PPCG Minecraft Server

quartata

19:00

@PhiNotPi Yeah, locking repeaters would be the best

TheDoctor

Input is buttons, buffered into an HID driver circuit. Then the linux kernel running on the computer...

what data bus width will we use?

PhiNotPi

we were thinking 32-bit words, but that might be too much

Anonymous

"that might be too much" said nobody fun ever

quartata

I think we can make 32-bit words 16-bit addresses work

PhiNotPi

We also need to figure out how to program the thing

quartata

19:02

@Mego I was also toying with the idea of book-based output. Too difficult though...

Anonymous

If we use <32-bit words, how are we supposed to get the full Minecraft/Java-1.7/GNU/Linux stack working?

Calvin's Hobbies

book based?

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies Yeah.

Calvin's Hobbies

What's book based?

quartata

So we have some books named 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32...

Calvin's Hobbies

19:03

Oh

TheDoctor

@quartata that means 96 blocks wide for data + addr

Anonymous

Better idea

quartata

It wouldn't be as pretty though

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Output by block count?

Anonymous

We have our output be 8-bit memory cells

quartata

19:04

Actually we could do block count now that you can dispense pumpkins, right?

Anonymous

Displayed in a 4x2 redstone lamp array

quartata

Might work

@TheDoctor Yeah.

Not that bad.

Anonymous

Then all the instructions we need are +-<>.,[]

PhiNotPi

We could probably write our on OS for it

quartata

We need 50 words for the prime number one

Anonymous

19:05

We can call it MineF**k

TheDoctor

yes

VTCAKAVSMoACE

I had the same thought this morning.

quartata

@Mego We toyed with BF already but I think we decided not to

I personally like Phi's design better

PhiNotPi

not natively, at least

has anyone gotten the primes program to work in logisim?

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Mego 3 bits per instruction.

Anonymous

19:06

3 bits per instruction, acting in-place on 8-bit memory

Anonymous

Need more memory? <s>download it</s> make more 8-bit cells on the tape

PhiNotPi

Then we run into the problem of having tape and program memory

and the fact that it's literally BF

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Mego Use ---

TheDoctor

yeah program storage...

...

quartata

@PhiNotPi I got the circuit open in logisim

How exactly should I input the instructions?

Anonymous

19:09

My suggestions should typically be viewed as 80% humor

Anonymous

Though I do want to eventually create a native BF computer in minecraft

PhiNotPi

@quartata The program is contained in RAM, although you must load the RAM image I included

TheDoctor

bai

Anonymous

Bye Doc

PhiNotPi

such salutations

quartata

19:11

I'm really stupid. How do I load the RAM image?

@PhiNotPi You mean very salutations

PhiNotPi

try right clicking on the RAM block

quartata

Ah I see

PhiNotPi

and then, after you do that, you must set the program counter (the counter block underneath the RAM block) to 0010

quartata

What is its default value?

PhiNotPi

0000

quartata

19:14

Lot of different blocks

OK

PhiNotPi

it's the only counter near there

everything else next to it is a register of some other kind

connected to an AND block

@quartata found it?

Anonymous

PhiNotPi

yes

Anonymous

def picture(n):1000*word(n)

Anonymous

So, for theoretical Minecraft golfing

Anonymous

19:20

Score would be the number of blocks used, I suppose

Anonymous

So if a theoretical design used 5 redstone dust, 3 sticky pistons, 4 wool, and 2 redstone lamps, it would have a score of 21

Anonymous

Maybe not count the lamps since they're output, and input wouldn't count as well

PhiNotPi

@Mego have you gotten it to work?

Anonymous

I think?

Anonymous

It did stuff, I wasn't sure what it was doing

VTCAKAVSMoACE

19:26

Should we make a meta question for this for crowdsourcing work?

PhiNotPi

the output of the primes program is in the binary output bar thing in the very top right

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Or, another point, should we make a meta question to announce that we're doing this?

quartata

Yeah I found it. I'm not sure how to change the value of it though

Show Attributes doesn't have a value attribute

Just Max Value

PhiNotPi

use the finger-pointy tool, click it, and type

quartata

Alright, did that.

I'm not sure it really did anything though

I have never used this software so...

PhiNotPi

19:28

well, it's not running yet

so, RAM is loaded and counter is set?

quartata

Yes

PhiNotPi

Then go to simulate->ticks_enabled and simulate->simulation_enabled

make sure both of those are checked

quartata

I checked ticks enabled

PhiNotPi

is anything moving?

quartata

Yes

It's working

I see now

PhiNotPi

19:31

output is the binary number in the very top right, shown in the 3rd of 3 bars

quartata

Very cool

PhiNotPi

so that's it

there will be some important differences between that design and the MC one

Such as doing 16-bit addresses, so each instruction is a single word, not two

Although there are some advantages of having 2-word instructions, such as being able to overwrite 1/2 of the instruction with a new destination

which is how we would be able to retrieve stuff from arrays

we need to be able have the computer change its own instructions

PhiNotPi

20:01

order of pulses, repeating
1) RAM address (RegD) set to 0 (the instruction pointer address)
2) read RAM and store 32-bit word in 2 16-bit registers, regA and regB
3) RAM address set to RegA
4) read from RAM and store in RAM write input (RegC)
5) RAM address set to RegB
6) pulse RAM write-enable line
7) increment instruction pointer

so, there's 4 main registers involved

quartata

21:05

Great the authentication servers are down

Wait a second..

That's strange.

It says the multiplayer session servers are down but not the authentication server

Calvin's Hobbies

21:15

Which witch farm do we want? I'm leaning towards this one instead of this more popular one because that old one apparently uses glitches that will be fixed in 1.9.

quartata

I thought we were going to roll our own honestly

I was going to build it so it was just a spawning pad with water pushing them down into a drop that either has a lava blade or wolves on leashes with their owner holding a looting sword

Also can you connect to any servers right now?

Anonymous

Lava blade won't work because potions

quartata

@Mego The fall will bring them down to one health.

They won't have enough time to drink a potion of fire resistance

Anonymous

Or we just kill them with the fall

Anonymous

>=32 block drop = ded

quartata

21:21

The idea is that the lava blade is higher up than the bottom so that it can be turned on or off.

Without harming the wolves

Anonymous

Or we just kill them with the fall

Anonymous

They fall 32 or more blocks -> dead on impact

TheDoctor

hi

Anonymous

Hi Dogtor

quartata

But you can't change the fall to be a lethal one without harming the wolves

Anonymous

21:23

Why do we need wolves?

TheDoctor

wolves

Calvin's Hobbies

^

TheDoctor

?

Calvin's Hobbies

(dogs)

quartata

Because if their owner is holding a looting sword we'll get the additional loot drops

and XP if we want that

Anonymous

21:24

We don't need XP from witches, we have the ender farm

quartata

OK, but we still get additional drops which means more redstone

Anonymous

Or we just kill more of them

TheDoctor

why don't you have the wolves at the bottom?

quartata

@TheDoctor They are.

@Mego ...

Anonymous

2 hours ago, by Mego

My suggestions should typically be viewed as 80% humor

Anonymous

21:26

But seriously, it would be way simpler to just kill them with fall damage

TheDoctor

"failed to connect"

nvm

quartata

What would you rather have, 14 stacks of redstone an hour or 20 stacks?

Anonymous

With VTC's suggestion about keeping chunks loaded with hoppers, it can be pure AFK

quartata

Hey the authentication servers are back!

Anonymous

No need for anyone to stand near it

quartata

21:27

@Mego This is still pure AFK.

Calvin's Hobbies

Yes there is

Mobs only spawn near players

quartata

^

Anonymous

Oh right

quartata

@Mego Also this was my idea lel

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata Are you sure looting counts for dog kills?

Anonymous

21:27

I can't keep track

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies Pretty sure.

It should be no different from TNT

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata Have a source for that? It seems like a weird rule.

quartata

Trying it out right now.

Basically TNT kills from a flame bow and wolf kills count like player kills, and any kill gotten with a looting sword out applies the bonus

Calvin's Hobbies

But either way we could probably have a level that extends with pistons at 32 blocks (or w/e the almost kill limit is) and have a wolf/sword area there

Anonymous

32 is the kill number, so we'd want it to be 31

VTCAKAVSMoACE

21:33

@Mego This was not my idea. My idea was wrong. :D

Anonymous

Disregard me being dumb

Anonymous

As always

quartata

It appears to not work..

Why?

That is very strange.

It should.

The wolf shouldn't be different from splash potions or TNT.

Calvin's Hobbies

Why? I know minecraft is quirky but it makes sense that you only get looting if the sword actually strikes.

quartata

It works for splash potions and TNT though.

Like I just tried it.

Switching to a looting sword gives you the bonus.

But a wolf performing the kill does not.

Anonymous

21:36

mego-is-wrong

Calvin's Hobbies

i.e. switch to sword just before the potion kills them?

quartata

Yes

That means that wolves are programmed completely differently from all other entities great

Thanks Dinnerbone

Calvin's Hobbies

It just means that wolves have their own kills

quartata

But they drop XP...

Just like a player kill

You know what forget it we'll do it old school then.

Anonymous

Drop it like it's hot

quartata

21:38

We'll just gather a bunch of witches and use the splash potion looting sword trick. We'll get the bonus, it'll just be semi automatic

Calvin's Hobbies

It can be switchable

quartata

Yeah like Etho's zombie pigman one

That's easy enough

VTCAKAVSMoACE

My perspective. c:

Anonymous

oink

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Indeed.

Nether is borked.

quartata

21:46

Nether sky was never meant to be seen

VTCAKAVSMoACE

I know, but still. :D

Anonymous

Hello darkness my old friend

Calvin's Hobbies

This witch farm is actually really simple. The amount of redstone used could be reduced though.

Ethan Bierlein

22:01

yo

VTCAKAVSMoACE

22:16

@Calvin'sHobbies What are the coords for the witch hut again?

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