The Nineteenth Byte

noodle person

00:01

I saw that it's great

I only have 23/100 challenges posted maybe I should do some more

I've been on kinda a hot streak recently

I have been writing a more complicated challenge for a couple days but it's not ready yet

The thing is, I don't think it's that complicated to solve, but it takes a lot of words to explain.

Almost all of my challenges have golfed specs

Bubbler

me at 6y5m and 967 answers, pretty close

caird coinheringaahin g

@emanresuA That was genuinely a module I did in 2nd year: Multivariable Calculus & Complex Functions :P

Bubbler

I guess being an esolang digger helps

like, when I see an underused esolang I go on a spree to answer some of the simplest challenges

caird coinheringaahin g

@UnrelatedString I may or may not have joined a queer frat (DLP) while studying in the US, and it was like, 6 trans guys and 2 enbies :P

Unrelated String

:P

@Bubbler Ooh, I always forget to do that

Think I did it with, like, Cascade once? And that was fun

caird coinheringaahin g

00:16

Also, I keep missing the gender discussions D:

Unrelated String

😔

~~never too late to start more~~

caird coinheringaahin g

True :P

emanresu A

Also, caird, I'm curious: As a maths major with interests in comsci, what do you plan to do after university?

caird coinheringaahin g

@emanresuA Currently, looking at doing more university :P

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xd

emanresu A

00:18

lol

caird coinheringaahin g

I'd like to do a phd, either over here, in europe or in the US, in pure math

After that, god knows

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~~another PhD~~

emanresu A

Okay, thanks :)

caird coinheringaahin g

Ideally, find some high paying job that I don't fully hate, likely biting my lip and doing software shit, or boring myself to death by going into finance

emanresu A

~~math is a gateway drug to more math~~

caird coinheringaahin g

00:19

It fully is

Dannyu NDos

@cairdcoinheringaahing Me too, but I'm still seeking for a topic.

caird coinheringaahin g

I've got a couple in mind

Likely something to do with differential algebra, or some hyper-specific subfield of number theory

Dannyu NDos

I cannot tell whether myself is just obsessed, or whether the topic is actually plausible.

I want to investigate into idempotent monoids, hence the recent post.

Category-theoretical investigation into those, to be specific.

caird coinheringaahin g

I still don't know whether I love or hate category theory :P

I do know that I personally wouldn't want to do any research based in a category-theoretic approach :P

user

Too bad, category theory is probably related somehow to whatever you research :P

Dannyu NDos

00:25

Believe me or not, this whole realm of category theory makes me think I am in the astral plane.

user

That's probably just the LSD

Dannyu NDos

Yeah, I mean, I can feel this without actually taking any drug.

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7 mins ago, by emanresu A

~~math is a gateway drug to more math~~

user

Gosh darn it I can't make a recursive message onebox

in Sandbox, 55 secs ago, by user

https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/66010195#66010195

lyxal

in Sandbox, 49 secs ago, by lyxal

28 secs ago, by lyxal

23 secs ago, by lyxal

19 secs ago, by lyxal

https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/66010206

Bbrk24

00:35

@UnrelatedString I know more transfems than transmascs online but irl it’s about even

lyxal

you can make a message that every time you change it, it'll go a level deeper

Unrelated String

Interesting

@Bbrk24 I meant to say interesting to this but it works both ways :P

Bbrk24

@cairdcoinheringaahing One thing I can’t remember if I’ve said here is that I haven’t met much of anyone else who identifies with the multigender label so that’s definitely the part of my identity that I feel the most alone in

caird coinheringaahin g

@Bbrk24 I've flipped flopped about with the genderqueer/genderfluid label tbh

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I can't clearly remember you saying anything about it but it also rings a bell, but it might also just ring a bell because I a priori would expect it to be rare

caird coinheringaahin g

00:44

Currently, I prefer enby, but I've had very masc and fem stages in my life before

Dannyu NDos

Regarding genders:

What gender does they look like?

noodle person

My friend was going by genderfluid for a while and wore little bracelets colored blue pink and there was another color for androgynous. But they always wore the blue one and then switched to just transmasc

Unrelated String

Interesting

The bracelet system itself, and it leading to that conclusion

Bbrk24

I’ve heard of the bracelet thing

My main issue with it is I don’t like bracelets (or most jewelry tbh) for sensory reasons

lyxal

@noodleperson ngl thought this said braces

Unrelated String

00:56

@Bbrk24 understandable

It's been ages since I've tried any kind of accessory come to think of it

Outside of a smartwatch

Bbrk24

I haven’t had any watch since middle school

I’d be amenable to a smart watch if they weren’t so expensive

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real

lyxal

There's good deals on the galaxy watch range from time to time

At least here there are

Bbrk24

thing is I have an iPhone

so I probably would need an Apple Watch

lyxal

Apple watch SE is only 249usd rn (here at least)

Bbrk24

01:01

lemme look it up

lyxal

It's on special rn

50 aud off

So probably only really 30usd off

Assuming a rough 1.5 multiplier conversion rate

Bbrk24

> starting at $249

huh...

lyxal

40mm gps no cellular I imagine

Bbrk24

yep

noodle person

249 bucks isn't nothing... I guess it depends how much you want a smart watch

Bbrk24

01:04

even just the same features on the 44mm is $30 more

lyxal

unless the size is a problem, that's fine for most cases

Bbrk24

and adding cellular is $50

lyxal

realistically, you never really need cellular on a smartwatch

noodle person

Can it take calls or send texts? Does it just tell you the time and the weather?

And let you change which song you have in your headphones or whatever?

Unrelated String

Yeah you really don't need a watch to be feature-rich when it's just a more convenient way to interface with a couple things your phone does

Bbrk24

01:05

^^can it do notifs without cellular?

lyxal

if you have your phone connected, yes

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@noodleperson I regularly do both of those but I have no idea how well they work on cellular without being in phone range

lyxal

my galaxy 6 classic does all of those things and it doesn't have cellular

Bbrk24

@noodleperson You can just double-press the headphones button to skip

lyxal

I speak from experience when I say it may not be neccesary

Bbrk24

01:06

noodle person

@Bbrk24 /shrug ig

Bbrk24

huh

lyxal

@noodleperson you don't need cellular for that

Unrelated String

I think my current Apple Watch does have cellular but I don't think I've ever once had occasion to use the cellular

noodle person

oh wait no /shrug on sechat duh

Unrelated String

01:06

crazy

lyxal

@noodleperson either a) phone connection or b) you can connect the watch directly to the earbuds/headphones (depending on company and ecosystem support)

Bbrk24

I guess for the few things I'd use it for idk if I can justify spending $250

Unrelated String

It's super nice for like peeking push notifications and whatever but yeah it's hard to say if it's $250 nice

lyxal

@Bbrk24 I'd go for one of the textile bands

rubber is eh it's okay but like once you've experienced things like fabric or faux leather, it's hard to see it the same

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I'm used to rubber and the one fabric option I tried felt weird because I'm used to rubber, but rubber is in and of itself pretty ?????

Like the zero breathability seems like it has some effect on my skin

lyxal

01:13

it gets the job done, but you can do so much better

Bbrk24

I'm texture sensitive so I'd need to feel them before making a decision

Unrelated String

Yeahhhh

lyxal

real

emanresu A

@noodleperson There's a userscript for that

lyxal

fabric band is more versatile though

at least, samsung's take on it is

Seggan

01:16

@emanresuA ded

lyxal

why not just link the github raw link

emanresu A

That was the link I copied from the userscript itself, whoops

lyxal

also, my userscript titled Lyxal's First and Probably Only Userscript is now inaccurate

I've made 4 since then :p

Seggan

finally finished my kotlin chat client, now for the fun part

documentation

Ginger

02:01

@Seggan @lyxal I've got a great idea for Vyxal Bot 3!

lyxal

What's it?

Ginger

kotlin :3

lyxal

infinitely extends time of development hiatus

Ginger

NOOOOO

I mean, my server's still on Stack's hitlist, so it wouldn't matter anyway :p

any news on that btw?

lyxal

None that I've seen

emanresu A

02:07

At least you have an archive of all of chat

Ginger

as of half a year ago

lyxal

@Ginger last update was in June when it was internally escalated

Seggan

Anyway @everyone, as I have leaked, I have a fancy new chat library written in Kotlin called kasey. You should totally check it out. It's not feature complete yet, notably missing RO tools and user info, but it has most of everything else.

lyxal

@Ginger I'll ask the cm if there's been any progress

Ginger

thank ye

lyxal

02:13

Asked

Now we wait

Ginger

my favorite activity

@Seggan I'm so tempted to port vyxal bot to this

wait why are room numbers unsigned lmao

Unrelated String

I take it there's a handful of special negative rooms like the negative user IDs?

Ginger

not to my knowledge

but using unsigned integers like that is a bad idea :p

Unrelated String

:p

lyxal

If there are, I doubt any user made chatbot will be able to use them :p

Ginger

02:20

well yeah, he doesn't know anything about chat's internals

lyxal

I mean, afaik there's no negative room ids

Even the private mod stuff like TL is positive (4)

Ginger

to my knowledge, only user IDs can be negative

noodle person

> main/kotlin/io/github/seggan/kasey

is kotlin usually like this?

Ginger

JVM languages are usually like that, yeah :p

unless you're lyxal

noodle person

where you have a ton of directories with nothing in them

lyxal

02:22

See this guy gets it

It's one of the things I appreciate about golang

No frick ahh directories

Ginger

erm

noodle person

I think I would like golang. I haven't tried it

lyxal

It's package structure

Ginger

it's idiomatic or something

I don't care because my IDE collapses nested empty directories :b

noodle person

I only really use TypeScript and Uiua

and Uiua I haven't used for any real projects

so really I just use TypeScript

lyxal

02:24

@noodleperson from the little time I spent with it, it looks mostly fine

I'd like it to have better containers and lists though

noodle person

Maybe. I remember there was an essay about why it's bad but I always take those with a grain of salt

golang.sucks maybe

lyxal

It doesn't have things like built-in functional programming like you can do in python or scala

Ginger

name a language and there's an essay about why it's the scum of the earth

noodle person

Probably not Uiua

Ginger

golang isn't very good though :p

@noodleperson you'd better start writing

noodle person

02:26

but there are probably extended hackernews comments about it lol

which could arguably be called essays

A lot of people just discredit array languages off the bat because they use glyphs or weird symbols

and there are probably many essays about that

@Ginger Unary?

Ginger

Language Design Rule 34: if a programming language exists there's an essay about why it sucks

if not, start writing

noodle person

I should do a Uiua sucks essay a la htmx sucks

Seggan

@Ginger uhh because they are unsigned? why is that a problem

lyxal

@noodleperson there's something to be said about inconveniencing users with boxes and the inability to have a normal array of strings with different lengths

Seggan

@Ginger o yeah forgot that :skull:

@Ginger no i dont i just ripped off sechat and chatexchange :P

@Ginger because unsigned numbers in kotlin exist, they are really underused, and room numbers are always positive

@Ginger wait, but can chat user ids be negative?

noodle person

02:32

@lyxal I get that but it lets you do really nice stuff

I think the tradeoff is worth it because boxes are really not much of a pain to deal with

content and inventory solve everything

Ginger

wow! five pings

@Seggan all you're doing is introducing extra inlined code

the docs specifically say not to use unsigned numbers like that

@Seggan yeah

Seggan

Ok fiine I'll change it tomorrow

Also fiine on my phone looks really cursed

lyxal

@noodleperson they do, but I'd argue you shouldn't need to use extra modifiers in the first place

noodle person

But its so nice to be able to express the shape of an array as a list of ints

(nonnegative ints)

Seggan

@Ginger tbf that code adds literally 0 performance penalty

Ginger

02:45

yeah yeah ik, it's About The Principle

Kotlin's unsigned number types are a contrivance to make JVM number primitives behave the same way that they do in every other popular language

lyxal

@noodleperson in languages without a strict array model, you rarely need to worry about shape

Ginger

they should be treated like they are: a fix to a stupid problem that most people don't need to worry about

lyxal

Like jelly: shape is very rarely something you ever think about

Seggan

If I could go back in time I would put Gosling at gunpoint and force him to add unsigned numbers to java

lyxal

Uiua feels like a language where it's fun to think in terms of arrays for principle, but in practice, you can get things done using plain old ragged lists

In potentially simpler ways

Ginger

02:53

@Seggan TRUE

noodle person

@lyxal shape isn't something you worry about, it's something you take advantage of

lyxal

If you want elegant solutions, sure. But if you just want to get the job (or even the joj) done, you might as well use something more dynamic

noodle person

Uiua and Vyxal have different goals :P

@lyxal (or even get the ∘)

lyxal

@noodleperson Obviously, but if you want an essay talking about why uiua bad, the array model is what I'd start with

Even apl allows for more freeform bs

noodle person

I have never had problems with the array model really

lyxal

02:59

@noodleperson ah, but can you do that one all over again?

noodle person

I don't get the reference?

lyxal

The joj

noodle person

but what is the joj

I just saw you changed the b to j and wanted to change it to a t

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The yoy

noodle person

lol

lyxal

03:01

@noodleperson you clearly need foundation repair

Otherwise you'll be 100% unsatisfied

Ginger

guaranteed

lyxal

And you won't be able to do it 15 times all over again

Ginger

how else will you get the joj done right

noodle person

I'm going to ignore this because you are you :-)

5

lyxal

Honestly you need to care about the joj more than anything else

Ginger

03:02

be like HoH SiS, they know what they're doing

2

noodle person

I know the kind of stuff you know that I don't need to know

lyxal

@Ginger especially given that in northern Texas there is no one with an A+ rating with the better business bureau

@noodleperson you need to do do the foundation repair

noodle person

is this SCP or something

(I don't know what that stands for but I've heard of it vaguely)

lyxal

No

It's HoH SiS

Ginger

they get the joj done right

lyxal

03:08

Don't make us explain this all over again

noodle person

okay I have googled and I have learned that it's like an in-joke which I don't really feel like spending my time unless it's hilarious in which case I'd like a heads-up

lyxal

[YTP] No one needs foundation repair

►

You too can be enlightened about the joj

noodle person

is it funny?

Ginger

for some definition of funny

noodle person

listen I'm all for weird internet humor if it's funny

but it's gotta be funny

I don't need to be in this rabbithole

unless its funny

lyxal

03:13

it's one of the most classic ytps of all time

The birth of a lot of internet trends

That should speak to its humour

noodle person

...I'll give it a look later

Sandbox Posts

03:38

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

A spigot algorithm for the digits of \$\pi\$ code-golf math sequence rational-numbers pi The spigot algorithm for the digits of \$\pi\$ is an interesting algorithm found by Stanley Rabinowitz and Stan Wagon in 1995. It can generate the decimal digits of \$\pi\$ one by one without storing the pre...

lyxal

04:14

6

thanks duckduckgo

emanresu A

04:59

Nothing's ever going to beat my "prolog to wasm" giving directions to Germany

att

06:44

@cairdcoinheringaahing easy to bore yourself to death if you end up with the wrong software too :)

l4m2

08:35

Do practical 6-bit language (fortran, etc.) count as 6-bit or 8-bit or decided by answerer?

emanresu A

If you can create a 6-bit encoding for it, feel free to use that

mousetail

People usually score BF as 8 bit even though it's effectively 3 bit

l4m2

Six-bit character code

A six-bit character code is a character encoding designed for use on computers with word lengths a multiple of 6. Six bits can only encode 64 distinct characters, so these codes generally include only the upper-case letters, the numerals, some punctuation characters, and sometimes control characters. The 7-track magnetic tape format was developed to store data in such codes, along with an additional parity bit. An early six-bit binary code was used for Braille, the reading system for the blind that was developed in the 1820s. The earliest computers dealt with numeric data only, and made no provision...

What if Braille write lowercase as shiftdown, with some changes to avoid collision? E.g. CwSO4 ⠉⠴⠎⠝⠹ (u and a collide so w is used instead)

Dot 6 indicates a number. w is moved from ⠺ to ⠾

emanresu A

09:04

showerthoughts.SE at it again

Dannyu NDos

09:58

My recent post hit HNQ, and I miss Snowpaw.

lyxal

11:47

I've reached peak SE chat no lifer levels

I had a chat room open on my phone, was in the process of opening my laptop lid, and tried scrolling the laptop lid thinking it'd move my phone screen

Themoonisacheese

me when i stop looking at reddit on the computer screen only to open reddit on my phone

noodle person

13:44

Ugh, today's kids are forgetting the old-fashioned art of absentmindedly reading the same half-page of a book over and over and then letting your attention wander and picking up another book.

@emanresuA did you see Ginger's "^C" on Bing? (I don't want to say what is was but try it yourself)

ah nevermind it doesn't work anymore

it used to say something I think is inappropriate for this chatroom but I think it's on the starboard on the discord

Bbrk24

discord.com/channels/133419285409169408/133419285409169408/… if you're on the server

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