Language Overflow

Anonymous

01:39

My best friend just said have went. One more have went sighting to add to the pile! :-)

Damkerng T.

01:50

Yay! :D

Shweta Sekuri

02:41

Good morning all :-)

I mean Greetings of the day.

Man_From_India

02:55

Good morning Shweta

Shweta Sekuri

03:17

Man from India?

Wow.. same same

Man_From_India

03:36

Hehe... But r u a man from India? :O

Damkerng T.

Morning, people from India! :P

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Q: Tone in spoken questions: [Do] your friends call you John or Jack?

I could not tell if the woman in the exchange pronounced Do or dropped it when she asked the man about his name; I could not hear the word Do at all. For all I know, whoever transcribed the conversation might have added Do. Then it came to mind whether there is any difference in tone/stress betwe...

spoken-english

I wonder if native speakers can hear the "d" sound in "D'you".

(I guess most can't)

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I'm not sure what you mean.

Anonymous

It seems pretty easy to hear for me.

Anonymous

Of course, it's not always there.

Damkerng T.

Hah!

Anonymous

03:38

And you can't hear it if it's not there :-)

Damkerng T.

Phew!

Oh!

Frankly, I wasn't sure if it was there.

Anonymous

Is there an audio clip?

Damkerng T.

Yes.

Anonymous

A-ha! I thought we were talking about d'you in general.

Damkerng T.

movie-sounds.org/mystery-movie-sound-clips/…

Anonymous

03:39

There's a large range of realizations for that sequence.

Shweta Sekuri

@Man_From_India if you are really from India I don't think I need to specify

Damkerng T.

I think she didn't really make a "d" sound, but I can see her "d" in the spectrogram.

Anonymous

The /dj/ sequence coalesces into /dʒ/, and there's a range of realizations between those two.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I don't hear any /d/ in that clip.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane A-ha! I guessed right! It was too weak.

Anonymous

03:41

I wouldn't transcribe it with d'.

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure how I would transcribe it. Probably without "'d" either.

Anonymous

I'd just say do was ellipted from the left edge of the sentence.

Anonymous

That Conversational Deletion thingy that's such a popular topic here on EL*.

Damkerng T.

nods

Even though I can see her lips opening (when she inhaled just before "(d')you") and her tongue at the "d" position before "you", I don't think she really vocalized her "d".

Anonymous

Yeah, and we can characterize this in terms of the distinction between articulatory phonetics and auditory phonetics. Not every articulation contributes to an audible difference in sound.

Damkerng T.

03:50

> "Come on, Mr. Frodo. I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKIgv8AhffA

Prepositions are important!

Oh, I thought the male voice was Sean Connery's!

Man_From_India

04:15

@ShwetaSekuri hehe i know :-)

Anonymous

04:38

motherboard.vice.com/read/…

Anonymous

> The FBI Is Classifying Its Tor Browser Exploit Because 'National Security'

Anonymous

Here we have the phrase because 'national security'.

Anonymous

I think there was a Language Log post by GKP about this. I'm going to go look for it.

Anonymous

Found it!

Anonymous

Because NOUN on Language Log

Anonymous

04:40

But that's by Mark Liberman.

Anonymous

Here's the GKP post:

Anonymous

Because syntax on Language Log

CowperKettle

@snailplane And there was also an article by John McWhorter about this

Anonymous

Oh, really?

CowperKettle

Good morning, Snails!

Anonymous

04:41

John McWhorter is sometimes a controversial figure, by the way.

CowperKettle

@snailplane Yes, because he loves to write emotional articles

Anonymous

Good morning :-)

CowperKettle

@snailplane Are his theories considered not very provable?

Anonymous

The use of because NP is very widespread, though.

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Hmm, I don't really want to say anything negative right now. I want to make my mental space more positive. :-)

CowperKettle

04:42

> Internet-Speak is Improving English Because Empathy, by John McWhorter

Anonymous

I'm not sure because NP is "internet speak".

Anonymous

Certainly it's something people say on the internet, but also off the internet.

Anonymous

Like most stuff people say.

CowperKettle

But it must have originated in the Internet

Anonymous

On the internet

Anonymous

04:43

And yeah, that's possible.

Anonymous

But it's certainly something people also say all the time.

Anonymous

So if it once had the status of internet slang, it no longer does.

CowperKettle

Yay!

Anonymous

It's very widespread now.

Anonymous

And it became widespread extremely quickly, practically overnight.

Anonymous

04:45

Sometimes grammar changes rapidly instead of gradually.

Anonymous

I suppose English learners must encounter because NP, but I suppose no one is actually taught about it explicitly yet.

Anonymous

Do you think the simplest way to explain it is to say that it's like leaving of out?

CowperKettle

Yes

Anonymous

@CowperKettle McWhorter also uses the example of "LOL", which also started out as internet slang. Well, typewritten slang, at any rate.

Anonymous

I started noticing people saying that out loud around 15 years ago.

CowperKettle

04:49

(0:

Anonymous

But my mental feeling is that it's still primarily an online thing, even if there are plenty of people who say it.

CowperKettle

People don't say LOL here, because it does not sound very distinct in Russian

Anonymous

By the way, it seems like kids today say "lel" a lot.

CowperKettle

I never knew about LEL

Anonymous

It's more recent.

S.R.I

04:57

Yes, "lel" is a recent thing. I almost think it all started from Bieber and Kanye :P

/me ducks

CowperKettle

Maybe it is more distinct to pronounce, and that's why it entered usage

S.R.I

UD has this to say

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lel

CowperKettle

@TIPS I found some images

^_^

CowperKettle

05:13

@AnubhavSingh -- oops. I thought someone else would answer that, and Alan Carmack answered it partly. Your question is really two questions. I'd say "London is home of Parliament" is a kind of idiomatic expression with the meaning "London is where (the country's) Parliament is located". — CowperKettle 15 secs ago

S.R.I

Say what you will about UD, I use them as a guide to current thinking about the language/slang

CowperKettle

Good morning, @V.V.

Anonymous

@S.R.I I will, then.

Anonymous

(Yes, I know "Say what you will" is not really meant literally, but I'm taking it literally on purpose :-)

Anonymous

Urban Dictionary has some truly godawful definitions. It can be a really terrible site.

Anonymous

05:15

However, it can also be helpful on occasion.

S.R.I

@snailplane :-)

Anonymous

The Urban Dictionary entries on "lel" seem helpful to me.

Anonymous

I haven't read all of them, but: urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lel

Anonymous

Sure, it's got elements of badness strewn throughout almost all the definitions, including the topmost. But it's still helpful.

Anonymous

Well, most definitions on Urban Dictionary are quite bad.

Anonymous

05:17

But it has definitions for and discussion of words you won't find anywhere else.

Anonymous

Fortunately, most English language learners are intelligent people who can think for themselves and sort out the good from the bad :-)

S.R.I

Yes, I agree about the quality of content on UD. That's what you get when you allow the public to liberally add content, with no moderation policies in place.

Anonymous

@S.R.I In a way, though, it really is a great resource. There are just so many entries!

S.R.I

Well, if you can ignore the fluff, you can see some content that can be helpful, like you found with "lel"

V.V.

Morning, everyone! Snailplane, what an interesting article! Thanks.

Anonymous

05:25

Good morning :-)

Anonymous

I've been saying "good morning" to people online all day.

Anonymous

I'm not sure how many of those times it was actually the morning for me. Very few, I think.

V.V.

It's a warm greening.

Greeting

CowperKettle

06:08

South Californian Radio is having a laugh over Brexit

> "There's an opening in the EU"

> If Trump wins, we can Trexit!

> If Clinton wins, we can Clexit!

> And well, if Sanders wins..

S.R.I

@CowperKettle How come you're listening to SoCaR?

CowperKettle

06:29

@S.R.I Just to have some sort of background babble

I put about a dozen of English language radios into my Foobar player

Now it's 89.3 KPCC radio

S.R.I

Ah, okay

CowperKettle

I haven't been watching Russian TV since May 2014, when it turned completely fascist

One needs to have a source of news. (0:

And a source of some background babble

S.R.I

I have neither, but that's okay

Shweta Sekuri

07:09

Grey skies. Hardly anything to do or anyone to do it with

Can anyone explain me the above sentence please

Man_From_India

@ShwetaSekuri context?

Shweta Sekuri

No actually someone said this.. but I didn't understand

Man_From_India

What someone is trying to do?

Shweta Sekuri

Grey skies is life's trouble

Man_From_India

Without context, it's hard to guess.

I have to take a quick shower and rush :-)

Shweta Sekuri

07:15

OK take it easy.. BBL

V.V.

07:45

phil.muni.cz/plonedata/wkaa/Offprints%20THEPES%203/…

@Man_From_India

TIPS

@ShwetaSekuri Conversational deletion: [These are] grey skies. [There is] hardly anything to do or anyone to do with.

Shweta Sekuri

???

TIPS

The parts in brackets have been removed because whoever said that sentence didn't feel like saying them.

Mostly because the context is informal.

Shweta Sekuri

You mean they don't want to share?

TIPS

Not that they don't want to share. Let me come back with more examples.

I'm reviewing stuff on one of the sites.

Shweta Sekuri

07:56

OK..

TIPS

Back

@Shwet take a look at this example:

Shweta Sekuri

Okay...

TIPS

> Can I come here later tonight?
> Yes.

What the second speaker meant is not just yes, but "Yes, you can come here later tonight."

This is called ellipsis.

It's not that the second speaker didn't want to say it, it's just that the rest of the sentence is implied.

And hence, the repetition is unnecessary.

Shweta Sekuri

OK.... :)

TIPS

Conversational deletion is some kind of an exceptional case of ellipsis.

> Hot day, no?

> [It is] a hot day, isn't it?

The "it is", just like the answer to that question, is implied, and they drop it.

Of course, this is more "high-level" and a more recent change in English.

Shweta Sekuri

08:05

yeah... I heard the sort of sentences.

TIPS

So the case in your sentence is another instance of conversational deletion.

Note that it's not deemed appropriate in formal contexts.

It's a colloquial thing.

Shweta Sekuri

Okay....

Thanks once again for helping me TIPS....

I will make a note of all this for reference.

If I keep on reviewing, then it will be in my mind forever.

TIPS

@ShwetaSekuri You can also bookmark chat conversations. It's a link under "room▼" that says "create new bookmark".

Shweta Sekuri

I can't find bookmark here. It is displaying star and flag.

TIPS

Are you on mobile, or using desktop?

Shweta Sekuri

08:17

laptop.

TIPS

Do you see room information on the right?

Shweta Sekuri

yeah

TIPS

Do you see "room▼"?

Shweta Sekuri

yes

TIPS

Click on it.

Shweta Sekuri

08:22

imgur.com/a/iEtRz look at this.

Sina

Hi:)

TIPS

@ShwetaSekuri Oh, weird.

It might be a chat privilege you do not have.

@Sina Low:)

Shweta Sekuri

yeah... even I thought the same.

Sina

@TIPS I prefer our traditional ice cream. It's much more delicious:-)

Our=Iran

TIPS

@Sina It's pretty hard to find it from sources that don't cause a stomachache or something worse though.

At least here.

I'm very weary of all those fevers and sicknesses that come from diary.

Sina

08:34

@TIPS sorry to hear it.

TIPS

@Sina Pretty sure it's more or less like that in other parts of Iran.

Sina

We have a couple of good stores for that over here.

TIPS

Actually, Tabriz has the best food in general in Iran, so I'm worried more about those Isfahanians.

@Sina That's too lucky

Sina

yes it is:)

@TIPS If you happen come to Zanjan go to Taleghani street. Between Sabze meidan and Zeynabieh street.t There is a good ice cream shop called Golriz. It's accross from Zolfaghari museum toward Sabze meidan. And one other is on Azady boulevard, unfortunately, I've forgotten the name. But I reccomand Golriz. These are well-known here!

TIPS

K

CowperKettle

09:27

Press brake

A press brake is a machine tool for bending sheet and plate material, most commonly sheet metal. It forms predetermined bends by clamping the work piece between a matching punch and die. Typically, two C-frames form the sides of the press brake, connected to a table at the bottom and on a movable beam at the top. The bottom tool is mounted on the table with the top tool mounted on the upper beam. == Types == A brake can be described by basic parameters, such as the force or tonnage and the working length. Additional parameters include the stroke length, the distance between the frame uprights...

I wonder why it is called "brake"

> brake (n.1) Look up brake at Dictionary.com
mid-15c., "instrument for crushing or pounding," from Middle Dutch braeke "flax brake," from breken "to break" (see break (v.)). The word was applied to many crushing implements and to the ring through the nose of a draught ox. It was influenced in sense by Old French brac, a form of bras "an arm," thus "a lever or handle," which was being used in English from late 14c., and applied to "a bridle or curb" from early 15c. One or the other or both took up the main modern meaning of "stopping device for a wheel," first attested 1772.

Sina

09:51

Is there a tsunami on its way to EU?

In EU or Out of EU this is the question?

TRomano

I have a small press brake. Used it to make flashing for my roof.

Man_From_India

10:07

@ShwetaSekuri are u using Windows 10 or 8?

@V.V. thank you. But I already read those books :-) yet most of the times it's hard to distinguish between these two "similar looking" constructions.

But now I'm more or less convinced about that "a list of" question. Until of course anyone give me reason enough to change my opinion :-)

Shweta Sekuri

10:24

@Man_From_India Windows 8

Man_From_India

10:35

Ahhh right. I really don't like 8. But in my office desktop it's there, and I hardly use it :-)

CowperKettle

ell.stackexchange.com/questions/94636/…

I corroborate Alan's statement that "the" can be omitted in "Paris is capital of France" but searching through my database of anything anyone has ever said within earshot of me (I have a micro-USB port behind my left ear and download nightly), I would venture to say that the context of such a statement is likely to be question-and-answer: What is the capital of France? -- Paris is capital of France. We would not ask "*What is capital of France?" We might ask "What city is capital of France?" or "What's the capital of France?" — TRomano 8 mins ago

Man_From_India

I only use it as an extra big monitor. And in my laptop it's Windows 7. I wish they change it to 10.

@CowperKettle is he referring to Alancarmac?

Shweta Sekuri

Even I wish for Windows 10

Man_From_India

I have seen his few comments/answers and as it turned out I didn't agree with any of them except one answer.

@ShwetaSekuri at home my laptop is win 7 and desktop is ubuntu

I really love my ubuntu :-)

Probably after xp, win 7 is their best OS.

CowperKettle

@Man_From_India Yes.

He disagrees with the answers given on ELU (and highly upvoted there!)

Yes, vigorously and indiscriminately. :) — TRomano 1 min ago

Shweta Sekuri

10:43

Actually in college I have used Ubuntu and XP. Then directly Windows 8

Man_From_India

@ShwetaSekuri are u a language student?

@CowperKettle hmmm.

Shweta Sekuri

I'm B.tech student

Man_From_India

Not all answers there are good, even they have got many upvotes.

Shweta Sekuri

And you?

Man_From_India

@ShwetaSekuri great. I wanted to ask a lot of questions regarding this. But here it's not good.

@ShwetaSekuri ur senior :-)

Shweta Sekuri

10:47

M. tech?

Man_From_India

Never done, after B straight to ofc :-)

Shweta Sekuri

Ohhkk

Man_From_India

Which department?

Shweta Sekuri

Electronics and communications

CowperKettle

That is cool

Man_From_India

10:48

Oh god... My subject :-) nice to meet u.

So u got an interest in language also?

Shweta Sekuri

Firstly I thought to take it easy, and decided to go for any job

But now I have changed my decision

I want job in our field only

Man_From_India

Common in ECE u will find the best in industry jobs. Good luck.

S.R.I

That is good. Good luck

Shweta Sekuri

Now I'm really interested in this..

Man_From_India

@ShwetaSekuri so u already wrote ur final semester?

Shweta Sekuri

10:52

Daily I'm studying which I didn't covered during the last semesters

Thank you @S.R.I @Man_From_India

S.R.I

@Man_From_India damn, I never thought I'd see SMS speak in LangOverflow :-)

Man_From_India

@S.R.I hehe. I'm on mobile, so it's justified :P

And I m talking off topic talks, don't know what our mod DT will think ;)

Shweta Sekuri

@CowperKettle :-)

S.R.I

He's away in Thailand, so don't worry. He'll come by and clean them up long after the conversation is over.

It's not often that I see more than 2 Indians on this channel

Man_From_India

Hope he wond throw me to the thrashbag with all tgese msgs :D

Shweta Sekuri

10:56

Can you let me know for whom you are referring to?

Man_From_India

Hehe

Shweta Sekuri

About Thailand

Man_From_India

Me?

S.R.I

@ShwetaSekuri do you see a robot on the list of users? That's one of the mods here.

and he's from Thailand

Man_From_India

But he is a nice guy and a really good teacher.

Shweta Sekuri

10:57

OK

S.R.I

Yeah, he keeps trying to guess everyone's native tongue!

Shweta Sekuri

Okay

Man_From_India

Another thing I like about him is his vision in technology.

Shweta Sekuri

So S.R.I.. where are you from?

S.R.I

I'm from India too

Shweta Sekuri

11:01

Oohh

S.R.I

well, yeah - that's what I meant by my comment about "more than 2 Indians on this channel"

Shweta Sekuri

OK

Do you agree that these chat groups are much interesting than WhatsApp groups and Facebook groups?

Man_From_India

Here you will get to learn a lot about English language.

S.R.I

Can't say - they serve different purposes, I guess

Man_From_India

Right

Shweta Sekuri

11:07

I have quit all the social networking sites

Man_From_India

Why? :O

Shweta Sekuri

I have account in those but not using them anymore

Man_From_India

They are good too. If you use them good :-)

Shweta Sekuri

I am not pointing it as negative

S.R.I

@ShwetaSekuri you can edit your comments within a certain time window. But you do it immediately within 10 seconds or so. Hit the up arrow, go on to the comment that you want to edit and edit them.

Shweta Sekuri

11:13

Just not interested anymore

By the way what are your exact names?

Sorry for the wrong question I guess

S.R.I

Don't worry, we'll never tell :-)

TIPS

11:34

@ShwetaSekuri MAR is my exact initials. @Dam king T. is his exact name. About the others, I don't think they will disclose such info. If they would've, they would've done it from the beginning.

Also it's not such a kosher thing to ask on the internet.

TIPS

12:11

CC @Arau

TIPS

12:39

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 12 secs ago, by TIPS

See the other side of the story though.

The graph is misleading, though.

Sina

2

The littele red one is so cute:)

Why upside down (compared to others), though?

TIPS

13:01

Cuter that way.

Also isn't this classroom going to end somewhere?

They're walking for hours.

Hullo @Tracy! Welcome to LO!

Sina

Even years!:D

TIPS

Stop!

Sina

:-D

The little one will never grow up. It can be their new generation for ever!

Shweta Sekuri

Yeah cute

Look at green one.. lol

Sina

Which one is your type? Mine is the green one if the teacher has nothing to add to my knowledge:D and if she is knowledgeable , the light blue one!

TIPS

13:10

I'm the blackboard.

Shweta Sekuri

I like to be the first in class, the red one otherwise blue one

Sina

I guess whiteboard these days:D

Shweta Sekuri

I didn't think there is any board displaying their

Sina

Or even smartboard!

Shweta Sekuri

Lol

I think you had a look at my previous conversation with man from India and S.R.I

TIPS

13:14

I didn't

Hey @Cat, long time no chat.

Shweta Sekuri

Point out my mistake or mistakes

TIPS

Please insert your disapproval of Britain's decision here.

Shweta Sekuri

OK

TIPS

I was talking to the hippo.

@Cat

Sina

@TIPS oh! I didn't know he is a KING! I should call him "your majesty @DamkerngT."

TIPS

13:16

He's the Twilight king.

Damkerng T.

@Sina He likes to pronounce my name that way!

Evening, guys!

TIPS

@DamkerngT. No way, you Are the Twilight king.

Damkerng T.

@Sina I'm no king, though.

TIPS

Or are you implying TChrist isn't right?

Damkerng T.

LOL

Sina

13:17

@DamkerngT. out of the blue! Sleeping?

Damkerng T.

Nah, just something else.

And a heavy rain!

Sina

Wow! Lucky you:)

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure I'd call that lucky.

TIPS

Call it yucky.

Damkerng T.

(My cable was just gone. Not sure how long I can stay online.)

Sina

13:19

Oh! Don't like heavy rain?

TIPS

If you're under the rain with your desktop. Imagining

Damkerng T.

@Sina I like it when it's somewhere else in my country. :P

Rice needs lots of rain!

TIPS

While you were walking with the other cutesies, @Sina, we had a very delicious drama incoming.

-17

Q: Today, 227 consecutive days to accessing this network. I don't see such single handed behavior

Is it good, if I insert my problem on public chat to get more attention? So, I'd posted a question on charcoal-hq. yvette I've made request to leave my post as it is but they trashed my posts and comments. She flagged my post again and again, I didn't say anything other than I gave above meta ...

support stackoverflow moderation moderators account-suspension

Sina

Too generous:D

TIPS

Doesn't disappoint. CC @Dam @Cat

Damkerng T.

13:20

I hope so. :-)

Catija

@TIPS We were chatting on MSE the other day :P

TIPS

@Catija Too far away.

Catija

HA HA. OK.

Sina

@TIPS hot hot discussion!

@Catija Hi🐣

TIPS

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 41 mins ago, by TIPS

Jokes aside, I do think language barrier is partly to blame.

Catija

13:24

@TIPS Probably.

TIPS

So @Cat, while you were away, not reminding me my immaturity, I rebuilt my dignity.

Kinda, sorta.

Catija

@TIPS I have no clue what you're talking about :P

TIPS

See? Back to square one.

(┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻

Catija

You're quite mature for your age.

That answer you wrote was very well considered and people seemed to agree with it.

TIPS

@Catija /me Trying to interpret that the wrong way

Catija

13:30

Interpret it the right way... as a compliment.

TIPS

That's boring

So, what've you been up to?

Is modding hard?

Catija

@TIPS Getting huge. Tired a lot... working a "real job".... boring stuff.

@TIPS It would probably be harder if I wasn't modding a site that's utterly quiet and well-behaved.

TIPS

Well-behaved? Oh no, that's much better than not-well-behaved.

We should fix this ASAP.

Anonymous

My snails had snailets! :-)

5

TIPS

@snailplane YAY!

Catija

13:34

@snailplane Awww! Sweet! That's so exciting!

Sina

@snailplane🐌 Hi!

I guess your snails miss rain these days!

It's about to rain here. You can send them over here:)

Catija

@TIPS Looks like he's still making trouble?

TIPS

Trouble? Nah. More like entertainment.

Catija

If it's causing flags, it's trouble.

TIPS

13:49

Flags? I don't see them. Quill can handle them.

What else do we have him for?

Catija

What is the purpose of Charcoal?

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Congrats!

@Catija It says, "Where diamonds are made and SE is hacked."

Catija

@DamkerngT. Yeah, but that doesn't really tell me much :P Seems like a place to talk about spam posts that appear around the network and other issues... but I'm not sure.

Damkerng T.

I thought it was for mod training and a testbed for SE plugins. :P

Catija

If that's the case, no one told me about it :D

Damkerng T.

13:56

@Catija I was just guessing. :D

TIPS

@DamkerngT. Nah, lame programmer humor.

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