The Nineteenth Byte

lyxal

00:05

react going crazy like ayo tf no chill

Rydwolf Programs

Pet peeve: when the featured artist on a song is the one everyone actually cares about, instead of the one listed as the artist (e.g., Feel This Moment (nobody's there for Pitbull) or Fancy (nobody's listening for the Iggy Azalea filler))

Unrelated String

Featured as in listed first or featured as in, like, titled "... (Feat. ____)"

Isn't the latter used for like marginal guest appearances or something

(...come to think of it, I'm 95% sure I've actually heard of both of those songs, but I could have sworn both of those were who they're by 🙃)

Ooooh speaking of musical artists, I might be getting that shirt in the mail tomorrow :D

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Q: Curry a C function pointer

Objective Given a type signature of a C function pointer represented as a string, output the (fully) curried version of it, also as a string. I/O format It is assumed that: There is at least one parameter. The return type and the parameter types are titlecased alphabetic identifiers. The input a...

Dannyu NDos

If that's not too easy.

Unrelated String

...why titlecased, incidentally?

Dannyu NDos

00:20

'Cause Haskell insists to.

Rydwolf Programs

00:34

@UnrelatedString the latter

GUYS A GIRL JUST SAID HI TO ME

Unrelated String

Neat

Rydwolf Programs

In a context where it wouldn't be required socially

Unrelated String

I assumed as much

Very nice :P

Rydwolf Programs

I'm forced to conclude she wants me so bad

Unrelated String

Does she know you

Rydwolf Programs

00:35

Not projecting 💯

@UnrelatedString she's in the same dorm as me

Unrelated String

Because if not then yeah what other explanation is there LMAO

Oh that makes sense

Rydwolf Programs

We did a thing where we write compliments for everyone (we passed around a paper with our names at the top) semi-anonymously as a partial group today as an orientation thing, which was kind of neat

Unrelated String

Whoa

Rydwolf Programs

Mine were mostly either vague or "Carnegie cup fit was fire" lol

Unrelated String

I am SO glad I got my orientation during COVID now

@RydwolfPrograms That is factual though

Rydwolf Programs

00:38

That was such a good final hoorah for my emo hair

Gonna have to cut it very soon for ROTC

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😔

Are you actually going to have to get a buzz cut for ROTC

Damn

(ninja'd)

Rydwolf Programs

Not necessarily, just has to be fairly short

Unrelated String

Ah

So it might be tolerable :P

Rydwolf Programs

I'm going to an actual like, barbershop (not just great clips) so I can try to get some advice on how to style it in a way that'd still look good on me

It probably won't be that attractive until I get my camo uniform in spring tho

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@RydwolfPrograms So is the situation you're complaining about when a more famous artist is tacked on to the exclusion of the visibility of the main artist, or is it when the actual main artist is tacked on as featuring with the implication that they didn't actually do as much

Rydwolf Programs

00:40

The latter

Unrelated String

Oh damn yeah that sounds shitty

Rydwolf Programs

Like, the chorus of both of the songs I mentioned is the featured artist

Unrelated String

Both sound wack

(...which part is the chorus again)

Rydwolf Programs

Charli XCX and Christina Aguilera are who you're listening to the songs for, unless you're just a huge Iggy Azalea or Pitbull fan

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@RydwolfPrograms ...you can get style advice by not going to Great Clips? I might need to take advantage of that LMAO

Because I definitely need some tips on how to keep my hair looking alright as I grow it out

Rydwolf Programs

00:41

Like sure, the songs wouldn't be complete without the main artist, but they shouldn't get top billing

@UnrelatedString so I've heard, I'm yet to venture outside the great clips bubble though :p

Unrelated String

@RydwolfPrograms Oh is THAT who those are

I've heard of them but had no idea who they were or what they'd done

Rydwolf Programs

I did get someone at great clips once who actually gave me pretty decent advice, the main person I'd get at the one in Leander I could barely understand tho (I'm bad enough at hearing what people say even without an accent lol)

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...granted I swear it's also only been in the last 4ish years that I've heard of Charli XCX but it's been at least 5 years since the last time I heard of Fancy :P

@RydwolfPrograms Yeah like half the stylists I see at Great Clips seem like they really know what they're doing too

Rydwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString Charli XCX is probably a name you've heard recently since brat is her newest album, the one's that's been in all the memes, including the Kamala ones

Unrelated String

There are memes???

Rydwolf Programs

00:45

Brat summer, brat green, Kamala is brat, etc.

Unrelated String

My sister's told me that "brat summer" has something to do with the Harris/Walz campaign though

Rydwolf Programs

And a surge in the popularity of digital brutalism

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And has been kind of baffled by it for the last couple weeks

@RydwolfPrograms But I definitely first heard of her no more recently than a year ago

Probably more like two or three

Rydwolf Programs

I'm actually discovering I'm a fan of quite a few artists that are more pop than punk/metal

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Interesting

It's actually been a while since the last time I tried branching out come to think of it

Rydwolf Programs

00:48

IMO they still lean emo (although Taylor Swift, Chappel Roan, and Charli XCX definitely aren't thought of that way by basically anyone lol)

I can't really explain the thread that links my music taste together but it's there

Something to do with how it sounds, that I can't really at all put into words

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Did end up listening through a random-ass Psycho Filth album last week, but that's more "squarely within my existing taste but a part of it that I've spent embarrassingly little time actually exploring"

@RydwolfPrograms Yeah that makes sense

...Funny I never even started listening to their compilation albums until I ran into someone who recommended OZIGIRI, even though the label is literally run by one of my 5th most listened artist of all time

Rydwolf Programs

I need to buy a reflective vest

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*not "one of", or *artists

@RydwolfPrograms Smart

Rydwolf Programs

There's a steam tunnel running between two sides of CMU's campus

It's extremely hidden, and they'll kick you out if they find you in it

But someday, once I've got some reputation to gamble, I'm gonna find them and go down there

And I figure if I wear safety gear and carry a clipboard or ladder, I'm less likely to get questioned if someone finds me down there

Someone apparently lived in the steam tunnels under the fine arts building for some time

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Pfffffffffff

Amazing

Rydwolf Programs

00:56

I was exploring the lower levels of one of the original buildings on campus, where the arts department has some offices and workshops, and found this cool little nook with little books they've printed. It was really neat, lots of them had to do with gender and identity

I was trying to find the trapdoor to the tunnels, and I may actually have

But I didn't try to open it or move stuff off of it, of course

Unrelated String

Of course

Rydwolf Programs

That's gotta wait until I'm in charge of some stuff around campus and know some people higher up, so I can negotiate if I get caught lol

The steam tunnels are officially acknowledged in the CMU handbook, interestingly

Unrelated String

Neat

@RydwolfPrograms Oh yeah incidentally do you track stats on anything

emanresu A

01:11

My uni doesn't have anything interesting that I know of (although it does have three distinct spaces that I refer to as the "backrooms" because they have no windows and are a pain to find)

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Ahahahaha

Rydwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString Stats?

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Nice

@RydwolfPrograms Like on music listening

Rydwolf Programs

nah

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last.fm, musicbrainz, spotistats, whatever the fuck else (there's way too many of them)

Ah. Understandable LMAO

I do, if you're ever curious

Rydwolf Programs

01:18

@UnrelatedString Probably a combination of extremely high concentration of nerds and high concentration of international students from asia

Unrelated String

That checks out :P

@UnrelatedString Oh this album I just queued as I typed that is fun

att

01:36

Your compatibility with unrelatedstring is Very Low.

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😔

...Digital Chopin is definitely not going on my liked playlist but that was still an entertaining listen LMAO

Unrelated String

02:24

Giant homework for mid level CS class actually managing not to be useless, wow

Feel like I'm actually learning something about doing 2's complement math in my head :P

Dannyu NDos

We need more challenges about 2-adic numbers.

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And at how bad I am at remembering that E is in between F and D

Wait why did I say at twice there

What the fuck did I mean

Darren Smith

03:11

@lyxal Thanks, lyxal, but I get the same error message with that link, what is the GG standard algorithm?

caird coinheringaahin g

03:48

@RydwolfPrograms Fun fact: I ran a VtM game set on the UW campus, and one of the characters fully lived underneath campus, in a cave next to the light rail. And, being the sensible vampire he was, he sublet a corner of said cave to a student

That said, he did only charge $300/month to live in this cave

@emanresuA A friend of mine once managed to spend ~10 hours wandering around one of our campus buildings, because they accidentally walking into a subbasement of the library, and couldn't find the stairs out

lyxal

@DarrenSmith no clue on the algorithm, it was mentioned in a question. Strange about the error, given I generated a fresh invite

lyxal

04:38

mfw I want a react useEffect to run only once, but the react compiler cries because "waaah you need to include these variables in your dependency array" but not having an empty dependency array makes it update every time the useEffect sets something

truly modern web programming

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Q: Function to Convert string to Hexadecimal

Assignment: Create a function that can convert a string to its encoded hexadecimal value. In your answer, also show how to run this function (to validate answers). Your function must return OR print this text to STDOUT or any acceptable alternative. Your return value doesn't need to have whitesp...

code-golf string encoding hexadecimal

lyxal

while not a dupe of codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/187970/… because of the file reading requirement in the original, it still needs closing as needing details/clarity

emanresu A

05:16

Identical challenge closed as dupe of "num to hex"

Which is why I dupehammered

lyxal

I'd argue the identical challenge shouldn't have been closed

emanresu A

By standard i/o byte arrays are equivalent to strings so it's literally just "map [hex] over the input and join by spaces"

lyxal

if anything, dupe hammer to the identical challenge, not the original dupe

...which is apparently something I can do without needing to reopen

emanresu A

I remember being told somewhere not to create dupe chains because it's just confusing

lyxal

I'd say it's more accurate

emanresu A

05:23

It doesn't make sense to close something as a duplicate of an already closed question - if that original question was instead closed for other reasons, would you still have cast your vote that way?

lyxal

regardless of why it was closed, I'd still vtc as dupe of the indentical challenge

emanresu A

So, you'd close a new and well-specified challenge as a dupe of an older challenge that's already been closed for whatever and has somehow escaped deletion?

lyxal

then I'd get the older challenge deleted

so it wouldn't be a duplicate

besides, the question is about dupe chains, not closing as dupe of close questions

and besides, the fact you can have multiple dupe targets makes it a redundant argument

emanresu A

I forgot that was a thing

user

05:49

@RydwolfPrograms Hey, a program at my university made us do this too, twice (it's a meme that the program loves icebreakers)

Someone told me I was a great listener. Except I'm not, I'm such a bad listener that my parents literally thought I was going deaf when I was a kid

Then when it turned out my hearing was fine, this doctor referred them to a psychiatrist for an intelligence assessment. I guess they thought I was intellectually impaired or something lol

lyxal

Shoulda told them that you weren't dumb. You were user

user

06:23

Oh trust me, I was dumb back then. This was long before I made a StackOverflow account and decided to become user

emanresu A

TIL that tags are ordered

Bubbler

06:44

pretty sure it's sorted by number of total posts with that tag

The Empty String Photographer

08:58

I wonder if Ginger’s pronouns userscript has an ACE vulnerability

Themoonisacheese

(in this context this would be called XSS)

i doubt it, since it merely fetches what SE sends to clients, and SE sends sanitized HTML entities to clients

lyxal

11:37

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer the part that inserts the pronouns uses innerText, meaning that even if you were to include a script tag somehow, it'd just render it as normal text

Ginger

correct

mousetail

Need a version that evals random people's bios and pastes the result in innerHTML

Rydwolf Programs

12:12

Ew, innerText?

textContent gang

mousetail

replaceChildren(document.createTextNode(...)) gang

Rydwolf Programs

That's a little too purist even for me but I've considered it lol

Minus the replaceChildren, I'd have used a loop with firstChild and removeChild (or whatever it's called) and appendElement

I feel this moral responsibility to punish myself when using JS

mousetail

Using removeChild is too mascoschist even for me. ReplaceChildren all the way

Rydwolf Programs

Is that new? I actually hadn't heard of it

mousetail

Relatively? It's been supported in all browsers for about 5 years

Rydwolf Programs

12:18

There's all sorts of quirky DOM methods I don't really know about though, like the weird append one that shows up in autocomplete all the time in the console

mousetail

Occasionaly you find a gem but most are not that useful

Rydwolf Programs

rumor has it the eggs whisper deeply disturbing secrets if you bring your ear close enough

Wait I didn't mean to send that

mousetail

Yes that's how I learned about replaceChildren

Rydwolf Programs

I'm writing fake advertisements for all the dining locations on campus lol

lyxal

@RydwolfPrograms the eggs did

mousetail

12:20

You can use replaceChildren directly with strings btw, no need for createTextNode

Rydwolf Programs

Ooh neat

@mousetail It's one thing I definitely miss in languages without consoles/quality REPLs

Like compiled languages, for example. Being able to just find a method by typing likely names for it then test out the edge cases in a REPL is so convenient

mousetail

Yea

Rydwolf Programs

Can't count how many times I've had to go digging in source code to figure out what a method in Rust or Go does in an edge case that the docs don't cover

mousetail

Though ATO or online playgrounds can help a bit with these things

Rydwolf Programs

True, yeah

I've pulled up TIO a few times recently for that

mousetail

12:23

The rust playground has quite a lot of major rust libraries too so you can test those too

Rydwolf Programs

I thhbu learning by just playing around is one of the best ways to get good at coding (whether you're a novice or learning a new technology), which is why I think I was able to pick up JS so quickly

mousetail

I fully agree, it applies to learning nearly anything

Rydwolf Programs

I realized, I've now been coding half my life

mousetail

Dynamically typed interpreted languages are better for that

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah. One of the few strengths of them, I think

I can't figure out where I'm supposed to put the dirty plates in this dining hall so I keep just getting more food lol

mousetail

12:26

I can relate to that suprisingly well

Themoonisacheese

12:38

love spending my morning writing tcl to fix a software vendor's borked release

petition to throw Siemens EDA into the sun

mousetail

Seconded

Themoonisacheese

@RydwolfPrograms holy shit me too

lyxal

I do not like that my total is also 50% of life

Themoonisacheese

mine is more at this point

i'm at 56%

mousetail

I have 57.6%

Themoonisacheese

12:41

i was quite comfortable being 25, yknow how a lot of people say it's when you start thinking you're becoming old

mousetail

I turn 26 today, I'm not ready

Themoonisacheese

happy birthday

lyxal

@mousetail dang right. You're mousetail

consider that your birthday gift from me :p

Themoonisacheese

i audibly groaned at work

good thing my colleagues think i'm still groaning at siemens bullshit

lyxal

mousetail

12:44

I can hear a constant stream of swears from my coworkers at all times at JS bullshit

Themoonisacheese

is it bad that i wished we could JS?

lyxal

@Themoonisacheese there was a time when nobody was safe when starting a sentance with "I'm" :p

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms I did not know getElementsByClassName existed until a month or two ago

Themoonisacheese

current tech stack here is csh+tcl

Ginger

> TCL

my condolences

mousetail

12:46

@Themoonisacheese We're trying to create layouts way beyond the capabilities of HTML and CSS

Themoonisacheese

our default login shell is still set as csh, some users prefer bash so they can ask. forget about zsh (though my cshrc is just "exec zsh")

Ginger

fish lovers stay winning

Themoonisacheese

STM sends us packages that are initialized using csh, because the whole industry is like that

Ginger

@mousetail happy birthday!!

Themoonisacheese

last month we spent a good few hours evaluating solutions to parse these and the environment back to bash, without success

Ginger

12:48

what industry is this

Themoonisacheese

well i've already mentionned siemens EDA and ST Micro so take a wild guess

Ginger

checks wikipedia electronic computer-aided design...?

a field that I did not know existed until just now

Themoonisacheese

sure xD
we do integrated circuit IP design

mousetail

Do you use any ASML tech?

Themoonisacheese

we do not manufacture anything

so no

our products are all what basically amounts to software libraries but for semiconductor design, that other companies buy and use in their products

mousetail

13:00

Sounds cool, despite the Siemens shit

Themoonisacheese

siemens is overall one of the nicest vendors to work with, when they don't put out a release that incorrectly validates a design

the worst is ARM

but yes it is a very nice job and despite the crazy competition in the space most people in it are actually really eager to teach you and everything

the main problem is the moral one of "i am probably helping a government build missiles"

mousetail

At least you can feel better when you make a mistake

Themoonisacheese

lol

The Empty String Photographer

13:35

Why doesn’t anybody wear lab goggles in Computer Science?

mousetail

Despite the stereotype computers don't explode that often

The Empty String Photographer

After all, they’re working with potentially dangerous software so they need some sort of safety equipment

lyxal

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer they do

they're just called "glasses" instead

The Empty String Photographer

But they’re not goggles

Therefore they cannot be lab goggles

mousetail

They are used in a lab therefore they are lab goggles

lyxal

13:37

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer to a small-minded thinker, sure

but when you expand your thinking beyond the stereotypes of science, anything is possible

The Empty String Photographer

I’m personally not visually impaired (like you guys are) so I don’t wear glasses

mousetail

In a lab? That's unsafe

You need at least +3 glasses in a lab

lyxal

if I didn't believe in bending the rules I'd report you to OSHA

that's a WHS violation right there

The Empty String Photographer

@lyxal O’ Sha t

lyxal

yeah

they'd come to your house and arrest you and you'd be put in jail and everything

no ~~soup~~ freedom for you!

The Empty String Photographer

13:41

@lyxal Hah u thought

im not in us

lyxal

that doesn't matter

mousetail

OSHA transcends space and time

lyxal

they'd send people to hunt you down immediately

mousetail

If the US supreme court can't stop them, how can national borders?

The Empty String Photographer

Surely people with firearms could just … uhh … dispatch them…

mousetail

13:43

Nah that would be a workplace safety violation

Can't fire guns without proper hearing protection

The Empty String Photographer

Doesn’t matter if the guys enforcing it are dead

mousetail

It's physically impossible to violate workplace safety within 2 KM of any OSHA agent

The Empty String Photographer

I’ve done it before

mousetail

Must not have been a real OSHA agent

lyxal

you don't know who the agents are until it's too late

Ginger

13:47

they could be in this very room

lyxal

if you think you've spotted an OSHA agent, you've got the wrong person

mousetail

(I wonder if there is a SCP like this)

lyxal

OSHA stands for OSHA Sees and Hears All

Themoonisacheese

love me a good self-referential acronym

The Empty String Photographer

@OSHA_agent who are you?

Themoonisacheese

13:52

@mousetail scp-wiki.wikidot.com/forum/t-12466448/o-osha is all i could find, just someone with an idea of writing it

mousetail

I think our lore is better

Themoonisacheese

true

lyxal

tnb creative writing club

mousetail

I'd be in

Themoonisacheese

actually not that bad of an idea, though i expect the resulting texts to be quite short :V

lyxal

13:59

An artistic style choice

Themoonisacheese

here's a fun idea: golfing in the english language; or how succint can you write in english and still be fully understood

mousetail

TBF a lot of stories have a lot of needless fluff

lyxal

instead of normal long form paragraphs, stories are told as chat messages

mousetail

I don't want to know the appearence of any characters, I'm not going to remember their names anyways

The Empty String Photographer

at bnan

Skip every second vowel?

Et banna

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Snake a string through a simplex An n-simplex is a generalization of 'triangleness' in any dimension. Starting with 0 dimensions, the named simplexes are: point, line segment, triangle, tetrahedron, and pentachoron. Simplexes have many useful properties, but one is that you can make an n-simplex ...

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14:29

@Themoonisacheese tcl??????????????????

Damn

Themoonisacheese

14:41

yeah..

Unrelated String

🫂

Ginger

cursed idea: userscript that uses WebRTC to add a voice channel to chatrooms

The Empty String Photographer

I’m not installing that

I don’t want to voice chat with strangers

Seggan

15:31

@Ginger webrtc is cursed

ive tried it once, never figured it out

Ginger

true

Unrelated String

15:42

Made a quick lunch out of nothing but chad

*chard

Ginger

chad

Unrelated String

Back of my throat is burning a little but the flavor is still good :P

att

16:33

there is now a hole in africa

Rydwolf Programs

16:58

And/or a very traditionally masculine indivudual

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms can I run smth on your droplet since the server is still down? small websocket server for userscripts to authenticate chat users and transfer data with

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Round a number badly In this challenge, you are going to round a number badly! Round a number badly? Oh, you don’t know how to do that? Let me explain: Let’s assume the number has \$n\$ decimal places. You need to: Round the number to \$n-1\$ decimal places. Round the previous number to \$n-2\$ ...

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Sokoban Stuck? code-golf decision-problem matrix In the classic game of Sokoban the player's character solves puzzles by pushing boxes around a warehouse onto designated targets. Take, for example, this ASCIIfied game level: ...x. ..2.. x.1.. ..... ..o.. This level could be solved by the player ...

The Empty String Photographer

What would happen if I abused my reputation privileges?

Rydwolf Programs

17:59

@Ginger sure

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer Stern warning and/or suspension

Rydwolf Programs

I found the coolest class here

Problem is it overlaps precisely with one of my poli sci classes

I might try and do both (and just alternate which I go to based on the relative importance of attending that day in each class)

I could always drop one if it goes horribly wrong

Only issue is I'm not sure I could get the registration website to let me, and no way in hell is an actual registrar letting me

Ginger

the tunnel keeps dropping :|

I'd update it if I could actually finish typing the command

Simd

hi all

Ginger

18:17

@RydwolfPrograms are you aware that the droplet has a year and a half of uptime :p

Ginger

18:30

ok it seems like the droplet doesn't have enough RAM for the tunnel to work :/

RubenVerg

@SandboxPosts i used to think this was the actual way to round numbers (in like elementary school)

The Empty String Photographer

18:43

@RubenVerg wait actually

Unrelated String

Same

Not for long, but they always made rounding sound so much more complicated than it was so I figured there had to be SOMETHING more to it

And they never, like, actually explained what the hell it was for so I didn’t have any intuition of why it would be bad to do it that way

@RydwolfPrograms Chances still slim, but your chances with the human are probably better :P

What kind of class incidentally

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Q: Completely introduce your friends

I have a friend with a peculiar habit (more, a long-running joke) of introducing everyone present at an event in this fashion: Alice, Bob. Bob, Tom. Tom, Bob. Bob... When there are more than a few people, the number of such introductions can grow quite large and they will proceed until satisfie...

code-golf

Ginger

19:29

thinking of calling my system UseRscript Authentication Socket Service

Rydwolf Programs

19:53

@Ginger not enough IMO

@Ginger is it intentional or unintentional that this abbreviates to "ur ass"

Ginger

:3c

Rydwolf Programs

I can't tell if that's a yes or no lol

Ginger

the devil cat on my shoulder is telling me to create a global ClientSession variable instead of faffing about with app globals and async init functions

unfortunately I know deep down that if I do that it will violently explode later

unfortunately the voice channel idea would require more effort than I feel like putting in
HOWEVER, voice CALLS would be much easier!

(relatively speaking)

this is gonna be so cursed

The Empty String Photographer

20:21

@Ginger A cat that speaks English and knows how to code at the same time!?! That’s crazy!!!

Ginger

20:35

true

yknow. I was crazy once

Unrelated String

22:31

@RydwolfPrograms Obvious coincidence

Very unfortunate

Maybe you can do something funky with which letters you use to make it different, like UserScript instead of UseRscript :P

Seggan

22:43

@Ginger you sure youre not crazy right now? :P

att

🇺🇸

user

23:24

@RydwolfPrograms I assume those guys had plenty of holes well before Unrelated made lunch out of any of them

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