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inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:00

So, @Dam, what else is new today?

in The Periodic Table, 5 mins ago, by Mithoron

Maybe, but it's not peptide gel but glucomannan/acemannan gel http://www.researchgate.net/publication/48347118_Aloe_vera_their_chemicals_compo‌sition_and_applications_A_review

Damkerng T.

Thanks!

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hmm... nothing much around here, I think.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. BTW Maulik wrote an answer to TRE meta post and pointed out everything except what he should've.

Damkerng T.

Some of our users will have a harder time finding questions they like, though.

Then again, I understand both sides of the arguments.

Damkerng T.

21:23

I wonder if I would pass the test if something similar to IELTS in Thai existed.

Look at some tips students and teachers wrote:

> Good points to follow:
- Show off your vocabulary relating to the topic: hefty (big and heavy), state-of-the-art (modern), match...
- Use complex sentences in addition to simple ones

A student wrote:

tchrist

Poor advice.

Damkerng T.

> Well, to tell you the true, I was not impressed by this evaluation, I think this is IELTS register and style of evaluation, it is hard and punishes every single mistake you do!
I think that is the work of an examiner, so you do not overdo and not do less than you are asked for!!

Educators wrote:

> [T]his feedback is given in the manner of an IELTS examiner. However, I think that it's not true that it 'punishes every single mistake you do.' Neil gave the letter a lot of positive praise, for example, that the letter addresses the task, is well organised, and uses complex sentences. In general, IELTS examiners concentrate on the positive examples of language when marking,.
However, if we want to learn how to be better and achieve a higher score, it's important to look at what could be improved.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. I have a book named "Ace The IELTS Speaking Test"; the guy has written the examples of a script in the speaking test as if @Stoney is rehearsing Hamlet with prof. Smith back in 1810.

tchrist

hee

Damkerng T.

(^_^)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:29

Alrighty, here's the book. Opens a random page

Damkerng T.

Ah, I got a reply (from an Educator):

> Hi Damkerng, I agree that this particular task does feel quite artificial. In reality, most people would just send a quick whatsapp or something similar to a close friend in this type of situation. However, this is the format of the exam at the moment and if it helps you, you can imagine that it is not a physical letter, but instead an email that you are writing. You have to think of it as opportunity to show off your English.

> Just remember, the examiner cannot give you any points if you don´t provide the material. So try to impress the examiner with informal expressions and other appropriate language usage.

tchrist

Completely subjective.

Damkerng T.

(My points were about the test was unrealistic, and the examiner appears to dislike short sentences.)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

> EXAMINER: Are animal rights preserved in your country?
> EXAMINEE: We have never been pioneers or standard-bearers in such progressive causes as animal rights preservation. In actuality, there is no organization directing genuine supporters of animal right activists; henceforth, even the cruellest acts against animals whether in public or in laboratories never incur the wrath of anybody . . .

And that was one of the most comprehensible parts.

Damkerng T.

Hah!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:33

"In actuality" seriously, why not "actually"?

tchrist

HENCEFORTH?

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M "You have to think of it as opportunity to show off your English"

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

"incur the wrath of anybody" Unless I'm a masochist, I'd say "bother anyone".

@tchrist Henthforth. th.

tchrist

semicolon

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

;

,

@DamkerngT. So informality is encouraged?

@tchrist in speaking.

Damkerng T.

21:35

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Oh, the task was "a letter to a friend about moving house".

I think in other tasks, the examiner may expect something similar to your example!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

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Q: When should we hold The Retagging Event?

We're going to hold a chat event (Similar to TCE) to retag almost all of the grammar questions. Are you going to help? What day of the week and at what time are you willing to help us? Personally I'd go with Friday, since it's the weekend here and the last weekday there (Friday evenings are famo...

One more upboat before everyone sees it and answers it.

Damkerng T.

Hello, @VictorBazarov! Welcome to the room!

Victor Bazarov

Hello! First time, no kicking, please.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@VictorBazarov Hullo @Victor! Welcome!

Damkerng T.

Okay, I won't. :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:42

Kicks @Victor

Victor Bazarov

Ow!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

tchrist

👣

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That makes me think of Humpty Dumpty in Puss in Boots.

@tchrist We have a Unicode character for that?! :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. His face looked a bit mature. I dunno, that reminds me of those kids in Shaolin.

@DamkerngT. I can't think of anything that we don't have a Unicode char for.

@TCh gimme whale.

BTW, @Victor tell us a bit about yourself. :)

Victor Bazarov

21:45

What would you like to know?

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Victor is a notable answerer on ELL. end-of-data

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Anything. Anything that you'd like to share.

@DamkerngT. That's not big data.

Victor Bazarov

<shrug>I don't remember how I stumbled upon ELL, but saw it as an opportunity to learn by trying to answer. Old Usenet school, you know.

Damkerng T.

Indeed. Oh, BTW, sorry for calling you by your first name. The chat room makes me see only your first name. @VictorBazarov

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Victor Bazarov

21:47

No prob'm

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

First name sounds friendly.

Victor Bazarov

It's my name, why would I mind, right?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Victor @Victor @Victor @Victor -- Ooh that feels good.

Victor Bazarov

Don't overdo it, though.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Well, normally I'd have to wait for him telling me to do so first. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:48

@VictorBazarov Here's something that goes nice with that: ಠ_ಠ

Victor Bazarov

BTW, are there keyb shortcuts for that?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@VictorBazarov Dunno, I use porkchat.

Lemme find a link.

Victor Bazarov

Ten hut! ;-)

No? Sorry...

StoneyB

Good evening @VictorBazarov!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

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Q: Porkchat: A Chrome extension with lots of chat tweaks!

Install Install from the Chrome Web Store About Porkchat is a Chrome extension that bundles together a lot of scripts I have written for Stack Exchange chat over the years. It is fully configurable - each individual script can be enabled/disabled from the options page. Included Scripts ...

script chrome-extensions chat

Victor Bazarov

21:51

Hello, @StoneyB!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Found it!

StoneyB

(or whatever part-of-day it is where you are)

Victor Bazarov

Ah.. Chrome. I'm on IE.. @StoneyB: yes, evening in about 7 minutes. EDT.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@VictorBazarov Get started with chat: You can edit your chat messages for two minutes.

You can delete them too.

Victor Bazarov

Right. It's easy to say "you can edit", it's harder to decide how or when to delete. :-)

StoneyB

21:54

And the Owner of this establishment can move them somewhere else, which is disconcerting.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@VictorBazarov Are you using desktop/laptop?

tchrist

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 🐋🐳🐬

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB No it isn't.

Victor Bazarov

Russian saying, "word is like a sparrow, after it flies out you can't catch it"

Damkerng T.

You can delete your own messages within only two minutes as well.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:54

@VictorBazarov Well, you can catch it here.

StoneyB

But it leaves a mark behind.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Scar.

Damkerng T.

I see whales and a dolphin!

Victor Bazarov

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M : desktop. Does it show? (looks around himself)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@VictorBazarov Then SE chat is heavenly for you right now. Just hover over a message with the cursor, and then click on the down arrow to the left.

tchrist

21:56

@StoneyB Yes, but they can't delete them, so you can follow them if you wish.

Victor Bazarov

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I see that. Thanks!

StoneyB

@tchrist It's sort of like finding yourself as the Work Under Consideration being deconstructed and intertextualized.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@VictorBazarov OK, chat intro, level 2: @Dam is a robot, @TCh is something worse than a robot, @Stoney is a guy from the past millennia, I'm a chemical, @Snail is a snail vehicle, @Jim is the judge in Judge and Jury, @Copper is a Russian ~~bike~~ biker, and we're yet to see a normal human here.

Damkerng T.

LOL

tchrist

And @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M is a Persian Boy.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

22:00

No he isn't. ಠ_ಠ

StoneyB

An Azeri

Victor Bazarov

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M : it's not important what we all are, it's important why we're here (eeck!)

StoneyB

I am here because today's questions are so depressing.

Victor Bazarov

@StoneyB it comes it goes, don't it?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm here because my hands hurt and today was exhausting IRL.

tchrist

22:02

@StoneyB May running the delete queue bring you some relief.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB A Tork.

@tchrist +1 for the reminder.

StoneyB

Mostly they come and echo each other.

Damkerng T.

I was here to find out more secrets about liquefaction and aloe vera.

Victor Bazarov

shrug whaddya gonna do?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Let's delete some of the troll's questions.

Damkerng T.

22:03

Now trying to find out what "gorra light 'ave yer" means...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@VictorBazarov review -> tools -> delete

tchrist

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I don't think I can cast any more delete votes on those.

StoneyB

@DamkerngT. I beg your pardon, have you a light?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@tchrist Watch and burn.

Victor Bazarov

Yeah, I need to learn some tools, that's true...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

22:04

@StoneyB Um, how about . . . no?

tchrist

@VictorBazarov Here.

Damkerng T.

@StoneyB "gorra" ~ "got", perhaps?

Victor Bazarov

got a

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

goat a

StoneyB

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That's what we Shakespeare scholars call "by indirections find directions out"

Damkerng T.

22:05

Ahh... that's a curious /t/ -> /r/.

StoneyB

BrE apical flap r

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Not in a QWERTY keyboard.

StoneyB

voiced

Victor Bazarov

@StoneyB is that cockny (sp?)

StoneyB

Generic proletarian - technically, "Cockney" is only properly used of those born within earshot of Bow Bells.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

22:07

@VictorBazarov Victor honestly, SE's stuff is one of the hardest things in the universe to try and learn. There is this Meta Stack Exchange which is supposed to be the Q/A wiki of the stuff you need to know about SE and its features, but finding something fun to read among the funny punny comments is next to improbable.

But questions tagged with FAQ are good to read for a start.

Victor Bazarov

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, yeah I don't think I'm up for that... Too old, you know...

Seems like all those good things deserve multiple lifetimes.

...and we don't got one even, it seems sometimes.

Damkerng T.

No need to test the water, just jump in! :P

StoneyB

Feet first, though: it's shallow.

Damkerng T.

Good advice indeed! :D

Victor Bazarov

my philosophy - learn as you go.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

22:10

@Victor you may find engaging in meta discussions in [meta.ELL] useful.

Victor Bazarov

who reads the manuals anyway? @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M: I am sure they are. but who got the time?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Y DAT DIDN'T ONEBOX (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

@VictorBazarov They're only useful if you're going to actually do something with the site.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M See, that's another secret of SE. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

They're not needed for answering only.

Damkerng T.

[ell.meta] <-- doesn't work; never mind that

Victor Bazarov

22:13

luckily all those things can be done by degrees, as little as one day a month...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. It only does that in comments. And flip a table.

jimsug

Hmm, does English Language Learners Meta not work?

[meta]

English Language Learners

[main]

Damkerng T.

Oh! jimsug came to the rescue!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@VictorBazarov Yes, but since I want to know what I'm holding in my hands, I read them all. And you can ask me anything you want about it. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ :) O:)

Damkerng T.

Thanks!

StoneyB

22:14

The mysteries of namespace.

jimsug

That's how it works in comments, too, except [main] only works on meta, and vice versa.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@jimsug Whadidyoudo?

StoneyB

He showed you.

jimsug

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M [meta] and [main]

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Let's talk about English Language Learners Meta.

Aha.

StoneyB

22:15

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You need practice with your eye dialect: Whaddidjudu?

jimsug

Whadidjado?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm.

@jimsug "jado" means "magic" in Persian.

StoneyB

Didgeridoo

Victor Bazarov

LOL

jimsug

Didjaridoo?

StoneyB

22:16

No, MAR did.

Damkerng T.

off to make some tea; 'll be back in about 10 minutes or so

Victor Bazarov

All looks like cock-a-doodle-doo.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

BTW @Victor markdown works in chat, like the main site, in a limited way. italic bold slanted bold ALL-CAPS (that isn't markdown :P)

Victor Bazarov

I noticed (nods)

OK, All, thanks! Enough for one night... Need to head home from work. Tootles!

StoneyB

Someday a linguist with nothing better to do is going to write a monograph on SE dialectal variation.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

22:18

\o

Victor Bazarov

waves

StoneyB

Tata!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB His algorithms will fail trying to understand this user: chemistry.stackexchange.com/users/7448/inzm-a-m

StoneyB

You're only partially active here?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I guess so.

StoneyB

22:21

I suppose we should be grateful to chem for making it possible to get a word in edgewise.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I don't even have an ELL tab open right now.

StoneyB

eyes the bait suspiciously

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M - Do you know why Sublimate might have been so much more popular mid-century? Was there some field of research into sublimation that was just opening up? — Adam 1 hour ago

Damkerng T.

@VictorBazarov o/

StoneyB

Pop Freudianism

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

22:28

First thoughts: Sublimation was being studied back then by the scientific community, but liquefaction is a pretty recent name.

StoneyB

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It peaks at the beginning of the 20th century, not the middle; and most of those hits are medical uses of "corrosive sublimate", an old name for mercury bichloride, used as a topical antiseptic.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB I think you should comment and answer Adam for that cause.

in The Biosphere, 23 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@TanMath Begging is begging, no matter what. I wouldn't have done it if I were you. Sometimes people say dang, 20 rep away from xk and they suddenly get the upvotes without further expectations. Asking is a bit . . . I dunno . . . you're just hurting your image of grandeur in everyone else's eye.

Today I used that awesome word again.

StoneyB

As you wish.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh what's with today . . . Hullo and welcome to LO @DJMcMayhem!

@Dam did you suddenly get popular?

Damkerng T.

The room, perhaps. :D

Welcome to the room, @DJMcMayhem!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

22:37

@DamkerngT. Are you serving tea?

StoneyB

Nos morituri te salutamus

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inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's 2:05 here, and I don't feel like sleeping.

Damkerng T.

Actually, my tea isn't ready yet.

Speaking of which, the water is ready! Be back in a few minutes.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Heh.

StoneyB

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Which awesome word? --dang?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

22:39

@StoneyB Haha that goes without saying. But no, I meant "grandeur".

StoneyB

Not very common these days. Used mostly in connection with a) Rome and b) delusions.

It's pretty well naturalized by now, anyway. Use grandezza instead -- much more sophisticated.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'll remember that.

tchrist

> Con motivo de la abdicación del Rey Juan Carlos I y la subida al Trono de su hijo el Rey Felipe VI, la Diputación de la Grandeza de España, como único órgano oficial de representación de los Grandes de España y Títulos del Reino, quiere dar la bienvenida al nuevo Rey.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm going to sleep, finally!

Night guys.

StoneyB

Spanish works, too.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Night, MAR. Me, too: I have to go buy my wife bookcases.

Damkerng T.

22:53

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Nighty night!

Good night, @StoneyB!

DJ McMayhem

Hello @everyone

Damkerng T.

Hello! I'm on and off the room; sorry about the delay.

Is this your first time in a chat room on SE? @DJMcMayhem

DJ McMayhem

23:21

No, I've been on SE chat rooms before. @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

I see. I should've noticed @everyone anyway. Silly me. :-)

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