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Anonymous

02:45

@DamkerngT. It's interesting that Wikipedia chose a picture of a bunch of dictionaries for their "English grammar" module.

CowperKettle

03:10

@snailplane Because the majority of people would not understand Quirk et al and CGEL

Good morning!

Anonymous

@CowperKettle I don't know of a really good treatment of conditional constructions in English, in any case.

Anonymous

I'm not saying there isn't one, just that I'm not familiar with it :-)

Anonymous

Good morning!

CowperKettle

03:26

Maybe Lecon Chekon will come up with a good treatment of conditionals some years from now. (0:

Anonymous

03:39

I hear a certain user whose name rhymes with Laraucaria is working on one :-)

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Oh, I see, you were replying to what I said about the dictionaries.

Anonymous

It does seem weird though, doesn't it, to use a picture of books that aren't about grammar to illustrate grammar? :-)

Anonymous

I wonder what else would make a good illustration, though.

Anonymous

I mean, there are an awful lot of grammars out there.

Anonymous

I wonder if another kind of illustration would work :-)

Anonymous

03:51

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Q: What's the difference between "That is not good" & "That is not well"? In what context each expression should be used?

What ´s the difference between "That is not good" & "That is not well"? In what context each expression should be used or it does not make any difference? Example: That´s not good. He should do the right thing" and That´s not well. He should do the right thing

grammar

Anonymous

What do you think about reopening this question?

Anonymous

04:05

I think I'm going to reopen it. I agree with Araucaria's comment. It looks like the same question superficially, but the answer on the other question doesn't really address when you should (or shouldn't!) use "That's not well."

Anonymous

@DEAD By the way, I think your question about forbade, forbad, and forbid would be at home on EL&U :-)

CowperKettle

04:29

@snailplane Yes, it's a bit odd. (0:

I'm editing some stuff, so I'm in a(?) lurk mode. (0:

Anonymous

05:03

@CowperKettle No a. Just in lurk mode :-)

DEAD

@snailplane I need to first persuade myself to post on a main site, and then persuade myself to post on a site for the first time, and then persuade myself to post on ELU.

user62015

05:34

Hi

Anonymous

05:50

Hi :-)

Damkerng T.

06:23

@snailplane Yay! -- "That's not well" sounds like English in another place or another time for me.

CowperKettle

Russian Third September song

Sawasdee khrap, Dam!

Damkerng T.

Third September? Oh, I see!

Sawasdee khrap!

CowperKettle

There's this annoying song about Third September. "I'll turn the calendar leaf over, and it's third september again" it goes.

Suits the Groundhog Day

'Ya kalendar pererernu, i snova tretye sentyabra" (I calendar turn, and again third september)

And then our hero breaks the radio.

Damkerng T.

LOL

CowperKettle

(0:

Damkerng T.

06:33

> 4 a b wordreference.com: single forum post (Reliable source quoted in an online forum, changed slightly here to prevent confusing American speakers with the original's plural pronoun.) To stress willingness or wish, you can use "would" or "will" in both clauses of the same sentence: If he would practise more, he would play better. If he will practise more, he will play better. Both mean the same. (Based on the examples and explanations from Practical English Usage, Michael Swan, Oxford)

@snailplane It's a bit odd that they use a discussion thread at wordreference as a reference instead of using PEU, too!

Anonymous

07:10

@DamkerngT. That is rather odd! You've definitely read the page more closely than me.

user227867

07:28

@snailplane 'Than I have', LOL.

Jim Reynolds

@JasperLoy Than me is standard English, as Ms. plane has employed it here. Your suggestion may be considered more formal by some.

Some may call your suggestion a rule, but they can give no evidence that it's ungrammatical except citing opinions.

Anonymous

@JasperLoy arnoldzwicky.org/2012/01/23/dinosaur-grammar

Jim Reynolds

We can certainly have our preferences, though!

Anonymous

Than can be a preposition taking a noun phrase complement, and it often is.

DEAD

-40

A: Request for community attention on a moderator's behavior

Perspective of a lounger that isn't particularly caught in the heat one way or another. Additionally, this is more of a general tale than addressing the particular events that triggered the current situation. And lastly, the lounge hosts multiple (overlapping) subsets of people that have differen...

Chat drama is the best drama.

Anonymous

07:39

@DEAD Dang, and I'd managed to forget about that already.

Jim Reynolds

@DEAD It shouldn't be difficult for you to persuade given that your persuadee is not very bright

Moderators must be held to the highest standards, and publicly humiliated regularly to promote community cohesion

lekon chekon

Hey.

Damkerng T.

@DEAD That thread is quite old. :)

@lekonchekon Hey, ho! :)

DEAD

@DamkerngT. Still yummy

@lekonchekon \o

lekon chekon

@DamkerngT. hey.
I don't even remember the last time I was here. :3
Hey, @DEAD. :3

Now, I have a few questions that I'd like answered. :P

Damkerng T.

07:53

@lekonchekon Many moons ago. :D

lekon chekon

xD

should I start? :|

Damkerng T.

Sure! :)

DEAD

@DamkerngT. I count five.

lekon chekon

I'm the admin of a page where people send stuff they've written, asking me to post them.
Now, a few minutes ago a guy wrote something and sent it to me.
And it was about how love causes you pain, but is at the same time, one of the best feelings ever.
So, If I posted it, putting up a caption alongside it that would go " XXXX writes to us about the afflictions of love and its antidotes.", would it be grammatically incorrect?

or, "With this one, he writes to us about the afflictions of love and its antidotes."

or "In this one, he writes to us about the afflictions of love and its antidotes."

Damkerng T.

A caption?

lekon chekon

08:00

kinda.
I just need a phrase to address his word.

Damkerng T.

The difference is only the front part. I don't think it matters much. Write what you mean, and it should he fine.

lekon chekon

are the three I used, right?

In this one, he writes....

does this one sound right?

Damkerng T.

It depends on what you want it to mean, I think.

lekon chekon

In this one, he writes to us about the afflictions of love and its antidotes.
With this one.....

How do you interpret these two sentences?

Damkerng T.

With this one sounds a bit odd, considering the rest of the sentence, IMO.

Jim Reynolds

08:02

0

Q: Usage of "UN" Prefix

Is it natural to say "Unparse"? Sounds scratchy, and weird, but I've seen such kind of words... Is it normal to put un before to any word to make it opposite? And if a word can't take un as a prefix, how can we render such word to mean its reverse or reversing, opposite, etc., as un normally do...

word-usage prefixes

I think this could be a good question

But it was unquestioned. :-(

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I don't know what they think of or how they're going to use unparse.

lekon chekon

@DamkerngT., what about this one

XXXX writes to us about the afflictions of love and its antidotes.

what about this one?
how do you interpret this one?

Damkerng T.

I'm guessing... maybe it's 'unparsed'.

@lekonchekon Assuming that he writes that, it's fine as a caption.

lekon chekon

okay.
He's already written it.
I'll post it his writing, alongside my caption on the of the whole thing.

Damkerng T.

BTW, I don't have an exact picture of your page layout. I assume that it's simlar to figures in papers or photos on photo album websites.

lekon chekon

08:07

i'll post his writing*

wait.

i'll show you

facebook.com/soumya.9872313/posts/…

seems fine?

@JimReynolds.
Hey.

Damkerng T.

@lekonchekon Yes, it's fine.

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. I gave an example in the comments

o/

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds \o

Hmm... I just checked out the first revision. I think it's a different question now!

Jim Reynolds

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unparser

Damkerng T.

The original reads like a question asking about the validity of unparse but using "Usage of "UN" Prefix" as the title.

Jim Reynolds

08:14

They essentially want to know if we can un everything

Damkerng T.

The question in its current form reads like a general question about the un- prefix, with unparse as an example.

Jim Reynolds

I think it's clear they were asking if we can "always" un a word

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I think they don't really think so. (But they would be happy if answers address it, I think.)

Jim Reynolds

And if not by prefixing it with un then how?

It might or might not get an interesting answer, methinks

Damkerng T.

I read their And how to find proper equivalent of a word like that without "Un" prefix? as, Well, if the un- for my unparse doesn't work, what else could I use?

Jim Reynolds

08:17

Right

It seems to ask about uning generally, and in that particular

:-)

Damkerng T.

Oh, they added - Does it normal to put it before to any words to make it opposite? in revision 2.

Jim Reynolds

If we incorrectly un something, we should un-un it ASAP

Damkerng T.

Possibly a duplicate.

Jim Reynolds

Oh. I'll page a mod to research that. They work for us, you know.

@snailplane, service please!

CowperKettle

The guy who was catching Pokemons in a church a week ago has been put under a 2-month arrest before his case is heard

Good afternoon, @JimReynolds!

Damkerng T.

08:22

3

Q: Negation prefixes: un- or in-?

Is there any general rule how to choose between negation prefixes? Sometimes it's un- like in unpopular or unhealthy, while in other cases it's in- (and its variants) like in impossible or irrelevant.

prefixes

It's a bit sad that not all of our old answers are rock solid.

Jim Reynolds

@CowperKettle I pronounce that sentence weird.

CowperKettle

@JimReynolds "Good afternoon"?

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Interesting!

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. He was arrested by a group of armed (!) spec-ops, at 6 a.m.

At his flat.

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. I think it's sort of a duplicate. A semiduplicate. It's duplicatish.

CowperKettle

08:25

I mean, with automatic rifles and in all the gear.

F*&ers.

Jim Reynolds

To be fair, the guy was assaulting Pokemons

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle ! -- That's ..., um, I don't know what to say.

CowperKettle

@JimReynolds LOL

@JimReynolds He was not assaulting Putinmon, so It's a bit odd still.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds nods

Jim Reynolds

@CowperKettle I think it's hard to guess what constitutes an assault on Him.

Damkerng T.

08:27

I think it boils down to this:

Doesn't seem like a great rule to go by to me -- what about "popular?" Unpopular is the correct negation of that, but popular derives from Latin as well. In my opinion this is "one of those things" in English that you simply have to memorize for each given word, unfortunately (there's another one for you). — Crazy Eyes Jul 13 '15 at 20:18

CowperKettle

@JimReynolds Indeed. Maybe he's a Pokemon!

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Pukemon? :P

Jim Reynolds

Lol!

DEAD

@JimReynolds Moving a pack of missiles to a country besides Russia.

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. That's it. Spetsnaz is on the way to your house, Dam.

DEAD

08:29

@DamkerngT. Rule number 34 says robots shouldn't make jokes.

Damkerng T.

I'm sorry! I didn't mean it! -- hides

CowperKettle

(0:

Jim Reynolds

@DEAD O.O

Can someone unDEAD him?

DEAD

@DamkerngT. You, Robot is coming to cinemas.

Jim Reynolds

Wait. No. Leave him dead. But wait, no. That's not working either.

panics and falls down

Damkerng T.

08:31

@DEAD We, Robot, another sequel is already in production. :)

CowperKettle

I checked my TSH, to see if it went down because I upped my L-thyro dosage 2 months back, and it actually went up - from 2.0 to 2.5. Just returned with the results. Why on earth, I dunno. It should be going lower with increased medication. O_O

Now a fresh round of doctor visits is ahead..

Damkerng T.

nods

Maybe it's food or work.

CowperKettle

I doubt that.. lots of people work like horses and eat like.. horses and nothing happens to their TSH. (0:

I wanted to go bicycling today but feel way too weak. Otherwise I would not care about it.

So I'll do some translation work.

Lurk mode on.

Jim Reynolds

@CowperKettle That sucks, to use the formal term. I hope you get it figured out.

Damkerng T.

Have you made an appointment?

CowperKettle

08:36

I'll made it on Monday. (0:

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I see. Hope it's nothing.

CowperKettle

@JimReynolds Thanks! I'll try to figure it out. (0:

Melman mode on.

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Oh no!

Anonymous

@JimReynolds Un- is very productive in English today, but it does have limitations. Formation of new words with un- is sometimes blocked by the existence in the lexicon of a word with a different lexical negator, like in-. For example, we say impossible, but we usually only say unpossible if we're quoting Ralph Wiggum.

Anonymous

We can say that the existence of impossible in our vocabulary blocks the formation of *unpossible.

Jim Reynolds

08:42

@DamkerngT. Interesting issue! My students and friends often say I knew it when it should be know because they still know. And it relates to the I will be late for five minutes issue. As well as nice to meet you to someone when it should be nice to see you again.

@snailplane Nicely said, and interesting.

@snailplane So its use has expanded relatively recently. "7-Up. The un-cola". Etc.

The term undo probably spiked with the introduction of MS Word.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I'm just seeing your message (in the question) strikes me as unidiomatic.

(Hey, that's another un-!)

uncomplicate, a verb, is used half-jokingly quite often in lots of movies...

to the point that I think it's a real word now.

Jim Reynolds

Like snailplane said, "very productive". If in doubt, un it!

Damkerng T.

:D

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. Maybe I'll write a question on this topic for the room. I doubt it, but I might.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds Hope you'll turn that might to am going to soon!

Jim Reynolds

08:52

I think that we can relate it (see, saw, am seeing) in this type of have perceived and may or may not continue to perceive (either actually or "in mind") ...

Without relying on much beyond the commonly understood traditional uses of the tenses.

Damkerng T.

Wait, but I thought you would agree with TRomano's answer.

Jim Reynolds

The trick seems to be in meaning and context.

Um. I haven't focused on the whole issue in a sustained way.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I think find is used like this quite often, too.

I find the matter is ...

Jim Reynolds

Yes. An important question is what we mean by something being present or existing, held in mind, being operative, etc.

It's starting to rain.

Most often means that it's raining at this very moment.

But it can mean, "The rainy season has begun" though it's not raining now.

So, I'm just now seeing your message may have already occurred and finished in one sense, but it's meaning is very much operative and in process.

Um.. Just try to de-unsense what I said, and ... uh.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds That one can be solved with a good explanation on aspects.

Jim Reynolds

09:00

Yup

Relevance to the different senses of meaning to the current situation.

Damkerng T.

These small things (but important to learners) are very challenging.

Jim Reynolds

(I realize I'm not really saying anything. Let's see if I or we or someone decides to define the scope of the issue and try to tackle it neatly.)

Damkerng T.

Isn't it interesting that just now is not now, for example?

Jim Reynolds

Rule of thumb: Anything smaller than a standard sized kitchen table is likely to be more difficult for learners.

O.O

Damkerng T.

Haha!

Jim Reynolds

09:03

There's also only now

And we often unnow something by appending ed

That's a common way of thening something.

Damkerng T.

confused -- Looks now enough. :)

Jim Reynolds

:D

For some of us, it's perpetual!!

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

If we could turn confusion into energy, the world's energy crisis would be solved!

Unacronym of the day: FCE = Free confusion energy

Perpetuated by learners and the rest of us!

Ah, I found a nice sentence for you! @Cardinal

> english.stackexchange.com/a/5952/11482

> "Yes, I'm watching him on CCTV. I'm seeing him walk up the stairs, and go into the room".

(It's not see him walk, but still is a good example, I think.)

1

Q: Is this sentence grammatical correct?

I came across a sentence when I read the summary of book RICH DAD'S GUIDE TO BECOMEING RICH written by a native speaker. There is a sentence in his summary goes like this: The problem with your grade is, you are the person who can fix it. But, in the book the sentence structure is like thi...

grammar sentence-construction

A question like this reminds me to ask myself, what is grammatically correct?

If I'm not mistaken, both answers say it's incorrect.

DEAD

09:19

Grammatically correct things are things that are correct grammatically.

@DamkerngT. There is a vast difference between a linguistic interpretation of ungrammatical and 'native speaker' or 'fluent speaker' interpretation.

That they both agree whatever Jim says in ungrammatical doesn't prove anything.

Damkerng T.

:)

o/

@DEAD That's like a snake eating its tail!

DEAD

\o

I wasn't gone

Jim Reynolds

@DEAD Remember to deunderwear before you bathe.

DEAD

I was just stalking you.

Damkerng T.

@DEAD Stalking alert!

DEAD

09:23

Too late, robot.

My stalking dosage has been adequate to keep me high for the rest of the day.

Damkerng T.

LOL

Jim Reynolds

I'm afraid it's too late. We just can't unweird English at this point.

user62015

Hi! @DamkerngT. @JimReynolds @DEAD Could you please explain future perfect continuous tense? Does it look fine: I will have been working with you for 3 years by 2018.

Jim Reynolds

Yes, but ...

user62015

action will be going on or will be finished in this tense?

Jim Reynolds

09:31

Depending on the context and exact meaning, we might not use by.

user62015

Okay.

action will be going on or will be finished in this tense?

Jim Reynolds

Do you have a practical need, or just want to understand the grammar area?

Mattew

Hello, Can I spam my new forum?

?'

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. thanks for the link

> I'm seeing him walk up

I'm ok with this progressive aspect

my problem was with

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal My pleasure!

Mattew

09:36

@Cardinal Can I spam my new forum?

Damkerng T.

Oh! Ah, I remember that!

Cardinal

> I see him walk up

Jim Reynolds

We decided not to have kids until after next year. By then my wife will have been employed long enough to be eligible for maternity leave.

Cardinal

@Mattew What?

Mattew

It's a forum on linguistic and languages

Jim Reynolds

09:37

@user62015 Not sure what you're asking exactly.

Cardinal

btw, hi guys

Damkerng T.

Hi!

Cardinal

Happy to see @JimReynolds (alive)

:-)

user62015

@JimReynolds My action will have been finished or it will have been going on?

Mattew

@JimReynolds Can I spam my forum?

user62015

09:38

I mean to say will I leave the company in 2018 or going on?

Jim Reynolds

Continuing

Cardinal

> I watched him cross the rail road

I prefer this even in narrative context, over this:

> I watch him cross the railroad

Jim Reynolds

Otherwise will have worked.

Damkerng T.

@Mattew Are you asking about its grammar or a permission? (For the latter, I suppose you have to ask the owner of that site.)

Cardinal

But the point is how much important is my preference!

Mattew

09:40

permission

user62015

Okay.

Jim Reynolds

Go ahead Matthew.

If it's objectionable, we'll remove it.

Mattew

languages.forumfree.it

if someone wants join in, look for this topic languages.forumfree.it/?t=72958635#lastpost

@Cardinal @JimReynolds Do you think this forum could become active?

Cardinal

I hope that it will

Mattew

ok, do you wanna sign up?

and introduce yourself in the forum and try if you like it

Jim Reynolds

09:47

@Cardinal Narrative just means telling a story.

Simple past tense is the most common choice.

Cardinal

@Mattew I'll check that out

Mattew

thanks

@JimReynolds Do you wanna?

Cardinal

@JimReynolds Jim, that related to my previous question about using bare infinitive after verbs similar to see, watch, hear, etc

Jim Reynolds

We'd use watch usually to mean we always or regularly watch.

But we sometimes use it to give certain senses or feelings.

Cardinal

However, people didn't understand my intend perfectly. I do not blame them because my question is in bad format, having digressions

Jim Reynolds

09:50

To give the effect of immediacy can heighten the intensity or drama of what we're saying

Cardinal

5

Q: If a bare infinitive implies a completed action, then why do we use a present tense to talk about an event which belongs to the past?

I know using the bare infinitive after verbs such as hear, see, watch, etc. conveys a different meaning from using the present participle (verb+ing): I watched him climbing over the fence ( Climbing wasn't finished at the moment of speaking) I watched him climb over the fence ( Climbing...

tense aspect bare-infinitive verbs-of-perception

Jim Reynolds

Or to relate something that is happening in the moment

Cardinal

@JimReynolds Oh, I didn't know about that efficacy

Jim Reynolds

That use

That kind of effect

Cardinal

LoL

Jim Reynolds

09:54

I'm sure this is described somewhere on ELL or ELU. Maybe by the wonderful me.

Cardinal

My question was from the logical point of view; I claimed that "see- a present tense" does not have agreement with a "completed action"

I see him cross the railroad

It sounds antithesis to my brain from a logical point of view

Mattew

@JimReynolds What do you think on my forum?

Cardinal

I mean "crossing the road" is a completed action which no longer exists at the moment

Thus, using "I saw" is better than "I see"

Mattew

@JimReynolds

Jim Reynolds

@Cardinal Welcome to the wonderful world of English. GHY

Cardinal

09:57

@Mattew I am sure that he has read your comment; be patient buddy. :-)

Mattew

OK

Jim Reynolds

@Mattew Looks cool

Cardinal

< Oh I meant the action of crossing the road is completed by saying cross >

Mattew

can you sign up?

Jim Reynolds

Gray text is hard to read. Make it black.

Mattew

10:00

@JimReynolds ok

Cardinal

@JimReynolds nods

Jim Reynolds

Do you know how to market it?

Mattew

I can't spend money, so I can't.

Can I market without money?

Jim Reynolds

@Cardinal We can give someone the feeling as if it's happening now.

Even though it's clear it's a finished past event.

Cardinal

nods

Jim Reynolds

10:03

Do some searches. How to market a forum. How to market a website.

Mattew

ok

do you wanna help the forum like mod?

Cardinal

Oh, you say "present tense" is more appropriate for the "recently happened" events than "past-tense"?

Hi @Numi

Jim Reynolds

@Cardinal ?

Numi

Hello, @Cardinal!

Cardinal

I mean the giving someone the feeling

Jim Reynolds

10:06

@Mattew I'm too busy these days. Ask me in a month.

Mattew

ok

Numi

I am a writer...these chat rooms are fun to peep into!

Cardinal

Is "present" more appropriate than "past" ?

@Numi wow, nice to meet you

Jim Reynolds

@Cardinal That's not exactly accurate, but it's clear.

Numi

You too :)

Jim Reynolds

10:08

I know CGEL uses a better term, but I dunno what it is.

Cardinal

nods

V.V.

10:26

Hi everyone.

Cardinal

Hi

DEAD

Hey

Welcome to LO @Numi!

Jim Reynolds

10:56

@Cardinal I think "present form" describes the form, and this kind of use is called the historical present among other names.

2

A: Can you clear my this doubt of tense usage - "this happens" and "this happened"?

In narrative, especially spoken narrative, the present tense is often used to make the events more real and immediate, even when they refer to past time. This is called the Historic present (or historical present). "Just when ..., this happens!" is quite normal in such contexts, and does not ...

Avicenna

Hi all.

Question: Can a chatroom owner or a mod change what you write in a room?

V.V.

It's just a literary device to make the narration more vivid. It exists in other languages as well.Hi,Avi.

If they can delete...

Jim Reynolds

11:12

@Cardinal I think your question is a terrible mess that confuses several issues. It doesn't make any sense to me! Though I think you learned some things in the process. Should the question be closed?

Numi

Hey there, @DEAD:)

Cardinal

@JimReynolds Give me some minutes

I am doing something right now

Jim Reynolds

@Avicenna Can delete. Maybe delete part. I doubt they can otherwise change what we write, but I dunno.

Cardinal

But I think it does deserve to undergo a serious modification

Jim Reynolds

@Cardinal It's ok to just say "I'm sitting on the toilet now." You don't need to be so vague.

Numi

11:16

@JimReynolds XD

Cardinal

@JimReynolds How can I close that question?

Should I flag it?

It just received a terrible answer

Jim Reynolds

@Cardinal I don't know if it should be closed

V.V.

@Cardinal, What's the question?

Cardinal

the terrible answer is here:

-1

A: If a bare infinitive implies a completed action, then why do we use a present tense to talk about an event which belongs to the past?

I watched him climbing over the fence ( Climbing wasn't finished at the moment of speaking) I watched him climb over the fence ( Climbing was finished at the moment of speaking) These words alone make a sentence: I watched him. In the first sentence, "climbing over the fence" uses ...

It is the question @V.V.

You know it, we discussed about it

Jim Reynolds

Did you learn about the main issue you raised?

If we think it's more likely to confuse people instead of help people, then I think you can delete it.

Cardinal

11:27

yes, the difference between "verb+ing" and "to+infinitive" is a digression

@JimReynolds Can I delete an answer which has an answer?

Jim Reynolds

The phrasing of the question is unclear.

V.V.

I thought the problem was solved.

Jim Reynolds

It can mean Since bare infinitives always indicate completed actions, ....

Or In cases where bare infinitives refer to completed actions ...

Cardinal

but I have mentioned the verbs see and watch and etc

I didn't talk generally

Jim Reynolds

@V.V. But if we can create new problems, then it's fun to do so! :D

It's ambiguous.

If x implies y ....

Can mean two things.

Cardinal

11:33

OK, I am going to edit the title

Jim Reynolds

1. Given the fact that x implies y ... 2. In cases where x implies y

If run is a verb, why do people say "I went for a run"?

Cardinal

> Using bare infinitive with verbs such as “see”, “watch”, etc.: Present tense or Past Tense?

That is the new title

Jim Reynolds

GHY

V.V.

The infinitive doesn't influence the tense.

Jim Reynolds

Poor Cardinal.

Cardinal

11:42

@V.V. I think I see

@JimReynolds Let it lie :D

Jim Reynolds

How can I? You ruined ELL!!!

Cardinal

If it hadn't an answer I would deleted it

Now It has one answer and one half-answer

Jim Reynolds

Yes. I don't know when it's good or bad to delete questions with answers.

Cardinal

A predicament is the best word describing the situation

Jim Reynolds

A terrible predicament. I won't sleep tonight.

V.V.

11:45

Leave it, you shouldn't offend people.

Cardinal

@V.V. Why do you mean?

I didn't mean to offend :(

Jim Reynolds

Maybe write a personal apology to all SE users?

She means don't delete it because people gave answers and comments.

That might make them feel bad.

And possibly kill themselves.

V.V.

Yes, they tried to help.

Jim, you haven't changed.

Jim Reynolds

:D

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