The Nineteenth Byte

Wheat Wizard

00:59

@Seggan Where is the chat context for the spellcheck question? I'd like to edit the question to be code-golf instead of just the tags.

emanresu A

There isn't, other than that it was originally posted as a CMC which are implicitly code-golf

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Q: Counting birds outside my house

Outside your house there are a series of telephone wires, which birds like to perch on. They mostly sit still, but every so often a flock of them moves. Flocks of birds follow a peculiar pattern of movement. One flock of birds always moves at once. That is every bird in the flock moves, no bird ...

Seggan

01:52

@WheatWizard what emanresu said

lyxal

06:21

Nahh why does there exist minecraft branded flavoured milk

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11:50

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Q: Noise Cancelling

You work at a company that builds noise cancelling headphones. You've just ordered a new set of microprocessors for them, but disaster strikes! The ones that arrive are an older model, with very limited memory. While the rest of the team figure out how to get a new shipment, can you rise to the c...

code-golf

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13:56

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Name the nth Tama successor Tama was a cat who gained fame for being a railway station master and operating officer at Kishi Station on the Kishigawa Line in Kinokawa, Wakayama Prefecture, Japan. Photo credit: User:Sanpei on Japanese Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0 On her death, she was honored with a S...

Themoonisacheese

^ will post on main by end of week if there are no major problems or objections

Themoonisacheese

14:29

CMR: Chien Méchant - La Bête: music.youtube.com/watch?v=8guU8OCr-GU

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14:47

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Q: Find the Smallest Data Type for a Number

Recently I had to implement this problem in c#, and thought it would make for a good code golf. Your goal is to output the smallest unsigned data-type a 64 bit unsigned number can fit into. Input: An unsigned 64-bit number (or the closest builtin equivalent in your chosen language) Output: A numb...

code-golf regular-expression bitwise

mousetail 'he-him'

15:05

@Themoonisacheese With just 10 values I think every answer will just hard code or use basic string compression

Themoonisacheese

@mousetail'he-him' what do you suggest be done better?

mousetail 'he-him'

You could just make it count in Japenese and go up to one thousand or so, but even then it's been done many times before. I'm not sure if it's salvageable

Themoonisacheese

i kinda feel like just making a decimal->japanese converter just entails that at the end of the day and i feel like the output of that would just end up the same with additional logic

mousetail 'he-him'

Yes, but logic is the fun of code golf. So additional logic means more of the good stuff

Themoonisacheese

@mousetail'he-him' yeah i don't think this would do much to fix it

i don't feel like that kind of logic would be very fun though, i feel like that part has been done many times

mousetail 'he-him'

15:11

String compression has been done many times before too, and challenges of that sort are usually closed

Adám

Whoa, confirmed:

Colorful Fruit Juice Song | Yummy Food Series Compilation + LiaChaCha Kids Songs & Nursery Rhymes

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Themoonisacheese

big if true

@mousetail'he-him' idk i felt like there was somewhat of a challenge there

mousetail 'he-him'

IMHO a challenge is good if and only if it has interesting logic

Others might still enjoy it though

Ginger

@Adám ...wrong link?

Themoonisacheese

in my mind the fact that it wasn't literal just KC but also didn't have many different outputs would make it sit in a sweet spot where it's not immediately obvious if one should hardcode the output or run some light logic on it, making the challenge interesting

Adám

15:22

@Ginger no, why?

Ginger

oh.

Themoonisacheese

then again i am of the overarching opinion that actually programming the solution is not very interesting, the interesting part is figuring out the solution

Ginger

how did you find this??

Adám

@Ginger my 1yo did

Ginger

ah

Themoonisacheese

15:23

ah fuck i clicked on it now my recommended will be wrong for 3 months

Ginger

the secret to juic avocad finally revealed

Themoonisacheese

fre shavaca do

Adám

i was just mindlessly listening along and then I went "wait, what‽"

Ginger

Oct 9, 2015 at 16:31, by New Main Posts

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Q: Question about advacado

Hello I have quetions how does juice an avocado I have try for thirtee minut and no juic. I try alredy. thank.

code-challenge popularity-contest tips

(context)

Themoonisacheese

incredible

i am poor so can't view it but astounding meme

Adám

15:29

there's nothing more to view

Also:

Sep 22, 2015 at 3:19, by Alex A.

@PhiNotPi hello i have quetions how does juice an avocado i have try for thirtee minut and no juic

(see the stars and responses there — it became a significant PPCG/CGCC meme)

For those that have the rep:

codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/8335/43319

mousetail 'he-him'

Petition to undelete

Why was it even deleted in the first place?

Adám

15:46

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A: What happened to the memes page?

For those who can't see deleted posts: I deleted the memes question. However, I didn't act unilaterally; this decision was made by the moderation team. While it wasn't the best fit for a Meta question, it was locked and doing no harm to the community. Unfortunately, we disagree with the sec...

mousetail 'he-him'

My petition to re-open or create a new one still stands. I think the memes we have nowadays are less harmful than the ones in the past that where creating issues.

Themoonisacheese

i think you're too hopeful personally

what's the policy for anniversary-related challenges ? i guess we have flag-drawing challenges for country independance days, but would it make more sense to publish my challenge on main, say, on the anniversary of Tama's birth?

or would it simply not factor in at all

Adám

it is fine and not required. I published this on the 5th anniversary of my father's death:

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Q: Easier communication means faster coding means fewer coders means …

My father who was a really good APLer and taught me all the basics of APL (and much more), passed away on this day, five years ago. In preparation for 50 Years of APL, I found this patent letter (translated for the convenience of those who do not read Danish) for a handwritten logo. It explains a...

code-golf string kolmogorov-complexity animation

Themoonisacheese

i guess my question was more about community perception ie: if my challenge isn't all that great, would people care slightly more about it if it is posted on a related anniveersary or do people just not care?

Adám

16:01

i think they would; i've seen challenges get a lot of attention due to timing.

thejonymyster

CMC: decide if a string A has necessarily overlapping* instances of a nonempty string B. examplies: A="aabxbx" B="ab" => true *A="aabcc" B="abc" => false A="eerieeerie" B="eerie" => false A="eerieeriee" B="eerie" => true

Themoonisacheese

@Adám good to know thank you

mousetail 'he-him'

That's a lot of flags

Adám

yeah, phew, tough questions discussed, but people should stay civil

thejonymyster

16:18

oh sorry for interrupting conversation i got funny connection issue that showed me nobodys messageso

Adám

CMCs are always on-topic, imo.

This one seems hard, though, imo.

Seggan

16:34

@mousetail'he-him' seconded

thejonymyster

19:06

@Adám CmoderatelydifficultC

thejonymyster

19:28

hm its a tad underspecified too - might let it cook in the sandbox a bit and post forreally real. gotta earn up my rep if im gonna be passing out bounties

The Empty String Photographer

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Q: Walks in Nice (Nizza)

Narrative Recently, I visited Nice (a French city on the Mediterranean coast) and saw a curious tourist wandering through the city. His walk started at the center of the 'Promenade des Anglais'. He stepped in one of the four cardinal directions: north (N), south (S), east (E), and west (W). His w...

code-golf math sequence combinatorics

thejonymyster

21:35

I keep flopping back and forth between the different possible versions of the question, I cant tell if it makes more sense to have the challenge to be to spot if one string overlays itself, two strings overlay one another, or N strings have any overlaps at all...

lyxal

@mousetail'he-him' this has my support

thejonymyster

21:49

how might this differ from codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/12537/… ?

mousetail 'he-him'

22:08

Abbreviations and terms are just words, the other post is longer multi-paragraph posts describing cultural trends

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Q: Mega Man: Powered Up

Objective Given the name of a robot master in Mega Man: Powered Up except the trailing string Man, output the name of the robot master (again, except the trailing string Man) whom the inputted robot master has advantage over in fighting (with his weapon). Mapping (Input -> Output) Cut -> Bomb Bo...

code-golf string game

Dannyu NDos

No dupes, I hope.

lyxal

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Q: The Many Memes of Meta

Catchphrases and concepts that spread from person to person are known as memes, which, courtesy the Internet, can now explode across the Earth like a highly contagious virus (hence "going viral"). As with their real-life counterparts, some infectious diseases are global (pandemic), while others a...

support faq fun memes

Compared to a glossary, a many memes of x post documents the jokes within a chat room

This can make it easier for new users to understand what the heck we mean when we go on with nonsense

emanresu A

22:25

@mousetail'he-him' I really don't think there's much point. The old one was closed because it was mostly irrelevant and annoying, and I don't see how we'd stop a new one from becoming that

lyxal

With room owners actively ensuring the room doesn't become too annoying

We literally just appointed 5 more ROs, I think we have the ability and presence to keep things from becoming annoying

The irrelevance part is a problem, yes, but the post would serve as a sort of source of community engagement

TNB has changed. It's no longer the site and no longer the culture that led to the memes post being deleted in the first place

emanresu A

Even so I really don't think there's much point in maintaining a list of in-jokes and references. If you look at all the memes posts across the network linked from the meta.SE one, they have a total of ~15 edits over the last four years.

they may as well have historical locks

These things become irrelevant, and they do so fairly quickly. As ais523 put it, the Q/A format originally created for Stack Overflow is incredibly bad at handling information that changes over time, and there's very little point in maintaining a new list. The "annoying" bit is why it had to be deleted, but it was never going to be unlocked in the first place

If you want to maintain an external list elsewhere, go for it, but meta is not the right place for this.

Ginger

22:43

agreed tbh

I think the novelty will wear off real fast

hyperneutrino

i think having a meta post (which basically means it's officially endorsed) will have the same problem as last time, which is why it got deleted, of keeping stale memes on life support. and if it doesn't, then things come and go and what's the point in record-keeping things we want to be trends that pass by and not artificially stay alive beyond their relevance

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i think given new users can just like, ask (it's not likely that a new user would see something they don't get and go to meta, be able to find the memes list, and then find the specific meme especially when it isn't always going to be worded the same e.g. "you're not X you're Y"), it doesn't really justify the downsides that we have objectively already seen once (and moderation wasn't inactive back then, if i recall correctly, maybe i don't)

thejonymyster

in the future memes wont even have the in between words to search by. in 2055 the most popular meme formats are X Y X Y Y Z X Z and X! X! Y Z A B X A

Ginger

@hyperneutrino true!

memes die

the meta post is already a graveyard, Jeff's giant S (for example) has to my knowledge been officially deprecated

no point in making a glossary for something transient. people will learn the culture by immersion, as they have done since time immemorial

lyxal

22:59

that doesn't mean it's not worth having documented history

knowyourmeme exists for example

emanresu A

and so are pretty much all the other ones across the network. The only reason ours had to be explicitly locked and deleted was because it was actually causing issues

@lyxal Exactly - as I said before, if you want to maintain an external list, somewhere else, go for it

Ginger

↑

lyxal

external lists die

links rot

the point of it being on meta is that it'd actually be able to survive

emanresu A

@lyxal and so do the memes that formed them

lyxal

2 mins ago, by lyxal

that doesn't mean it's not worth having documented history

should we not then have a history of code golf blog post?

thejonymyster

23:02

that happens slower i reckon

lyxal

my point being that just because things fall out of fashion, that doesn't mean having an on-site documentation place is useless

so what if it becomes irrelevant

hyperneutrino

the problem isn't really documenting things that later become irrelevant, it's that we've seen it cause irrelevant things to stay alive longer than they should — that's not a hypothetical unless there's some factor that you think has changed that would lead to a situation where this time would differ from last time

emanresu A

^

lyxal

I do think there's a factor that has changed

internet culture

we're not having tons of conversations like 2016-2019

we're not doing "random = funny" anymore

meme culture has become so fast that people drop references all the time

hyperneutrino

one could argue that that's because we're not keeping around a list of things that explicitly says "hey this is random stuff people say to be funny" but i don't think i can exactly prove that lol. but that does differentiate it from a history of code golf post — again i am not opposed to documentation inherently, i just don't think it matters much

like i guess i just don't see much value in it at all, much less when compared to the threshold needed to justify it against potential issues that i believe it will (re-)introduce

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lyxal

23:07

then change the premise of the meme post to be "these are historic memes, use with caution"

emanresu A

ah, yes, because this is the internet and those sorts of warning labels definitely work

lyxal

not a warning label, the purpose

don't make it seem like a "here's a list of currently funny"

make it seem like an archive

emanresu A

And if it's going to be a list of historical in-jokes and references, why have it at all?

lyxal

y'all are thinking this room gets that much activity to be a problem in the first place

hyperneutrino

even historical locking the OG post didn't work so i don't know if i agree. the reason memes move on is because people simply forget and they fall out of relevance and new people don't really have a way to go through past memes that easily

lyxal

23:08

@emanresuA because it documents what was

hyperneutrino

i'd rather our little activity be worth coming to this room for for the few people who do

lyxal

what's been

@hyperneutrino like a memes list is going to encourage people to start spamming like crazy

hyperneutrino

there is a gap between this will have no impact on the quality of this room at all and people will suddenly just start spamming. that's not what i'm saying

lyxal

a lot more people are a lot more sensible than they were in the period the original memes post existed

if there are people who say they want a memes post, then it isn't intrinsically useless or valueless.

@lyxal site culture has greatly shifted since 2017 when the post was deleted. E.g. that was when there was still people having problems with golfing languages on the site (a debate you wouldn't see today). A simple search for "lawless" in the chat transcript reveals that in the time of the memes post, TNB was a lot more loose and early 2010'sesque

Seggan

i support lyxal

lyxal

23:18

the "objective downsides" from last time stemmed from a community that was a lot more wild, and coming off the internet culture of 2012

where you had stuff like mlg, "ooo baby a triple", cheezburger memes, and that sort of stuff

the factor that's changed since then is everyone (in the world, not just TNB) has moved on from loud and obnoxious being funny

emanresu A

[citation needed]

lyxal

knowyourmeme.com/photos/2207032-starter-packs

emanresu A

This space has grown up a lot, yes. and we'd like to keep it that way

lyxal

a memes post wouldn't degrade that

@emanresuA internet in the early 2010's was much different to what it is now

anyone who ever engaged with the internet in that time can tell you that

Ginger

23:33

@lyxal doubt.png

lyxal

@Ginger you don't see MLG compilations anymore :p

the loud I mean is purposefully loud, compared to today's absurdist brainrot stemming from post-irony

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