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@Car Seriously, it has generated a lively discussion.
I see
@snailplane It's not a big deal, since it's in the normal range (0.3 to 3.0) anyway. (0:
Good afternoon, @V.V.!
Privet, I am constantly disappearing. Hope you don't mind.
12:13
I don't mind. I had a blackout yesterday too.
Oh, in a fairy land?
Fairy land?
@snailplane I saw him climb the fence. Do you conceptualize climb as to climb with to omitted? Or does it make no difference whether we see it as omitted vs as never having "been" there?
Is Yekaterinburg a fairy land? O_O
It seems Bazhov said it.
12:16
Bazhov said that the Urals is a fairy land because of numerous power blackouts?
Russian gossip!
> Summer ends now; now, barbarous in beauty, the stooks arise
Around; up above, what wind-walks! what lovely behaviour
Of silk-sack clouds! has wilder, wilful-wavier
Meal-drift moulded ever and melted across skies?
@CowperKettle It seems you have a strong inclination towards autumn !
12:18
A stook, also referred to as a shock, is a circular or rounded arrangement of swathes of cut grain stalks placed on the ground in a field. Typically sheaves of grains such as wheat, barley and oats may be 'stooked' so they are ready for threshing. In England a stook may also particularly refer to twelve sheaves. The purpose of these practices is to protect unthreshed grain, hay or straw from moisture until it can be picked up and brought into long-term storage. The unthreshed grain also cures while in a stook. The word stook may also have a general meaning of 'bundle' or 'heap' applicable to items...
@Cardinal Towards JM Hopkins too!
> I walk, I lift up, I lift up heart, eyes,
Down all that glory in the heavens to glean our Saviour;
And, éyes, heárt, what looks, what lips yet gave you a
Rapturous love’s greeting of realer, of rounder replies?
there are boatloads of poems about autumn, so no wonder
> I love the fitfull gusts that shakes
The casement all the day
And from the mossy elm tree takes
The faded leaf away
Twirling it by the window-pane
With thousand others down the lane
John Clare (13 July 1793 – 20 May 1864) was an English poet, the son of a farm labourer, who came to be known for his celebratory representations of the English countryside and his lamentation of its disruption. His poetry underwent a major re-evaluation in the late 20th century, and he is now often considered to be among the most important 19th-century poets. His biographer Jonathan Bate states that Clare was "the greatest labouring-class poet that England has ever produced. No one has ever written more powerfully of nature, of a rural childhood, and of the alienated and unstable self". ��2�...
DEAD will continue the quotation of poems. Lurk mode on.
12:35
Does it sound right to use passive present participle? I think the sentence needs an adverbial phrase implying a finished or completed process: Having been built, . Built ...,
:
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Q: What's the difference between using past participle and using past participle for describing a reason?

Ming  WangWhat's the difference between the two sentences? Being built atop lxml, Scrapy also supports xxxxx. Built atop lxml, Scrapy also supports xxxxx. Scrapy is a computer software and it's built atop lxml (a software component). Because Scrapy is built atop lxml, it could do whatever lxml c...

The first with being attempts to emphasize a little more the meaning "because it is built atop lxml..." but that sentence with being would not be considered good writing. The second one is the better choice. The first would be better in a future-oriented statement: Being built atop lxml, Scrapy will also support xxxx." — TRomano 9 mins ago
@Avicenna Room owners can't. Mods can.
Oh no, a question about SE workings that I didn't answer? Blasphemy
@Cardinal I agree with TRomano.
What's worse, Dam is right.
@DEAD LOL
Haha!
12:40
So mods can change history!
@DamkerngT. Yes, his first comment was one-line comment !
@DEAD :D
@JimReynolds It's mod power! :-)
@JimReynolds They already do
O.O
Oh my Mod!
12:42
However, I think the "being built ... , present tense" does not make sense
> He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.
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Q: Isn't this definition of Wikipedia is incomprehensible?

Anubhav SinghSource Canonization is the act by which the Orthodox, Oriental Orthodoxy, Roman Catholic, or Anglican Church declares that a person who has died was a saint, upon which declaration the person is included in the canon, or list, of recognized saints. The bold part is hard to comprehend. Can ...

> It is, however, hotter than any place that I have visited, being built in a ravine, and very confined. Below the town there is a stream which falls into the Pacific a few leagues below.
I think OP needs to know about which acting as "determiner"
I think I learned that couple of days ago on ELL
12:47
Neichtzechen . . . I think I messed up the spelling
Whoops
@Cardinal Hmm... that idea of "determiner" didn't cross my mind. It's just another sentence with several clauses.
If only they knew how to read sentences.
nods
However, your counter example does not fit completely
I mean being built means something is under construction
for example that software
Thus, that unfinished software cannot support anything!
> Being built on the JVM, you can also leverage Maven/Gradle for build automation and dependency management.
(BTW, if you wonder if it's a dangling participle, ask Greg , not me. :-)
13:03
:D
It seems that "passive present participle" can mean "because something has been done in this way".
or "done"
Personally, I rarely confront adverbial phrases using "passive present participle".
Being understood is important
That being understood, we can move on to the next topic.
Funny phrase of the day: victorious retreat
can such passive participles be used like reduce relative clauses modifying a noun?
> The missile hit the ship being evacuated
Wow, can you believe that my Englsih was deprived of such patterns so far!
:-)
13:16
The ship being missled hit the evacuation center.
Until now is better than so far
So far implies a continuing deprivation
Oh, the first version was "has been deprived of"
@JimReynolds Roger that
@Cardinal Aye-aye, Captain.
The aye-aye (Daubentonia madagascariensis) is a lemur, a strepsirrhine primate native to Madagascar that combines rodent-like teeth that perpetually grow and a special thin middle finger. It is the world's largest nocturnal primate, and is characterized by its unusual method of finding food; it taps on trees to find grubs, then gnaws holes in the wood using its forward slanting incisors to create a small hole in which it inserts its narrow middle finger to pull the grubs out. This foraging method is called percussive foraging which takes up 5-41% of foraging time. The only other animal species...
13:19
!
"Aye aye, sir" is a phrase commonly heard present day in naval language. It is derived from a duplicate of the word "aye" which came into the English language in the late 16th century and early 17th century, meaning "Yes; even so.". == Description == It was common in dialect and is the formal word for voting "yes" in the English House of Commons. Its most common use is as a naval response indicating that an order has been received, is understood, and will be carried out immediately. It differs from "yes", which, in standard usage, could mean simple agreement without any intention to act. In naval...
@JimReynolds :-)
Aye aye, aye-aye!
. . . a special thin middle finger . . ..
O.O
13:37
@JimReynolds Thank you!
@Car Isn't this definition of Wikipedia is incomprehensible?
Perhaps we can improve on this phrasing
@DamkerngT. I don't like it. This way the changed message is under your name, isn't it?
while it isn't your mwssage anymore! :-(
@Avicenna The advantage is: I'm certain mods have turned most of my brilliant jokes into inanities because they are jealous of my wit.
@JimReynolds 55!
13:42
I think a mod should need a good reason to make such revisions. We should question it if we object or want more information.
@Avicenna They wouldn't do that because it's fun; they'd do it if you type something offensive.
The OP's problem was with "was"
:))
> I though it should be a person who died as a saint. The was seems terribly weird.
He edited the comment
@DEAD What if I post a message in a religion chat the mod doesn't like and change it?
"who has died" is describing the person. Since he/she has died, currently we say that he was a saint before her/his death.
@Avicenna Mods don't change what they don't like.
13:45
@Cardinal Oh. Somehow I thought it was your question!
They can't do that.
@DEAD I hope so!
That's like saying "If I'm giving my money to bank accountants, what if they just put it in their pocket?"
@Avicenna Do you want to share what you wrote, here?
Mods aren't here to benefit from their powers. They're being held responsible for whatever they do with those powers.
That's why Jim wouldn't be a good mod.
13:46
@JimReynolds I didnt yet. but I wanted.
Sorry to ask, but in your previously declaration defined, is the word order correct and well intentional? — Anubhav Singh 7 mins ago
You could politely ask the mod if they can explain why they changed it.
@Avicenna You can. Then maybe we can guess why it was changed.
@JimReynolds Right!
Maybe they had a good intention, and they can re-evaluate their decision.
@Avicenna I cannot understand this
13:49
Maybe they would benefit from a reminder of the scope of their responsibility
I guess I don't post anything.
@JimReynolds as well as this
I thought you wrote the question. I wanted to suggest we could revise the title.
@Cardinal JimReynolds asked me to post here what I have posted in some other chats, and I said there isn't such a post yet.
You meant you didn't share it in this room yet?
13:53
@JimReynolds no, I haven't posted it yet.
@JimReynolds ha ha ha, I understand now
So a mod didn't change your post in religion?
You asked hypothetically ?
@JimReynolds Right.
We were punching the air @JimReynolds
13:55
Post something very mean about @DEAD here, and let's see if it get's revised.
@JimReynolds I wouldn't do that if I were you.
@DEAD Yes, you would, dumb-dumb
@JimReynolds Like what?
@JimReynolds You have a point.
13:57
@Avicenna Like that my methyls look like Jim.
Hypothetically, you could imply that he has poor personal hygeine
(After all, he does stink.)
@Avicenna Moderators wouldn't do that unless you ask them or there's a good reason to do so.
hides from robot
hey guys calm down! even my rude university classmates (male) were on their best behave infront of me.
@JimReynolds Marco
14:00
O.O
HE SEES ALL!
I guess it's better to say in my presence.
@DamkerngT. I see. But they have the power.
And I don't like it.
@Avicenna Mods are there to be trusted Avicenna. Do you not trust snailplane?
@Avicenna What is your proposed solution?
Not all mods are snailplane.
@DEAD Nothing. I just don't like it.
@Avicenna What made you to say that?
<confused>
@Avicenna What evidence have you seen regarding this?
Don't make imaginary suspects unless there's something to worry about.
14:05
I am really confused. So far, you have said that they posted nothing and you are angry for nothing?!
You don't like that they have the ability, in principle?
nothing, but a thought.
@Man_From_India HI
@JimReynolds In changing what I right.
But this didn't happen yet. Correct?
14:07
@Avicenna It's technically not at all attributable to you.
@JimReynolds Yes, it didn't.
You think mods shouldn't have the ability to do so?
The revision history would show that a mod edited something.
@JimReynolds Yes, they can delete but not change it.
The community is quite supportive of free speech.
14:09
I am opposed to this point. I several times flagged my comments and they kindly deleted them.
or at least they can ask OPs to change it themselves.
If that happened, we could get it reversed
@Cardinal I agree with deleting posts.
@JimReynolds How?
Avi, have you seen cases of mods editing chat messages?
If you haven't, please stop worrying about a useful system feature.
@DEAD How?
14:10
@DEAD not yet.
@JimReynolds By being in the room where a mod edits a chat message, obviously.
they can improve a comment, I think it is fine
@DEAD I try.
He's entitled to his worries
@DEAD Yes, I saw Snail correct the Robot
14:11
That was fixing a typo.
The first step would be to ask the mod to explain their action
Not necessarily what the feature is for, but snail is a nice person.
@DEAD That is absoultely fine
Avi what you say is like worrying about your posts on the main site because someone else edits them.
But snail and robot know each other well enough to understand what's ok with each other
If they wouldn't change it back ....
14:13
@DEAD If I don't like the edite I wont accept it or even delete the post.
Hmm, barely can I imagine a person who does not like his typos being corrected !
Then ... what? @Dam?
I remember a meta complaint, perhaps on meta.ELU, on why users can edit posts and "put words in OP's mouth".
@DEAD Different
@DEAD It's different from chat messages.
14:14
@Avi Can you give a hypothetical example?
@JimReynolds I cannot delete a chat message.
@Avicenna Usually, people the mods edit the messages of don't like the edits.
Like to change a belief or opinion?
Because they're being rude and the mods remove the rude content from the chat messages.
@Avicenna Why?
@Avicenna I mean, can you think of something you might write, that someone might change?
14:17
@JimReynolds The only one is what that caused me asak the question. and I don't like to post it.
@JimReynolds If I were a mod, and Avi wrote 'I like Jim's attitude', I'd change that.
2 mins ago, by Avicenna
@JimReynolds I cannot delete a chat message.
How is that relevant?
@Avicenna ?
You can't delete a question with an upvoted answer on the main site either.
You can't also remove a highly upvoted answer, 'cause that may come off as vandalism.
You can't remove an answer you gave that the OP accepted.
14:18
they become protected :D
I wish all users could electrically shock chem students
Thankfully, you can wish, not hope.
ALT-fry
I think something technical is behind this limited time for editing
Ouch
14:20
@JimReynolds I have nothing in mind except the thing caused me ask the question. and I don't like to post it.
@Cardinal The limit on editing is so I won't go edit a chat message of two years ago.
And yes, there are some technical things behind it.
I tried to avoid using jargon !
@JimReynolds I wqas trying to answer Dead's question.
Jeff Atwood has written a nice blog post on why rate limits exist.
@Avicenna I understand
Was this based on a change you saw made?
14:23
@JimReynolds You . . . UNDERSTAND?!
That's like whales flying.
@JimReynolds No, it wasn't.
Or it just arose in.your mind when you considered posting something?
Avi if you post something that offends any religious or non-religious entities, that would come off as something mods would want to handle.
@JimReynolds Yes, I was thinking about posting something. then I thought that's not in a room I created, so what if the room owner can change it.
Ok. It's an objection in principle. Someone could make it look like we wrote something, and we might never know.
then I thought what if a mod can change it.
@Avicenna The room owner can't.
Hmm.. We should get a notification, ideally
I agree
@JimReynolds It came to my mind.
@Avicenna The mod can, but who are we kidding . . . there's no one stalking you to edit your messages.
14:26
@DEAD I will check that out, sounds informative
@DEAD now I know.
Just drop the conspiracy theorist mood.
PLEASE.
@Avicenna Try to be like DEAD. Don't think.
That would also work.
:D
thank you both!
14:27
Though it is easier having a skull filled only with sand
Mine is only filled with wavefunctions.
@JimReynolds Not really. It would be very heavy.
That's cooler than you can imagine, Jim.
@JimReynolds In Persian the material plaster is much more common than sand in this contexr
@Cardinal Yes. But DEAD is abnormal
14:31
Gotta go. 30 u!
@Avicenna o/
USA built this website to gather our priceless comments. It uses this information so as to predict people and study them from the psychological point of view
It's for everyone's own good
14:33
Facebook is a tool for spying on people
Truuuuuuusssttt uuuussssss
:D
I need to ask the moderator to delete those comments :D
Hahaha
Then you will call even more attention to those comments
They go in the front of your file
We have already built a model of DEAD's genome
14:36
some body will call me tonight asking for a date?
@JimReynolds Then that wouldn't happen? (an inexplicable conditional, BTW :-)
If we wanted to complain about a mod's hypothetical improper act?
Write to Bill Gates?
@JimReynolds I think if it ain't broke. :-)
Ultimately, he owns the owners who own the owners ....
14:39
:D
@Cardinal Watch out for the dreaded knock on the door in the middle of the night...
You open it ...
(Note the present form!)
And find flowers and a card on your doorstep!
O.O
And a bomb.
And a joker card.
@DEAD Do you need to ruin EVERY surprise?
@JimReynolds :))
@JimReynolds If we ruin a surprise, is it still a surprise?
14:42
Surprisingly ...
@Cardinal Why is it double smiling?
I'm not sure
@JimReynolds Unsurprisingly, that ellipsis is wrong.
Perhaps, I chose a wrong comment
@DEAD :)))
O.o
14:43
A futakuchi-onna (二口女, lit. "two-mouthed woman") is a type of yōkai or Japanese monster. They are characterized by their two mouths – a normal one located on her face and second one on the back of the head beneath the hair. There, the woman's skull splits apart, forming lips, teeth and a tongue, creating an entirely functional second mouth. In Japanese mythology and folklore, the futakuchi-onna belongs to the same class of stories as the rokurokubi, kuchisake-onna and the yama-uba, women afflicted with a curse or supernatural disease that transforms them into yōkai. The supernatural nature of the...
@DEAD what is the application of that second mouth
@Car What city u live in?
Seriously.
Not to send flowers and bombs
@JimReynolds Somewhere in the north of the country
@Cardinal To have dessert while still eating dinner
14:47
@Cardinal To look scary.
@JimReynolds LoL
@Cardinal Ok. (Entering coordinates into system.)
Jim is gonna nuke Iran. Now I know who to blame for the bad weather.
14:47
It says you are Cowperkettle!!!
I thought it works as a Jet engine, providing thrusting momentum ! :D
@DEAD lol
Good morning, all! What's shaking?
Jim's system is very accurate.
@StoneyB A nuclear bomb, apparently.
Good evening, @StoneyB
14:49
Hey
@DEAD is paranoid
@StoneyB Good evening
I call it critical thinking, thankuverymuch
Just because Hillary said she would "obliterate" Iran
A Pokemon player is arrested here for playing in a church. The PR representative of the police said "it's a pity the jail term is only 3 years max and not 5 years". Otherwise, all is as usual.
14:50
Can't you recognize a joke?
Hillary is so hillarious.
@JimReynolds Did she really say that?
@JimReynolds Yes, they are on the other side of the caspian see.
@CowperKettle If Iran attacked Israel ... We would obliterate them.
ah
On the other side of the Caspian is a famous city called Astrakhan
Astrakhan (Russian: Астрахань; IPA: [ˈastrəxənʲ]) is a city in southern Russia and the administrative center of Astrakhan Oblast. The city lies on two banks of the Volga River, close to where it discharges into the Caspian Sea at an altitude of 28 meters (92 ft) below sea level. As of the 2010 Census, its population was 520,339; up from 504,501 recorded in the 2002 Census and 509,210 recorded in the 1989 Census. The oldest economic and cultural center of the Lower Volga, it is often called the southernmost outpost of Russia and the Caspian capital. The city is a member of the Eurasian Regional...
Famous for its watermelons
14:52
@CowperKettle And collars.
@StoneyB Collars?
@JimReynolds We are destroying ourselves, there is no need for foreign forces :(
Nice, an Astrakhan coat
14:53
@Cardinal Maybe a hero will rise
Young chemist
@CowperKettle Well, actually, fleeces of unborn caraculs, very popular as collar trimming for greatcoats in the 19th century.
@StoneyB O.O
I don't think this country will exist in the close future, maybe 20 years
Hitler dreamed of establishing an eastern border "Arkhangelsk to Astrakhan"
@Cardinal That's delusional
14:55
The Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line, or A-A line for short, was the military goal of Operation Barbarossa. It is also known as the Volga-Arkhangelsk line, as well as (more rarely) the Volga-Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line. It was first mentioned on 18 December 1940 in Führer Directive 21 (Fall Barbarossa) which enunciated the set goals and conditions of the German invasion of the Soviet Union, describing the attainment of the "general line Volga-Archangelsk" as its overall military objective. It had its origins in an earlier military study carried out by Erich Marcks called the Operation Draft East. This...
@Cardinal I think Iran has a much better chance of surviving as a nation than any other country between India and Turkey.
@DEAD It is sad, but we people are stepping in a very wrong direction
@Cardinal Don't fret, in 20 years' time artificial intelligence will change the whole world beyond recognition
@Cardinal Which direction?
I do not talk about the government, I am talking about the society
14:57
Shoot, people are stepping in things and all I'm doing is sitting on a sofa chatting in LO.
@CowperKettle Hasn't natural intelligence (if that's not an oxymoron) accomplished that already?
A country with such a beautiful language cannot just disintegrate (Iran)
@StoneyB haha
@StoneyB Naturally it has.
@DEAD stepping in things?
@CowperKettle I have a hard time believing these these days.
@DEAD why?
14:58
@JimReynolds I dunno, ask Card.
@CowperKettle The science isn't advancing as fast as people thought it would.
Oh. Stepping in the wrong direction
@DEAD AI already bested the best Go player
@JimReynolds It's hard to see how AI could get any stupider than NI.
@CowperKettle People thought that the 21st century people would be advanced enough to . . . I dunno . . . live in 20th century people's fantasies.
That didn't happen.
We hardly have cars with no drivers.
@StoneyB I wish I could be as optimistic as you
14:59
Let alone personal space ships.
The country is in the middle of hell
Robots can be good, but they're not and will hardly ever be as multifunctional as humans.

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