The Nineteenth Byte

Jo King

00:49

@ATaco wait, you mean it isn't that every digit is an instruction that multiplies the previous calculation by 10 and adds itself? weird

ATaco

I've had to do that for a handful of languages, shockingly.

Jo King

i've seen it in a few 2D langs, but i haven't seen a lang where something like (1+2)2 = 32

ATaco

Never underestimate how bad I am at programming

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Dannyu NDos

02:50

I got Fanatic badge. Yay!

lyxal

03:13

My fanatic badge process is currently at 461%

It'd be 1500% but I accidentally missed a day last July

And that missed day was only because of having covid :p

noodle man

03:57

i got fanatic quite a while ago now, i took a break when i went on vacation in august

i have 55 streak rn

lyxal

imagine not visiting the site almost every day for the last 4 years :p

noodle man

can relate to not that

unrelatedly: i’m going to start doing a lot of golfscript submissions

mostly because the typescript playground doesn’t work on my phone so TIO is the best way to golf in english class :p

caird coinheringaahin g

@lyxal In theory, whenever I open my laptop, it should register a site visit due to GRT. In practicality, it often doesn't :/

lyxal

imagine needing a userscript to build your streak :p

caird coinheringaahin g

I mean, I have these tabs open all the time :P

The second Sandbox post and the second Math.SE one are thanks to a long-in-writing challenge idea :P

lyxal

04:09

your tabs remind me of a person in the same classes as me at high school. he had like 3 chrome windows with a horrible amount of tabs always open in each window. It was absolutely bonkers how many tabs he had

caird coinheringaahin g

I currently have 2 windows open. The first has 22 tabs, the second 17

lyxal

yeah he had more than that

still, 39 tabs?! that's like 39 extra processes running on your computer eating your ram :p

caird coinheringaahin g

dw, I download more ram every week

guest4308

05:48

don't feel bad about your number of tabs, right now I have 423 tabs open and I regularly use like, most of them.

(I only know how many tabs I have because one of my tabs is for managing how many resources each of my tabs gets)

they are broken up into 6 windows each for a different topic, and each window is split up into sub-groups using tab groups

lyxal

423?!

How do you manage to mentally keep track of which tab is open and where?

guest4308

by having them in separate windows with tab groups

most tabs have different icons, and if a long run of one website starts, then I start to restructure so that they get broken up

I don't think I'd be able to survive without alt-tab

(the key combination, I'm realizing there's probably some kind of extension with that name but I don't really use extensions often)

it's honestly the main reason I can't switch to something firefox flavored; I've tried several times but it just doesn't allow nearly enough tabs per window for my workflow, even when you modify the "minimum tab width" setting it still takes so much more space than chrome

Unrelated String

06:11

damn

lyxal

Guess I'm just a tab minimalist then

Unrelated String

i'm probably in the 400s range with tabs right now too but that's just because i cba to close ones that are between ones i will go back to :P

lyxal

I can't handle more than 8 or so tabs open. Makes the tab bar too squished up (in any browser)

Those tabs are usually mod flags page, this room, a secondary chat room, yt, uni stuff, and a new tab page

But any more than that and it starts to feel like there's too much open

guest4308

you keep a new tab page open? or are you saying that's just like, a wildcard?

lyxal

It's the literal new tab page so I have an empty tab to search from

That and it just happens to be open sometimes

Neil

06:16

@lyxal huh, I'm back at 99% - I wonder what I was doing 100 days ago

guest4308

y'know, you can just hit ctrl+t and it just automatically brings you to a search bar of a new tab

lyxal

Same could be said about using the bookmarks feature :p

guest4308

no, bookmarks mean a site has to reload every time you open it

Neil

@lyxal I used to be very tab hungry at one point. I wonder whether I still have that profile lying around somewhere...

guest4308

new tabs don't take any time to load

lyxal

06:17

@guest4308 Depending on your browser, switching to a new tab that you haven't viewed for a while may reload the page

Or at the very least it has to do some sort of loading out of stasis.

guest4308

that's what my tab management page is for, it lets me control which tabs get discarded and lets me free up resources from ones I don't use as much

also bookmark folders would take several clicks to go through, while when the tab is just open I can always get there in one click

in chrome it's chrome://discards/ but I forget what the firefox equivalent was

Neil

@guest4308 sounds like you might need tree style tabs (not tried that extension myself though)

guest4308

I've tried tree-style tabs before, but my screen/s is/are wider than tall so it's easier to get around with horizontally organized tabs

the thing I'm looking into right now for getting firefox to work is a multi-tab row kinda thing, but I think it's going to take up too much space at the top of my screens

lyxal

06:41

@guest4308 Vivaldi's tab groups could be of interest

guest4308

that looks like pretty much the same idea as a tab group on chrome

on chrome, you can can click a tab group to open or close it to make it smaller again

most of my groups tend to stay open, but I do have a couple that are usually closed

Unrelated String

wow nice

guest4308

aww, it was cut off in the first pic; there's like a colored underline showing which tabs are in each group in chrome

there, now you can see it

but my favorite feature is one that firefox can also do, just not quite as well; the site-search feature. you can prefix a search so that your search gets put in any search field; and it even works in incognito

lyxal

07:11

@guest4308 that's a lot of canvas tabs :p

I suppose I don't need as many tabs because I'm not doing as many courses :p

guest4308

they have a short half-life

most of those will be replaced by new ones by the end of the week

school is only one window; the majority of my tabs are other things I'm working on

The_AH

07:48

This got as off-topic as ever.

lol

My Chrome crashes after I have 6 or 7 tabs open at the same time.

mousetail

I avoid having more than 10 tabs

The_AH

I literally cannot as my Chrome crashes after 6 or 7.

It takes up too much RAM I suspect.

guest4308

@The_AH how slow is your computer running that you are crashing with only 6 or 7 tabs? I don't have much memory at all and my chrome is pretty fast

mousetail

Can you increase your swap size?

The_AH

1.12 GB RAM out of 8 GB is being used.

Right now with two tabs open.

And Opera open in which one tab.

Sublime Text is also opened.

And the Terminal.

To know if this is actually taking much of my RAM I should probably close everything else except Chrome.

guest4308

07:56

you should be able to use all of your ram; I don't start running into problems until I'm at least 98% usage

mousetail

8 GB should be more than enough for 15 tabs

Depending on what sites they hold

guest4308

@mousetail oh yeah, that is another point; my computer can't handle reddit being left open in the background

mousetail

Oh mine can't either, reddit is extremely poorly programmed

It loads many different resolutions of every image wasting huge amounts of RAM

The_AH

We all know that Reddit is terrible.

Dannyu NDos

I never knew browsers use that much memory. Probably because my computer has 32GB of RAM.

The_AH

07:58

My other computer also has that much RAM.

It runs Windows.

mousetail

Firefox with 15 tabs is using about 2 GB for me

The_AH

Interesting.

guest4308

@The_AH that's a lot of new tabs; that won't really stress your system

mousetail

If it detects you are low on RAM it will go into RAM saving mode and use a lot less though

The_AH

Yeah.

@mousetail It did that.

guest4308

08:01

@mousetail iirc it's generally the other way around; that standard practice for OSs nowadays is to use as much resources as possible to speed things up and then start ramping down when capacity is full

mousetail

That's what I'm saying, it will use a lot of RAM if you have plenty, just caching random stuff, if you are low it will unload things to save RAM at the cost of speed

guest4308

yeah

The_AH

Now onto a much less serious announcement...

Is it only me or does ZSH skip paths in $PATH for everyone?

Neil

09:32

I have 65 tabs using about 3 GB but most of them are TIO

mousetail

TIO is pretty light on RAM

I think 90% of my browsers RAM use is discord

guest4308

09:52

@mousetail idk if other browsers have this, but chrome has a internal task manager program, so you can see exactly what's taking your resources.

mousetail

Probably Firefox has somthing like that too but I don't really care

Neil

10:32

@mousetail about:processes

@mousetail yeah, my 16 PPCG tabs consume well over 1GB, but my 30-40 TIO tabs only take 1/3GB between them

The_AH

guest4308

@The_AH what am I even looking at here? at least on my version; there isn't a chrome url just for displaying different colors

The_AH

11:17

@guest4308 wdym?

guest4308

11:43

@The_AH they just aren't a thing that is there

The_AH

11:57

@guest4308 explain this then.

Ginger

@lyxal fun fact: I routinely have so many tabs open I had to enable tab scrolling in Chrome flags

guest4308

The_AH

Outdated Chrome version I assume?

guest4308

@Ginger that's a matter of bad organization. invest in tab groups and multiple windows

Ginger

@lyxal I recently learned that Canvas is actually open-source

@guest4308 well uh you see I do

lyxal

12:12

@Ginger TIL

The_AH

Well I am also on the same version, huh...

Ginger

it's just that a lot of the tabs I have open (like 90%) are documentation for a single project

The_AH

That's weird then.

Ginger

and therefore tab groups lose a lot of utility

The_AH

Maybe check your Chrome configuration?

Ginger

12:14

@The_AH wacky

guest4308

@Ginger if it's documentation for a single project, just make the groups more specific

Ginger

my Raspberry Pi has an identical amount of RAM and can handle 40 tabs no sweat

well, no more sweat than usual

the bottleneck is really the CPU

(and possibly the SD card, but I don't have any good info on that)

guest4308

@The_AH what kind of config?

The_AH

I am not sure.

Ginger

FWIW I generally use Firefox (including on my Pi)

only using Chrome because I'm forced to use a Chromebook

The_AH

12:18

lyxal

@Ginger ~~Kromerbook~~

Ginger

[[Number 1 Rated Browser1997]]

The_AH

@guest4308 Does going to the URL in that image work for you?

guest4308

still nothing

The_AH

That's very strange.

It's lightblue, not light-blue.

Try that.

guest4308

12:20

no change

The_AH

Okay so I don't really know how to help you now.

lyxal

works in firefox fwiw

The_AH

Okay wait what.

Why does a chrome:// URL work on Firefox???

guest4308

huh? chrome://colors in firefox?

lyxal

I was just as surpised as y'all are

The_AH

12:23

You might want to check your configuration.

@lyxal I am not surprised at all, I have been using that URL for a long time.

lyxal

The_AH

For checking colors.

lyxal

proof that it is indeed firefox

(I don't even have chrome open)

(I don't even have chrome)

The_AH

Does chrome://colors/hidden/lightblue work?

Again...

Bbrk24

Good morning, been a while since I’ve been here

The_AH

12:24

Bbrk24

@The_AH it what

doesn’t on the iOS version fwiw

The_AH

Oh, some specific chrome:// URLs aren't working for @guest4308.

chrome://colors

Ginger

@Bbrk24 g'joink

The_AH

And chrome://white, chrome://red, chrome://green, chrome://blue, etc...

lyxal

apparently it does

The_AH

12:26

Okay looks like that also works.

lyxal

gotta love when firefox opens chrome links

The_AH

I am going to try it in Opera.

Ginger

@lyxal wacky

I can't think of a single good reason for that

Bbrk24

chrome://colors/ doesn't work on firefox desktop for me -- when I enter that URL it stays on whatever page it was previously on

The_AH

Huh.

So for some people it doesn't.

For some it does.

guest4308

12:28

@The_AH opera would make sense cause it's chromium, but firefox should be completely separate

Bbrk24

I do have Edge

guest4308

for the record it doesn't work on firefox either for me

The_AH

Try it in Edge.

The Empty String Photographer

Firefox is a Google Can Opener.

lyxal

@Bbrk24 odd, must be a configuration thing

Ginger

12:28

doesn't work on Chrome Mober

The_AH

Yeah it doesn't work on Opera.

Bbrk24

In Edge it redirects to edge://colors which gives ERR_INVALID_URL

Ginger

later today I can check if it works on Chromium and FFESR

guest4308

@The_AH did it autocorrect to opera://?

The_AH

No.

Wait it did.

It did actually autocorrect.

Ginger

12:29

browsers being weird yet again ig

The_AH

I am not sure which config option enables chrome://colors.

lyxal

@Ginger s/Google/browsers

The_AH

It also works like just typing the color after chrome:// for me.

Ginger

reminds me of that time I found Google's debug application on my Pixel

The_AH

I just typed the color there.

Okay I am not sure why Google left this in Chrome though.

Maybe for debug purposes.

Though it's still weird to include.

guest4308

12:31

@lyxal wait, are there times when it's not necessary to close the s///? sorry, totally off topic but just curious

UndoneStudios

@Simd on codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/265857/… does the highest bit have to be a 1?

The_AH

Does chrome://colors/hidden/list work for you guys?

It does for me.

Wait, I am gonna send a screenshot.

guest4308

Ginger

@The_AH if I had to guess I'd say it's a GPU test

The_AH

That makes the most sense.

Bbrk24

12:33

@noodleman I'll throw in an additional +100 if you do it in Trilangle :P

Ginger

which would also explain its sporadicity: GPUs are black magic

The_AH

Though colors seem like a weird way to test GPUs.

guest4308

I mean, chrome://gpu works for me

The_AH

It does for me too.

Bbrk24

chrome://gpu in firefox has the same behavior as chrome://colors did

The_AH

12:34

Wait really.

That is super weird.

guest4308

in that it shows color or that it does the same thing chrome does

The_AH

I think it would redirect to opera://gpu which would say GPU info?

Bbrk24

edge://gpu in edge works though

@guest4308 No, in that it doesn't work the same way chrome://colors doesn't work

guest4308

@Bbrk24 ah; someone else was showing how firefox did open chrome://colors links

Bbrk24

doesn’t for me

if I enter that URL it stays on the same page I was previously on

guest4308

12:36

that's what happens for me as well

The_AH

Maybe chrome://colors was removed.

And the earlier builds only have it.

But we and guest4308 have the same builds...

So that doesn't make sense.

guest4308

wait, what do you get for chrome://version?

The_AH

117.0.5938.149 (Official Build) (x86_64)

guest4308

The_AH

M117 rollout?

Ginger

12:39

colors doesn't work on my Chromebook

The_AH

You mean chrome://colors?

Ginger

(and apparently the error page saying as much requires 22MB of RAM)

The_AH

And the other colors-related URLs?

Ginger

yes

The_AH

It does look like it's a config option.

Seems to be broken.

guest4308

12:41

that's a lot of lightwhites

The_AH

Yeah I think it's broken.

They might have not expected people to use it so didn't bother to fix it.

guest4308

did you change some config option or something?

The_AH

I never remember doing that.

guest4308

but didn't you have it working just a bit ago?

The_AH

I do still have it working.

The colors.

The chrome://colors/hidden/list page seems broken though.

guest4308

12:42

ah

The_AH

Check your config, there might be a setting there related to this.

guest4308

wait, if it's a config option, are you able to share the first 6 boxes in chrome://version to see what's different from mine?

The_AH

Google Chrome	117.0.5938.149 (Official Build) (x86_64)
Revision	e3344ddefa12e60436fa28c81cf207c1afb4d0a9-refs/branch-heads/5938@{#1539}
OS	macOS Version 10.15.5 (Build 19F101)
JavaScript	V8 11.7.439.21
User agent	Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_7) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/117.0.0.0 Safari/537.36

guest4308

wait the one I was most interested was the 6th box, the one saying 'command line'; that's where the config options are

The_AH

@Ginger I am trustworthy, why don't I have access to Snowpaw?

@guest4308 Okay one min.

guest4308

12:45

maybe it's an OS thing?

Ginger

@The_AH no, you're not

you're a new user

The_AH

But you have known me for like a month already.

Ginger

I know very little about you, and what I do know I don't like a whole lot

The_AH

Okay sure.

It's not like Snowpaw is a good bot either.

Ginger

also, you flagged one of Snowy's messages for no clear reason

The_AH

12:47

I didn't.

Ginger

in Snowpaw's Den, 2 hours ago, by The_AH

I flagged as "offensive".

The_AH

It was Andreas Moving To Codicat.

Ginger

are you sure? because it seems like you did to me

The_AH

It was not Snowpaw but Andreas Moving To Codicat.

Read the rest of the convo for context.

Ginger

mmm

The_AH

12:47

@guest4308 /Applications/Google Chrome.app/Contents/MacOS/Google Chrome --flag-switches-begin --flag-switches-end --origin-trial-disabled-features=WebGPU --disable-nacl --ext-ca-run

guest4308

wait you've got no flag options set?

The_AH

wdym?

guest4308

on mine, see how there's a couple flags set for things like the download being in the right spot and the history overscroll thing? I figured colors might be a flag or something

The_AH

It doesn't seem like it.

Also I have no flag options set.

I didn't even know they existed until now!

guest4308

yes, chrome://flags is very useful

The_AH

12:51

Interesting.

guest4308

all sorts of hidden features

Ginger

@The_AH this is true, but the message in question absolutely did not warrant a flag

my decision stands

The_AH

It was a mistake.

I am sorry.

Ginger

a pretty impressive one, considering the two dialog boxes you had to go through to do it

The_AH

One.

Not two.

Ginger

12:52

message options -> flag for mod (where you had to enter a reason) -> confirm

The_AH

I didn't have to enter a reason?

Ginger

do not argue with me about semantics

oh, a spam flag?

The_AH

It was message options -> flag as spam/offensive

Anyways, @guest4308, what is your Command Line? That could help.

guest4308

oh, I sent it a while back

The_AH

Only difference I can see is the Windows path, more flags and a flag not being there.

guest4308

12:55

oh yeah, I didn't even notice the --ext-ca-run

The_AH

Wait what is that flag for even.

guest4308

idk

Ginger

certificate authorities perhaps?

The_AH

Maybe, can I edit my Command Line somehow to remove it to see what happens?

guest4308

I mean, if you copy it into zsh I think it would just run as a command?

The_AH

12:57

Oh yeah.

I am going to do that.

Okay I ran Chrome without that flag.

guest4308

anything different?

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