Language Overflow

Jim Reynolds

17:01

@Avicenna Yeah. I can't understand what he said there

@DEAD I flagged it

CowperKettle

17:18

> According to the source, the law-enforcement authorities of the Irkutsk Oblast have launched a criminal investigation into the alleged misappropriation under the Criminal Code article "Theft"

How do we really say it when a criminal case is opened under a particular Penal Code Article?

In Russia, each criminal investigation is opened with a particular C.Code article mentioned as the most likely "category" of the crime.

Damkerng T.

@Avicenna Not yet, just taking a break. :-)

@CowperKettle I don't know for sure, but under sounds good for me. :-)

@JimReynolds I think rocks (it goes well with Stone, IMO)

CowperKettle

> According to the source, the law-enforcement authorities of the Irkutsk Oblast have launched a criminal investigation into the alleged misappropriation under the charges of "Theft" (Russia's Criminal Code article) (??)

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle under the charges is less good, but probably is okay.

(I think)

CowperKettle

Thank you, Dam!

Anonymous

Good morning!

CowperKettle

17:25

Good evening, @snailplane! I hope it's a warm morning, and you're not at the bus stop!

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle No problem. (They're just my quick thoughts, BTW!)

StoneyB

Charges would be employed only after somebody was in fact formally charged under the Article in question.

CowperKettle

Ah!

StoneyB

Hi, @snailplane

Damkerng T.

Hi, @StoneyB!

StoneyB

17:26

Hi, @Dam!

Damkerng T.

Hi, @snailplane!

CowperKettle

Zdorovo, bratany! (Hi, brothers)

Damkerng T.

Zdorovo!

DEAD

@CowperKettle Bratany. I like that

Also zdrovo all again

Oh, no!

CowperKettle

@DEAD It's a vernacular plural of "bratan" (brother)

DEAD

17:29

I seem to have missed master Jim's accompany.

StoneyB

We need a function that returns the number of people currently in the room. Then we can all just type "Hi, func()!" and the system will generate all the neccessary greetings and responses.

DEAD

When is the friggin' election going to be over?

CowperKettle

In Russian, on Sep 18

Damkerng T.

@StoneyB :-)

@CowperKettle Hehe!

DEAD

I just consumed half a kilo of pepper and I feel like insulting everything and everyone.

StoneyB

17:30

@CowperKettle We'd say Sep 18 OS - "old style"

DEAD

GOSH GOSH IT BURNS IT BURNS

And we don't have yogurt at home right now.

Damkerng T.

Chat it out!

CowperKettle

pronunciation of 'bratan'

DEAD

I'm literally crying now

CowperKettle

@StoneyB No, we really have a parliamentary election on Sept 18

DEAD

17:32

So Bratan is written 6paTaH in Russian.

StoneyB

@DEAD Change your name to 8-methyl-N-vanillyl-6-nonenamide.

CowperKettle

@DEAD yes, its БРАТАН

DEAD

@StoneyB Is it a month yet

CowperKettle

Н is N, Б is B

DEAD

@CowperKettle That's weird.

But sorry, I have another name in mind.

CowperKettle

17:34

Because Greek monks invented it..

StoneyB

@CowperKettle Ah. I see now that there is only 14 days difference between the OS and NS dates.

DEAD

Jim Reynolds, I pick YOU.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane rollingstone.com/music/news/… (Bad Apple!)

CowperKettle

@StoneyB There are people giving away ads on each corner now

DEAD

I still have 13 days left to 30 days.

So I'm still dead.

StoneyB

17:37

@DEAD A month since when?

DEAD

Since I died.

You can only change username once every month.

StoneyB

Open a new account ... that way when things are dead (or DEAD) you'll be able to hold conversations with yourself here.

It assures you of intelligent replies.

DEAD

Too much work

CowperKettle

Everybody knows, however, that these elections will be sham elections. At least the flyer peddlers will get some money for their work, because the economy is tanking.

DEAD

Jim is my sock-puppet.

CowperKettle

17:41

My father's friend had several shops back in 2010. Then Putin tigthened the rules, and he was left with one shop. Then the crisis came, and the whole building where he rents space is now for sale, because its holder went bankrupt. People try not to buy anything beyong the basic things.

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. ok. Thanks. That's what I was hearing, but I'm not sure what he means.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds My guess is it's something to do with Sly Stone, but I didn't look into it yet.

BTW, the way he talks makes me think of an actor. I guess you can guess which actor.

One of my favorites on the silver screen!

DEAD

I haven't listened to what you guys are listening.

But lemme guess

Tom Hanks

Hum Tanks

Tum Thanks

Brad Pitt

Prad Bitt

Trad Pibb

Damkerng T.

Nah! There wasn't anything about chocolates. :P

Or anything in Troy. :)

DEAD

Hmm . . .

Who was Kal-El's father in Man of Steel?

Ah man I forget names easily.

Jackie Chan

Chackie John

Nackie Chaj

Chuck Norris

Jim Reynolds

17:50

@DamkerngT. Hmm... African-American? I can't guess.

DEAD

Is it even a guy?

Michael Jordan

LeBron James

Oh wait, he's not even an actor.

CowperKettle

Do we need the before "Omsk Oblast" (Oblast is a region in Russia)?

> The bulk of the plant's output is delivered to customers in the Ishim District (95%), the rest goes into the (?) Omsk and Sverdlovsk Oblasts.

Damkerng T.

> m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLe54UPOeXw

DEAD

@CowperKettle We don't need the.

Damkerng T.

+1

DEAD

17:53

Yasss

I feel the rep in my veins

CowperKettle

Darth L. Jackson

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Damkerng T.

LOL

Jim Reynolds

@CowperKettle launched a criminal investigation into the alleged misappropriation under Russia's Criminal Code governing theft.

Hard to be more specific without knowing how the legal system works.

CowperKettle

@JimReynolds thank you, Jim, but Russia's Criminal Code governs a million of things, from petty larceny to nuclear terrorism

Anyway, I've already translated the stuff.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Names are really tricky with text-to-speech.

Anonymous

18:02

Especially since the same name can map to multiple pronunciations in different contexts.

Anonymous

@CowperKettle I am not at a bus stop :-)

Damkerng T.

I don't know if this exists in English, two names spelled the same but pronounced differently.

CowperKettle

@snailplane Say you're cold so I could hug you.

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@DamkerngT. It does exist in Thai?

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Quite often.

CowperKettle

I can't think of such a thing in Russian.

Damkerng T.

18:11

สมพล "som-pon" or "sa-ma-pon"

รรรรรร "ra-ran-ron" "ron-ra-ran" "ra-ron-ran" and so on!

CowperKettle

Hm. Maybe "Nikita" (a male name) vs "Nikita" (a female French name)

In the female name, the stress falls on the final "a". In the male name, on the second "i".

But nobody would call their girl child in Russia "Nikita".

Damkerng T.

Oh!

CowperKettle

> Since the later 20th century, the name Nikita was adopted as a feminine name in some countries such as France. This development was presumably inspired by Elton John's song Nikita (its music video portrayed a female Russian border guard, presumably the Nikita of the song) and the French film Nikita.

I never knew that. I thought it was an established French name.

DEAD

Isn't Nikita Japanese?

CowperKettle

It does sound fitting to the Japanese language.

DEAD

18:14

O.O

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Aberdeen /æbərˈdiːn/ (a large city in Scotland) or Aberdeen /ˈæbərdiːn/ (a small city in the U.S.)

Damkerng T.

Nice example!

Anonymous

San Jose /sæn ˈdʒoʊz/ (a village in Illinois), San Jose /ˌsæn hoʊˈzeɪ/ (a large city in California)

Anonymous

Not to be confused with San José, capital of Costa Rica

Cardinal

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Q: Gerund or noun after "for"?

I wrote: Image processing techniques have been widely used for detecting defects in industrial equipment. Maybe I could write it as: Image processing techniques have been widely used for the detection of defects in industrial equipment. In many case, I have seen a gerund is used after...

I think Ahmad could ad the "to+infinitive" pattern to the question

CowperKettle

18:20

> Image processing techniques have been widely used to detect defects in industrial equipment.

Cardinal

btw, hi and goodnight

Damkerng T.

Goodnight!

Cardinal

@CowperKettle Yay!

CowperKettle

Hi!

a flowerbed on Tram Lane, Yekaterinburg

Another one

Cardinal

Those are beautiful

CowperKettle

18:30

Yes.

Cardinal

especially, the blue sky

CowperKettle

The sky already looks cold

I can see by the clouds that it was shot yesterday or today. It's +12C now.

Araucaria

Has everyone voted?

Cardinal

I am sure that I voted

@CowperKettle That is pretty cold

Anonymous

I voted :-)

Araucaria

18:33

@Cardinal Good!

@snailplane Good! Hope you voted for yourself!

Cardinal

@snailplane :D

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Q: What does "fat and flat range" mean in this context?

Here is the context: Following that, a number of banks have cut their exposure to equities due to the volatile nature of stocks in the first half the year. Earlier this month, Goldman Sachs downgraded stocks to "underweight" as part of its 3-month asset allocation citing global equities to b...

meaning-in-context phrase-meaning

CowperKettle

> Cold wind of autumn, blowing loud
At dawn, a fortnight overdue,
Jostling the doors, and tearing through
My bedroom to rejoin the cloud,
I know—for I can hear the hiss
And scrape of leaves along the floor—
How may boughs, lashed bare by this,
Will rake the cluttered sky once more.
Tardy, and somewhat south of east,
The sun will rise at length, made known
More by the meagre light increased
Than by a disk in splendour shown;
When, having but to turn my head,
Through the stripped maple I shall see,

(Millay)

Cardinal

@CowperKettle Nice, however, I should look some of the words in the dictionary

DEAD

@CowperKettle You can hear the hiss?

That means I'm not crazy.

And we're not alone.

CowperKettle

@DEAD No, I'm too far from the ground, and the windows are locked from the cold.

Araucaria

18:39

I'm gonna come back in 21 mins ...

DEAD

@CowperKettle It's large enough

CowperKettle

I had four windows opened 5 days ago, when it was +30. At nights, it is +5, so I would freeze if I opened them now.

Cardinal

@CowperKettle "Paeez" is coming; "autumn" in Persian is "Paeez"

CowperKettle

@Cardinal "Paeez" sounds like a toddler begging for an icecream. (0:

DEAD

@Araucaria Hullo gonna come back in 21 mins. I'm MAR.

@CowperKettle How did you know?

CowperKettle

18:41

paeez

►

Led Zeppelin!

A guy posted a line-by-line crib for the song in the comments

> Dasthâ-ye sard-e man-o garm bokon, bâd-e pâīz sardeh
Warm my cold hands, [for] the winds of autumn are cold

Cardinal

WoW

DEAD

@CowperKettle That guy has more hair than I ever will have all my life.

CowperKettle

A nice song

Cardinal

How do you know about Korush Yaghmayee

DEAD

That's my poetic commentary.

Cardinal

18:45

Do you really understand Persian?

DEAD

@Cardinal He Googled 'Paeez'

Cardinal

:D

DEAD

@Cardinal He's too sly to answer that.

CowperKettle

Yes, I google Paeez and this song came up

Was it recorded before the Revolution?

Cardinal

Yes

CowperKettle

18:47

ДДТ - Что такое осень (Official video)

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Russian song about autumn that just about everyone knows

I still recall when it first came out in 1993

It has unique lyrics, like a true poem

Cardinal

Oh, a revolver of course :D

CowperKettle

Autumn is "osen'" in Russian

With a soft sign at the end of n

Cardinal

I watched that completely; Why did they play russian roulette ?

CowperKettle

@Cardinal They were just fooling around. The lyrics has no relation to the roulette

A crude translation of the lyrics

Cardinal

nods

CowperKettle

18:55

> What is Autumn? It's the heavens
Crying heavens under my feet
Birds and clouds fly apart in the puddles
Autumn, it's been long since I were with you!
Birds and clouds fly apart in the puddles
Autumn, it's been long since I were with you!

Not "apart". They "fly past each over in the puddles"

Cardinal

Nice one

CowperKettle

If you say "What is autumn?" to any Russian, he may reply with a couple of lines from this stanza.

Cardinal

@DEAD :D

Araucaria

That's the kind of thing that annoys me about ELL. Apparently "Ends in one hour" means "Ends in one hour and fifty-nine minutes". Hmm someone should direct TPTB to an English Language learning website or summat. Grrr .... :D

CowperKettle

19:15

Frankly, I've listened three times to Payeez. I'll listen to other songs by the hairy guy.

Cardinal

:D

Cardinal

19:37

@BillJ I thought "detecting defects" is a gerund phrase. — Cardinal 22 secs ago

Catija

@DEAD He's being very relaxed today. Everything's going great. :)

Anonymous

I noticed today, this page capitalizes the second 'm' in Macmillan: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Macmillan_%28publisher%29

DEAD

@Catija Yay! I think one of the most crucial stages has passed.

Catija

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Cardinal

:-)

Catija

19:42

@DEAD He's keeping us up late but I don't blame him for it.

DEAD

@Catija This is your first child?

I heard you've gotta get used to not sleeping well.

Catija

Yeah. It hasn't really caught up to me yet, though I'm sure it will. Still running on joy.

DEAD

Haha it's gonna be painful fun, I guess.

Araucaria

20:03

@snailplane, @ColleenV Well done chaps. Good result.

DEAD

Congratulations to our new mods, Snailplane and ColleenV!

9

Someone pin it

Araucaria

@DEAD I'm glad for you that you were spared the dull politics of administration. But I voted for you, nonetheless. Good show. :-)

@DEAD What, like that?

Cardinal

Can someone mention the margin of victory ?

DEAD

@Araucaria The pin is what a mod or a room owner can do so the message sticks to the top of the star board.

Catija

It's the hollow stars.

Araucaria

20:06

@DEAD I see ...

Catija

@Cardinal opavote.com/results/6344763229863936/0

DEAD

@Araucaria Well, it wasn't much of a job, but I'm glad better people took hold of it. :)

@Cardinal I was fourth, unexpectedly.

Cardinal

What are those rounds ?

Araucaria

For my tuppenceworth, I think we had good candidates, but if DEAD wasn't going to be one of them, it was definitely the right three candidates up to the finish post.

@DEAD I'm glad other wrinklier people got it!

DEAD

Haha

Now I can still waste my youth chatting

@Cardinal rounds?

Araucaria

20:11

@DEAD and being creative and studying, and not volunterring for milliionaires. :-)

Anonymous

I'm kind of shocked so many people voted for me.

DEAD

I feel really happy for Snail now.

Oh look who's here.

Araucaria

@snailplane You had it coming ;-)

DEAD

@snailplane I knew you'd get the votes.

Cardinal

Yes, round 1 to round 7

ArtOfCode

20:11

@snail now you have to update all your bios to say you're a mod here too

DEAD

But I was thinking Nathan would beat Colleen. Well, he needs to learn more wrestling

Araucaria

@snailplane No brainer. We don't want grumpsters as mods!

ColleenV

I thought Nathan would beat me too

DEAD

Now can we gossip about the election?

Araucaria

Congrats!

ColleenV

20:12

Heck I voted for him before myself

Avicenna

@snailplane, @ColleenV Congratulations! :-)

DEAD

Oh. Darn. I should sleep.

Night

ColleenV

g'night

Cardinal

Congrats guys

Araucaria

@ColleenV No way. You or Jay. Their pitch was perfect ... (imo)

V.V.

20:13

Congratulations!!!

Araucaria

@snailplane Well done old bean. @ColleenV You too! Ciao. (now I can get on with my work with an easy mind)

Cardinal

@Araucaria :D

ColleenV

I've got to get back to work as well. I'll have to bask in the glow of victory later tonight :)

Damkerng T.

20:58

Yay, we have new mods!

Congrats, @snailplane, @ColleenV!

Hey, you have a new avatar! @Catija

Catija

@DamkerngT. Indeed :D Hippo was willing to share with Bennett.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Cute^2!

Strange... opavote.com/results/6344763229863936/0 returns Service unavailable at the moment.

Catija

Temporary? Works for me...

Damkerng T.

Ah, yes. It works fine now.

StoneyB

21:44

Hearty congratulations to @snailplane and @ColleenV. And congratulations to ELL on your accession to the modship -- though in that field it would have been impossible to elect any two mods on whom we could not congratulate ourselves.

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ColleenV

22:04

@StoneyB Thanks! I'm going to have to clean up my act a bit to fit in with my illustrious peers.

user227867

22:21

Does anyone here own the full Collins English Dictionary published in 2014?

user227867

I want to check if it contains IPA for every word, or only the difficult words.

user227867

I think it is the former, but I might be wrong.

user227867

@Catija Your baby looks lovely. May he/she grow up strong and healthy.

Anonymous

@JasperLoy I don't see any IPA on prefixes, suffixes, predictable compounds (able-bodied), acronyms, abbreviations, internet domain names, or chemical symbols. I see IPA on every regular headword, whether it's easy or difficult.

user227867

@snailplane You actually have it? You have every English book in the world!

user227867

22:32

@snailplane Ah, that's very good. That is what I want. I think the Oxford Dictionary of English doesn't have IPA for simple words.

user227867

I currently have 3 books for each of Eng, Ger, Fre, Ita, and Spa.

user227867

That's a total of 15 books for 5 languages.

Anonymous

22:51

@JasperLoy I collect dictionaries :-)

ColleenV

23:35

@snailplane What is your current favorite in your collection? I never realized there were so many interesting dictionaries until I read an article about a collector.

Anonymous

23:51

@ColleenV I really like 新英語学辞典 :-)

Anonymous

Although it's too out-of-date to be especially useful at this point.

user227867

@snailplane Is that Chinese or Japanese?

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