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CowperKettle

10:06

Folk song of the day

Маруся (Якби мені сивий кінь) -- Ukrainian folk song // by "Lionok"

The song is about a guy who is looking for his Marusya (Maria in English) everywhere.

For some reason he went to a far-away village, to some old couple. They don't have Marusya, only a pockmarked daughter. THey give him food, but he is constantly on the look out for Marusya (the constant refrain).

An odd song.

In the end, he flees from that house in the night. (0:

Folk songs are sometimes uber-weird but this song is still funny.

The protagonist is a kind of simpleton.

Or tries to present as a simpleton.

YouTube offers me Kouroush Yaghmei as "similar songs". It remembered that I liked the Payeez song. (0:

Cardinal

:-)

Lawrence

@SpringLearner No problem. I'm fairly new here as well. They're quite relaxed about most things here. The main leaders I've seen in this chat room are @snailplane (moderator) and @DamkerngT. (room owner). Because many of the participants are English learners, make sure that if you crack a joke, add a smilie :) on the same line or the one following it. Ask whatever question you like about English, and practice having conversations. Have fun!

Cardinal

@CowperKettle Does he succeed to find his girl?

CowperKettle

@Cardinal No, he fled in the night, and while fleeding across the village fences in the dark, someone hit him four times with a chain.

Sorry.

But the song is gregarious, a jolly song to sing.

Cardinal

@CowperKettle Awo, that is really weird.

It reminds me of "you can check it out any time you want, but you cant never leave" !

CowperKettle

10:18

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Are there humorous songs in Farsi?

Cardinal

@CowperKettle These days, almost all the songs.

I usually listen to classic Persian music

CowperKettle

But there must be old, traditional funny songs?

Cardinal

Hmm, I will check and bring them here later

CowperKettle

Okay (0:

Cardinal

I mean I should work on both searching and translating !

CowperKettle

10:21

Ah! Great, that will improve your English skills!

Cardinal

> Last thing I remember, I was
> Running for the door
> I had to find the passage back
> To the place I was before
> "Relax, " said the night man,
> "We are programmed to receive.
> You can check-out any time you like,
> But you can never leave! "

Hotel California, Eagles

CowperKettle

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Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Ah, I see it now.

Anonymous

@Student Thank you :-)

Anonymous

The second sentence would never be composed by a native English speaker. It is meaningless unless that or which is inserted before resulted. Please tell us why you think you could use resulted here? — P. E. Dant 4 hours ago

Anonymous

10:24

Because bare relatives are ungrammatical with a gap in subject position.

Cardinal

@snailplane I think it would be great if you answer the question.

Jim Reynolds

@Cardinal That's a fine thought, but let's perhaps be careful not to pressure anyone. We can all make our contributions in our own ways, right?

Cardinal

Oh, yes of course. It was just a suggestion.

Anonymous

It's okay, let's think of it as encouragement rather than pressuring :-)

Jim Reynolds

"Hotel California" evokes deep emotions in me. Probably in large part because of my age at the time it was popular.

@snailplane I'd really rather you think of it as pressure

Here's @law's smile :-)

I think that the lines Some dance to remember / Some dance to forget can be taken to quite profound levels in terms of psychology

CowperKettle

10:40

Some forget to dance

This is the only song by the Eagles that I know of

SpringLearner

@Lawrence Thanks for guiding

CowperKettle

Just found another good song for jogging to

Ой розвивайся та сухий дубе - Ukrainian folk song // by "Chervona kalyna"

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I'll now save it into mp3..

Lawrence

@Cardinal @snailplane I second that.

@SpringLearner :)

Damkerng T.

@snailplane :)

@CowperKettle I don't know why the last part of the song makes me think of an anime song!

เพลงหน้ากากเสือ แสดงสด : Tiger Mask - Live ดูก่อนถูกลบ

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(Comes with Japanese subtitles. ^_^)

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. Kozack anime! (0:

Nice (0:

Damkerng T.

10:55

:D

CowperKettle

Фумоффу - Підманула, підвела (AMV)

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Ukrainian/Japanese (0:

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I'm not familiar with this anime, but the melody is quite refreshing!

CowperKettle

This anime is "フルメタル・パニック?ふもっふ"

Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu

Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu (フルメタル・パニック? ふもっふ, Furumetaru Panikku? Fumoffu) is a companion series to the anime series Full Metal Panic! by Kyoto Animation, and takes place between the first season and The Second Raid. Markedly different in tone to the first series, Fumoffu emphasizes the high school romantic comedy aspects of Full Metal Panic! with often crude humor and focuses on the romantic tension between Sousuke Sagara and Kaname Chidori. It frequently parodies itself and anime stereotypes. None of the mecha combat or political intrigue, which characterized much of the original Full Metal Panic...

Damkerng T.

A lad, girls, a robot, and a bear. Must be interesting! :P

CowperKettle

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Too conventional for a Japanese cartoon, but that will do

I need to find some new old English folk songs

Or Scottish, like this one

Rantin' Rovin Robin - Andy M. Stewart

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Damkerng T.

11:10

I like the silvery sound of guitar, and the Scottish-ish of the vocal. I wonder if I've heard it or something similar somewhere before.

CowperKettle

Jim Malcolm - "Rantin' Rovin Robin"

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I love this version, but the quality of the record is bad.

Too bad there's no studio recording of this

Damkerng T.

A-ha! You were there! :D

CowperKettle

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Damkerng T.

11:24

Interesting. YouTube recommended me this clip after the song.

6 Things that are OKAY in Japan (but are illegal/rude in the USA)

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They're a cute couple. :D

CowperKettle

Yes

Damkerng T.

Ah, I made a slip with my recommend. I guess it could happen from time to time when I engaged in too many things. :-)

CowperKettle

A slip?

Is 'recommended' wrong?

Damkerng T.

I think I should've said recommended this clip to me instead. :D

CowperKettle

Word of the day: screen failure (a patient who failed to pass screening tests during a clinical trial) -- "A clinical trial term of art for a potential subject/patient who did not meet one or more criteria at screening that was required for participation in the study."

Damkerng T.

11:31

nods

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. ah, I never noticed!

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. They're adorable!

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence Totally. :D

CowperKettle

She says it is weird for old men to sit in a park and watch children playing?

They should sit in their homes? O_O

Or they should be in a separate park? (0:

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Maybe they should walk or something? :D

CowperKettle

11:38

Russian "Immediate Virologic Response" is translated into English as "End-Of-Treatment Virologic Response".

Damkerng T.

Old men sitting in a park and watching children playing. -- possibly weird

Old men walking in a park and watching children playing. -- not as weird :P

CowperKettle

That's weird

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I don't know how to relate the two.

@CowperKettle Hee

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. Yes, it's very, very strange. Russian doctors chose "immediate" to mean "immediate after THE END OF THE TREATMENT"

Cardinal

mazandarani (مازندرانی).mp4

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CowperKettle

11:40

But nobody sees this "after the end of treatment"

@Cardinal A humorous song?

Cardinal

Not, almost :)

He asks his parent to find a girl for him

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal Haha! :D

CowperKettle

@Cardinal Nice!

Cardinal

He enumerates some towns in Mazandaran province and says:

People in those cities have special characteristics

He ridicules those attitudes and imply he does not like having girl from those towns !

Lawrence

@CowperKettle If it's the immune response to the introduced vaccine (or to whatever the treatment did), then it's only natural for it to occur after the treatment. It would be odd to have the response happen before treatment. If it happened during treatment, I'm not sure that it should be called a response.

Cardinal

11:45

then, he says some weird things about haunting and animals

CowperKettle

@Lawrence nods

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal Oh, no! He gave up on girls?

CowperKettle

@Cardinal You might try to do a prose translation (0:

Cardinal

Finally, he describes his preferable girl, Phiroze ! :-)

CowperKettle

That would be very interesting!

Cardinal

11:47

You know, In Iran we have almost 7 other local languages, besides Persian

There are a lot of folk music that I cannot understand, Turkey, Kurdi, Lori, ...

CowperKettle

But this song is in your language?

Cardinal

@CowperKettle yes

CowperKettle

It Takes a Married Man to Sing a Worried Song - Woody Guthrie

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Анатолій Кочерга - Казав мені батько

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Cardinal

I know two local languages: "Mazandarani", Fluently and "Gilaki", partially .

CowperKettle

This Ukrainian song has it in a reverse fashion: "My dad said, get yourself a wife son"

Cardinal

11:51

@CowperKettle :)

CowperKettle

> My dad said, get yourself a wife son
Stop going to the neighboring girls
Stop your philandering!"

> I replied "I'm a good Cossack!"
"I'm never filandering!"
It's only when I see a girl, I spend a night in that house,
And if the girl is young, I spend two nights"

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He goes on to sing

> Until I married I never worried
Never cared about utensils, spoons and stuff
And about prams

> Now that I'm married, I'm constantly a-worry
About utensils and stuff, and about prams for the kids

> When I come into my khata (house),
One kid says "daddy!", other says "daddy"
The third just babbles, and my wife says
"Stop idling, take your hat and be on your way!

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle LOL

CowperKettle

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Cardinal

@CowperKettle =))

@CowperKettle :-)

Jim Reynolds

12:11

Songs - Traditional - Billy Boy, Billy Boy, Charming Billy

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CowperKettle

Nice song!

16

A: Assigned to a job I know nothing about it - is there an idiom for that idea?

A common metaphor for this is to say you've been "thrown in the deep end", referring to the (supposed) practice of teaching someone to swim by throwing them into a swimming pool at the deep end, where they'll drown if they don't figure out on their own how to swim.

Nice

I should add this into Anki somehow, but I can't recall a similar expression in Russian

Ah, recalled one'

Somewhy I recalled the English idiom "at the coalface"

Damkerng T.

12:33

Thai has a perfect phrase for it, but it's untranslatable. Somewhat close to "(mere) inkling".

Ah, there's another one, somewhat like "to do something without knowing north or south"!

Oh, there are more, but they're even more difficult to translate!

CowperKettle

In Russian, there is a close expression в омут с головой (into the very deep of the water), but it presumes volition on the part of the subject.

Damkerng T.

nods

One of the Thai phrases I was thinking of is like "to die (the) next sword", when translated literally.

CowperKettle

Hm

It's hard to imagine what it means

Damkerng T.

It doesn't make sense in English at all, does it? :-)

CowperKettle

Yes, maybe because there are some markers in Thai that clarify the meaning

Russian "hybrid protein" is English "fusion protein"

Because there's no fitting word for "fusion" in Russian that would sound "scientific"

Damkerng T.

12:42

@CowperKettle It's somewhat like in a battle (when we still used swords), a person who got wounded by a sword may not die yet, but they wouldn't be sure what would happen next, would they survive and such, so the best move is probably to keep fighting, and face their fate the next sword (and the next and the next, until they either survive or die).

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. And this expression is now applied to a person who is thrown in deep end at work?

Damkerng T.

(It usually implies that it's better than not doing anything.)

CowperKettle

Ah!

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle In a squad, the leader may tell his subordinates, let's die the next sword!

And they would all go into the battle and keep fighting.

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. Nice expression

> And how can man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods.

(I learned this line in a movie with Tom Cruise)

Damkerng T.

12:45

@CowperKettle :D

CowperKettle

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Deo

@CowperKettle Oblivion? :)

CowperKettle

@Deo Yes, a nice movie (0:

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I think fusion being used this way is relatively new (like it's been used less than a decade or so).

CowperKettle

nods

Deo

12:48

@CowperKettle It is not bad, undoubtedly stylish, but I didn't enjoy the ending.

CowperKettle

@Deo Of course it's not Das Boot or The Pianist, but for a Tom Cruise movie it was good

I feel not as weak, will try doing some actual work. BBL (0:

Damkerng T.

Yay! See you soon!

Deo

@CowperKettle I don't say it's bad, I liked it. But ending part was.. Anticlimactic for me. Also, I like Edge of Tomorrow more, and Minority Report even more

Is there "Tom Cruise sci-fi movies" genre on IMDB already? :)

Damkerng T.

@Deo All are nice movies! :-) -- I'm sure if you searched you would find that someone has already made such a list.

Cardinal

> Ah, the last time we saw you you looked so much older
> Your famous blue raincoat was torn at the shoulder
> You'd been to the station to meet every train
> And you came home without Lili Marlene

L. Cohen

Damkerng T.

13:06

@V.V. I just read your answer to the absolute infinito (ell.stackexchange.com/a/102999/3281). I don't know if your interpretation is correct. I understand it differently, but then again, I could be wrong.

Lawrence

13:23

@V.V. I agree with @DamkerngT. on this one. Have a look at this page and do a text search for "finito". The definition is "the absolute end"; ultimate or ideal. The context of the quote also demonstrates this, especially the sentence in the book before the part quoted by the OP, as well as the part just after the quoted portion. Feel free to use the contents of this message and the link etc to modify your answer.

Damkerng T.

running amok because agreement! Yay! -- (preparing fireworks) :-)

Lawrence

(@V.V.) ... There's a sort of double-inversion of opinion. Holly mentions Jose's character flaws, but then says things to indicate that she absolutely adores Jose (the part about giving up smoking is telling). The second 'inversion' (not a technical term) is saying that even though she adores Jose, he's not the "absolute finito", or ideal man in her opinon. If we look sequentially, he's her "first non-rat romance" BUT not "absolute infinito" (because of flaws), BUT she does "love Jose".

(@V.V.) ... Useful link: whysanity.net/monos/tiffany.html

@DamkerngT. :) . Here you go, one blast of fireworks on the star board. ------>

Damkerng T.

:D

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. You know, I've never had anyone prepare fireworks just because I agreed with them. It's really nice. Thank you.

Damkerng T.

13:42

@Lawrence img.scoop.it/…

Jim Reynolds

@Cardinal Three of which you made up yourself, and only you know!

Damkerng T.

Aww... one boxing didn't work!

@Lawrence :)

Deo

And now I want to play Hanabi...

Damkerng T.

:D

Jim Reynolds

@Lawrence Crack a joke then add a simile? This is a fun challenge!! .. <thinking>

Usernew

13:50

Is there any way to get one point from this site?

Damkerng T.

@Usernew Someone you downvoted their post just deleted their post, perhaps.

Jim Reynolds

@Usernew Someone can upvote a comment you made

Usernew

hmmm but who? :)

That's too much work, innit?

Damkerng T.

@Usernew That's a good thing about SE. You'll never know who. :-)

Jim Reynolds

We can't tell. You have a secret admirer!

Usernew

13:53

I hope it remains a secret

@DamkerngT. I will dig deep.

Damkerng T.

LOL

Usernew

:D

bye @dam @jim

o/

V.V.

I love you, people. But we have the same expression in our language, absolutely with the same meaning.

Damkerng T.

@Usernew o/ See you around!

V.V.

But thank you very much for caring.

Did I make many mistakes?

Damkerng T.

13:57

@V.V. Maybe the author deliberately used it the way they liked? I don't know. :)

Jim Reynolds

@Usernew buh bye

Can my joke be a riddle?

What is red and smells like blue paint?

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. Nice. :)

Damkerng T.

@V.V. I don't know. I didn't claim that my interpretation is 100% correct, though it makes more sense to me that way.

@Lawrence Glad you like it! :D

Jim Reynolds

Is anyone trying to guess my riddle?

V.V.

Let it be the reason for a discussion. I can always delete it, anyway.

Damkerng T.

14:03

@JimReynolds I was thinking if your riddle is zeugma. :P

Also, what does blue paint smell like?

Lawrence

@JimReynolds You had me going again. I had to check. Shifty 'i's. :P

Damkerng T.

@V.V. Judging from the passage I saw, it sounded something like, yes, he's not Mr. Perfect for me, but I choose him anyway.

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. Is those Japanese characters? I'm pretty sure it's not written in Thai.

V.V.

Red paint

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. a figure of speech in which a word applies to two others in different senses (e.g. John and his driving licence expired last week ).

Damkerng T.

14:06

@Lawrence Yes, it's Japanese. They're very good at this stuff. :)

Jim Reynolds

@V.V. You got it!

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. Yes, very creative.

Damkerng T.

@V.V. applauds!

V.V.

IJim, be nice, please, check my mistakes.

Jim Reynolds

@V.V. Which?

V.V.

14:09

Thanks, I haven't lost my head after that "finito"

Jim Reynolds

Now the requisite simile

How like the winter hath my absence been

V.V.

Thanks, Dam.

Lawrence

@JimReynolds Smilie, smilie! Not simile! XD

Jim Reynolds

I'm using the SE Android APP now. No help with my chat problem. The chat function is Powered by Chrome.

@Lawrence I know what I read

Lawrence

@JimReynolds Gotta/hafta check your 'i's then. :)

V.V.

14:15

@JimReynolds In my answer.

Jim Reynolds

My eyes are like red paint

Lawrence

@JimReynolds Good ol' Billy. Yes, it would be much colder here with your absence. Then again, we had fireworks when you were away. :P

Jim Reynolds

@V.V. What answer, where?

Lawrence

@JimReynolds - @V.V. is referring to the following answer:

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A: What does the phrase 'the absolute finito' means here?

Finito in this sentence corresponds to Italian uomo finito possessing a negative connotation. Finished here means good-for-nothing or hopeless. He is not my idea of the absolute finito.= I don't think he is hopeless /that bad, because he has some positive features of character and he does som...

... in relation to @DamkerngT. and my comments:

1 hour ago, by Damkerng T.

@V.V. I just read your answer to the absolute infinito (http://ell.stackexchange.com/a/102999/3281). I don't know if your interpretation is correct. I understand it differently, but then again, I could be wrong.

53 mins ago, by Lawrence

@V.V. I agree with @DamkerngT. on this one. Have a look at this page and do a text search for "finito". The definition is "the absolute end"; ultimate or ideal. The context of the quote also demonstrates this, especially the sentence in the book before the part quoted by the OP, as well as the part just after the quoted portion. Feel free to use the contents of this message and the link etc to modify your answer.

46 mins ago, by Lawrence

(@V.V.) ... There's a sort of double-inversion of opinion. Holly mentions Jose's character flaws, but then says things to indicate that she absolutely adores Jose (the part about giving up smoking is telling). The second 'inversion' (not a technical term) is saying that even though she adores Jose, he's not the "absolute finito", or ideal man in her opinon. If we look sequentially, he's her "first non-rat romance" BUT not "absolute infinito" (because of flaws), BUT she does "love Jose".

46 mins ago, by Lawrence

(@V.V.) ... Useful link: http://www.whysanity.net/monos/tiffany.html

Jim Reynolds

@V.V. Capote simply meant end.

If a man is the absolute end, he is the ideal. There can be no better. > He's not perfect.

Lawrence

14:20

@JimReynolds Infinito, not capote.

Jim Reynolds

O.O

Lawrence

@JimReynolds Scroll up to the question's title.

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence Um, it's finito. I (mis)wrote it in here because it was completely new to me. :-)

Jim Reynolds

The title says finito.

Lawrence

@JimReynolds I got an in with it. :)

Jim Reynolds

14:22

But I sense it could be either and mean the same.

Lawrence

@JimReynolds My mistake.

Jim Reynolds

@Lawrence You spilled an in in it

Lawrence

No wonder it looked shorter on the main page.

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence I'm sure you got it from me. :D

Jim Reynolds

@Law You asked my opinion on something ...

Lawrence

14:23

@DamkerngT. Even so, I should have done my own due diligence. Even @JimReynolds caught it! :P

Jim Reynolds

Quite a ways up.

Lawrence

@JimReynolds What was it?

Damkerng T.

:D

Jim Reynolds

Is it easy for you to re-paste it?

Lawrence

@JimReynolds The one I deleted?

Or the multiple one-boxes?

Jim Reynolds

14:25

Let me see if I can find it

I'm suffering room navigation fatigue syndrome

Damkerng T.

Off-topic: Wow, I just saw someone fail his job interview because he said 'I think'! "The bottom line is, do you want this job?" "Yes, I think I want it." -- And that was it. It was clear in the faces of all interviewers that he wouldn't get the job.

Lawrence

@JimReynolds Sound like ... :)

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. O.O

Damkerng T.

Then again, I think (Methinks!) I wouldn't say 'I think' in his situation.

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. I use it a lot. But sometimes, it carries with it a sense of hesitation. When asked whether someone wants something that is considered to be really good (TM), if they still need time to consider, it's a clue that either they don't really want it, or they have academic leanings.

@JimReynolds Have you found it?

Damkerng T.

14:29

@Lawrence Yes, I think that was exactly why the interviewers rejected him.

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. I suppose it wasn't because they didn't want academics.

:)

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence Oh, it was an interview for a movie director.

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. That's a job that calls for decisiveness.

Jim Reynolds

I once replied to Tell us about a mistake you made . . . ? job interview question by recounting how a joke I tried to tell was interpreted as an ethnic slur and hurt someone's feelings. I knew I lost the job halfway through my answer. I was just like 23 or so. Not savvy.

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence nods

@JimReynolds Aww

Lawrence

14:31

@JimReynolds Sorry to hear that.

Jim Reynolds

Live and learn

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds Actually, I think your answer was quite frank.

Deo

@JimReynolds But what was that joke?

Jim Reynolds

@Deo I'm smarter now. Let's say I forgot.

Lawrence

@Deo Don't know, don't care. Well, ..., no if it hurt someone's feelings, it's probably best to not repeat the mistake.

Deo

14:33

But I'm curious!

You cruel people! How about my feelings?

Damkerng T.

patting Deo's back ... :-)

Deo

I challenge you to en ethical trolley problem with ethnic slurry jokes

Lawrence

offers a cup of tea

Hang on, I think @V.V. is still waiting for @JimReynolds to critique her answer.

Jim Reynolds

I actually don't remember it exactly. But there is a stereotype regarding Black Americans and watermelon.

Damkerng T.

nods -- To Deo, let's die next joke, rather than this one. ;-)

Jim Reynolds

14:36

@V.V. I answered, right?

Damkerng T.

Maybe @V.V. got a problem with the internet connection again.

Jim Reynolds

theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/…

Wow. This promises to be interesting.

Deo

@JimReynolds Oh, wow, I didn't know about all this.

Probably because I'm leaving in opposite part of the world

Jim Reynolds

Some people will make a connection in a racist way.

@Deo Yes. Makes sense.

Cardinal

@JimReynolds I didn't understand that Jimi

Lawrence

14:41

@DamkerngT. I just checked. She deleted her answer. Someone else has posted something along the lines you mentioned. Feel free to use my notes for your own answer, if you like. I held back from posting an answer so that V.V. could simply edit hers, but for me to post one there now would just make it look like a me, too. Your comment predates the new answer, so if you're interested, go for it.

Jim Reynolds

@Cardinal You said there are seven languages.... I joked that three of them are your own personal languages that no one else speaks.

V.V.

Sorry, I am disappearing. No, I deleted the answer. I think you are right.

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence The current answer looks good to me. I guess I can't write a better one. :-)

Jim Reynolds

I once had a friend in my home who brought a Black guest.

We had watermelon for dessert.

Damkerng T.

(But why is Long Answer as long as Short Answer?!)

Lawrence

14:44

@JimReynolds He said there were almost seven languages. I wondered about the 'almost'.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds It's my favorite fruit, actually.

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. :)

V.V.

Can we say "I will try not to be very late."?

Lawrence

@JimReynolds Wow. The things we don't realise.

Jim Reynolds

I said, "Some people might say .. something something about the guest and watermelon." My friends all knew I was making fun of racists. But the Black woman had never met me before, and it embarrassed her. It was a horrible feeling for both of us.

Damkerng T.

14:46

@V.V. If I heard that I would think you're going to be late, just not very late. :P

Cardinal

@JimReynolds You are almost right except Turkey, Arabic, Kurdi and Balochi which are spoken in some other neighbor countries. We have different ethnicities with different cultures and languages, I can also mention the Armenian language.

Lawrence

@Cardinal Why almost seven?

V.V.

@DamkerngT. Then how to say that properly?

Cardinal

@Lawrence I am not sure about the exact number o_O

Lawrence

@Cardinal Ok. :)

Damkerng T.

14:49

@V.V. I'll try not to be late could be a good option.

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. ... and then build on it, Yoda style: "there is no try" - "I won't be very late". And finally, refine it to something that has a target, e.g. "I'll be there by 10pm". But it will depend on @V.V.'s specific situations.

V.V.

@DamkerngT. I need " not very"

Damkerng T.

Hmm... that's a tough one for me.

In any case, saying I'll try not to be very late or I won't be very late doesn't necessarily mean that I'll be late, but not very late.

Deo

@V.V. Does it need change? Sounds ok to me

Lawrence

@V.V. Can you express what you want to say in different words? After we understand what you actually want to say, we can help you reword it.

Jim Reynolds

14:55

@V.V. Not to be too late is a bit more common. But there's nothing wrong with very.

(I might be late, but) I'll try not to be very late.

V.V.

I am trying to explain that I will do my best to come home before it gets dark, for exmple.

Lawrence

@V.V. What you have there is actually a good way to say it.

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. I'll try not to be too late, is actually much more common, if it's not clear that I'll be late.

But the try implies may fail.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I know I might say this only when I'm planning to be late. :P

Jim Reynolds

But I'll try not to come home too late is perfectly idiomatic.

Damkerng T.

15:03

I'm not imposing the same interpretation on others, though. :D

Jim Reynolds

Later than expected, proper, normal, than would cause worry, etc.

V.V.

They give such sentences in translation exercises. I feel this ambiguity, but cannot submit a better variant.

Lawrence

Bye, everyone.

Jim Reynolds

Stressing too shifts the meaning.

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence Have a nice (rest of the?) day

V.V.

15:09

@Lawrence Bye

Deo

@Lawrence Bye

Jim Reynolds

@Lawrence Bye-ya

Deo

What music do you pleople listen?

Damkerng T.

15:31

@Deo I haven't listened to music much lately.

Jim Reynolds

15:48

Ben Howard - Black Flies (Maida Vale session)

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I like this song

He said it was inspired by the loss of a friendship

CowperKettle

Evening, Miss V.V.

How's weather in your neck of the woods?

V.V.

Hi, brother Kettle

It was nice, but I see a big black cloud in the sky. It's going to fall on my house.

CowperKettle

@JimReynolds Good song!

Don't Think Twice It's All Right - Bob Dylan

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I like this song.

When I first heard it in 1996 I could not believe I lived years without hearing it once. How could such a song not be transmitted everywhere.

Bob Dylan - Mama, You`ve Been On My Mind

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I also had a cassette where Dylan sings this song together with Joan Baez

At some point he forgets the words .. and just plays. Joan says: continue. He says: I don't remember. So she continues.

@V.V. Clouds are weightless, so no problem if it does fall (0:

John Hiatt - Before I Go (Lyrics in description)

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I like this song. I read somewhere that G.W. Bush likes Hiatt too, so there is something that unites us. (0:

CowperKettle

16:29

Ben Howard - I Forget Where We Were

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> Oh, hey
I wasn't listening
I was watching Syria blinded by the sunshine strip
And you, you were in the kitchen
Oh, your mariner's mouth
The wounded with the wounder's whip

What is "sunshine strip"?

CowperKettle

16:42

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A: What kind of ship is this?

It's a heavy-lift vessel, carrying four identical structures as cargo. It's very likely they are jacket foundations for offshore wind turbines. The excellent 4C Offshore has a database of such vessels used on offshore wind farms. It also has a list of all offshore windfarms under construction by...

What is the meaning of "jacket" in "jacket foundation"?

Bye, Snails.

Damkerng T.

16:59

@CowperKettle The page the answer linked to has the answer to that. :D

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