Language Overflow

Anonymous

00:19

@DamkerngT. Different linguists define modality differently, but that does seem like a pretty decent definition.

Man_From_India

06:02

@snailboat That confusion about determiner is clear now :-) thanks ....

Damkerng T.

09:12

@snailboat Yes. It looks quite good and it makes things a lot clearer.

By that definition, used to and dare wouldn't be modal verbs, I think.

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Q: "What is it like?" vs "How is it to?"

The German language (my mother tongue) does not offer different question words for asking for an adjective and for an adverb. In both cases Wie? is used which literally means How? in English. This raises some difficulties for English question sentences: Is my assumption right, that for adverbs h...

Interesting.

My first idea: adjective vs. adverb

And a bit about the choice of verb.

Provably copula verbs make the difference.

Good afternoon, @Man_From_India!

Man_From_India

Good afternoon @DamkerngT.

Now watching Dark Knight :-)

Damkerng T.

Cool!

Dark Knight Rises?

Man_From_India

Yes that one :)

Damkerng T.

I like Nolan's movies.

His scripts are superb.

Man_From_India

09:28

Oh btw yesterday's discussion helped me a lot. I read today morning a lot, and corrected my previously written answer that was wrong on some parts. Corrected it today :-)

Damkerng T.

Yay!

Man_From_India

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A: 'Such [something/someone]' OR 'Such a [something/someone]' -Any diference?

The word such is used as a predeterminer. (Not concentrating on other uses of such, because they are not relevant here) When it is used as predeterminer, we use a/an after such. We can also use such as a single determiner, without the need of any other determiner, such as a/an following it. ...

This one, previously I thought such can also be used as a postdeterminer. But that is plain wrong. It's only a predeterminer as Macmillan Dictionary says.

Damkerng T.

I haven't read CGEL so I don't know how they classify pre- post-determiners.

Traditionally, determiners and predeterminers should be enough.

Man_From_India

No this one is taken from A Comprehensive Grammar of English Language. I don't think CGEL classify it that way. Not very sure, I didn't read that part in CGEL.

Damkerng T.

Oh, I mixed them up!

Quirk et al.?

Man_From_India

09:36

:-) ACGEL and CGEL :-)

@DamkerngT. Ah right...

Damkerng T.

nods

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. A German translation might be helpful for the OP, I guess in this case.

Damkerng T.

nods -- Could be. I'm not sure how different the two languages are in this respect.

So generally to ask for an adjective, the What is ... like form is used? Or could I also say How is the car that is twice as fast as our old one? — MinecraftShamrock 11 mins ago

How is the car that is twice as fast as our old one? -- "In perfect condition." maybe.

Man_From_India

Hmm seen that...

I can't remember anyone from our chatroom users who is a German.

If anyone was there, he could help here :-(

Damkerng T.

09:52

Some of ELL users can speak German. I think it can be answered without the answerer having to know German, though.

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Q: Does this sentence sound natural?

These classes have been my only opportunity to speak english. Does this sentence sound natural to native English speakers? If not, how can I correct this sentence? Thanks.

sentences

It's interesting that the OP asked "Does this sentence sound natural?" but then asked "If not, how can I correct this sentence?"

Man_From_India

But it sounds like OP is not very sure about the use of how and what.

Damkerng T.

I think they think of "grammatical" and "natural" as the same thing.

Man_From_India

reading

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India nods -- Me either. I can't explain why I choose to use What's it like sometimes and How is it some other times.

Man_From_India

Hmmm without context is in place of have been sounds better to me. But op's sentence is grammatical.

Brb

Damkerng T.

10:01

room topic changed to Language Overflow: Random thoughts about language, language learning, learners, and their language (no tags)

user62015

10:15

Hi! @DamkerngT. How are you?

Damkerng T.

I'm okay. How are you?

user62015

I am bit confused. I am great, thanks.

I am going to send you a question. My answer was right but I couldn't find the reason why it was right.

Please visit the link.

theonlinetestcentre.com/spotting-errors12.html#3

Question number 3.

Answer is: Indian industry on fighting pollution.

Why we are using on as we always use the preposition "on" after the word "invest".

Damkerng T.

Hmm...

user62015

The preposition "in"*

Have you understood? What I want to ask.

Damkerng T.

Yes. I understand it.

Well, how should I put it?

First of all, how do you know that you can trust that site?

user62015

10:23

I have to as the answer is there. But does the answer also sound odd to you?

Damkerng T.

Maybe in Indian English, it's supposed to be on. I don't know.

user62015

Okay. What your view on it?

Damkerng T.

It looks like the site conflates spend on with invest in.

user62015

Okay.

Damkerng T.

> A. In a report issued by Indian Statistical Institute, B. the Iron and Steel Industry is investing more than any other C. Indian industry in fighting pollution. D. No error. - See more at: theonlinetestcentre.com/spotting-errors12.html#3

> Answer: Option C
Explanation: Indian industry on fighting pollution
- See more at: http://www.theonlinetestcentre.com/spotting-errors12.html#3

user62015

10:27

Checking.....

Oh!

Damkerng T.

It's your site.

user62015

No!

I was just giving the exam.

Damkerng T.

Ahh

user62015

I am preparing for a government job.

Damkerng T.

nods

user62015

10:28

But that was a nice joke, How can I maintain that kind of website?

I am just a learner.

So, do you think that was a wrong answer?

Damkerng T.

I think it isn't a good question.

user62015

My question or on the website?

Damkerng T.

The test.

user62015

Yes.

It is Indian English!!!

Damkerng T.

nods

user62015

10:34

You know what, Indian population is so high and we are going to beat China soon, but point is that India is the country where people speak English more compare to other countries. So soon Indian English will get more attention!

Damkerng T.

It's widely accepted that Indian English is a real dialect.

user62015

You can say it's a good benefit of having more population.

It got touch from Hindi.

Damkerng T.

The problem is that most people who speak Indian English speak English as a second language.

nods

user62015

Yes.

CopperKettle

Good day, @DamkerngT.!

Damkerng T.

10:36

Good afternoon, @CopperKettle!

user62015

But soon it will become our first language as most of the Indian just speak English.

CopperKettle

I wonder if the sentence "Have you been fighting again?" is natural. I've been reading about Present Perfect Progressive and started wondering.

user62015

And young generation is also following them.

Damkerng T.

nods -- At this stage, I doubt how consistent Indian English is.

I mean within the same dialect. Does it vary from one speaker to another? By how much?

@CopperKettle It sounds natural enough to me. The only thing I think we need is the context.

user62015

In India we speak same way.

CopperKettle

10:38

@user62015 I might be good for the Indian economy, since business is so English-centered

@DamkerngT. Oh, the context I imagine is a mother looking at her two sons, out of breath and with some bruises.

user62015

But we use prepositions of Hindi when there is something which does not make sense

Damkerng T.

@user62015 I still doubt it. There are a lot of websites similar to your test website. And every one of them seems to try to impose some sort of standard Indian English.

user62015

@CopperKettle Thanks.-:)

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle That's a good context!

user62015

@DamkerngT. But in our exams we are asked questions same way.

CopperKettle

10:40

@DamkerngT. Thanks!

@user62015 the same way (if you don't mind my prompting, it's a language chat and stuff (0:)

user62015

@CopperKettle Thanks, I love it.

That's why I am here.

@CopperKettle correct me when you think I am wrong. I love it. I have an online exam soon as I have applied for a government job!

CopperKettle

@user62015 Okay, @user62015-ji! (0:

user62015

@CopperKettle Thanks for "ji!". it shows you know Hindi maybe a bit.

CopperKettle

@user62015 I've picked it from articles about Modiji

user62015

@CopperKettle Sounds good.

CopperKettle

10:45

About Narendra Modi (0:

user62015

It's to give respect.

CopperKettle

Yep. (0:

Where are you in India?

Damkerng T.

> A. Regretfully, profits earned by your company
B. fell by 20 per cent last year
C. despite higher sales.
D. No error. - See more at: http://www.theonlinetestcentre.com/spotting-errors12.html#2

user62015

@CopperKettle @DamkerngT. Copper Kettle ji and Damkerng ji.

Damkerng T.

> Answer: Option A
Explanation: Regrettably, profits earned by your company
- See more at: http://www.theonlinetestcentre.com/spotting-errors12.html#2

@user62015 ji!

user62015

10:46

@DamkerngT. yES.

Damkerng T.

About regretfully vs. regrettably, I believe that both are possible, even though I may opt to use regrettably too.

CopperKettle

"Read the each sentence" - O_o

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle Oh, I missed that! :D

CopperKettle

A very strange test

Damkerng T.

nods

This usage note may be useful: oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/regretfully

> Usage:
The adjectives regretful and regrettable are distinct in meaning: regretful means ‘feeling or showing regret’, as in she shook her head with a regretful smile, while regrettable means ‘giving rise to regret; undesirable’, as in the loss of jobs is regrettable. The adverbs regretfully and regrettably have not, however, preserved the same distinction. Regretfully is used as a normal adverb to mean ‘in a regretful manner’ ( he sighed regretfully), but it is also used as a sentence adverb meaning ‘it is regrettable that’ ( regretfully, mounting costs forced the branch to close). In thi…

CopperKettle

10:49

Maybe regretfully pertains more to the manner in which something is done. Since profits can have no regrets, it could me a minor error.

Damkerng T.

I think that's what the test seems to aim at.

CopperKettle

"The error, if any will be in one part of the sentence." - I don't get the meaning of this, frankly. Written by a non-native user of English.

Damkerng T.

nods -- I remember StoneyB said something about "if any" -- when it can be shorten, when we are better off with "if there is any".

A few useful links on regrettably vs. regretfully:

oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/regretfully

grammarist.com/usage/regrettable-regretful

vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/regrettably-regretfully

public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/regretfully.html

user62015

@CopperKettle @DamkerngT. That's my problem. I read the news on Dailymail and novels which are written by American writers but when I go to face Indian exams I get confused.

Damkerng T.

@user62015 I tried to dab at InE a bit here and there. I think at its most acceptable form, it's pretty much like BrE, probably a few decades ago, mixed with some expressions commonly used in AmE.

I mean grammar-wise.

The most noticeable difference (to me) is the difference in information delivery.

But there are a wide variety within InE itself, as far as I can tell, so I'm not sure how to get a hold of it properly.

user62015

11:05

I am back.

Damkerng T.

Ah, but I've got to go. :D

Be back later.

user62015

@DamkerngT. The main difference I see is the way of making sentences.

See you soon. Bye for now. Thanks for your time.

user62015

11:27

@CopperKettle I am from New Delhi.

Damkerng T.

12:08

Got an interesting sentence from another room:

in English Language & Usage, 3 hours ago, by Justyna Nogala

The older and the handicapped people transported from Skawina were buried there within a few days.

Context aside, the usage is interesting.

Some possible choices are the old, the older, the elderly, the old people, the older people, the elderly people.

Also handicapped vs. disabled.

A usage note by Macmillan: macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/old

> Words that may cause offense: old

> Avoid saying that someone is old or elderly, and avoid referring to old or elderly people as the old or the elderly. Instead, use expressions such as older people, retired people, the over 50s/60s etc. or seniors where appropriate.

On Google Books:

"The elderly and handicapped were" 32 results

"The elderly and the handicapped were" 20 results

"The older and the handicapped were" 0 results

"The older and handicapped were" 0 results (a couple results on the web)

"The older and handicapped people were" 0 results

"the older were" 30-40 results

"the older and disabled were" 1 result

"the older and the disabled were" 0 results (1 on the web)

"the older and disabled people were" 0 results

"the older and the disabled people were" 0 results

"The elderly and disabled were" 36 results

"The elderly and the disabled were" 26 results

"The elderly and disabled people were" 1 result

"The elderly and the disabled people were" 0 results (1 on the web)

"the old and disabled were" 24 results

"the old and the disabled were" 22 results

"the old and the disabled people were" 0 results

"the old and disabled people were" 1 result

"the old and handicapped people were" 0 results

"the old and handicapped were" 6 results

"the old and the handicapped were" 14 results

"the old and the handicapped people were" 0 results

So, these are the common choices: The elderly/old and (the) handicapped/disabled were.

M.A.Ramezani

12:35

Hmm.

Damkerng T.

13:06

> Their happiness was not decreased by the absence of summer. They loved, and sympathised with one another; and their joys, depending on each other, were not interrupted by the casualties that took place around them. The more I saw of them, the greater became my desire to claim their protection and kindness; my heart yearned to be known and loved by these amiable creatures: to see their sweet looks directed towards me with affection was the utmost limit of my ambition. I dared not think that they would turn them from me with disdain and horror. The poor that stopped at their door were never…

> Ravaged by grief and guilt, Victor retreats into the mountains. The Monster locates him, pleading for Victor to hear his tale. Intelligent and articulate, the Creature says that his encounters with people led to his fear of them, driving him into the wilderness. While living near a cottage, he grew fond of the family living there. The Creature learned to speak by listening to them and he taught himself to read after discovering a lost satchel of books. When he saw his reflection in a pool, he realized his physical appearance was hideous. Despite this, he approached the family in hopes of …

M.A.Ramezani

13:24

@DamkerngT. So dramatic!

Damkerng T.

By Mary Shelley!

M.A.Ramezani

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Q: Would you help me with English?

If you say who somebody is talking to, use TELL: Sonia told me that you were in hospital.( not Sonia said me) Would you tell me what the following means? and would you give me some example, so that I can understand? If you say who somebody is talking to

grammar vocabulary

What the what?

Tha' is the worst title I've ever seen on main sites.

Damkerng T.

It reflects one concern I have: our users may not understand our answers

> If you say who somebody is talking to, use TELL:
Sonia told me that you were in hospital.( not Sonia said me)

That should be clear enough by itself.

M.A.Ramezani

Well I think we've cleared up the case by Nima.

Damkerng T.

(I hope the original phrasing was better than that.)

M.A.Ramezani

13:33

We should make our answers as hard as possible.

Damkerng T.

Heh!

M.A.Ramezani

He will not ask if he doesn't understand it anyway.

user62015

13:48

Hi! @DamkerngT. @M.A.Ramezani

M.A.Ramezani

o/

user62015

He as well as you 1/ is tired of 2/ this long 3/ and troublesome affair 4/. No error 5

He as well as you 1/ are tired of 2/ this long 3/ and troublesome affair 4/. No error 5

Which is perfect?

M.A.Ramezani

The first one, if I understand your sentence correctly.

user62015

You are right, but could you tell me the reason please?

I couldn't understand so I have pasted it here to get help.

M.A.Ramezani

As well as you isn't part of the sentence's subject.

The verb agrees with subject, nothing else.

user62015

13:51

Okay. Made sense.

Damkerng T.

What @M.A.Ramezani said.

M.A.Ramezani

Hmm, @Dam what is as well as you in that sentence?

Damkerng T.

Though imho, it's the best to avoid this kind of sentence.

user62015

So when we use "as well as" in the subject it does not make any changes between the subject and the helping verb?

M.A.Ramezani

A parenthetical? I don't think so.

@user62015 We don't use that in the subject.

Damkerng T.

13:52

Hmm... I'm not sure about its part of speech.

M.A.Ramezani

That as well as has a different role of speech.

Damkerng T.

And there are more than one kind of agreement.

user62015

Okay.

M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. Yes, but talking about that distracts it here/

Damkerng T.

So I wouldn't want to go into the "perfect" or "flawless" trap.

@M.A.Ramezani nods -- I agree.

M.A.Ramezani

13:54

@DamkerngT. FLAWLESS?

Damkerng T.

Yep.

M.A.Ramezani

According to the FLAWLESS book, the second sentence is correct.

Damkerng T.

This kind of exercise must be from that kind of book.

M.A.Ramezani

Yeah, something junky.

No offense there @User.

Sometimes truth bites.

user62015

Okay.

So "as well as you" is not the part of the sentence, right?

So that's why it doesn't make any difference in the sentence.

M.A.Ramezani

13:57

It is part of the sentence, but not part of the subject.

Damkerng T.

It's part of the sentence. It's part of the subject.

M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. Wha?

Damkerng T.

Well, depending on how you parse it.

M.A.Ramezani

Hmm yeah.

user62015

@DamkerngT. @M.A.Ramezani I am sorry, I meant the same thing.

Damkerng T.

13:58

He reading a book is always a pleasurable sight to see. -- I think reading a book is part of the subject.

user62015

Along the 1/ northern frontier of India 2/ is seen 3/ the Himalayas mighty in their splendour 4/. No error 5

Along the 1/ northern frontier of India 2/ are seen 3/ the Himalayas mighty in their splendour 4/. No error 5

M.A.Ramezani

@user62015 The omitting of many parts of speech in a sentence doesn't make fundamental changes to the meaning.

@user62015 What's that No error 5?

user62015

Second one is right? But I don't understand why?

It is kind of online test. -:)

M.A.Ramezani

@user62015 This sentence clicks my ear as an inversion.

@user62015 Oh you little. . .!

Damkerng T.

The phrase the Himalayas mighty in their splendour is interesting.

M.A.Ramezani

14:00

Ahan. There comes English - I mean @snail.

Hullo @snail. Some serious online test going on here.

@DamkerngT. Poetic.

Oooh the drama!

Man_From_India

Good evening everyone :-)

M.A.Ramezani

@Man_From_India Evening!

Damkerng T.

nods -- Post modifier? I think.

Evening @Man_From_India, @snailboat!

Anonymous

The sentence begins with a preposition phrase, but this phrase is not the subject; that comes later

M.A.Ramezani

The first one?

Or the second one?

Damkerng T.

14:01

The Himalayas one.

M.A.Ramezani

Oh, the second one.

user62015

Yes. The second one.

M.A.Ramezani

Interesting are sentences these with lot a of structures mixed.

user62015

But why the second one?

Damkerng T.

@user62015 Two clues: Himalayas, their

M.A.Ramezani

14:03

@user62015 Because their.

Yeah, @Dam cluified it.

Anonymous

> The Himalayas (is/are) seen along the northern frontier of India.

user62015

I understood.

Thanks.

Anonymous

Which verb would you pick now that I've put the sentence in a more basic word order?

Anonymous

I removed one modifier

M.A.Ramezani

Eeeekh there's a cheesy old bollywood movie on the TV.

@snailboat I think they got it.

Man_From_India

14:05

It's "mighty", the subject...so there should be a is. Isn't it?

M.A.Ramezani

@snail what about the previous question? What's the role of speech of as well as?

@Man_From_India Mighty is a copula there.

I think.

Anonymous

Ignore their and the entire modifier it appears in

M.A.Ramezani

Methinks.

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India Try to read it as "the Himalayas which are mighty in their splendour".

Anonymous

Mighty is not a copula, it's an adjective

Man_From_India

14:06

Ah got it, thanks....

M.A.Ramezani

Eh?

Oh.

Ah.

Ih.

Damkerng T.

Where's the U, Uh? :D

M.A.Ramezani

Yh.

Anonymous

The only relevant word is Himalayas here

M.A.Ramezani

Oh that'd make a nice chemal symbol for the next element.

Man_From_India

14:09

> He as well as you is tired of this long and troublesome affair.

as well as is a quasi-coordinator

2

M.A.Ramezani

Cool. WHAT IS THAT?

Damkerng T.

Ah, a good term for it!

M.A.Ramezani

Is it edible?

It's starrable at least.

Man_From_India

as well as acts both as a coordinator, and a preposition.

M.A.Ramezani

Ahan.

That's so weird in itself.

Man_From_India

14:12

So they called it a quasi-coordinator. :-)

Further? snailboat can help :D

For example -

> He is better than I am

than is a conjunction.

> He is better than me (or I -hypercorrection)

than here is a preposition. So than is a quasi-coordinator.

As well as as a preposition -

> As well as trying to influence the black press through the official propaganda network and through a disingenuous form of consultation, the government was exercising a third form of more direct inducement.

M.A.Ramezani

Gosh! What's with the disingenuous craze these days? It must be a meme.

Man_From_India

And this -

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India It's interesting to think of as well as as a preposition, but after thinking about it for a while, I think it's true.

Man_From_India

> They'll add freshness, flavor, and variety to your diet, as well as increasing the productivity of your garden

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani It's probably more polite than saying you liar. (I saw an ELL question about that yesterday or the day before, I think.)

Man_From_India

14:19

@DamkerngT. Here you go thefreedictionary.com/as%20well%20as

M.A.Ramezani

You liar.

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India A-ha! Thanks!

M.A.Ramezani

I was referring to the mosquito flying around here.

Damkerng T.

Heh!

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. Free dictionary is another good dictionary. I like it mostly because of Collins Cobuild Usage guide.

M.A.Ramezani

14:20

Word of the day: Involution

Damkerng T.

nods

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Q: Why in English it is considered rude to say "he is lying"

I am foreigner and I want to describe somebody's behavior. Why in English it is considered rude to say "he is lying". Or he is liar.

word-usage

M.A.Ramezani

@Man_From_India I mostly like it because of its games in its win8 app.

Man_From_India

@M.A.Ramezani Haha...(I wish stackexchange had whatsapp-like emoji support :D)

@DamkerngT. This looks more like a psychological and opinion based question :D

Damkerng T.

Hehe! But I think it's true that it's generally considered rude if it's out of nowhere.

Man_From_India

If I do wrong, and if you abuse me on my face for that, it's expected that I will not take your words other than rudely, no matter how true you are :D

I believe this is human psychology, that varies with culture and region. Yes some words can mean a bit different, though.

Damkerng T.

14:28

That's fair enough. I guess that can be the right time to use that kind of word. The other time is probably in an investigation or a trial.

Man_From_India

My sentence ...take your words other than rudely.... is wrong, I guess....I needed to reword it in a different way.

Damkerng T.

My plain choice: I'll take your words as nothing but rude.

Anonymous

@Man_From_India That portion of the sentence looks okay (though the wording isn't particularly common)

Anonymous

True isn't the right word. Right, perhaps?

Anonymous

What languages is it not rude to call someone a liar in?

M.A.Ramezani

14:35

Turkish.

Man_From_India

:D

Damkerng T.

lol

Damkerng T.

14:46

Hmm... take something rudely. How can we do that?

M.A.Ramezani

Like this.

@Dam please take my words rudely. Here you go.

Damkerng T.

I don't know how to do that!

M.A.Ramezani

OK, Do as the follwing:

First, repeat I'm not a robot! ten times.

Man_From_India

Ah :O

Damkerng T.

On the other hand, this makes sense to me:

> It is sufficient to take away the flesh rudely, and to dry the bones together thoroughly, without separating them.

M.A.Ramezani

14:50

Yeah it makes sense to Jim too.

Damkerng T.

I think take someone words or something rudely may be possible, as something opposite to take someone/something kindly, but it's hard for me to imagine it.

Man_From_India

@M.A.Ramezani haha

@DamkerngT. hmmm...I don't know how to explain it. But it does sound right to me.

Damkerng T.

nods

I think if I want to take someone's words rudely, I have to be rude myself first. Maybe that's why it's hard to imagine for me.

The opposite is easier: take someone's words kindly

or Kindly take someone's words

I mean, we can kindly/patiently/etc. take someone's rude words.

Oh, impatiently makes sense!

So we can impatiently/rudely take someone's polite words as well.

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. But wait snailboat said it's possible, but the wordings are not just common.

M.A.Ramezani

OK you're overthinking it.

Damkerng T.

14:55

@M.A.Ramezani I was just trying to make sense of the expression.

M.A.Ramezani

Hey guys I'm going to have you proofread something for me in a few minutes.

Damkerng T.

At this point, I agree that's it's possible, though I think it's not a frequently used expression.

Eh?

M.A.Ramezani

Its my meta Q.

Damkerng T.

nods

user62015

15:07

@Man_From_India Hi!

Man_From_India

hi @user62015

user62015

How are you?

Man_From_India

Yes fine...thanks for asking...what about you?

user62015

I am great.

Are you from India?

Man_From_India

Yes :D

user62015

15:10

Great.

Which part of it?

Man_From_India

Currently in Bangalore.

Where r u from?

Anonymous

@Man_From_India But what a plot twist it would have been if the answer were 'no'!

Man_From_India

@snailboat :D haha

user62015

@Man_From_India I am from New Delhi.

Man_From_India

@user62015 Oh u r also from India :-) From capital :-)

user62015

15:15

@Man_From_India Yes :-)

@Man_From_India What do you do for a living?

Man_From_India

@user62015 Eat :D

user62015

@Man_From_India That's the thing which everyone had to do :-)

has*

Man_From_India

School teachers might object to your using which there, but that is not correct :D

Damkerng T.

15:42

@Man_From_India +1 :-)

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