PPCG Minecraft Server

ConfusedMr_C

01:20

36864 blocks for the base alone

let's go back to the nether

quartata

01:43

Attention Peons: We're a building a giant computer with a brainfuck interpreter. If you like that sort of stuff come help us build it

Ask VTC for details

VTCAKAVSMoACE

02:00

Okay. So.

PhiNotPi

My idea: transport-triggered architecture, it's a one-instruction set design.

I've also made a complete functional TTA CPU in logisim.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Our computer would be ASIP.

Logisim?

Downloading now. :P

ConfusedMr_C

Same here :#

:3

PhiNotPi

Hold on a sec, while I find the file....

ConfusedMr_C

ok

Calvin's Hobbies

02:04

We could find a preexisting plans for an OISC/TTA and just translate it to redstone. Might be more reliable than designing things from scratch ourselves.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

But not as fun. :P

Calvin's Hobbies

(But I have no strong opinions either way, I'm focusing on witch farm and may not help much otherwise)

VTCAKAVSMoACE

I had to redownload Java 6. :I

@PhiNotPi Is this a translated to MC copy or is it just the CPU itself?

ConfusedMr_C

gonna log

bai all

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Bai!

PhiNotPi

02:09

This is a general overview of the processor. Not translated to MC at all.

The basic idea of a TTA processor is this: each command is MOV

VTCAKAVSMoACE

64KB RAM?!

PhiNotPi

We can tone that down.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Oh, good. I was hoping that wasn't mandatory.

PhiNotPi

Most memory cells are normal

VTCAKAVSMoACE

I have Logisim, you can just pass the file, right?

PhiNotPi

02:12

when you read, you get what was written

some cells are special, their contents are rerouted through additional logic when you read from them

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Yeah, that makes sense. I agree with your system choice.

Okay... so, from what I see, this shouldn't be too hard (if tedious) to replicate, no?

PhiNotPi

I'm trying to see how to pass the file

And how I got it to work

VTCAKAVSMoACE

02:31

Do you want to email it to me?

PhiNotPi

sure

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Deletion in 3 seconds.

PhiNotPi

sorry, wasn't even paying attention

Calvin's Hobbies

Can you send to [email protected] too?

The I could probably put it on the website

Portal to witch hut: -46, 97, 401 (nether coords)

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Woo!

Okay. I must sleep.

Minecraft - How To Make a Witch Farm

►

Night all.

Calvin's Hobbies

02:47

@PhiNotPi Yeah, I can put any files on the website if you're ok with that

PhiNotPi

@Calvin'sHobbies I lost/never had documentation for my CPU design, so I'm reverse-engineering it

:(

quartata

What did I miss?

Calvin's Hobbies

52 secs ago, by PhiNotPi

:(

quartata

I mean how much construction did I miss?

Calvin's Hobbies

none

quartata

02:53

Oh good

btw I have built several witch farms in survival before so I can help with that if needed

PhiNotPi

Okay, so I have one of my versions of the CPU working

quartata

Fully automatic ones can be done with wolves+looting swords but for our purposes just a simple crusher + splash potion looting sword would be good.

@PhiNotPi noice

PhiNotPi

03:08

@Calvin'sHobbies got the email?

Calvin's Hobbies

No

PhiNotPi

how about now?

check your spam?

Calvin's Hobbies

yes

quartata

Gmail does graylisting right?

Probably just that

PhiNotPi

What kinds of operations will we need our CPU to have?

Calvin's Hobbies

03:14

Ok. Anyone can download a zip of the stuff @PhiNotPi sent me at ppcgmc.herokuapp.com/stuff.zip

3

PhiNotPi

What are we going to do now?

@Calvin'sHobbies

quartata

Pick a time tomorrow when everyone will be around and start working on it

Redstone will definitely be a problem. How much does everyone have?

me: 0

PhiNotPi

I have a couple stacks

quartata

@PhiNotPi at minimum add subtract multiply divide compare and jump. That is enough to build basic stuff

PhiNotPi

plus whatever I brought to the nether

which other people may or may not have logged out with

quartata

03:27

We will probably need the witch farm and a redstone villager

PhiNotPi

there's 6 stacks in the nether right now

we can do the math as to how much we need for each bit

quartata

Each bit needs about a quarter stack I think.

We will need 8 stacks for a word

PhiNotPi

well, then we need to find something more efficient

quartata

That is just my guesstimate.

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata If some witch farm videos are correct then they could produce ~900 redstone per hour.

quartata

03:31

^

Thats two words an hour.

PhiNotPi

that's still too slow in my opinion

Calvin's Hobbies

e.g. this claims 7300 items/hr, 1/8 of which will be redstone

quartata

I can use AMIDST to fine more huts

Calvin's Hobbies

@PhiNotPi But it's afk. Just stand by the farm logged in overnight.

quartata

We can build a whole bunch and use hopper chunkloaders + a minecart line to move he redstone to the site

PhiNotPi

03:34

the current memory requires about 19 redstone / bit

quartata

No Afk needed. If we use wolves plus a looting sword wed get more items too.

PhiNotPi

which is probably better than any redstone-block-based method, which is 9 redstone per block + everything else

quartata

How much does Looting 3 add to drops again?

And where can we get wolves?

Calvin's Hobbies

> Increases maximum loot drop by +1 per level.

afk farms are wayyy more convenient IMO

PhiNotPi

on average, looting III -> 1.5 more items per drop

quartata

03:40

Sure this would be harder to build but itll be fully automatic. Itll run even if no one is around.

Two of them will let us build 5 words an hour.

Wait der sorry 4 words

PhiNotPi

I personally think we should do smaller words

quartata

Still good.

Do 2 byte ones?

Just how much memory are we looking to have, optimally?

PhiNotPi

your rate of 4 words/hour was for 32-bit?

quartata

Yes.

4.28 to be precise.

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata How? Mobs can only spawn when players are nearby. Even if the chunks are loaded.

quartata

03:46

Oh. right.

Still can produce 1300 if someone afks with a looting sword in hand.

PhiNotPi

My example program to calculate primes was <100 words long

Maybe, we can redesign part of the architecture.

quartata

So that is 25 hours of work to make the RAM. No time at all.

PhiNotPi

Each instruction, in my design, is two words long. One word for the MOV source and one word for the destination.

We can combine those both into a single word.

So, 32-bit words, with 16-bit addresses

And the prime program is <50 words long

quartata

Hmm

Say does anyone have an alt MC account? We could use that as the player for the mob spawns, and regular hopper chunkloader for the minecart line.

PhiNotPi

Someone did, at one point.

quartata

03:52

I am guessing not but worth asking

Also dont forget one emerald = 2-4 redstone with villagers

PhiNotPi

probably not worth the time to get the emeralds

quartata

No but if someone has stacks of emeralds around they could be easily turned into a free word

So I need Logisim to look at this design right?

PhiNotPi

04:10

Yes

quartata

kk I'm going to go to sleep and take a look at it tomorrow.

Anonymous

09:15

I volunteer to afk at the witch farm

Anonymous

I can also use my gf's minecraft account, she barely uses it anymore

VTCAKAVSMoACE

15:25

That would be super-helpful if we can just set up a permanent afk player at the witch farm.

ConfusedMr_C

15:41

I have my friend's account (and password, for some reason) but my lowly laptop doesn't want to run two copies of MC.

I might be able to use my server computer for it though

Anonymous

I have a desktop and a laptop, so it's no issue

ConfusedMr_C

ok

Hey, @Calvin, does BisectHosting allow for a server-icon.png?

We could take a 64x64 PCG icon and put it there

Calvin's Hobbies

@ConfusedMr_C I don't think so

ConfusedMr_C

Dang.

Calvin's Hobbies

Though maybe, I'll look into it

ConfusedMr_C

15:44

ok

Anonymous

Is the witch farm actually set up right now?

Calvin's Hobbies

No. It needs to be built

@ConfusedMr_C Happen to have a a 64x64 version? (the favicon is 16x16)

ConfusedMr_C

Uh, no.

Wait, really?

Calvin's Hobbies

Or @PhiNotPi could make us an icon like he did the chatbots

Anonymous

Got a link for the 16x16? I can upscale it

Anonymous

15:51

Oh nvm it's right there

ConfusedMr_C

:P

Anonymous

cdn.sstatic.net/codegolf/img/favicon.ico?v=ca

Anonymous

32x2

Anonymous

I'll bump it to 64x64

Calvin's Hobbies

its ok

@ConfusedMr_C I'ma restart server to see if the image works, ok?

ConfusedMr_C

15:55

ok

Yup.

Worked.

Anonymous

Oh

Anonymous

Right as I finish the 64x64

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego I know how to upscale too :P

But I'd still prefer a proper quality 64x64

VTCAKAVSMoACE

What's the font type?

ConfusedMr_C

16:08

There it goes

@Calvin, I lost some items from the restart

can I get them back?

Anonymous

@PhiNotPi Is that a tower of pimps on your plateau?

PhiNotPi

@Mego Yes it is.

Anonymous

Very nice

Anonymous

Tippy-top

Calvin's Hobbies

@ConfusedMr_C Strange. What'd you lose?

Anonymous

16:11

New long-term goal: create a noteblock array that plays the TOP song

ConfusedMr_C

I was in an anvil, it was an iron axe and an Efficiency III sharpness III book

TheDoctor

HI

ConfusedMr_C

Hey :

:3

Calvin's Hobbies

@ConfusedMr_C I'll give you the book (and the axe if you really don't have a spare)

ConfusedMr_C

I have lots of iron in enderchest

thanks :3

PhiNotPi

16:13

print ::greeting->hi();
package greeting;
sub hi {
    "Good day to you, fine sir!\n"
}

Calvin's Hobbies

one min

TheDoctor

is there a way to link this to MC chat?

Calvin's Hobbies

Not easily

But the MC chat is linked here (when I have it on)

ConfusedMr_C

@Phi xD

TheDoctor

Couldn't you simply modify an IRC plugin to use a SE chatbot library?

ConfusedMr_C

16:15

I don't think MC is IRC

Anonymous

It's not

Anonymous

Though you could run a bot on the server

TheDoctor

@Calvin'sHobbies you should add me at some point: DogetorHue

Calvin's Hobbies

@TheDoctor You've been added. Welcome!

TheDoctor

thanks!

Anonymous

16:22

@Calvin'sHobbies Do we have a gold farm? If so, where is it?

Calvin's Hobbies

On the nether roof, right near where they were starting the computer

TheDoctor

just a note: I don't play very often. I read the rules, and it talked a lot about destroying stuff...

Calvin's Hobbies

(Though it's pretty slow)

Anonymous

Which nether portal should I take to get to it?

Calvin's Hobbies

@TheDoctor Yeah. Don't go doing that.

TheDoctor

16:24

but i meant about inactivity

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego The one on top of the mountain between spawn and phi's plateau

Anonymous

Mmkay

Calvin's Hobbies

But you still need to enderpearl thru the nether roof

@TheDoctor I wouldn't worry about that. Some people have been inactive for months but their stuff is still untouched

TheDoctor

ok good

someone should fill the nether with pumpkins

for halloween

better make them jack-o-lanterns

Calvin's Hobbies

Oct 9 at 2:26, by Ethan Bierlein

The spawn has already been pumpkified

Anonymous

16:33

I should wear a pumpkin on my head to match my avatar

TheDoctor

lol but i can't see that image since i'm at school

Anonymous

Maybe just edit my char

TheDoctor

@Mego yes

Calvin's Hobbies

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ConfusedMr_C

It seems that the wheat harvesting villager has died/escaped.

Calvin's Hobbies

16:41

Yeah :/

ConfusedMr_C

:/

Calvin's Hobbies

We can transport another one over there, it's just kinda tricky

VTCAKAVSMoACE

I've been harvesting whhhheat anyways.

Rainbolt

16:59

@VTCAKAVSMoACE Is the pretty wheat farm still around?

PhiNotPi

@Rainbolt Yes, although somebody blazed a trail right through it.

Rainbolt

wrong room...

Anonymous

shame ding

Anonymous

17:18

Anonymous

Who is responsible for this?

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego Are you annoyed because the rest of the tree is now inaccessible or because it was the tree of power?

(and it might have been me)

Anonymous

Because it was the tree of power!

Calvin's Hobbies

I'll repair it with some cobble

quartata

@PhiNotPi Crap, am I missing any construction?

I'm trying to get Logisim working

Anonymous

17:29

I lag horrifically on restarts, so I wanted to be somewhere relatively safe

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego kk. I just wanted to add the fancier icon. Should be good for now

Still too "busy" though

Anonymous

Looks good to me

Calvin's Hobbies

I'm considering allowing the breaking of one piece of bedrock on the nether roof so we can get up there easier. Any thoughts? Opinions?

I'll do it if the majority of current users say yes.

@VTCAKAVSMoACE @Mego @AlexA. @PhiNotPi @quartata @ConfusedMr_C

Anonymous

+1

VTCAKAVSMoACE

+1

PhiNotPi

17:49

sqrt(1)

Anonymous

floor(sqrt(2))

PhiNotPi

floor(sqrt(3))

@quartata You left. :(

Anonymous

@quartata come vote so we can computer easier

Anonymous

I'll reiterate what I said in MC chat: I'm for anything that makes something we can already do easier.

Anonymous

We can already easily get to the Nether roof, so punching a hole in it doesn't make a big difference

Calvin's Hobbies

18:03

Yeah. I +1 too which I'll call a majority.

PhiNotPi

Calvin's vote = majority

Calvin's Hobbies

I'll be on in a bit to go do it. How about you guys choose the one block to break away?

Anonymous

As a counterexample, collecting diamonds is not something we can do as easily/readily. So I would be against filling the Nether roof with double chests full of diamond stacks.

Anonymous

How about the block we ender pearl through now?

Calvin's Hobbies

Sure. Just in case there's a better place

Anonymous

18:08

I can't imagine what would constitute a "better place". That one's convenient, and breaking it would be the absolute minimum change from our current method.

PhiNotPi

by the way, we've actually been teleporting our way through 2 bedrock blocks

quartata

18:29

If this was SP I'd suggest an ender pearl teleporter but those don't work so good in MP

We'd need one teleporter for each user :P

TheDoctor

I'm very interested to see this

quartata

?

Oh the computer? Yeah it'll be nice.

Do some code golf with it.

TheDoctor

some day i'll submit a solution in golfed redstone

quartata

The main issue is getting it to satisfy our concept of being a programming language.

The transformational model is the hardest part.

(ironically)

TheDoctor

or JvN life

stdIO would be hard unless you had command blocks

quartata

18:36

"STDIO" is a murky concept

PhiNotPi

STDIO could be handled by an interrupt of some sort

TheDoctor

in MC?

quartata

@VTCAKAVSMoACE I'm probably not going to be able to be on until 3 or so. Can you count how many chunks it is out to the build site so I know how many hoppers I'll need in advance?

@TheDoctor He means in our CPU design.

We aren't going to really have "STDIO"

TheDoctor

or pistons that rearrange blocks

quartata

Do not try to bend the STDIO

TheDoctor

18:38

Want help?

PhiNotPi

@quartata 3 in what time zone?

TheDoctor

rather, how many hours from now?

quartata

@PhiNotPi pst

TheDoctor

I wonder how you could stack lamps right next to each other and power them independently

quartata

Redstone blocks.

PhiNotPi

18:45

Here's the basic concept of my processor idea.

It is transport-triggered architecture, so every instruction is of the type MOV

quartata

@PhiNotPi :3

PhiNotPi

It means that the I/O for addition/etc. units share address space with RAM

There is a central clock, which sends out pulses to control the flow of information

basically, the "update" triggers for a bunch of latches

TheDoctor

How fast will the clock be? I assume, since its a server, it'll have to be pretty slow

PhiNotPi

order of pulses, repeating
1) RAM address set to 0 (the instruction pointer address)
2) read RAM and store 32-bit word in 2 16-bit registers, regA and regB
3) RAM address set to RegA
4) read from RAM and store in RAM write input
5) RAM address set to RegB
6) pulse RAM write-enable line

Server speed will not be the limiting factor

TheDoctor

I'm very curious about how ram will work though

pistons and redstone blocks?

PhiNotPi

18:55

The limiting factor is the speed of redstone current

Likely locking repeaters in the design we built yesterday

our limited resource is redstone, so redstone blocks are probably inefficient

Anonymous

We could do I/O like in the olden days

Anonymous

Input is levers, output is lamps

PhiNotPi

from the CPU's perspective, that's all that I/O ever is

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