The Nineteenth Byte

Ginger

00:04

no, you're supposed to all hate it, like in the stereotype!

:p

user

Good pun (that was a pun, right?)

lyxal

@user you right

user

No, I'm user :P

lyxal

ah my bad I left the edit info page open again

see that's why

Bbrk24

Civet’s goofiest feature is that another spelling of foo.bar is foo’s bar

(no, the curly quote is not a mistake)

Ginger

00:13

why

lyxal

why not?

user

Easter egg or real feature?

Bbrk24

real feature

's works too but ’s has higher shock value

lyxal

but what if it isn't foo's bar?

what if baz passed its bar to foo

Bbrk24

a more useful one is that foo@bar is short for foo.bar.bind(foo)

user

00:17

Ah, like :: in Java

Bbrk24

T:: for T.prototype is available behind the 'civet coffeePrototype' directive

I think they're reserving :: without that flag for typing within object literals?

i.e. { x:: number: 1 }

but that doesn't exist yet

Neil

@DannyuNDos Terminal ;-)

Bbrk24

@Bbrk24 nvm, it's the fact that the config file is 🐈.json

user

00:35

Ginger

tragic wormhole 2 is now available :3

lmk if you find any bugs or the like

here's a test file:

(it errored lmao)

Bbrk24

Me, about to click "download": It's a rickroll isn't it

it autoplayed as soon as it finished downloading

lyxal

00:53

I didn't realise software testing was so adventure oriented

bros are out here hunting and killing mutants

Ginger

whar

Bbrk24

I took a testing & QA class last year and I got a couple good screenshots of my textbook for that exact thing

lyxal

> Our goal is to kill all mutants.

> The more mutants we can kill, the higher the quality of our tests.

lyxal

01:08

→ 42 messages moved to Tragic Wormhole 2 Chat

Ginger

lol

lyxal

just before it gets too conversational

ah missed one

→ 1 message moved to Tragic Wormhole 2 Chat

that's the kind of room moderation that should have happened instead of TST :p

Dannyu NDos

03:06

Cursed idea: A terminal that works like Microsoft Word.

So \t would introduce a table cell, and \v would be a table-row-feed.

And it would have pages as well; \f shall introduce a next page.

\r would clear the terminal screen (including pages), and \0 shall exit.

Sandbox Posts

04:15

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Ultra-modular representative of rational numbers Objective Given a rational number, output the corresponding representative in the additive (abelian) quotient group \$\mathbb{Q} / \mathbb{Z}[1/2]\$. \$\mathbb{Q}\$ is the additive group of rational numbers, and \$\mathbb{Z}[1/2]\$ is the additive ...

Dannyu NDos

Freakin' abstract algebra. I dunno laymen terms.

lyxal

I just tried to npm run dev on a react app thinking it was svelte

javascript ecosystems man

emanresu A

@SandboxPosts Even as someone who understands all the terminology I find it hard to understand what this is

Dannyu NDos

Huh?

Rydwolf Programs

04:44

@Bbrk24 I believe I read that was debunked

But take that with a few grains of salt lol

@Bbrk24 The latter and as a sort of reference to a song

lyxal

@Rosario welcome to The Nineteenth Byte! Is this your first time visting chat?

Rydwolf Programs

(Not That Kind of Girl by My Chemical Romance, which as a fun bit of trivia later evolved into a song called Gun. [period included])

lyxal

I thought the link url ended with go/outside

and was questioning why docker is requesting I touch grass

although it makes sense given docker never seems to want to play nice

mfw I forget to start localstack with strict CORS off

lyxal

05:14

CORS IS NO MATCH AGAINST MY LOOSE PERMISSIONS!

YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER MY LOCALHOST AND LOCALSTACK INSTANCES ANY MORE SECURE WEB PROGRAMMING PRACTICES!

woo! local testing of aws products!

it's disabled cors checks all the way down

my localstack docker container is being called with cors checks disabled, the lambda url is being created will all cors domains allowed, and the lambda response is returning cors-allow-cross-origin *

it takes a lot to put yourself in a situation where you can shoot yourself in the foot

Rydwolf Programs

06:23

CORS is pain

The preflight check existing too just adds injury to insult

mousetail

@RydwolfPrograms I run a CORS proxy on my server so I can just avoid the issue for my small scale projects. Highly recommend it

Rydwolf Programs

ooh that's neat

mousetail

My old projects before I had it had a list of like 20 existing CORS proxies and just tried them one by one until one worked. Hosting it yourself avoids relying on unreliable free services

RubenVerg

09:45

@lyxal I've been doing mostly Deno for a while so every time I open a svelte project I instinctively type deno task dev

and actually with all the Deno/node interop I wouldn't be surprised if it actually worked

maybe once I should try it

l4m2

So flat vote

Is cyclic duplicate still possible if the later closed one is 4 dup vote and 1 for another reason?

emanresu A

10:10

→ 1 turtle eaten by a python

New Posts

13:19

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Q: Error: the server's response cannot be decoded

Today, there was a problem with TIO/Try It Online: Every program I ran (except for the default Hello World) gave me an error, which said that the server's response cannot be decoded! Your challenge here is to implement a simple stack-based language, however on the 10th to 20th of May (dates inclu...

l4m2

13:32

@NewPosts on topic but too much a random combination

RubenVerg

it's a confusing challenge; the stack part seems interesting but the "it doesn't work on some days" thing is completely random and makes no sense

could this be two challenges? a) implement the stack lang and b) output whether the date is between 10 and 20 may?

primarily because the challenge set as it is excludes many languages from participating in an otherwise interesting challenge

noodle man

14:20

I think "between 10 and 20 may" is basically a duplicate

Idr what for though

Ginger

15:55

wuh

why is Cloudflare triggering on the image domain

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Q: Cloudflare is causing i.sstatic.net images to return 429s

After loading a chat transcript with a large number of images, requests to i.sstatic.net have started returning 429s and a Cloudflare CAPTCHA check, which... seems to defeat the point of a dedicated image hosting service? See also Cloudflare protection is triggering on Stack Overflow authenticati...

bug chat captcha image-uploader cloudflare

thanks stack

Rydwolf Programs

18:35

@l4m2 I could see a case for opinion-based too lol

Ginger

@Ginger fairly sure that TW2 had a hand in triggering this for me, since it fetches every image sent in a message twice

well, the browser fetches the image once and TW2 fetches it again

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah that's not good design

Ginger

there's not really an alternative :p

TW2 needs the raw image data to do its magic

saying that does make me realize that it doesn't currently handle non-PNG images very gracefully, I should probably fix that

Rydwolf Programs

Hmm, now that I think about it you might be right

Only solution I can think of is to use an actual chrome extension instead of a userscript

Ginger

ye

Rydwolf Programs

18:41

Which probably isn't worth it

Ginger

Cloudflare still shouldn't be doing that, though :b

Rydwolf Programs

I wonder if the raw image data gets stored in RAM at all

Ginger

might get cached

Rydwolf Programs

I mean, I'd assume it is. What if the image gets resized?

Ginger

wdym?

Rydwolf Programs

18:43

Like I'd assume it stores the raw image data in RAM, not just a bitmap of it

Since it might have to re-render the image if the image resizes

Ginger

the browser? no clue

that's an implementation detail d:

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah, I'm just curious if the browser would need to know the image data for any reason, since that might hint at a possible way of finding it

Have you tried converting to a blob/dataurl?

Ginger

what, the image element? I don't seen an API for that

ig you could do it with canvases

Rydwolf Programs

Oh, yeah, now that I think about it that'd be a security issue

Ginger

but that feels even jankier q:

Rydwolf Programs

18:47

Since then you can attempt to load any image file as an image (which bypasses CORS) then read its raw contents

You can't even extract data from a canvas which has had a CORS image drawn on it

Ginger

oh yeah lol

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger You'd lose the other segments of it tho ofc so that's kinda useless here (but it is the normal technique yeah)

Ginger

already enough magic going on in that script as-is

Rydwolf Programs

Alternative approach, if you could get to the image before the browser, is to load the image once then change the src to a blob/data URL

Would take some work to make it at smooth and fast as no middleman tho

And you'd have to do some stuff with preloads probably

Ginger

that's possible (since the script can load before the body), but I don't think it's worth the effort

did you know? CHAT eventHandlerHooks are fired before master-chat does its own handling, so the script has to use setTimeout(..., 0) to wait for a page refresh so it can actually replace the message element

I wonder if it would be possible to make, like, mappings for master-chat

like Minecraft :p

Ghidra.js when

Ginger

19:05

@RydwolfPrograms the bakde pottato is borked D:

no hotlinking allowed

also this is me reminding you yet again to update Who's Typing

Ginger

19:28

wait did hyper change their pronouns

or am I hallucinating

noodle man

POV you're generative ai

Unrelated String

i think they changed a while back but i forget if anyone noticed here or if it was just on the particle collider

Ginger

after some very normal and non-creepy checking of archive.org and GitHub I have determined that they changed their SE profile after May 7th, but their website on March 5th

Unrelated String

neat

that's a funny pair of dates for some reason

noodle man

19:59

3/5 5/7

both are pairs of increasing odd numbers

user

@Ginger Is this Ghidra written in JS, or Ghidra for JS?

Ginger

Ghidra for JS

Unrelated String

@noodleman and considering they share a 5, i guess they're also two linked pairs of twin primes that i was about to call a prime triplet until i looked it up and found out that means something a bit wider specifically so as to not definitionally only be 3 5 7

...and if you write them with slashes, they look like fractions which multiply to 3/7

Ginger

20:55

iranian president may or may not be dead

Unrelated String

oh

...also til that 1. iran has a president and 2. the official title held by khomeini and khamenei is straight up "supreme leader"

(although it seems like "exalted leader" might be a more accurate translation? i don't speak farsi)

Ginger

what a title

Rydwolf Programs

21:35

> Tender crispy chicken sauteed in the chef's special sauce ...

Ginger

21:59

whar

ATaco

Huh, the post about working with Open AI is the second lowest scoring post on the Meta

Bbrk24

TIL it doesn't show the minus for sufficiently large numbers when you show up- and downvotes separately

ATaco

It's nuzzled between two Monica Cellio posts, so clearly the community is very keen for this.

hyper-neutrino

22:16

damn, 48942 upvotes

lyxal

23:04

Rydwolf Programs

Am I the only one who doesn't actually care about the OpenAI thing

Like they gotta make money and this does not hurt my experience on the platform

Also I don't think people are understanding the part about integrating SO into OpenAI's products

I read that as it being like a plug-in that returns stuff from SO directly, not just training LLMs on SO answers which they're probably doing anyway

lyxal

@RydwolfPrograms no

There's other people

It's just that the post has been greatly misunderstood

Everyone is assuming what is happening with the deal when no one even knows SE side afaik

@RydwolfPrograms this is most likely the intended use case

RAG technology

Also, the fact it's open ai probably doesn't help

Like the Google partnership only got -400 or so downvotes and didn't cause too much noise or mass vandalism

Yes there was skepticism but it mostly went by unnoticed

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