The Dangerously Elite

Unionhawk

18:00

Oh wait, Torval is also a power, I have to be more specific don't I

Tim Stone

Actually I think it might be between us and Patreus

Unionhawk

I see

Tim Stone

The controlling system is Wong Guin

Ngaiawang is right outside our bubble in Wong Guin's sphere of influence

Unionhawk

So, exploited systems are systems within like, 20 LY of a control system. If a system falls within the exploitation radius of 2 control systems, it is contested

Rapitor

15.

Unionhawk

18:01

15

Right

Knew that

Tim Stone

Rapitor

I think if it's contested, niether power gets the CC from it.

Unionhawk

Probably

The people on Patreus' side frighten me

He's a loose cannon

They're all loose cannons

Rapitor

if anything Torval frightens me more. I don't even know what they are about.

Unionhawk

Torval wants to turn unregulated slaves into her slaves, claiming she's making them imperial slaves

As I understand though, you like, sign up to be an imperial slave. It's indentured service.

Rapitor

18:07

isn't that kind of what Arissa is doing? we prefer imperial slaves

Unionhawk

So her taking possession of slaves is just her taking slaves.

You don't sign up to work for torval, you're "liberated" and then you work for Torval

Rapitor

oh.

that would explain why to undermine her our objective is to rescue people then.

Unionhawk

Her intentions sound noble but it's actually pretty fuct

Like, she goes on about how she's freeing unregulated slaves, but all she's doing is making unregulated slaves work for her under the guise of making them legal

Rapitor

well, she's for slavery at least. She's definitely allied to Patreus (remember reading it on her power page somewhere), so if her players want to keep to her lore, they'd be focusing on undermining Aisling.

i think anyway

Unionhawk

She's against Aisling, for sure

Since she's an abolitionist

Arissa has kind of sidestepped the whole slavery issue so far

Rapitor

18:23

Torval likes the black market and other shady things, which Arissa despises.

Unionhawk

Ya

(we get -20% black market)

Rapitor

and black markets are straight up shut down.

Unionhawk

Oh is there none in her space?

Rapitor

i think it's none in controlled system, and reduced in exploited

Unionhawk

Nice

The Duvals seem to have their shit together on the not-corrupt front

Rapitor

18:25

docs.google.com/presentation/d/…

actualy... Torval is all mining

Unionhawk

Oh right, the mining lance

Rapitor

well then. "Torval is a horrible twisted old lady, We have no beggars or people going hungry on the streets as they are down her mines working their fingers to the bone, starving in private!" - Aisling

that explains that.

Unionhawk

Yes

She's about mining and slavery

yey

define "security" - what?

Oh, security for the systems

Got it

Yuuki

18:41

I kinda wanna join her just because she named her NGO "Stop Slavery, Stupid".

Comma is there at my discretion.

Also, Mahon looks pretty spiffy for a 114 year old.

Unionhawk

Mahon looks like a chump

I would have put him at 30s

It's the year 3301

Aisling is the only one who's really young

Patreus is kind of young I guess

He's 40

Yuuki

You would not expect Mahon to be only 10 years younger than Torval judging from their pictures though.

Torval must've really let herself go when she hit 115.

Tim Stone

The hell is a trinket of hidden fortune?

Unionhawk

Who?

Tim Stone

It's a prohibited item at this starport

Yuuki

18:48

@Unionhawk Y'know... Star-Lord.

Legendary outlaw?

Unionhawk

Well do you have one?

Tim Stone

I do not

Unionhawk

Then don't worry about it

Tim Stone

u

Unionhawk

I'm already not worried

Tim Stone

18:50

> This container appears to hold an assorted collection of low-value trinkets, knick-knacks and statuettes. Such trinkets are generally used by superstitious pilots to try and win favour with the lady Fortuna. However, these particular knick-knacks have a much more valuable prize hidden within.

Unionhawk

Of the Empire powers, the Duvals seem the least sociopathic

Rapitor

pretty much

Unionhawk

Hudson is a little...

Out there

Only a little

Rapitor

I don't think Aisling's "angels" would be on board for an alliance to get at least one of the crazies out of the way. especially with all this hooplah with Cartoi.

Unionhawk

I mean, this is their fault

They pumped so much in a system right in our face

It's actually kind of hilarious and sad

Rapitor

18:55

the reddit seems to be leaning towards "we need need to focus on hudson", but we can't do that and deal with the infighting at the same time.

Yuuki

@Rapitor Eh, hopefully everyone has learned from Cartoi and are now focusing on those Federation scumbags.

Unionhawk

Cartoi is FUBAR

And I think everyone recognizes it

Patreus has been focusing Hudson hardcore

Rapitor

both Hudson and Winters seems to like Aisling, as she shares their ideals (slavery bad, etc).

Unionhawk

Sure

Arissa's ideals go hard against federation. Federal corruption is rampant.

It's almost like they modeled the federation after the US/UK

Rapitor

they did, probably. i mean they even share the party system (hudson is republican and winters is liberal)

Yuuki

19:03

And the Empire is kinda corrupt, has royalty, and uses slaves... So the Middle East?

Saudi Arabia/Jordan?

Rapitor

literally the roman empire

Yuuki

I don't see it.

They have nothing in common.

</sarcasm>

Unionhawk

Yeah, more like they modeled their society on Rome or something to that effect.

Since their lore is they wanted to create their own society with blackjack and hookers

Tim Stone

Oh, I'm a Marquis again somehow

Unionhawk

So... they did

They brought some cards and some hookers on some ships and set off to find their new homeworld, and found achenar

I guess it doesn't quite go like that, but close enough

Rapitor

19:05

and the glorious blue star.

Unionhawk

Oh yes

Oh baby

Achenar is a cool system

Blue stars best stars

Red/Orange (super?)giants are also neat

Rapitor

red/orange are too common

whites are neat

dwarves are jerks

Tim Stone

Betelgeuse is pretty nifty

Because it's so huge

Unionhawk

@Rapitor I mean huge stars, in particular

Rapitor

i haven't visited betelgeuse yet... i should get on that

Unionhawk

19:07

There are only a few

Rapitor

20:02

we should... we should try undermining hudson's HQ.

if its possible

Unionhawk

Do you have a Sol permit?

Rapitor

yes, is Sol his HQ?

Unionhawk

Think so

He's the president, after all

He probably lives on Earth or Mars

Yuuki

Hmm... how big is the Elite: Dangerous install?

Rapitor

nope, he's in Nanomam.

Unionhawk

20:04

System reqs say 7 GB, that doesn't seem right, but it could be, I don't know

@Rapitor The president is not in the capital?

Hwat?

Rapitor

that's just his power HQ and not his home?

iunno

Tim Stone

My install folder is 5.6 GB, fwiw

Yuuki

I have 20G free on my Mac, was thinking about installing the Mac client.

Rapitor

plus Sol is already plenty undermined i think.

Unionhawk

Undermine it more wheeee

I think Patreus is really going hardcore on the undermine Hudson train

Rapitor

20:06

undermining passed the fortify threshold is really difficult.

Unionhawk

So undermine has to beat fortify to cancel fortify?

Rapitor

no, undermine reaches threshold to cancel fortify, undermine is greater than fortify to raise upkeep cost a lot.

Unionhawk

Oh, so if undermine beats fortify it completely negates fortify and the full undermine effect happens. Got it.

Rapitor

a good strategy would be to just wait until the end of the cycle and undermine hard, they won't be able to react in time.

the next cycle is going to be a giant party

Unionhawk

It'd have to be like, fully coordinated

Rapitor

20:09

people will be able to haul more than 10 stuff. a lot of expansion going on.

Unionhawk

I don't even know what the anti-Hudson is. Breaking laws?

Rapitor

what to undermine him? just kill his marked transport ships

Unionhawk

Ooo

Not even pirate them, kill

I like

I assume is murder though

But I'm an enemy anyway so it doesn't matter

Rapitor

empire vs empire is pirate, empire vs others is kill.

Unionhawk

Do I need a cargo scanner, or just kill federal agents?

Rapitor

20:11

not sure. the video guide just says kill em.

Unionhawk

Hmm

I guess I can watch Bangfish do it. Like I said, they apparently went on a rampage in Hudson's HQ

So hopefully he gets knocked down a peg or two bringing up even Winters

Since Winters is probably not a sociopath

That's how I decide who I like

If they are sociopathic, then they are my enemy

Rapitor

winters seems pretty much just like Aisling.

Unionhawk

And it fits with Arissa because she's just anti-corruption

Rapitor

we are the shield of justice, and have imperial hammers. it's pretty neat.

Unionhawk

Yes

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Tim Stone

20:23

Really Frontier?

Unionhawk

Who did you attack?

Tim Stone

How the hell is killing a system security vessel in Patreus' controlled system considered "one of our own"?

Rapitor

I told you. wait.. no i told @Unionhawk.

he's still one of our own, empire

Unionhawk

Yeah, they don't want infighting

Tim Stone

That is incredibly stupid

Unionhawk

20:24

No u

Rapitor

not really.

Tim Stone

I have to attack a non-wanted ship to collect Patreus' stuff and then when his system security comes after me I'm at fault for not wanting to let them kill me.

Why is that a dynamic?

Rapitor

you aren't supposed to attack them...

Tim Stone

How else was I going to get the cargo?

Rapitor

what cargo? to undermine?

Unionhawk

20:25

Did you ask nicely?

Tim Stone

Yes

Unionhawk

How did that go?

Tim Stone

Not well, obviously. :P

Yuuki

Did you ask meanly?

Unionhawk

I mean, you're already wanted at that point do it doesn't matter

@Yuuki Clearly

Rapitor

20:26

piracy is still ilegal... you have to deal with system security regardless

same goes for if/when we undermine hudson. killing his stuff will attract big bounties.

Tim Stone

That's what I'm saying! If you want me to do that then don't get upset when I handle the consequences.

Rapitor

i thought it was if you fight back, as in defense. you aren't penalized the merits. not the case?

Tim Stone

The security definitely attacked me first

Rapitor

hm... that would explain why undermine score is so low across the board. it's a pain in the ass to do.

Unionhawk

ugh

that's annoying

I'ma just... nav beacon

Except don't do it in a control system; security is up 20% in control systems, so crime is down etc

Rapitor

20:30

yeah. hopefully FD will address that once they realize nobody is really undermining

you have to undermine in control

Tim Stone

20:46

This planet is called Stapled Peacock Flesh. Alright then.

Unionhawk

I assume killing enemy ships is always points, yes?

Or just fed and alliance enemy ships?

Tim Stone

I just killed a few enemy ships and got nothing

I have no idea how this crap works

Unionhawk

I need Scott Manley to explain power play to me

Pls

Rapitor

21:07

If i can figure it out you guys can...

Tim Stone

21:20

People idling on the pad piss me off

Finally, god

Stack Exchange

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Q: How can I get merit points?

I want to advance in the ranks of Senator Lavigny-Duval. How can I get merit points? I know I can participate in expansion goals, but is there a better way than that?

elite-dangerous

Unionhawk

@StackExchange TEACH ME WISE ONE

Rapitor

22:37

Ok so. it is possible to undermine Empire without pissing anyone off. neat

the transport ship must be unshielded. all you have to do is fire the hatch breaker, loot the stuff. and get the hell out.

no bountys, the only one upset is the transport, which hopefully your shields can hold

Tim Stone

I suspected as much, it's just tedious. Especially given that I don't have a hatch breaker at the moment (I was just messing around to see how it worked).

Ridiculous part was it was a Type 9 and it dropped 1! canister.

Rapitor

if you don't have a htach breaker then undermine a non-empire. that's just kill em

all of them will only drop 1

Tim Stone

A whole 1 merit, whoopdido.

That is incredibly dumb, heh.

Rapitor

but that 1 cannister should be worth 15

Tim Stone

No, it's worth 1.

Rapitor

22:40

oh. well then.

Tim Stone

Yeah

._.;

If it was worth 15 then I'd be okay with it, but.

Non-empire it is!

Rapitor

go bother the little independant guys

Unionhawk

Ooo... Good idea!

Tim Stone

The one guy is literally a pirate lord so no reason to feel bad about that

Unionhawk

Yeah fuck that guy

... Can NPCs pack the special module?

I kind of don't want to fight against that guy's module

Tim Stone

22:51

What's his module?

Unionhawk

(massive shield damage but no hull damage)

Tim Stone

Ahh

Unionhawk

Massive shield damage is all I need to know

Winters' module also sounds scary (laser that causes module malfunction)

Tim Stone

… D:

SHE DID IT

Unionhawk

Did you have an immediate thruster malfunction one time?

Thruster malfunction is fucking scary

Tim Stone

22:54

No, she destroyed Starship One with her fancy-pants module.

We've been blind this whole time!

Unionhawk

OH SHIT

I'd imagine it only works with shields down, so...

The feds kind of scare me now that they have a powerful president

Halsey was so weak

"Oh, well the admiral controls the Navy blame him"

Unionhawk

23:22

Damn

Interdicting enemies is fun

Rapitor

yeah it is

alliance enforcer in an imperial clipper attacked me. wat

Tim Stone

23:44

I jumped into an Imperial Navy convoy with federal dropships earlier

Silliness

Rapitor

FD could put a little bit more effort into making this stuff believable i think...

Unionhawk

They're double agents

Deal with it

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