The Nineteenth Byte

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00:09

I find it a little baffling that that isn't always the case, honestly

But I'm also worried about that actually happening to me LMAO

This looks like it has a pretty solid consensus on the first answer, and a decent one on the second, so I think I might go on a meta editing spree today/tomorrow :P

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Finally

emanresu A

I was going to make a meta post asking if this is what the community wants but not sure if it's necessary

caird coinheringaahin g

+12/-1 seems pretty conclusive

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That's kind of what the existing post is for

Ginger

00:12

kill'em all!

emanresu A

+5/-2 on the other isn't particularly conclusive though (disclaimer: I'm one of the -2), and IMO it doesn't fit in very well to the idea of a minimal FAQ containing only what's absolutely necessary

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Oh wait is that one actually positive

caird coinheringaahin g

I'm happy to definitely remove faq-proposed from codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7832/66833, and add faq to codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/q/202/66833 . For the TNB naming lore, that could be asked separately

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I thought the consensus was against it :P

caird coinheringaahin g

(aka, the dupe should be un-tagged, the one that is still updated and referenced regularly should be promoted, and the questionable one left as is)

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00:16

I think if we do want to have an FAQ on meta about online interpreters, it should be a new one that's oriented towards solution posters providing links rather than question posters browsing answers that don't have links

emanresu A

@cairdcoinheringaahing Agreed, but it currently is the authoratitive source on "the implementation defines the spec"

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Because when there is a reasonable way to provide a link, the current community norm is that there should be a link there in the first place

Ginger

sometimes I forget that we're supposed to be running a SE site here :p

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xd

emanresu A

:p

caird coinheringaahin g

00:20

@emanresuA I would argue that the duplicate target covers that, and we are able to post to the dupe post (tagged with policy, which it should be) if someone asks "where is that written down?". A lot of site policies aren't included in the FAQ, cause they don't need to be

emanresu A

True :p

I guess "use common sense" covers most cases for that

caird coinheringaahin g

@emanresuA Honestly, a followup on "What should and shouldn't be faq-proposed?" seems like a good idea, if we're cleaning up the FAQ

Might just get that all out of the way and done tomorrow, once I've had a few hours sleep :P

emanresu A

Sounds good to me, will do shortly

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Good call

caird coinheringaahin g

@emanresuA I was planning on just going through the policy questions, and other related ones, to see if I could find stuff that might have been missed for faq-proposed, I'm happy to post it :)

emanresu A

00:32

Aight, go ahead

caird coinheringaahin g

:)

emanresu A

Probably best to do one answer per faq-proposed question and let people vote on them (I assume that's what you were planning?)

Also wait there's 241 policy questions

caird coinheringaahin g

I don't like the "OP posts all answers and people vote" approach. I was gonna just post a "Here's meta posts that could reasonably be FAQ, what thoughts do people have?" and people post answers like a standard discussion

@emanresuA A lot of them are easy to not FAQ just from the title or a quick glance :P

emanresu A

Yeah, just a lot

caird coinheringaahin g

We have a comprehensive policy

That seems to miss so many flagged posts :P

emanresu A

00:39

Also our meta tags are a bit of a mess

caird coinheringaahin g

Which ones?

emanresu A

The main ones I take issue with are the random language ones

Also clarification, underhanded, characters

caird coinheringaahin g

Why underhanded?

Seems pretty clear cut

emanresu A

Fair enough, just doesn't have a wiki, adding one

caird coinheringaahin g

Must be one of maybe 10 that I didn't give a wiki to back in like 2021 :P

emanresu A

00:53

So uh... there's like thirty now

caird coinheringaahin g

Goddamn this site, always making new things D:

emanresu A

You signed up for this :p

caird coinheringaahin g

data.stackexchange.com/meta.codegolf/query/1390932/…

63% of meta tags have their wiki from me, damn

I'm short on main tho, only 12% of wikis and 6% of excerpts

emanresu A

"only"

caird coinheringaahin g

:P

lyxal

01:41

@Ginger code golf is relatively tame compared to some of the horror stories I've heard :p

(eg anything to do with mathematics.se)

Not to mention all the weird and wacky (actually weird and wacky) users bigger sites attract

user

02:08

Hey, lay off my brethren

I'm the weirdest and wackiest of them all anyway

A lot of the rest seem like bots

lyxal

@user trust me, you aren't :p

also, thanks chat for making the "you've visited this link" colour pretty much the same as the moderator blue colour

this surely won't cause any confusion

user

lol, extension/userscript time

Stylus was pretty easy to use iirc

lyxal

this is with various chat improvement userscripts too btw

user

Oh ok

Right, it's black for me

lyxal

Turning off chat improvements seems to fix it

but that's a shame because chat improvements is a really good userscript

user

02:13

I've visited both my profile and emanresu's profile, yet the links show up as black for me

lyxal

it's a userscript I use doing it for some reason

user

I see

lyxal

I fixed it with a custom userscript

user

@user Hey does anyone know why in this screenshot, emanresu is also italicized despite not being a moderator?

lyxal

Room owner

user

02:20

Oh

emanresu A

02:43

@user They're not links normally

They just open the compressed user profile

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They're still implemented as <a> elements, and I think there's some JS thing that intercepts the click to open the mini profile but you can still open in new tab to follow the link to the full chat profile

Bbrk24

03:07

It's worse

it's an <a> full of divs

but yeah it does have an event listener that calls preventDefault()

Also @user the userscript isn't picking up your pronouns for some reason

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I see them fine

Bbrk24

When I reload the page I see "he/him" under his username for a split second and then they disappear

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Bizarre

Bbrk24

I checked the console to see if there was anything relevant and there was
- Cookie warnings x44
- Deprecation warning for DOMSubtreeModified
- Uncaught TypeError: s.data.replace is not a function

lyxal

Standard stuff really

Bbrk24

03:12

The code location for the deprecation warning points 15 lines past the end of the file it's in

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Naturally

Bbrk24

I guess I'll file an issue and see if anyone else can narrow it down

@UnrelatedString What browser are you on?

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Firefox

Bbrk24

I'm also on Firefox

What userscript manager?

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Greasemonkey

And the only relevant script I have other than Pronoun Helper is Font Fixer (I forget if that even does anything to chat)

Bbrk24

03:21

I stopped using Greasemonkey because of github.com/Glorfindel83/SE-Userscripts/issues/52

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Ah

lyxal

03:39

makyen spotted in the wild

nowhere is safe from Makyen coming and posting the most detailed description of why you're experiencing a problem

in Charcoal HQ, Aug 8 at 6:21, by Dragonrage

only @Makyen will join a room and drop 7 replies to 5 different people in the space of 2 seconds, all of which are near the character cap for a chat message

Sandbox Posts

04:10

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Visualize "Destroying Democracy" code-golf grid This MathPickle post poses an interesting problem about gerrymandering. An n-by-n square grid is given, and all cells are initially painted green. You can paint some cells red and partition the grid into several rectangles. The color of a rectangle...

user

04:22

Weird, I'm using FF + Tampermonkey and I see no problems

idk just stop referring to me I guess

Let me be garbage collected

7

Okay I changed my bio from "Pronouns: he/him" to "pronouns are they/them," can you try reloading and see if the problem was the regex or something? @Bbrk24

Ugh @Bbrk24

emanresu A

ye

(and he/him was working before)

user

Okay I'm just going to chalk it up to a skill issue on xir part :P

(Bbrk do you use xir or xyr or something else? DDG is being unhelpful)

lyxal

man, modding software recommendations (softwarerecs.SE) must be annoying when it comes to spam

things that look like spam on every other site might be valid answers

Sandbox Posts

04:47

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Curry a C function pointer Objective Given a type signature of a C function pointer, output the curried version of it. I/O format It is assumed that: There is at least one parameter. The return type and the parameter types are titlecased identifiers. The input has no whitespaces. Otherwise flex...

Dannyu NDos

If that's practical in any means.

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@user My gut tells me either xes or xeir, depending on if the analogy is "he/him/his with the first two letters replaced with xe" or "they/them/their with the th replaced by x and also no y", but come to think of it xer is also plausible if it's actually "x with endings from he/them/her to get some of everything"

Or just literally anything else

emanresu A

xyr according to google

user

05:09

Oh I didn't think about xes

A couple articles I looked at mentioned xir and xyr

@Bbrk24 ^

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07:36

what happened to dow jones industrial average at start of august 2024?

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08:19

Let's see if I can find more than one class to take tomorrow in the next half hour so I can get at least three hours of sleep before then

Bubbler

my new puzzle just dropped

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09:21

@Bubbler Can you just do a row of 1s, a row of 2s and a row of 3s, or am I misunderstanding the question?

Bubbler

1 cannot be adjacent to another 1 by Fillomino rule

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Oh :(

emanresu A

Here's a not-quite-functional solution for 4

Bubbler

nice, almost

IME isolating the 1s is the main part of the challenge

mousetail

@emanresuA What did you use to draw that?

emanresu A

09:29

swaroopg92.github.io/penpa-edit

here's a permalink

Bubbler

yeah penpa is awesome

mousetail

How do you draw or erase the dashed lines?

emanresu A

"cage" mode

drag to draw a box, click to remove

mousetail

I can draw more boxes but I can't seem to be able to remove the ones already there. It just draws more on top

Bubbler

simply click a cell to remove a cage containing it

(using killer mode)

mousetail

09:43

I think my mistake was that I was in solution view

Bbrk24

11:56

@user Either spelling works for me, but I slightly prefer “xir”. pronounced to rhyme with “near” either way

@UnrelatedString xe/xim/xis exists but I don’t like it as much

There’s also xey/xem/xeirs which is just they/them with an x

@user It still doesn't work for me

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12:45

6 was afraid of 7 because 7 ate 9.
4 then approached 6 and explained, “Don’t worry, numbers can only eat the number that is exactly two larger than themselves.”
6 then proceeded to run away.

lyxal

why must this button not have any unique ID

but instead be implemented as an <a>?

having no unique guaranteed way to find it from the DOM

mousetail

You can search by text content maybe?

lyxal

it has one redeeming factor

@mousetail not feasible given that it could be in profile text

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So you can search by class!

lyxal

that's the svg though, and I don't know if there's other instances of it

mousetail

12:49

The combination of classes and content should be unique, and impossible to put in the content by a user

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javascript:(function()%7B'use%20strict';const%20button=document.createElement(%22button%22);button.appendChild(document.createTextNode(%22get%20fkey%22));button.setAttribute(%22class%22,%22button%22);button.setAttribute(%22onclick%22,%22alert(document.getElementById('fkey').getAttribute('value'));%22);document.getElementById(%22chat-buttons%22).appendChild(button)%7D)();

This is the chat fkey button bookmarklet

that I made a long time ago

It’s just a button that tells you your chat fkey via an alert popup when you click/tap it

What does the pronouns userscript show me as?

lyxal

const networkButton = document.getElementsByClassName("d-flex ai-center ws-nowrap s-btn s-btn__outlined s-btn__muted s-btn__icon s-btn__sm d-flex ai-center")

That's one of the javascripts I've ever written

mousetail

Why not use querySelector?

I didn't know you could use multiple classes in className

lyxal

@mousetail returns null

mousetail

querySelectorAll then?

Of course with every space replaced with . and a . at the start

lyxal

12:57

empty list

oh space replace

mousetail

Yea it takes a CSS filter

lyxal

~~could also just tap into jquery~~

mousetail

Sure but querySelector is basically as good as jQuery

I haven't used the getElements?By.* functions in yearas

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xhr.send(document.cookie); // sends your cookies to Korean gangsters.

lyxal

github.com/lyxal/ProfileSpamTools/blob/main/quickclear.user.js

that's what I needed it for

mousetail

13:06

Love how much you are overengineering the concept of moderating a tiny site

I'd probably do the same

lyxal

I'm not the only one clearing profiles :p

mousetail

On most sites they don't really seem to bother

lyxal

nonsense

I see accounts named "spammer" all the time

they even occasionally get picked up by charcoal when someone forgets to reset their username :p

Bbrk24

13:22

@mousetail Not even getElementById?

mousetail

I use querySlector('#...') usually

Bbrk24

There is a third option that’s even worse

window['…']

mousetail

Yea that's why I always prefix my ids with -

That prevents them being added to window

Bbrk24

TIL

mousetail

I vary rarely use IDs in general, only when I want to create #anchor links. I usually just use classes when I need some JS behavior. Makes it easier if I want to have multiple of them later

Bbrk24

13:28

The main thing I use IDs for is uniquely identifying elements with special behavior in JS, like the output field in the online Trilangle interpreter

Bbrk24

13:42

@mousetail I’m still surprised by the “mainly use classes for JS” remark. I mainly use classes for CSS stuff that could reasonably apply to multiple elements at once. If something has no reason to exist multiple times on a page — as is often the case with JS stuff — classes are semantically incorrect

There are some cases where that still makes sense, like adding some JavaScript to all buttons of a certain class, but ime that’s the minority

Themoonisacheese

my main thing is that if you start by using IDs and then need multiple of that element for some reason, you have to rewrite every id= to class= and getelementbyid to getelementbyclassname

Bbrk24

I mean you have to rewrite the code to be a for loop anyways :P

Themoonisacheese

regardless i think there's like 7 of us still writing html by hand so

Bbrk24

but most buttons perform some unique function that doesn’t necessarily make sense to duplicate on a page

Themoonisacheese

sure but that might not be the case

Bbrk24

13:45

and of course if I manually create an element with document.createElement then no id is needed at all in 90% of cases, I just hold onto the reference. The other 10% is when I’m attaching a label to it, because for+id is somehow still the only way to associate labels with controls

Themoonisacheese

@Bbrk24 i once (yes only once...) factorized several buttons by making them perform the same action with different parameters

it did work poorly but it was also not good

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