_India

@snailplane nods

(I edited my answer. I removed the INCORRECT tag that I pasted against that sentence where I used usually at the end position.)

CowperKettle

16:54

Howdy, Colleen!

Damkerng T.

17:29

@ColleenV Hi!

@ColleenV Indeed. Another thing that kinda turns me down a bit is this new MacGyver is less humble than in the original series. I understand that bragging a bit may work better in this decade, where the number of followers or likes counts, though.

ColleenV

@DamkerngT. Yeah, I know that I'm old now when I hate every attempt to modernize things :)

Damkerng T.

Then again, I don't think it's that bad. I'm gonna see a couple more episodes to see where it goes. :D

@ColleenV Hehe! :D

ColleenV

I was really sad about the Ghostbuster movie

Damkerng T.

I haven't watched that one yet, but I've heard about the controversial issues.

ColleenV

it seems like they wanted the movie to fail to prove that an all-female cast can't carry a movie.

Damkerng T.

17:34

Oh! I thought they did a good job. (But I haven't watched it, so I don't really know.)

ColleenV

The actresses did, but they didn't have a good script/story

They just rehashed the same old thing from before

Damkerng T.

Ahh... I see.

Rubisco

Oh, an orange name

I mean blue

Hey Colleen

Damkerng T.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-21/…

Old news that makes me sad...

Finally, VHS followed its pal, Betamax.

Rubisco

17:49

Change is part of life.

Damkerng T.

Indeed. Very true indeed.

Rubisco

We'll be left in the past if we stick to one face.

But we are just a face ourselves.

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco So, if we stick to Facebook, ...

@Rubisco :D

Rubisco

You're recyclable prolly, but that's besides the point.

Damkerng T.

LOL

Rubisco

17:53

One has to question whether something is alive if it doesn't change.

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco Which is why staying completely still is probably the hardest thing a human being can do, according to Zen. :-)

Rubisco

That's true for my human form.

CowperKettle

18:46

@DamkerngT. I should have told that to my kindergarden teacher who always forced us to lay completely still during the afternoon nap

But I knew nothing about Zen then

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle :D

CowperKettle

(0:

Damkerng T.

Maybe your teacher knew something about Zen. :P

Rubisco

18:58

Yoda, was s/he?

Damkerng T.

If the reader knows what the number refers to and Q1-Q31 are fixed-pointed formats, I think it's fine. Adding a comma before from can improve clarity as well. — Damkerng T. 6 hours ago

scratching head -- How did I end up typing it fixed-pointed?!

Rubisco

19:12

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Q: Prevent question from being on hot network questions list

Sometimes a question that is not representative of a site makes the HNQ list. This can lead to a large bump in traffic on a question a community may not be well equipped to handle. I propose that mods and gold badge holders in the tag be able to set the "hotness points" to zero (or vote to reduce...

feature-request hot-questions

This is a good idea.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Want me to fix it? :-)

Rubisco

Oh, snailplanewoman flew in with her cape! The day is saved.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane If you'd be so kind! (Thanks in advance!)

@Rubisco You know, the first letter of snailplane is S. (^_^)

Rubisco

It stands for hope.

Damkerng T.

:D

Anonymous

19:26

If the reader knows what the number refers to and Q1-Q31 are fixed-point formats, I think it's fine. Adding a comma before from can improve clarity as well. — Damkerng T. 7 hours ago

Rubisco

Yay

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Thank you very much!

Rubisco

Fireworks

Damkerng T.

The question kept me thinking of some other good (or better) alternatives, but I wasn't able to come up with anything substantially better.

Rubisco

19:41

pls-flag linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/19792/…

Anonymous

@Rubisco Already gone.

Rubisco

I feel so powerful now.

Having removed spam on a less busy site with linking it in two chats.

THE HIDDEN POWERZ

Rubisco

19:57

Hello @Miike

Welcome to our chat

Stack Exchange

20:55

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Q: I had a discussion with a moderator, one side of the discussion is now removed

A few days ago, I posted an answer on meta. A moderator questioned the accuracy of aspects of the answer. I had an interesting discussion with that moderator in the comments. It was a very friendly, technical conversation. Purely intellectual. No ill-will or hard feelings ensued. It was quite p...

discussion comments

Damkerng T.

22:11

-1

Q: Does this 'will' sound like an order? "If you find any mistakes in my talk, will you fix it for me?"

I know there are 4 rules for if (first, second, third, and zero conditionals) but when I'm trying to use it I find myself want to use another kind of if, like when I talked to my friend and asked him "If you find any grammatical mistakes in my talk, ...", which should I have used between will and...

modal-verbs conditional-constructions politeness

I've tried and made a heavy edit. Hopefully, it won't get closed too soon.

If you find any grammatical mistakes in my talk, ... is not quite idiomatic, I think.

But may be acceptable.

I've fixed grammar to grammatical already, even though I don't want to touch original sentences much.

Damkerng T.

22:45

ordinary-gentlemen.com/2015/08/19/modern-english-grammar

Unfair treatment of traditional grammar spotted!

> Traditional grammar has a hard time analyzing any of those sentences. It wants to interpret “on” either as a preposition and find an object of the preposition, or as an adverb modifying the verb. We might analyze the preposition in (1) and (2) as having an implied object:
(1′) John put his shirt on [himself].
(2′) John put it on [himself].

Um... what?!

Does that quote mean to say that in traditional grammar, saying John put his shirt on equals John put his shirt on himself?

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