Oh wait, Torval is also a power, I have to be more specific don't I

Actually I think it might be between us and Patreus

I see

The controlling system is Wong Guin

Ngaiawang is right outside our bubble in Wong Guin's sphere of influence

So, exploited systems are systems within like, 20 LY of a control system. If a system falls within the exploitation radius of 2 control systems, it is contested

15.

15

Right

Knew that

I think if it's contested, niether power gets the CC from it.

Probably

The people on Patreus' side frighten me

He's a loose cannon

They're all loose cannons

if anything Torval frightens me more. I don't even know what they are about.

Torval wants to turn unregulated slaves into her slaves, claiming she's making them imperial slaves

As I understand though, you like, sign up to be an imperial slave. It's indentured service.

isn't that kind of what Arissa is doing? we prefer imperial slaves

So her taking possession of slaves is just her taking slaves.

You don't sign up to work for torval, you're "liberated" and then you work for Torval

oh.

that would explain why to undermine her our objective is to rescue people then.

Her intentions sound noble but it's actually pretty fuct

Like, she goes on about how she's freeing unregulated slaves, but all she's doing is making unregulated slaves work for her under the guise of making them legal

well, she's for slavery at least. She's definitely allied to Patreus (remember reading it on her power page somewhere), so if her players want to keep to her lore, they'd be focusing on undermining Aisling.

i think anyway

She's against Aisling, for sure

Since she's an abolitionist

Arissa has kind of sidestepped the whole slavery issue so far

Torval likes the black market and other shady things, which Arissa despises.

Ya

(we get -20% black market)

and black markets are straight up shut down.

Oh is there none in her space?

i think it's none in controlled system, and reduced in exploited

Nice

The Duvals seem to have their shit together on the not-corrupt front

docs.google.com/presentation/d/…

actualy... Torval is all mining

Oh right, the mining lance

well then. "Torval is a horrible twisted old lady, We have no beggars or people going hungry on the streets as they are down her mines working their fingers to the bone, starving in private!" - Aisling

that explains that.

Yes

She's about mining and slavery

yey

define "security" - what?

Oh, security for the systems

Got it

I kinda wanna join her just because she named her NGO "Stop Slavery, Stupid".

Comma is there at my discretion.

Also, Mahon looks pretty spiffy for a 114 year old.

Mahon looks like a chump

I would have put him at 30s

It's the year 3301

Aisling is the only one who's really young

Patreus is kind of young I guess

He's 40

You would not expect Mahon to be only 10 years younger than Torval judging from their pictures though.

Torval must've really let herself go when she hit 115.

The hell is a trinket of hidden fortune?

Who?

It's a prohibited item at this starport

@Unionhawk Y'know... Star-Lord.

Legendary outlaw?

Well do you have one?

I do not

Then don't worry about it

u

I'm already not worried

> This container appears to hold an assorted collection of low-value trinkets, knick-knacks and statuettes. Such trinkets are generally used by superstitious pilots to try and win favour with the lady Fortuna. However, these particular knick-knacks have a much more valuable prize hidden within.

Of the Empire powers, the Duvals seem the least sociopathic

pretty much

Hudson is a little...

Out there

Only a little

I don't think Aisling's "angels" would be on board for an alliance to get at least one of the crazies out of the way. especially with all this hooplah with Cartoi.

I mean, this is their fault

They pumped so much in a system right in our face

It's actually kind of hilarious and sad

the reddit seems to be leaning towards "we need need to focus on hudson", but we can't do that and deal with the infighting at the same time.

@Rapitor Eh, hopefully everyone has learned from Cartoi and are now focusing on those Federation scumbags.

Cartoi is FUBAR

And I think everyone recognizes it

Patreus has been focusing Hudson hardcore

both Hudson and Winters seems to like Aisling, as she shares their ideals (slavery bad, etc).

Sure

Arissa's ideals go hard against federation. Federal corruption is rampant.

It's almost like they modeled the federation after the US/UK

they did, probably. i mean they even share the party system (hudson is republican and winters is liberal)

And the Empire is kinda corrupt, has royalty, and uses slaves... So the Middle East?

Saudi Arabia/Jordan?

literally the roman empire

I don't see it.

They have nothing in common.

</sarcasm>

Yeah, more like they modeled their society on Rome or something to that effect.

Since their lore is they wanted to create their own society with blackjack and hookers

Oh, I'm a Marquis again somehow

So... they did

They brought some cards and some hookers on some ships and set off to find their new homeworld, and found achenar

I guess it doesn't quite go like that, but close enough

and the glorious blue star.

Oh yes

Oh baby

Achenar is a cool system

Blue stars best stars

Red/Orange (super?)giants are also neat

red/orange are too common

whites are neat

dwarves are jerks

Betelgeuse is pretty nifty

Because it's so huge

@Rapitor I mean huge stars, in particular

i haven't visited betelgeuse yet... i should get on that

There are only a few

we should... we should try undermining hudson's HQ.

if its possible

Do you have a Sol permit?

yes, is Sol his HQ?

Think so

He's the president, after all

He probably lives on Earth or Mars

Hmm... how big is the Elite: Dangerous install?

nope, he's in Nanomam.

System reqs say 7 GB, that doesn't seem right, but it could be, I don't know

@Rapitor The president is not in the capital?

Hwat?

that's just his power HQ and not his home?

iunno

My install folder is 5.6 GB, fwiw

I have 20G free on my Mac, was thinking about installing the Mac client.

plus Sol is already plenty undermined i think.

Undermine it more wheeee

I think Patreus is really going hardcore on the undermine Hudson train

undermining passed the fortify threshold is really difficult.

So undermine has to beat fortify to cancel fortify?

no, undermine reaches threshold to cancel fortify, undermine is greater than fortify to raise upkeep cost a lot.

Oh, so if undermine beats fortify it completely negates fortify and the full undermine effect happens. Got it.

a good strategy would be to just wait until the end of the cycle and undermine hard, they won't be able to react in time.

the next cycle is going to be a giant party

It'd have to be like, fully coordinated

people will be able to haul more than 10 stuff. a lot of expansion going on.

I don't even know what the anti-Hudson is. Breaking laws?

what to undermine him? just kill his marked transport ships

Ooo

Not even pirate them, kill

I like

I assume is murder though

But I'm an enemy anyway so it doesn't matter

empire vs empire is pirate, empire vs others is kill.

Do I need a cargo scanner, or just kill federal agents?

not sure. the video guide just says kill em.

Hmm

I guess I can watch Bangfish do it. Like I said, they apparently went on a rampage in Hudson's HQ

So hopefully he gets knocked down a peg or two bringing up even Winters

Since Winters is probably not a sociopath

That's how I decide who I like

If they are sociopathic, then they are my enemy

winters seems pretty much just like Aisling.

And it fits with Arissa because she's just anti-corruption

we are the shield of justice, and have imperial hammers. it's pretty neat.

Yes

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Really Frontier?

Who did you attack?

How the hell is killing a system security vessel in Patreus' controlled system considered "one of our own"?

I told you. wait.. no i told @Unionhawk.

he's still one of our own, empire

Yeah, they don't want infighting

That is incredibly stupid

No u

not really.

I have to attack a non-wanted ship to collect Patreus' stuff and then when his system security comes after me I'm at fault for not wanting to let them kill me.

Why is that a dynamic?

you aren't supposed to attack them...

How else was I going to get the cargo?

what cargo? to undermine?

Did you ask nicely?

Yes

How did that go?

Not well, obviously. :P

Did you ask meanly?

I mean, you're already wanted at that point do it doesn't matter

@Yuuki Clearly

piracy is still ilegal... you have to deal with system security regardless

same goes for if/when we undermine hudson. killing his stuff will attract big bounties.

That's what I'm saying! If you want me to do that then don't get upset when I handle the consequences.

i thought it was if you fight back, as in defense. you aren't penalized the merits. not the case?

The security definitely attacked me first

hm... that would explain why undermine score is so low across the board. it's a pain in the ass to do.

ugh

that's annoying

I'ma just... nav beacon

Except don't do it in a control system; security is up 20% in control systems, so crime is down etc

yeah. hopefully FD will address that once they realize nobody is really undermining

you have to undermine in control

This planet is called Stapled Peacock Flesh. Alright then.

I assume killing enemy ships is always points, yes?

Or just fed and alliance enemy ships?

I just killed a few enemy ships and got nothing

I have no idea how this crap works

I need Scott Manley to explain power play to me

Pls

If i can figure it out you guys can...

People idling on the pad piss me off

Finally, god

@StackExchange TEACH ME WISE ONE

Ok so. it is possible to undermine Empire without pissing anyone off. neat

the transport ship must be unshielded. all you have to do is fire the hatch breaker, loot the stuff. and get the hell out.

no bountys, the only one upset is the transport, which hopefully your shields can hold

I suspected as much, it's just tedious. Especially given that I don't have a hatch breaker at the moment (I was just messing around to see how it worked).

Ridiculous part was it was a Type 9 and it dropped 1! canister.

if you don't have a htach breaker then undermine a non-empire. that's just kill em

all of them will only drop 1

A whole 1 merit, whoopdido.

That is incredibly dumb, heh.

but that 1 cannister should be worth 15

No, it's worth 1.

oh. well then.

Yeah

._.;

If it was worth 15 then I'd be okay with it, but.

Non-empire it is!

go bother the little independant guys

Ooo... Good idea!

The one guy is literally a pirate lord so no reason to feel bad about that

Yeah fuck that guy

... Can NPCs pack the special module?

I kind of don't want to fight against that guy's module

What's his module?

(massive shield damage but no hull damage)

Ahh

Massive shield damage is all I need to know

Winters' module also sounds scary (laser that causes module malfunction)

… D:

SHE DID IT

Did you have an immediate thruster malfunction one time?

Thruster malfunction is fucking scary

No, she destroyed Starship One with her fancy-pants module.

We've been blind this whole time!

OH SHIT

I'd imagine it only works with shields down, so...

The feds kind of scare me now that they have a powerful president

Halsey was so weak

"Oh, well the admiral controls the Navy blame him"

Damn

Interdicting enemies is fun

yeah it is

alliance enforcer in an imperial clipper attacked me. wat

I jumped into an Imperial Navy convoy with federal dropships earlier

Silliness

FD could put a little bit more effort into making this stuff believable i think...

They're double agents

Deal with it