The Cactus Game Engine

Duga

15:07

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit 8c432b66 to master: Moved license and changelog to separate information folder

Duga

15:17

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit 4face073 to master: Changed path for license.

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit f91bdc66 to master: Deleted license, as it has been moved to subfolder "Information"

Ethan Bierlein

Morning @AnnonomusPenguin

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein Oh, I have a lot to do

Hi!

Ethan Bierlein

@AnnonomusPenguin Oh, btw, I've moved the LICENSE.txt file, and a new changelog.txt file into a subfolder named Information. Just for organization.

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein those are almost always in the root of the project

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin pushed commit 52af9ebc to master: Rename test.py to examples/test.py

Ethan Bierlein

15:26

Eh, It bothered me. Stuff has to be organized or it can drive me a little crazy. Besides, we don't want the main directory to be cluttered up with files.

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin closed issue #36: Can we move test.py into /examples?

Ethan Bierlein

Hmm. Will test.py still work, even where it is?

Lemme test.

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein oh... right.

Ethan Bierlein

How about this. We just put all our example files in the source folder, prefix the filename with EXAMPLE_filename.py, and just change the .gitignore?

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein why change the gitignore

Ethan Bierlein

15:29

Idk. Do we want to keep the tests visible?

Annonomus Penguin

What do you mean?

Ethan Bierlein

The .gitignore matches patterns, which in turns tells github which files not to show.

I think

That's what it does.

Annonomus Penguin

I know that

But why would we change it?

Ethan Bierlein

So that the test files don't show on github.

Ahg, forget it. We can keep the test files.

Annonomus Penguin

So: quick question. How will we handle different versions of docs?

Ethan Bierlein

15:36

Have "folders" for docs, e.g, we'd have a folder named v0.1.x-alpha-docs for version v0.1.x-alpha.

Annonomus Penguin

So will we be working on live pages when we update the docs (for a not yet released version)?

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom assigned ShearOfDoom to issue #34: Global commands

Annonomus Penguin

But then, wouldn't it link to the latest docs?

The pattern for this isn't working out.

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit f06e2d45 to master: Remove that awkward sounding sentence,

Ethan Bierlein

Hmm. How about this for the docs. We'll just have one page for documentation, and a header at the top which links to the separate parts for each version. Once a new version is released, we start writing the docs for it.

Annonomus Penguin

15:45

@EthanBierlein we need docs when a version is released

Hmmm

Ethan Bierlein

Okay, then right before a version is release, development stops, docs are written, version is released, development continues.

Annonomus Penguin

Also: how do changes carry on from version to version? If there's an error, we don't wnat to update docs from ten years ago

@EthanBierlein you can't stop development on an open source project

Ethan Bierlein

Okay, how about this: We test examples in docs before they are pushed out, to help reduce risk of errors.

Annonomus Penguin

What I'm asking is this: do we really need backward docs?

Bootstrap doesn't

Ethan Bierlein

So... Only have docs for the current version?

Annonomus Penguin

15:52

Let me think about this

Ethan Bierlein

I think we should at least have an archive of docs for previous versions somewhere.

Annonomus Penguin

Ok, I think I know how to do this. Let me handle this here

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin unassigned Annonomus-Penguin from issue #27: Choice to disable automatic display of commands

Annonomus Penguin

I'm not going to archive tutorials, though. That's too much work.

Ethan Bierlein

We don't need to archive tutorials. We don't really need them anyways, with docs and all.

Ethan Bierlein

16:19

@AnnonomusPenguin Is your event handling system affected by lower_text?

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein eh, kinda

What do you mean?

Ethan Bierlein

Like, for example, if I had a MapPosition with the name Hello There, could I type "map_position.hello there.enter.after": exit, and have it still work?

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein uuhh... I don't quite remember.

We need to use the _conditional_lower() function more. There are a few places that I saw that needed it.

Mostly my fault. I have an open issue for this.

Ethan Bierlein

k. I'll let you figure that out. I'm adding another test game right now.

Annonomus Penguin

What are the test games for?

They seem like examples

Are you having an issue with that?

Ethan Bierlein

16:26

Hmm. Yeah. Let me try something else.

Okay, yeah. I'm going to open an issue about this. Brb.

Annonomus Penguin

Assign me to it

Ethan Bierlein

yup. ik

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom opened issue #38: Event handling doesn't use _conditional_lower

> *(This assumes that `lower_text` has been enabled)*

Suppose I have a `MapPosition` instance with the name `"My Position"`. If I try to assign a function to it using an event handler, and it's actual, capitalized name, it doesn't work. Here's an example.

"map_position.My Position.enter.after": func # <-- This doesn't work.

In order to get this to work, I have to type the following instead.

"map_position.my position.enter.after": func # <-- This works, but it's still a bug.

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom added label enhancement to issue #38: Event handling doesn't use _conditional_lower

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom assigned Annonomus-Penguin to issue #38: Event handling doesn't use _conditional_lower

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom added label bug to issue #38: Event handling doesn't use _conditional_lower

Ethan Bierlein

Alrighty, I added the issue.

Annonomus Penguin

What license do we want the docs? Same as main?

Ethan Bierlein

16:35

Yeah

Simon André Forsberg

@AnnonomusPenguin @EthanBierlein I don't think it is a hash collision.

Annonomus Penguin

@SimonAndréForsberg I know

Simon André Forsberg

I think you just managed to create two branches that are completely unrelated to each other

2

Annonomus Penguin

I was just saying that would be really cool

Ethan Bierlein

15 hours ago, by Annonomus Penguin

> A higher probability exists that every member of your programming team will be attacked and killed by wolves in unrelated incidents on the same night.

Still love that ^^

Annonomus Penguin

16:37

I know :P

Ethan Bierlein

@AnnonomusPenguin I'm going to commit another test game rn. Am I go for launch?

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein what is the purpose of a test game?

Why shouldn't we just build unit tests?

(But yea, commit)

Simon André Forsberg

I had an issue a while ago where someone I worked on the same repository on used the wrong URL for pushing changes, ended up with two repositories being 'merged'... that was a bit of a mess to clean up, but we managed to solve it.

Ethan Bierlein

So that we actually have "game" of sorts, rather than our current left/right choice test.

Annonomus Penguin

I see

Duga

16:39

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit 3db4663f to master: Added a 'test game' of sorts

Annonomus Penguin

Ok, for the site, I'm going to add a page about our team. Send me a small snippet about you for me to add (GH push team only), 1x SE flair, email, Twitter, anything else

2

A small paragraph and a links/etc.

And any SE flair

Ethan Bierlein

Sorta like an "about me"?

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein yes. Keep it short

Ethan Bierlein

k

Annonomus Penguin

Full markdown supported

Ethan Bierlein

16:42

Basic HTML?

Too

Annonomus Penguin

Like what tags?

Ethan Bierlein

<strike> and such. Stuff like what SE supports

Annonomus Penguin

Yeah.

Make it in 3rd person

Ethan Bierlein

@AnnonomusPenguin Kinda short and odd, but here's the raw MD:

> EthanBierlein of those <strike>wierdos</strike> developers working on [Cactus](github.com/ShearOfDoom/Cactus), a game engine used to build text-based adventure games (think Zork). He hopes to someday get into professional game design, and even design his own game!
>
> You can contact him at [[email protected]]().
> You can find him lurking on the [StackExchange Network](codereview.stackexchange.com/users/53251/ethan-bierlein).
> He hangs out in these two chatrooms quite often, [Discussion About Cactus](chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/24299/discussion-about-cactus), and [Th…

Ethan Bierlein

17:04

Oh noes, the world has gone silent.

Ethan Bierlein

17:27

Hello?

Annonomus Penguin

17:39

crickets

Annonomus penguin isn't here right now

He didn't just talk

Ethan Bierlein

Is that a good "about me"?

Well, if you think anything needs to be changed, you can change it. I'm gonna go hang out with some friends for a while.

brb

Annonomus Penguin

17:53

Ok

I have it going from Ethan → Me. @Quill and @QPaysTaxes: whichever one of you gets your bio in first gets it next in the page.

I'm ordering by who gets it in first for fairness.

Duga

19:19

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin pushed commit 6fc23f59 to gh-pages: Added more content, testing breadcrumbs, improved Jerkyll

Annonomus Penguin

Don't you just love it when something breaks with no error messages? :P

Annonomus Penguin

20:06

I have a website update that I'm close to pushing

I just need to finish building the breadcrumbs

Duga

20:38

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin pushed commit 053e4d7e to gh-pages: Fixed Problems

Annonomus Penguin

New changes live :)

The site looks awesome, if I say so myself!

I put a lot of work into the breadcrumbs/etc.

I now need to populate it

Annonomus Penguin

21:29

@QPaysTaxes me too

You can make it silly

@QPaysTaxes the order

This page: shearofdoom.github.io/Cactus/About/Team

Something simple to put alongside your name

And list any contact info you want (if you have an email for your online profile, like I do)

Your GitHub profile?

Yeah, I do that for everyone

@QPaysTaxes send it to me

Just let me add it

@QPaysTaxes I have some local changes

Just send it to me and I'll add it in

Ethan Bierlein

Hey, @AnnonomusPenguin, Can you change my flair on the team page to this:

<a href="http://stackexchange.com/users/4280743/ethan-bierlein"><img src="http://stackexchange.com/users/flair/4280743.png" width="208" height="58" alt="profile for Ethan Bierlein on Stack Exchange, a network of free, community-driven Q&amp;A sites" title="profile for Ethan Bierlein on Stack Exchange, a network of free, community-driven Q&amp;A sites" /></a>

?

Annonomus Penguin

@QPaysTaxes I'm mid change :P

@QPaysTaxes but... styleguide! :D

@QPaysTaxes I would be copying it!

Hmm.... just make it look exactly like the others, mkay?

@QPaysTaxes already have his network wide one in local copy

I'll fix the theme issue

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] newbiedoodle pushed commit a44ad645 to gh-pages: Added QPaysTaxes' stuff

Annonomus Penguin

How should we handle the changelog to keep the docs in sync?

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin pushed commit 6e2d9f04 to master: Rename changelog.txt to CHANGELOG.txt

Annonomus Penguin

21:42

It's also generally in the root dir

@Ethan wanted it in that folder

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] newbiedoodle pushed commit 5d136668 to gh-pages: Made it third-person

Annonomus Penguin

what?

I would've caught that if you would've sent it to me :P

They aren't the same!

No : on end of line

Email style is different (we do this to prevent spam bots)

But now

It's not consistent!

aaarrrgggg

;P

What?

Ethan's doesn't have it?

@QPaysTaxes subjective

@QPaysTaxes it annoys me if it's not :)

he has it linked

But he doesn't have a Twitter

You're confusing consistency and equivalency.

That's like saying that we both should have the same exact bio.

Duga

22:03

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin pushed commit 52749a80 to gh-pages: Updated About; Added Docs/Contrib content

Annonomus Penguin

What?

@QPaysTaxes the commit message?

Those are semicolons

What?

@QPaysTaxes This is my reasoning: One place that you should use colon is before a list

For example, the features section of the homepage

That wouldn't make sense to not have a colon there, right?

And it looks worse to mix colons and no colons in a single document, so I just go with all colons.

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin pushed commit 577a1dfd to gh-pages: Removed useless header (forgot to do this before push)

Annonomus Penguin

2 mins ago, by Annonomus Penguin

And it looks worse to mix colons and no colons in a single document, so I just go with all colons.

@QPaysTaxes but, there's two headings on that page!

So one would have a colon, the other wouldn't

It looks weird

We're wasting time here. If you don't like it, you edit all of them out yourself.

I'm going to get back to development

@Ethan can you edit the game website into the GitHub description?

Ethan Bierlein

22:29

Hello

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein hi

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin pushed commit afd1f31f to gh-pages: Jekyll doesn't support code blocks formatted with backticks

Ethan Bierlein

Hey, just one odd thing about the site that I just noticed. Is this sentence incomplete, or should I drop the end? Flexible event handler that you

Annonomus Penguin

Ahhhhhhh

hahhsdflskdfksldf

So much stuff to fix

Ethan Bierlein

Is something supposed to come after you?

I can fix it.

Annonomus Penguin

22:31

Yeah it was supposed to be something like "that you can use to run custom functions when a certain event happens"

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin pushed commit 9ff95912 to gh-pages: Missed a ``` code blcok

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein are you fixing it? Feel free to do so

Ethan Bierlein

Yup. Give me a sec

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit 0a486a32 to gh-pages: Added missing text.

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit 5a3b8c07 to gh-pages: Removed period

Ethan Bierlein

done

Annonomus Penguin

22:35

Feel free to start contributing to the site now that I'm almost done. I have to finish moving some stuff over, but other than that, it's done. I can help you create a page if you want another page somewhere.

Unless you already know what to put in the Jekyll front matter :)

Ethan Bierlein

I have no clue how to use Jekyll, so I'll leave that to the local master, but if you could just work your magic, and create a v0.2.x-alpha docs page, that'd be nice. :)

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein are we going to release a version soon?

Let's finish the v0.1.0-alpha so we can copy those to the v0.2.0

Ethan Bierlein

"Soon" is still to be determined. I was thinking we could just have it setup so I could write the docs right before the version is released.

Annonomus Penguin

So delete the v0.1.0 docs?

Ethan Bierlein

Yes, but keep the v0.1.0-alpha release.

Since it was just a quick pre-release I cobbled together hastily, we don't really need docs for it.

Annonomus Penguin

22:39

Are you going to work on github.com/ShearOfDoom/Cactus/issues/18 before 0.2.0?

Ethan Bierlein

v0.2.x-alpha is going to be better. I'm also going to do some work on the syntax tonight as well.

Annonomus Penguin

Well, hopefully it's better :P

Ethan Bierlein

It will take quiet a bit of reconfiguration though, so don't expect immediate results.

And since it's also going to involve changing all the files, we're going to have to be really careful to avoid collisions tonight,

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein just the arguments to __init()__, right?

Or what all are you talking about?

Ethan Bierlein

Well, essentially, all the classes are going to have one argument now, class_data. This argument is a dictionary that will contain the data for that object, with a key.

Which means I need to do a whole shitload of renaming.

Annonomus Penguin

22:42

I thought we were going to just have that as the initial argument

So copy all of that data into the different variables

Do you know what I'm saying?

Ethan Bierlein

Sure. But this little thing you suggested yesterday is what I'm going to do tonight: github.com/ShearOfDoom/Cactus/issues/18#issuecomment-109787448

Annonomus Penguin

I was asking if we were going to contain all of the same internal variables, just change the function definition, or if we're going to store everything in a dictionary inside the class.

Ethan Bierlein

Then, after I'm done with that, ^^, I'm going to work on using dictionary keys as choice references, rather than indexes.

Storing everything inside of a dict inside of the class.

Annonomus Penguin

Ok

Ouch

Ethan Bierlein

What?

Annonomus Penguin

22:46

Lots of code to ~~break~~ work on.

Ethan Bierlein

Yeah, but, I stay up late, so, I still have about 7 hours to do it. xD

Annonomus Penguin

When will you start?

Ethan Bierlein

Probably around 6:30-7:00PM US central time.

Annonomus Penguin

Ok

Ethan Bierlein

I'll post a large message in bold in here saying that I'm starting the refactoring process, so you don't have to guess when I start.

Annonomus Penguin

22:49

So, let me finish working on the docs here. I won't mess with the code until you're done with that because I don't know if I'll have time to finish what I want

But, look at this, first: shearofdoom.github.io/Cactus/Docs/Contrib/NewVersionProcedure

And: shearofdoom.github.io/Cactus/Docs/Contrib/PullRequestProcedure

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin pushed commit 417e9817 to gh-pages: Updated docs

Ethan Bierlein

Alrighty. Sounds like a plan. We probably won't release v0.2.0-alpha for a while though. There is still some other issues to work on before the release.

Annonomus Penguin

Yes

Remember that we don't have to fix all of the issues before a release

Ethan Bierlein

Also, I'm slightly confused on what to put in CHANGELOG.txt. Do we just put information about what's changed from version to version, or what?

Annonomus Penguin

That's impossible

@EthanBierlein yes. Anything that the user would want to know

Make it descriptive

Ethan Bierlein

22:52

I know, just get some of the big ones done, like syntax.

Annonomus Penguin

External parts of code always needs to be added with much detail; smaller stuff can be just mentioned quickly

Quill

monking

Ethan Bierlein

Morning @Quill

Annonomus Penguin

6 hours ago, by Annonomus Penguin

Ok, for the site, I'm going to add a page about our team. Send me a small snippet about you for me to add (GH push team only), 1x SE flair, email, Twitter, anything else

Quill

um

okay

Annonomus Penguin

22:57

You're a part of the team:

shearofdoom.github.io/Cactus/About/Team

Ethan Bierlein

@Quill, essentially, write a description of yourself in 3rd person.

With relevant info.

@all Hey, btw, I'm going to delete both of the test files, due to the oncoming syntax changes. Okay?

Annonomus Penguin

OK

Ethan Bierlein

I'm also going to remove the master/examples folder as well, for now.

Quill

@all should be a direct ping-all alias

Annonomus Penguin

@Quill we should make a bot for that

Next project!

Quill

23:00

It's probably closer to an SE integrated feature than a bot

Annonomus Penguin

A bot could do it

Quill

Hey, the emails on the team page don't follow a constant structure

Annonomus Penguin

They would just ping every user in the room with the message ^^^

Quill

@EthanBierlein, you should add your blog to your bio on the team page

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit d5931671 to master: Removed examples for incoming changes.

Ethan Bierlein

23:02

Oooh. I should

I'll do that later though. I have other things to do.

Annonomus Penguin

If you send me a link, I can add it

Ethan Bierlein

I haven't posted recently, I don't do it that often, but here: burningkeyboard.wordpress.com

I just had a great idea. We could have someone write a bot to push "alerts" to this room. For example, say that someone isn't in the room, and is busy working on the code, they could just type a message, and the bot auto-formats it and pushes it to this room.

Quill

I suppose

ask @SimonAndréForsberg for advice maybe

Ethan Bierlein

Yeah lol. I have no idea how to use the StackExchange API. We'd also have to create a bot account with more than 20 rep too.

Quill

Here, take a look at this

Annonomus Penguin

23:21

@EthanBierlein what?

Ethan Bierlein

Yes?

Annonomus Penguin

What do you mean by that?

Ethan Bierlein

Are you talking about that absurd, crazy little idea?

The bot?

Annonomus Penguin

Yes

Ethan Bierlein

That was just a strange idea I had. Nothing that I really considered. From looking at @Duga's source already, I'm not sure if I want to create a bot anyways...

Well, brb, gonna go get a bite to eat.

Ethan Bierlein

23:47

Hello @bazola

bazola

hey @EthanBierlein

write any interesting code lately?

Ethan Bierlein

Not me in particular, but @AnnonomusPenguin has been doing a lot of work getting the site looking nice/

bazola

got a link?

Ethan Bierlein

shearofdoom.github.io/Cactus

It's in the room desc.

btw

bazola

it looks nice

Ethan Bierlein

23:50

I like it. It has a deserty "vibe" which goes along with cactus nicely

bazola

have you thought about rendering the game as bitmap glyphs with OpenGL or similar? you could make each letter a sprite, and then you could easily manipulate color or even do animations with the letters

Ethan Bierlein

That's a cool idea. We're still in early alpha though, so something like that is still a long way off.

I was thinking that when this project really takes off, we could have a GUI for creating a game that auto-generates code.

@AnnonomusPenguin / @QPaysTaxes / @Quill I'm removing the webhook from the pinned messages.

Quill

I'm going to remove my fork from the webhook connection later (github banned here) seeing as we can do pull reqs now

Ethan Bierlein

@bazola You should check out our network graph. It looks really cool.

bazola

what kind of output do you currently have? just strings or?

Ethan Bierlein

23:55

Just strings atm.

bazola

i believe i could pretty easily create a libGDX game that took strings as input and rendered them as openGL sprites

Ethan Bierlein

Cool. If we do graphics, I'm thinking either plain OpenGL with Python, or some wrapper, like Pyglet.

Annonomus Penguin

@bazola wait so, just to have colors and text that moves? Or are you saying more than that?

bazola

i believe that the easiest way to integrate with libGDX would be to use Jython, but i have never used it before

every letter would be a sprite on the screen, so you could add actions to the sprite, fade, animations, anything really

you could even have clickable links that lead to other parts of the story

Annonomus Penguin

@bazola that sounds like it would be a huge hit to performance... each letter? D:

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