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6:00 PM
@DamkerngT. I liked the former version better. Conversational deletion FTW.
 
Me too!
 
6:29 PM
Wow.
Shog posted a very nice link you must see my internet friends @Cop @Dam:
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. The story suits SE very well.
 
That was why Shog posted it.
 
Bookmarked! -- (I wonder if I'm collecting bookmarks...)
 
6:44 PM
Uff, they say "Didn't you buy some apples? And Didn't you buy any apples? are both possible.
 
Yes, both are possible.
 
@V.V. Sure, why wouldn't they be?
 
Then, tell me about "some"variant, please.
 
What should I tell you? :)
It just works. @V.V. "some" is very, very versatile. It can be attached to almost anything the other ones can.
It's a jack of all trades.
 
"I thought you bought some apples. Didn't you buy some?"
 
6:49 PM
Why using "some" in a question if it's.not a request or an offer?
 
Because we mean "some" when we use "some". I know this explanation doesn't explain much.
But the use of some and any can be very tricky at times.
 
@V.V. "Some" only shows some sort of quantity. Nothing else.
You can use some to swear at people, even.
 
Ha,ha.but it's logical.
 
Wow, 6 votes. My meta post took off, I think.
I have ideas for many more, but I think we should do one at a time.
 
Can I say I thought you bought some apples. Didn't you buy any?
 
6:55 PM
@V.V. It's curious that you mention "a request or an offer". Does your book suggest that we can use some in such a negative interrogative request/offer?
 
@V.V. Yes.
 
@V.V. Of course, but the two alternatives suggest different things.
 
Yes.
Please, what's the difference?
 
One alternative expects that you've bought some apples. The other is just a plain question, no expectation.
 
So, with "some" it's not a question but confirmation. then.
 
7:00 PM
With "some" you can do pretty much anything.
 
Hmm.... sort of, I think. I think it's technically still a question.
 
I think it's useful to discuss what you can't use and where @V.V.
Grammar textbooks tend to restrict the scope of grammaticality of these things, though, sometimes with a bit of a stretch, you can make the sentences work.
 
That reminds me. Has he already arrived? Has he arrived yet?
 
No, don't worry. @JimR's not here yet.
 
@V.V. Either is fine, imo.
 
7:05 PM
I know,but with "already "it's a surprise, not a question.
 
It's a question, that shows surprise.
 
Hmm... I think it could go either way, depending on how it's uttered.
 
Most likely you'll be pinged with a "yes".
 
Just a question, surprisingly or not. (Written texts don't come with intonation, so it's hard to say, and we'd have to rely on the context.)
 
They are similar. These two examples, don't you think?People asking do know the result.,the answer
 
7:09 PM
Hmm... not really, imho.
 
@V.V. No, there's always a change in meaning, no matter how subtle, when you change the words.
 
"Has he arrived yet?" (He's supposed to have arrived already by now. If he still hasn't arrived, I'm going to be in trouble! <-- Just one possible scenario, BTW)
 
What that matters is that whether the change is so much that makes your statement turn into something nonsensical, or, as it is the case here, subtle enough not to be important until asked about.
 
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Q: Is "A Star Shoots" a complete sentence?

saySay A star shoots. I read something like this somewhere. Can this be thought of as a complete sentence? How does one analyze this, grammatically? It looks as though it is missing some phrase. On the other hand we do say shooting star, so it isn't very clear if this is a complete sentence or not.

 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Nice!
 
7:13 PM
It is.
 
A lot of people got a headache from that question!
 
@DamkerngT. Depends on whether we want it to be one or not.
 
LOL
 
Man-made elements outstripped Big Bang by number of kinds.
 
Apparently, Iron Man can come from either a large or a small star.
 
7:18 PM
(0:
 
Hey, I didn't expect cosmic rays on the chart!
 
Me neither
 
I started disappearing.Time to go to bed.Thanks for your kind help.Good night. D.T.,you should be a teacher,qui
 
I just wondered: was the basic number of particles just after Big Bang equal to the number we have today?
@V.V. Sleep Tight!
 
@V.V. You're welcome! Good night!
> Great fire-balls darted across the firmament leaving luminous trains, while others seemed stationary for a long time. Scientists and others who ... Not a star shoots nor a sparrow falls without his knowledge.
"Not a star shoots"
 
7:22 PM
 
Nice panel!
 
> And lo ! the joy that cometh with the morning,
​ Brightly victorious o'er the hours of care !
I have not watched in vain, serenely scorning
​ The wild and busy whispers of despair !
Thou hast sent tidings as of heaven. -- I wait
​ The hour, the sign, for blessed flight to thee.
Oh ! for the skylark's wing that seeks its mate
​ As a star shoots ! -- but on a breezy sea
We shall meet soon. -- To think of such an hour !
 
@DamkerngT. Basically what I recalled reading this panel was the word koan (0:
 
@CopperKettle It's Zen!
 
7:33 PM
Yep. (0:
Felicia Dorothea Hemans (25 September 1793 – 16 May 1835) was an English poet. == Ancestry == Felicia Heman's paternal grandfather was George Browne of Passage, County Cork, Ireland; her maternal grandparents were Benedict Paul Wagner (1718–1806), wine importer at 9 Wolstenholme Square, Liverpool, Lancashire, and Elizabeth Haydock Wagner (d. 1814) of Lancashire. Family legend gave the Wagners a Venetian origin; family heraldry an Austrian one. The Wagners' country address was North Hall near Wigan; they sent two sons to Eton College. Of three daughters, only Felicity married; her husband George...
Nice poem!
 
nods
 
It turns out I knew of one of her poems, but only forgot her name.
"Casabianca" is a poem by British poet Felicia Dorothea Hemans, first published in the New Monthly Magazine for August 1826. The poem starts: The boy stood on the burning deck Whence all but he had fled; The flame that lit the battle's wreck Shone round him o'er the dead. It is written in ballad meter, rhyming abab. == History == The poem commemorates an actual incident that occurred in 1798 during the Battle of the Nile aboard the French ship Orient. The young son Giocante (his age is variously given as ten, twelve and thirteen) of commander Louis de Casabianca remained at his post and perished...
It's set during the Battle of the Nile.
 
I know only little about that battle.
 
The poem was forced upon generations of schoolchildren, so they naturally churned out heaps of funny variations. But it might be good.
 
Introducing anything to school is a federal offense against that thing.
 
7:39 PM
@DamkerngT. I also know only little about it.. mainly because my cat Horatio Nelson was the admiral during that battle.
 
Points to himself says a student.
 
@CopperKettle Hah!
 
0
Q: Its trial version does add pictures - is it wrong?

IlanStuck with simple question - What is the correct version: Its trial version does add pictures... or Its trial version do adds pictures... thanks

Now I wonder what I should do with the question!
 
He woke me up at 5 am today, so I gave him a bowlful of cat food. Then he re-woke me an hour later, and there was still half the bowl uneaten..
 
7:42 PM
@CopperKettle Ah... that's so much like a cat!
 
So I just stood and looked at him. He complained for a minute, then bowed his head and started finishing the bowl. (0:
 
Who?
 
Horatio Nelson.
 
Horatio Nelson?
 
Yes.
 
7:43 PM
Oh.
 
5 am is midnight in Britain, so he must have been having his late dinner or something.
 
@DamkerngT. gone now
 
@DamkerngT. Ilan?!
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Yes
@bjb568 Ahh
 
I think he hasn't slept for a while.
 
7:53 PM
nods -- It could happen to anyone. :D
 
 
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9:18 PM
@DamkerngT. thanks for clarifying the issue
Could you explain what is the diff between "was shown" and "has been shown"??
 
9:56 PM
@Ilan No problem!
 
:)
 
@Ilan Hmm... the only difference is the tense.
 
is there any diff in meaning?
 
One is in the simple past, and the other is in the present perfect.
 
when should I use each form?
 
9:58 PM
@Ilan Depends.
 
mm
I will never learn it
:0
 
Most choices in language are like this. :-)
Hello, @StoneyB!
That reminds me that you could try reading our canonical post on English perfect written by StoneyB. :D
 
Hi, guys.
 
Hi! It's nice to see you in here.
Ilan just asked me which to use, between "was shown" and "has been shown", and I don't know where to start!
 
I drift in and out these days .. a lot on my plate. .. What have you got against Ilan that you're deliberately exposing him to the CP?!
 
10:02 PM
So I think the canon-post would be helpful. :D
@Ilan The canonical post is here: ell.stackexchange.com/q/13255/3281
 
I keep hoping it will . . .
 
:)
 
@Ilan Boiling it down: The present perfect is a present tense (that's why you can't use time-expressions with it that don't include the present). It's used to mention some past event or state because it somehow effects or affects what you're saying about the present. If you're talking only about the past, use the simple past.
 
mmm
I know the theory, but it never goes in auto-pilot mode
struggling with speaking
 
For instance: A: Go do your homework. B: I've done it already.
 
10:10 PM
it is simple
should I use pres perf here: "This lady got/has got free psychotherapy sessions" or it depends why we are talking about her?
 
Has got complicates the issue a bit more, because has got means "has".
 
urgh
 
I think we'd better think of have got as a special case.
 
ok, will learn it one more time
:)
 
10:58 PM
@HotLicks: I was going to say that "point in the chart" sounds more natural to me. I don't know how scientific this method is, but a google search of "point in the chart" (with quotes) gives 1,000,000 hits while "point on the chart" gives 770,000 hits. — James Dec 29 '15 at 12:49
That's a bit disappointing.
People should be more careful with data.
 
11:17 PM
@V.V. Has he arrived already / already arrived? can be a simple question, not necessarily an expression of surprise. We can indicate surprise with emphasis.
 
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