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02:16
@V.V. It will take some time for me to complete that answer. But I will :-) I hope my answer would help you. Don't stick to the term Gerund, it'll lead you to nowhere. It's basically a verb, and sometimes it acts like a noun, sometimes like other grammatical categories. When it acts like a noun we can use no before it.
 
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04:04
Well, I don't think it matters much what you call it, it's important how it functions though. I understand your terminology, but I am not used to it. That's that.
When it acts like a noun we can use both (no and not). I wish you luck hoping you will confirm my ideas.
@V.V. can u please give an example where not comes before a noun. Because i can't think of any such example.
Not a word was said.
This is different.
Or you meant -ing forms?
See T.Romano's answer.
04:23
Running , not walking was done today.
I was walking, just got down from bus
@V.V. See that not in not a word was said is an adverb, it modifies the central determiner a.
A good example --His not seejng them off...
made them sad.
In running, not walking was done today, it's a sentence with ellipsis. *running was done, (but) walking was not done.
@V.V. have to work, see u later at night. Bring that topic. I will explain.
@V.V. this is not gerundial noun, but a Gerund-participle
05:05
One more, The best thing about a holiday is not working. See you later.
05:50
@V.V. i knew you would ask this :-) I thought of including it in my answer too. It's Gerund-participle. So not is correct.
06:00
I discerned the first line only: "I hardly know, Doctor, what is the matter with me."
Ah.
"I drink well and in fact I sleep well"
ah.
"Very bad symptoms indeed. I will give you something shall take the all away"
Whew. (0:
 
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08:15
@CowperKettle Arsenic?
It's the ultimate pain killer.
No one complained after receiving it in effective doses.
08:36
Hi...
Low
@TIPS sorry for yesterday.
No need to
Okay...
We have ohms law right.... so
which one is correct and why, Ohm's law or Ohms law?
It's his, so it's Ohm's.
08:41
^_^
Well, wassup
Walls and roof and . . .
Should something else be up?
It seems like you are so happy...
Well, I'm generally in a positive mood.
that's good.
08:59
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A: for noun + to infinitive

TIPS *He was terrified for them to ask too many questions. Your sentence is ungrammatical, so I put an asterisk (*) to denote it. Your choice of preposition is wrong. You should use "of". Other than that, it would be a valid sentence without of them, but a slightly awkward one with. To answer...

@Dam apparently I just broke my streak and wrote an answer.
As always, it didn't turn out to be as good as I expected.
09:22
More confusingly, people really use it, too!
> Taylor Swift admits that she’s “slightly terrified for this year to end”
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Q: for noun + to infinitive

JBL It is easy for him to make her nervous. In this sentences 'to Infinitive' is done by him. He was terrified for them to ask too many questions. But I am not sure in this sentence who is subject of asking. I was aiming to say he got some fear from numerous questions of them. If 'to inf...

Hmm...
> "He was terrified for them to ask too many questions."
But I am not sure in this sentence who is subject of asking. I was aiming to say he got some fear from numerous questions of them.
Maybe the OP didn't mean to say something similar to your suggestion: "He was too scared/terrified of them to ask too many questions."
It sounds more like "He was scared/terrified of them asking too many questions."
09:44
Please correct my statement ' I'm happy that once I was your Girlfriend and Remains as your love forever '
Could you explain the intended meaning a little more?
"once I was your girlfriend" implies that you're not their girlfriend anymore.
Yes right
What would you want to mean by "remains as your love forever", then?
We had breakup But still I'm his love
I mean she is his love,
It's a strange thought.
09:55
We say that relations may end but love lasts forever
Maybe "remains in his heart".
What will be the correct statement which I said first
Being remains as his love sounds like he's keeping her as a mistress.
> Jack: Let's break up, Jane. I don't want you as my girlfriend. I just want you. I'm going to date Stephanie, but you're still my love.
He's going to have an affair!
Actually my friend had breakup with her boyfriend because they can't stay together But they love each other a lot
But "Let's break up, Jane. I have my personal reason. Please, don't have me explain it to you. But you'll always be in my heart." would mean a different thing.
10:03
So she has wrote that statement and I think it has some error
"I'm happy that once I was your girlfriend and I'll remain as your love forever." could work, though. It sounds rather poetic.
@ShwetaSekuri Oh, okay. What error do you think it has?
The second line remains as your Girlfriend
Yeah, but what is the error in your idea?
First she said stay as your love then I changed it to remains as your love
Is both are correct?
I like neither of them, frankly.
10:06
Ooh
Both are not exactly wrong, but maybe it's good to say something ambiguous or poetic in that circumstance.
Actually problem with them is religion difference so... I wish they would stay together
In that case, maybe saying "you'll always be my love" or "you'll stay in my heart" or "you'll stay my love" would work.
10:11
Cool
Thanks @DamkerngT.
No problem!
OK see you
See you later!
10:31
> Remote Operating System Installation allows systems administrators to use network boot technology and server-based distribution software to install local copies of the Windows 2000 operating system on personal computers throughout the enterprise.
@CowperKettle ^*the Windows 2000 operating system*!
The Windows 3.1 operating system is also not hard to find.
Maybe the PolyPhen-2 v1.3.5 software/program/tool/etc. is not that marginal.
(Though I think the PolyPhen-2 1.3.5 software/program/tool/etc. sounds better, and of course there are several ways that would sound even better.)
@DamkerngT. Thanks!
Sawasdee khrap!
No problem
Sawasdee khrap!
11:30
@DamkerngT. But this "for" demonstrates another relation than what the OP has in their question.
And it's not ungrammatical, I think.
Echo echo echo
11:48
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Q: What Americans say facing a snobby person?

A-friendWhat an American would say if they face a snobby person: List A He always acts so snobby He is always such a snob He acts stuck up He is always Haughty He is always such a haughty? He always fronts He always acts so stuck-up? List B Why are you acting so snobby? ...

This guy's doing it wrong.
Maybe they're too unconfident in their own fluency.
Wait, it's 'inconfidence' but 'unconfident', right?
The spellchecker isn't helping.
> Direct Sanger sequencing detected a heterozygous rs12 mutation of the A8 gene in the mother of patient P20, who had impaired carbohydrate metabolism.
Good evening! I wonder to whom the relative clause points in the sentence.
Incomprehensible doctor talk again
Lemme look
What if I want to make it point to the "mother"?
@CowperKettle The patient or the mother.
Both are equally possible.
In Russian, the referent could be indicated easily through inflection.
11:55
Yeah yeah, Russian is the best, we get it
Should one just make a separate sentence?
> ... detected a mutation in patient P20's mother, who had..
This one shifts toward the mother aspect more.
Although it sounds less flashy and doctor-y.
BBL classes
BBL!
> In the mother of patient P20 suffering from impaired carbohydrate metabolism, direct sequencing detected a heterozygous mutation rs123 in the gene ABC.
12:15
> In a woman who suffers from impaired carbohydrate metabolism and who is the mother to patient P20, direct Sanger sequencing detected a heterozygous form of mutation __ affecting the gene __.
Voila!
It's weird, bit it works.
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Q: Why man is mortal irrespective of good or bad activity?

Gopal BiswasWhy man is mortal? Suppose one person is very religious and very responsible family person as well.He is very much dedicated/ respectful to god and he loves his family so much and he don't want to leave the world.Then what is the logic behind the death of that person.What is the reason behind dyi...

Three answers, no mention of telomeres.
No mention of redox either.
12:40
Are these sentences gramatically correct?

1:"A border town is near a border with another state or city."

2:"A college town or university town is a community that is dominated by its university population."

3:"A mountain town is a town located on the top of a mountain."

4:"A resort town is a town which people go to on holidays to rest and stay relaxed."

5:"A suburban town is a town located on outskirts of a city or larger town."

6:"A coastal town is a town near a beach."

7:"An industrial town is a town in which individual sites, factories and other important industrial areas are locat
 
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14:40
Not" before the gerund: He was fined for not paying his debt. He apologized for not having written his report on time. I'm surprised at not being asked about it. She is disappointed at not having been invited.
Now I understand that not going to that party was a mistake. He is annoyed of not being served.@Man_From_India, some more examples.
I am more concerned about ur another sentence.
> The best thing about holidays is not working.
Is that sentence would be correct with no as well?
@snailboat
Another area of problem is this -
> Not going to the party was a mistake.
@StoneyB can you help here?
We are discussing about no vs not before verb + ing
It's the intransitive verb I'm having problem.
For example -
> Now I understand that not going to the party was a big mistake.
15:10
@Man_From_India Those are all grammatical: Not working, not going.
@Man_From_India What's the problem?
@Man_From_India It wouldn't, for some reason.
@StoneyB We can't distinguish between Gerundial noun and the Gerund-Particple form of verb.
Whether that working is a Gerundial Noun or a Gerund-Participle form of verb?
@JimReynolds Long time no see. How r u doing?
@StoneyB is the following sentence also correct?
> The best thing about holidays is no working.
@Man_From_India No working is also ok, it seems to me. Or it might be of questionable grammaticality, or informal. It would be taken to mean The best thing about holidays is [that there is] no working.
15:16
Hi gentlemen . . . and @TIPS
I'm a gentelchemical obviously.
You're the 8.5'th wonder.
That seems like it may be an insult, but I don't want to say anything bad in return because it's possibly a compliment and then I'll appear to be oversensitive and defensive.
YOU'VE GOT ME!
There's no crying in baseball . . . that's fine, crying is fully nominalized. And The best thing about holidays is no working is more or less OK--but no working has a sort of exclamative feel to it, it's not at all verby. And gerunds can be quite nouny even when they take complements and objects: There's no accounting for tastes.
15:23
Yes that's my problem, whether working is noun or a verb in The worst thing about holidays is working.?
@Man_From_India I want to guess: Those -ing forms are gerunds/verbal nouns, functioning as subject in a noun phrase (not going to the party). And as a complement in a noun phrase (is not working).
If we can find it out, we can says if no or not will come before it. But I think that working is ambiguous in that sentence. So both no and not can occur. But it's very unlikely to have a no in that sentence. @StoneyB
@StoneyB Correction: Not at all verbish.
But the verbier the gerund use gets, the less apt it is to take no. If there's a frank subject there, no is pretty well constrained to a position before the subject, and it's a little odd even there. No Jim making smartass remarks is unusual is unusual, but Jim no making smartass remarks is unacceptable is unacceptable.
:-) Sadly, not even amusing smartass remarks, I know. But I have nothing else. No gerunds, no nothing.
@StoneyB Nods
15:31
Well, I tried to be encouraging by saying that the absence of your making smartass remarks would be unacceptable.
You were! I'm now planning to stay for hours and hours, entertaining y'all.
@Man_From_India I think the distinction between gerunds and "gerundial nouns" is artificial. There are only -ing forms (whatever name you want to give them) deployed more or less nounily or verbily.
@StoneyB that's what. They are verb. They just act like a noun.
@JimReynolds Alas, I'll miss most of it -- I'm about to be driven away so the audio nerds can turn my office into a sound studio.
@Man_From_India I think an utterance like ...*is no working* would be somewhat uncommon, but very unlikely may be too strong.
@StoneyB Wow. Sounds(!) like fun.
15:37
@JimReynolds you might be right. I haven't seen similar wordings.
What they are is words, which with a little effort can be used just about anyhow you like. As a great linguist once said, "Verbing weirds language"
StoneyB's "more or less ok" sounds like a good judgement to me.
@JimReynolds It's fun mainly because it means I get to start my vacation half a day early.
Are you going somewhere?
Beautiful suburban Knoxville TN.
15:40
Ah....! See Knoxville and die.
Oh. I didn't intend that as an imperative. O.O
It ain't perzackly on my bucket list.
But my wife's reading for her comps in the fall, and we have to run down and take another truckload of books out of the library.
I think something like this is fairly common: The thing I hate about the library is no eating.
Oh. I wrote library just as your use of the word appeared.
Me too. And The thing I hate about the library is no eating hamburgers is fine. But it gets very iffy with The thing I hate about the library is no me eating and even iffier with The thing I hate about the library is no my eating.
Great Mother English would reely reely rather you said it some other how.
16:03
No me arguing with that
Never has been no me arguing with that, never will be no me arguing with that
That's a relief. I'm always afraid of a no-confidence vote from the gnomes.
"Gradability itself is not an all-or-nothing matter."
--Hiddleston and Pugglesworth, in CGEL
Rather meta
Prof. Hufflepuff occasionally slips in a telling zinger.
16:18
I'm just starting to read that book. It's quite fun.
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Q: Imperfective and perfective aspects of verb "glow"

Kinzle BThe following six examples are taken from Google Books: Now that they were up close, it was clear that one section of the wall was glowing a much deeper green than the rest. Jack moved next to her and placed his hand against the marble. He ran his fingers up and down, but didn't feel a se...

He really wants to know if the past continuous vs simple denote.the same meanings in those examples?
Kinzle B is always fun too.
16:41
Am I fun too? (。◕‿‿◕。)
Perfective aspect, schmerfective aspect. My understanding of grammar is far advanced from such archaic concepts.
O.O
@TIPS You are funny in the head
@TIPS You're a chemist. How can you surmount that fundamental obstacle?
@JimReynolds Schmerfective is a good name for it with atelics.
Sort of a smeared perfectivity.
(And now I want a bagel.)
16:56
I want my poppy
@StoneyB Have a good trip. Don't get in an accident hauling all those books containing all those letters. You could end up in quite a spell.
I sleep
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Q: Accent and Pronunciation

Subham KGood Morning. I am having problem in pronunciation with these sounds which are listed below. Those are: /u/, /ɛ/, /aʊ/, /eɪ/, /ɔ/, /æ/, /ju/, /m/, /s/, /v/, /w/, /ʤ/, /ð/, /ʃ/, /ŋ/ Is there any guidance regarding to these sounds which can help me. I'm looking forward to your positive response....

I can't believe he struggles with that range of sounds.
especially /m/.
@JimReynolds THanks. Sleep tight.
Hindustani is the lingua franca of northern India and Pakistan, and through its two standardized registers, Hindi and Urdu, an official language of India and Pakistan. Phonological differences between the two standards are minimal. == Vowels == Hindustani natively possesses a symmetrical ten-vowel system. The vowels: [ə], [ɪ], [ʊ] are always short in length, while the vowels: [ɑː, iː, uː, eː, oː, ɛː, ɔː] are always considered long (but see the details below). Among the close vowels, what in Sanskrit are thought to have been primarily distinctions of vowel length (that is /i ~ iː/ and /u ~ uː/...
can't be Hindi or Urdu
I doubt it's an indo-european language
that the OP speaks
@Nihilist_Frost "Hindustani" is the Persian for "Indian".
I always thought they refer to the same thing.
@TIPS yup
occam's razor would say that he's just illiterate in phonetics
to twist the irony deeper, the OP's own name has /s/ and /m/
17:16
I can't pronounce /t/.
And /i/.
And /p/.
And /s/.
17:50
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Q: Meaning of "a burr had been a treasure trove" in Browning's Childe Roland

CowperKettleFrom Browning's Childe Roland: So, on I went. I think I never saw Such starv’d ignoble nature; nothing throve: For flowers—as well expect a cedar grove! But cockle, spurge, according to their law Might propagate their kind, with none to awe, You ’d think; a burr had been a tre...

There must be a simple answer
@TIPS Earth to Echo! Echo, echo!
I think you're right!
@DamkerngT. \o
o/
Good tide, everyone!
Good evening!
@DamkerngT. This is an automated message. Upvote my answer after the BEEEEEEEEP.
BEEEEEEEEP
17:56
I'm still thinking if He was too scared/terrified of them to ask too many questions means what they wanted to say.
It sounds to me like the OP wanted to express another idea, i.e., he was afraid of questions from the audience.
Word of the day: widdershins
@DamkerngT. I wanted to add that they could mean "any more" or "any" by "too many", but for some reason I didn't.
When I start posting something, a current of multiple thoughts hits my mind. I suddenly get the background to write 10 paragraphs of text.
But I halt after the first, since most of those fade away too fast, and new thoughts hit me: "What if there's a better way to phrase this?"
"Would the implications that follow this thing that I write lead to incorrect conclusions?"
"What if I'm wrong?"
Is it the same with you guys?
Hmm... I haven't answered questions often enough, I guess.
The last one isn't from today, so you don't remember, of course.
I usually answer only easier ones, and maybe some difficult ones that I happen to find relevant info in references.
18:03
Forgetting is a useful skill most of the time.
@TIPS Hehe!
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Q: Accent and Pronunciation

Subham KGood Morning. I am having problem in pronunciation with these sounds which are listed below. Those are: /u/, /ɛ/, /aʊ/, /eɪ/, /ɔ/, /æ/, /ju/, /m/, /s/, /v/, /w/, /ʤ/, /ð/, /ʃ/, /ŋ/ Is there any guidance regarding to these sounds which can help me. I'm looking forward to your positive response....

Hmm... is there a language that has no /m/?
No.
There can't be!
I can't imagine such a language.
> It was considered unlucky in Britain to travel in an anticlockwise (anti sun wise) direction around a church, and a number of folk myths make reference to this superstition, e.g. Childe Rowland, where the protagonist and his sister are transported to Elfland after his sister runs widdershins round a church.
And never start a travel on Friday!
18:14
"Childe Rowland" is a fairy tale, the most popular version written by Joseph Jacobs in his English Fairy Tales, published in 1890. It was based on a Scottish ballad, which is why the text alternates between prose and rhyming stanzas. Joseph Jacobs called the King of Elfland's palace "the Dark Tower" in his version, an addition he made that was not part of the original ballad. This harks to Shakespeare's "King Lear" and Robert Browning's poem "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came," but neither of those references have any relation to the fairy tale. == Synopsis == The story tells of how the four...
18:29
@StoneyB Oh, you just solved it with one sentence! I got it! — Kinzle B 2 hours ago
Well, what is left to answer?!
You confused 'perfect tense' with 'perfective aspect'. @JimReynolds see ell.stackexchange.com/tags/aspect/infoKinzle B 2 hours ago
Actually, if one reads that tag wiki carefully enough, one will figure the answer out by themselves.
(Hey, we've got a tag wiki for those aspects! Running amok!)
> Direct sequencing detected a heterozygous rs123456 mutation of the ABC gene in the mother of patient P20, who suffers from impaired carbohydrate metabolism.
Robo-parenthetical-maniac-edit:
> Direct sequencing detected a heterozygous rs123456 mutation of the ABC gene in the mother of patient P20. (The mother suffers from impaired carbohydrate metabolism.)
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Q: Using the idiom: "riding on one's high horse"

A-friendWhich sentence sounds more idiomatic: She is always riding on her high horse. She always rides on her high horse.

The first two results of https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q="riding+on+*+high+horse" are probably by non-native speakers.
(It could sound a bit more idiomatic without on, I suppose.)
@DamkerngT. This OP needs more guidance than just answers to some questions.
They look at this learning the wrong way around.
@TIPS I wonder how near to complete his dictionary project is.
7 hours ago, by TIPS
This guy's doing it wrong.
@TIPS Because the real purpose isn't to learn, but to document.
O_O
What do you know that I don't?
I mean, about this case.
Not about life.
Or technology.
Or sound analysis.
Or Thai poems.
18:44
Well, I chat. ;-)
Well, I cat. ;-)
I mean, is there something you can link me to?
What is the OP trying to do?
Hmm... it was a long time ago.
A book, IIRC.
But they're using ELL in a wrong way.
Although that wrong way is much less bothering than how some users use ELL rightly.
18:46
Some questions are probably useful for others, though.
@TIPS LOL
Some of his most recent questions are basically "Here are some sentences. Which are the most common? Also give some additional commentary."
It seems so.
It's been quite a long time since @Jim sat there on top of chat.
I'm not used to his face now.
He's haunting me.
Maybe he's sleeping.
Like a normal human in the East Asian countries. </smirk>
18:51
:D
Ah, @snailplane spotted!
Good, um, morning, I think! @snailplane
Good almost-noon, @Snail!
She had a 12 hour difference from me, I think.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Central Rotokas
No wait, 9:30.
> Rotokas is an East Papuan language spoken by some 4,000 people in Bougainville, an island to the east of New Guinea, part of Papua New Guinea.
So @Snail's message was a secret "good morning" @Dam.
I thought you would know.
18:56
I wasn't sure. It's a bit puzzling!
Anonymous
A language without /m/
A-ha!
Hah!
@snailplane Yeah, when I told Dam that
That's ... strange!
49 mins ago, by TIPS
I can't imagine such a language.
I was thinking that something would pop up in Papua Guinea.
Although it's debatable how many Rokotokas speakers have internet, let alone come to ELL.
18:59
I wonder what a word for dad or mom sounds like in Central Rotokas.
@TIPS Haha!
@DamkerngT. "a" and "o"
Oops! I think I just ate a mosquito!
Anonymous
It's very rare not to have nasals of some sort
@DamkerngT. "Let's go explore this dark cave. We might find something useful."
Wow, no /m/ indeed!
> The word ora 'and' normally joins together two or more nominals, e.g. aite ora aako 'father and mother';
19:06
@DamkerngT. Wow, that word order.
Those are aliens!
19:39
> Imagine a far flung land where you can catch a ride from the Jackie Chan bus stop to a restaurant called Translate Server Error, and enjoy a hearty feast of children sandwiches and wife cake all washed down with some evil water.
I wonder about evil water. What would it taste like ... Hmm ... Curious, curiouses, curiouseses!
I already feel the evil flowing in my quark veins.
 
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Puzzle of the Day 20160629 (What does she say?): drive.google.com/file/d/0B8KKQ0fwLEZ9V3VuY3I1X25VdkE/…
(Hint: It's an American accent this time! :P)

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