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Sina

00:20

It depends what you are trying to say, however consider

work is what you do
The artist's life's work will be on display at the retrospective.

job is when you do it
It's just a job, it's not a career.

It is often used

I go to work at my job.

How is this answer the best complete one to be accepted and up voted?

Damkerng T.

@Sina It happens often enough on ELL.

Sina

It's realy vague!

Damkerng T.

BTW, you can simply paste just a link and the chat will take care of the content automatically.

For example, pasting this will work: http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/94730/work-vs-job-in-a-specific-context

This will work, too: http://ell.stackexchange.com/q/94730/3281

(This one is copied from the share link. 3281 is my user ID; yours will be different.)

This will get right to the answer: http://ell.stackexchange.com/a/94733/3281

Let's see the answer:

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A: Work vs Job in a specific context

It depends what you are trying to say, however consider work is what you do The artist's life's work will be on display at the retrospective. job is when you do it It's just a job, it's not a career. It is often used I go to work at my job.

Sina

@DamkerngT. wow! Seems majical!

Damkerng T.

Job is "when" is misleading, IMO.

@Sina Yep! :D

Sina

00:25

@DamkerngT. exactly!

Damkerng T.

I guess the OP upvoted it when they accepted it.

Sina

Nods.

Anonymous

00:40

@MasonWheeler how it's spelled is much less important than how it's pronounced. If you're one of those miscreants who says it maw-naw instead of man-uh well, i.imgur.com/qJFDOJ2.png — corsiKa yesterday

Anonymous

Can the commenter really mean /mɔːnɔː/?

Anonymous

I would be quite taken aback at that pronunciation.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane They said (indirectly) in the comment that "man-uh" is correct, while "maw-naw" (or /mɔːnɔː/) is outlandish.

BTW, good afternoon!

Anonymous

01:38

@DamkerngT. Yes! But can they really mean the latter?

Anonymous

It's hard to imagine anyone saying it that way, but their comment implies such people exist.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane It's a bit hard to believe for me!

Man_From_India

06:55

Geoff Pullum says to add "else" after the who-clause to check if it's interrogative clause.

> Give me a list of who is going to join the party.

With who else the meaning differs.

@snailboat @DamkerngT.@Araucaria

Anonymous

07:12

@TIPS It's hard for me to take pictures! They're so very tiny.

Anonymous

Man_From_India

Hi snail and plain :-)

Did u add another to ur inventory? :P

Anonymous

Hi! I'm sorry I haven't been of more help on that question.

Anonymous

Yes, the snails had babies :-)

Man_From_India

Ohhh I thought you brought another.

@snailplane no problem. You have always helped me :-)

In that question, JL added some good article in a comment.

It's really helpful, but terminology differs. Reading it I think they are same, just they call it with different names.

Anonymous

07:18

Can you link to it again?

Man_From_India

One sec

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A: relative pronoun after preposition

ANSWER TO OP - 1. a list of the players who have been invited. 2. a list of who have been invited. OP asked whether sentence #1 can be reduced to sentence #2. I would say, it depends on context. That who-clause can either be an embedded open interrogative clause or a fused relative c...

The trick of adding "else" is Pullum's own advice. He replied me. Yay.

Anonymous

@Man_From_India Great! :-)

Anonymous

Are you going to incorporate it into your answer?

Man_From_India

Ummmm I didn't think of doing it. But now I think. He wrote two-three lines, but that's also very helpful.

If u want I can forward you the mail.

Shweta Sekuri

08:15

@snailplane Hi

What's is there in that pic? I mean is it egg of butterfly?

Man_From_India

Her baby snails :-)

Shweta Sekuri

Huh??

Man_From_India

Yes :-)

Shweta Sekuri

What I know is snails egg will be white or slightly pink in color

By the way, which state you belong to? @Man_From_India

Man_From_India

09:12

Kolkata @ShwetaSekuri

U?

Shweta Sekuri

09:30

Hyderabad :-)

Damkerng T.

13:57

"CPU operations are done between clock ticks and read/writes are done in the ticks to ensure that all components move synchronously and not trample into each other while in intermediate states." sounds like they meant to say "A CPU operation is done between clock ticks and a read/write operation is at (or on) a clock tick to ensure (such and such)", which makes me wonder if they confused CPUs (in general) with (synchronous) digital circuits. — Damkerng T. 1 min ago

Yay! ELL on hardware stuff!

Man_From_India

he he

Are you an electronics engineer?

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India Well, a computer engineer is probably more accurate.

Man_From_India

Ah but it's hardware and software. I guess you are on software side, right?

Damkerng T.

Yep, but I had to learn a lot about hardware stuff, too.

Man_From_India

Naturally or else it's hard to code.

I mean low level coding.

Damkerng T.

14:01

I'd say it's not absolutely mandatory, but it helps a lot.

Man_From_India

I still wonder how printf() or such functions were written?

Damkerng T.

But one thing I refuse to do is to calculate how many ohms a resister in a circuit should be!

Man_From_India

I mean in C language.

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India I used to write a small BIOS myself.

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. Is it needed too?

Damkerng T.

14:02

@Man_From_India If you developed a board, yes.

But it's easier just to have someone else do it for you.

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. It explains your need for understanding of hardware.

Damkerng T.

I guess so!

In text mode, it's relatively easy. The display interface usually takes care most of the difficult stuff.

Man_From_India

I guess that printf() function was written in Assembly machine language. Right?

Damkerng T.

All the BIOS needs to do is to send the right data to the right ports and do it in the right order and timing.

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. I have no experience in that.

Damkerng T.

14:05

Then a printf() implementation can simply call a BIOS (either by issuing a software interrupt or making some system call).

Man_From_India

right

Ahh I see.

Damkerng T.

14:15

59

Q: How Do Computers Work?

This is almost embarrassing ask...I have a degree in Computer Science (and a second one in progress). I've worked as a full-time .NET Developer for nearly five years. I generally seem competent at what I do. But I Don't Know How Computers Work! Please, bare with me for a second. A quick Goog...

Wow, hmm... that's weird.

"But I really don't understand how you go from a line of code like Console.Readline() in .NET (or Java or C++) and have it actually do stuff." -- Okay!

"Sure, I'm vaguely aware of MSIL (in the case of .NET), and that some magic happens with the JIT compiler and it turns into native code (I think). I'm told Java is similar, and C++ cuts out the middle step." -- So he knew MSIL and JIT.

"I've done some mainframe assembly, it was a few years back now. I remember there were some instructions and some CPU registers, and I wrote code....and then some magic happened....and my program would work (or crash)." -- He even knew assembly!

Oh, but it's only mainframe assembly languages! Maybe he'd never sent anything to any data port.

@Man_From_India In case you want to have some fun ... ;-)

> stackoverflow.com/questions/27332266/…

> stackoverflow.com/questions/20174906/…

And if you want to have some big, big fun :D (It's the source code of int 10h of IBM PC AT)

> github.com/kaneton/appendix-bios/blob/master/src/video.asm

Man_From_India

14:35

I have done some assembly language coding in microprocessor during my college days. I think those compiled data take help of such language to directly interact with hardware.

This are the lowest level of coding.

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India nods -- BIOSs are there for a reason.

(My 'BIOSs' looks funny!)

> The writer and chapters each of them have contribute to are as followed.

> ell.stackexchange.com/q/94787/3281

(filed under "unnecessarily complicated constructions", which could be useful for @Araucaria's what-makes-a-sentence-difficult question)

Damkerng T.

14:54

Hmm... I come back in and wonder... how do we pronounce "BIOS"?!

@TIPS o/

Shweta Sekuri

15:36

Hi

Damkerng T.

Hi!

Shweta Sekuri

15:55

So you are software engineer?

@DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

Uh-huh

Shweta Sekuri

16:19

Oookkk

Am an electronics engineer

Man_From_India

If we consider gerunds to be only nouns as did one answer in that question we face this problem. @DamkerngT.

He said

Damkerng T.

@ShwetaSekuri Nice. :D

Man_From_India

> No walking was done today.

So it would say the following is also correct.

Shweta Sekuri

Actually I should say half engineer

Man_From_India

> No walking your dog everyday is not a good thing.

Shweta Sekuri

16:24

:-)

Man_From_India

But this one is wrong.

Damkerng T.

@ShwetaSekuri When you're a full one, I might need you to choose the values of resistors and capacitors for me. :P

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. hehe. Do u really need them?

Shweta Sekuri

Yeah sure

Man_From_India

Btw she already knows it how to calculate those values.

Shweta Sekuri

16:26

I had a look at your previous conversation

The values of resistors, capacitor and inductor depends on your requirement

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India I think so. The two walkings aren't quite the same.

Shweta Sekuri

You must analyze what result you want.

Damkerng T.

Well, not now, but maybe in the future. (^_^)

Shweta Sekuri

Yeah sure

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. the first one with no is Gerundial noun. And the other one is a Gerund-participle.

Shweta Sekuri

16:30

:-)

Man_From_India

I once wrote an answer about this.

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India nods -- I think you were right in your comments over there.

Man_From_India

Or else OP would keep guessing whether to use "no" or "not" because both are gerund and acts like a noun.

That's why just after my first comment he became more confused. Because he has a notion that verb + ing is always a gerund and a gerund is a noun.

Damkerng T.

Going from syntax to meaning is more confusing than the other way around.

(For example, a learner may get confused when someone just suddenly use a noun as a verb.)

Man_From_India

I think here in this case it's because of the limitation of the grammar text books.

Damkerng T.

16:38

Probably

Man_From_India

I am sure in traditional grammar also there is some way to deal with such situations.

But I haven't read it throughly. I am happy with CGEL's explanation.

TIPS

\o

Man_From_India

Eat first @TIPS

Damkerng T.

o/

TIPS

Little left MFI

Damkerng T.

16:41

@Man_From_India I suppose we can deal with it by not dealing with it. :P

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. hehe

Shweta Sekuri

Even I want to know one thing

Man_From_India

???

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India It's actually quite a common trick among engineers. :-) Like how can we deal with some circuits when all we have is the lumped element model? Answer: We don't. :P

Shweta Sekuri

I apologize for not asking properly, we have words Red, Reddish.... is their are some more sort of words

Damkerng T.

16:44

Or how to deal with non-linear systems when our model is only a linear one? We just pretend that the system is sufficiently linear. :P

@ShwetaSekuri Hmm... what do you mean? I think I need more input from you.

TIPS

@ShwetaSekuri We also have radish.

Damkerng T.

Phrase of the Day: probably approximately correct

^Very engineer-ish!

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. try saying similar thing in office :D

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

TIPS

@DamkerngT. Potentially almost good.

Damkerng T.

16:48

LOL

Man_From_India

@ShwetaSekuri do you mean to say like this Blue, Bluish or Green, Greenish etc?

Shweta Sekuri

no...

Man_From_India

Then?

Shweta Sekuri

extension of those words.

TIPS

Red, reddish, red (v.), redded

Redder, reddest

Radar

Shweta Sekuri

16:54

red, redder, reddest.... hmm. that's what I was asking.

Cool..

TIPS

In Persian, though, comparatives and superlatives are not said to be different words than the adjective itself.

Damkerng T.

I would say it's the same in English.

Shweta Sekuri

yes....

you are right. I googled it, found the same (adjectives)

thanks...

Man_From_India

@ShwetaSekuri I have never seen u in ELL main site, you haven't posted anything yet?

Or r u on ELU?

TIPS

@Man_From_India he hasn't

Man_From_India

16:59

She :-=

TIPS

You can confirm that yourself.

@Man_From_India Whatevs

Man_From_India

On mobile app

Shweta Sekuri

I am from Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange.

TIPS

@Man_From_India Then how can you chat?

Man_From_India

Chatapp is there too :-)

The name of this app is ChatSEy

TIPS

17:02

ChatSEy's good.

Can't you click user profiles on it?

Man_From_India

I can but my wifi is too slow today :(

Actually for last few days :'(

TIPS

Get over yourself. My WiFi is slow everyday. :P

Shweta Sekuri

you would have restart it.

I mean router.

Man_From_India

@TIPS u r on campus, right? It's always slow.

TIPS

@Man_From_India Maybe. I call it home though

Man_From_India

17:09

@ShwetaSekuri must be some issue from ISP.

Shweta Sekuri

OK...

Man_From_India

@TIPS except my initial days at college hostel I too called it home.

Shweta Sekuri

I don't have any experience of hostel....

TIPS

18:12

in The Periodic Table, 37 secs ago, by TIPS

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A: Is this double standards?

First, as a disclaimer, I'm an active user in Charcoal, but came in the end, and I'm not partial to either side. Let's see what happened here: You drop in a rather random chatroom in the SE network. Claiming that you can't access SO chat, you asked a question to be migrated from SO to CS.SE. A...

in The Periodic Table, 41 secs ago, by TIPS

Three votes to a reversal.

I should be freaking out but I'm not.

Damkerng T.

20:08

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Q: Is "tin foil" for "aluminium foil" deprecated?

In my native language, the stuff is called "aluminium foil". In English, I always heard people use the phrase "tin foil" for that. I adopted that phrase thinking that despite the foil being made of aluminium (and not tin as it used to be) this is what people call it. Recently a native American ...

phrase-usage phrase-request american-english british-english

Hat on, hat off.

TIPS

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/280584

Anonymous

20:23

@DamkerngT. Happens every year!

Damkerng T.

@snailplane :D

TIPS

22:42

I disagree with this for two reasons. First, Google translate in most language is too crappy to work with fast conversations in chat. Mix in some dialectal differences, different proverbs and idioms, and sarcasm and the lack of visible tone and intonation, and you get nothing better than confusion. Second, such feature, even used in its best potential, and providing that GT works perfectly, would still disrupt the normal chat conversations. I think in the end you either have to speak English, or talk with someone who knows the same language as you. — TIPS 9 secs ago

@Dam I'm gonna reference that screenshot everywhere.

Damkerng T.

LOL

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