The Nineteenth Byte

Rydwolf Programs

00:42

@Simd FWIW any compiler from the last like fifty years is gonna know how to do most constant folding

AviFS

00:54

@RydwolfPrograms o/////////

lyxal

@AviFS avifs

AviFS

@lyxal lyxal!!!

lyxal

AviFS :pppp

AviFS

wahoo!! my people

Unrelated String

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

AviFS

00:59

cool pfp btw, what does it stand for?

@UnrelatedString heyooo!!!

and hi everyone else! pardon my random appearances please

oh, how's langdev going btw, guys?

lyxal

@AviFS generate all primes up to a given number

AviFS

@lyxal in what lang!

lyxal

Which one do you think? :p

@AviFS it's going good. Could use a bit more activity

But good nonetheless

AviFS

@lyxal vyxal, of course! i just didn't recognize that second symbol-- i just realized it's an ae glyph

lyxal

@AviFS it took me a few attempts to actually draw it lol

AviFS

01:07

i'm gonna give this one a shot if anyone wants to join me!

Ginger

@AviFS yooo

welcome back!

AviFS

Variant Sudoku that Cracking the Cryptic solved in 10 minutes

Ginger

@AviFS well, I got elected as an RO of the main room

so I'd say pretty well :p

AviFS

Link to puzzle

@Ginger hi!!!!

@Ginger thank you, if only!

@Ginger nice, congrats! that's so super awesome.

@Ginger hahaha

Ginger

mmm pings

lyxal

01:10

@AviFS I also have RO abilities in the garbage collector. Ginger doesn't have all the fun yknow :p

Ginger

*cough*

<whisper>has he noticed</whisper>

AviFS

wait, do we know that any non-caged numbers are not friendly

lyxal

@Ginger ~~doubtful~~

Ginger

<whisper>I'm sure he'll catch on soon</whisper>

AviFS

i have most definitely not noticed whatever it is i'm supposed to be noticing

Ginger

01:16

don't worry, you'll see it eventually

lyxal

Hopefully :p

Ginger

you have entirely too much fun with this, yknow

AviFS

@AviFS i'm stuck

Ginger

no, you're AviFS

AviFS

trying to figure out how to start

@Ginger XD

try it!

lyxal

01:21

@Ginger perhaps :p

AviFS

i'm already at 10 minutes and i haven't placed a single number

lyxal

1

I placed one for you

@AviFS also how do you notice that but not the thing Ginger and I are talking about

AviFS

@lyxal wait, that you're a mod?!

lyxal

bazinga :p

AviFS

aaaaaaahhhhhhhh

lyxal

01:29

why else do you think I DM'd you on discord about the PLDI site? :p

AviFS

lyxal

good job on the transpernt background :p

AviFS

ikr hahaha, that was brutal

i just google imaged it ftw, but i assumed the checker meant it was transparent, haha

not sure what went wrong there xd

@RydwolfPrograms rydwolffffff

lyxal

code that I wrote today

AviFS

looks very javascripty

fp will be the death of us all

lyxal

01:35

it's javascript without the script

AviFS

oh

yes ofc my bad hahah

well not ofc, just the Process type ig

lyxal

it's a uh class I made

not a java built-in type

AviFS

i've not seen java that functional

it has stream and filter...

ohhhhh, you added those to the class?

that's way cool!!

no wonder you're showing it off

lyxal

oh no stream and filter

AviFS

that's awesome

lyxal

01:37

those are built-in

processes is an arraylst

AviFS

oh, they are?

lyxal

the Process noFramesProcess is mine

java streams are a thing

hyper-neutrino introduced me to java streams in 2021 :p

AviFS

huh. i didn't know it had that! i've not honestly seen that side of java

just tedious oop stuff we did in school, ig

lyxal

this is for uni mind you. I'm showing uni that there's more to java than OOP :p

AviFS

that's awesome, haha

i will never like java (i hope) but i'm always in favor of thwarting school authorities

Sandbox Posts

01:41

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Minecraft XP Orb Amounts code-golf sequence In the video game Minecraft, the player can obtain experience points (XP) from various activities. In the game, these are provided as XP "orbs" of various sizes, each of which give the player various amounts of XP. The possible orbs are shown in the ima...

Unrelated String

@AviFS streams can be a bit clunky around the edges, but by around the edges i mean literally at the edges between them and normal java where the intrinsic jank just catches up to it

they make writing java immeasurably more tolerable

lyxal

out of context java be like

Sandbox Posts

02:12

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Make Code Printing X without X code-golf The challenge is simple: write a program which takes in some string \$n\$ consisting of only uppercase and lowercase letters, and outputs the code for a program (in the same language) which takes in no input and outputs \$n\$. However, the code your progra...

noodle man

02:27

i think codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/138827/108687 should be closed as a dupe of codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/263283/108687, what do you think? they are basically the same but the latter requires escaping and stuff

lyxal

02:57

They're different in that the meta-cat also has output size as a score

the older challenge doesn't care about output size

noodle man

03:29

true

The Empty String Photographer

09:34

I’m thinking of a python variant where everything can be overloaded. Yes, even functions!

mousetail

Can't you already do that?

Also how do you overload anything besides a function

docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html#typing.overload

lyxal

@mousetail import could be overloaded to help with getting items through customs quicker

mousetail

I hate it when modules I want to load get stuck in customs.

lyxal

import illegal_drugs as iphone_15s

And that'd be enough to fool port authorities

mousetail

There was a time when some encryption algorithms where only allowed to be used in certain countries as they where considered military assets. Imagine if you still had to verify your nationality every time you wanted to download some library that used RSA

lyxal

09:39

How would they manage to police that?

Because what counts as an RSA algorithm?

VTC as needs detail or clarity

mousetail

The export ban was lifted because it was impossible to enforce

But maybe in an alternate universe they doubled down

It would still only be illegal as in drugs, everyone would still do it

lyxal

@mousetail I coulda told them it's impossible to enforce - if there's one thing code golf has taught me it's that banning built-ins never works :p

mousetail

Go tell the EU chat protection people

lyxal

That seems more like breaking privacy than banning specific algorithms

There's no code golf equivalent for that :p

mousetail

Well it effectively bans end-to-end encryption

lyxal

09:50

That's a bit of a grey area. On one hand you've got the obvious problem with having backdoors like that. But on the other hand, you've got the problem that people can communicate criminal activity without possibility of ever knowing. I don't know what the answer is there

mousetail

It's only going to infringe the privacy of innocent people, the actual criminals will encrypt their messages legal or not

lyxal

10:18

Yeah, after doing some thinking about it, undermining E2EE is silly. Creating a backdoor will only help catch the low hanging fruit criminals who probably would have slipped up anyway. The real dangerous ones that banning E2EE claims to catch would smarten up and yeah start using more underground methods becoming even less detectable

It'd be survival of the fittest and the fittest would be even stronger than before

At least with apps like Telegram, some percentage of the real bad ones will have some personal information on telegram's servers

No point ruining it for everyone when it would ultimately make things harder

The Empty String Photographer

11:19

@mousetail I mean if someone defined a function banana, you can overload what it does by adding the method __banana__ to you class.

mousetail

That's pointless, why not just call x.banana()

Google polymorphism

The Empty String Photographer

@mousetail maybe you want print(Monkey()) to output Banana!. In this case, Monkey().__print__() wouldn’t cut it.

mousetail

Why not Monkey().print()

There is really no benefit in making the syntax more confusing

The Empty String Photographer

@mousetail wouldn’t cut it either. Maybe you want to make it easier to do a one-size-fits-all thing.

mousetail

That would cut it, it's what is always done

Adding another level of indirection would only make things more confusing

docs.python.org/3/library/abc.html

Simd

11:25

@lyxal there is a problem with the vast number of men involved in paedophilia. They might be long hanging fruit

mousetail

Even the low hanging fruit will immediately switch to illegal chat platforms

They don't have to be less user friendly, you don't need to be technical

The Empty String Photographer

But I’m also thinking of the ability of binding a function to a new or existing keyword/operator.

Simd

@mousetail I don't know how easy it would be to catch people using illegal chat platforms but I guess it makes the prosecution simpler

like catching Al Capone for tax evasion

mousetail

Telegram is the most popular chat app in Russia despite being banned there

Simd

@mousetail are you sure? independent.co.uk/tech/…

mousetail

11:32

It's been banned and unbanned many times, not sure what the current state is

Simd

the wiki says it has been unbanned since 2020

The ISPs know where you are connecting to I guess

which is why Tor has all those "bridge nodes"

The Empty String Photographer

11:52

object = 5
del object
print(object)

Why does the object class still exist?

mousetail

12:14

Interesting, because it's in an outer scope I guess

Neil

13:16

del's syntax probably accepts any lvalue but it only works properly on properties

mousetail

del works on variables too

It does delete the variable but the variable from builtins is still in scope

Neil

ah right I misunderstood the question

Simd

14:00

7 hours since an update on main....

The Empty String Photographer

import __main__
__main__.update = "an update on main!"

Simd

That's what we need!

Simd

15:08

Now 8 hours

What is the record?

It's 21 seconds on SO

Simd

16:00

9 hours....

Simd

16:52

10...

Ginger

17:09

sometimes, there just isn't activity on main

you don't need to make noise about it

Simd

18:15

@Ginger and now there is! :)

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Q: Is it a Valid Crossword Grid?

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The Empty String Photographer

18:46

CMQ: Should decision-problem also include categorisation problems? (e.g. -1 if num is negative, 0 if num is 0, 1 if num is positive)

mousetail

NO, the IO rules for decision-problem would not apply

Simd

19:05

I don't know the person but I feel that codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/265865/116117 needs more upvotes

it's a very good answer

Neil

20:12

Windows really doesn't like running out of disk space. The console gui crashed out and I could only reboot because I was able to remote desktop in.

Unrelated String

yep lmao

Dannyu NDos

21:00

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer We already have a tag for classification so

Neil

21:21

bah, and now it wants to install updates

Sandbox Posts

22:55

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

This is my first time here, as this was originally a pure math question that I figured would be more likely to be answered on this site. Chaitin's incompleteness theorem states that for any theory whose axioms can be computed by a computer program (e.g. Peano arithmetic, ZFC, etc.), there exists ...

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