The Nineteenth Byte

lyxαl

00:15

imo it's a real shame that linux nice values can only be in the range [-20, 19], and can't be 69. That would have been funny i think.

lyxαl

00:30

Could that not just be threading.Thread(self)?

the workshop slides say:

> it must have in the __init__
function:
threading.Thread.__init__(self)

ATaco

nice -n 69 echo "Hello, world!" Hello, world!\nNice.

thejonymyster

@lyxαl statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

hyper-neutrino

@lyxαl wouldn't that be equivalent to newself = None; threading.Thread.__init__(newself, self)?

Bubbler

03:54

__init__ is not the constructor itself, it is a kind of magic function that is called inside the constructor

so super.__init__(self) is the correct incantation that initializes the fields that belong to the superclass on self

not super(self)

mousetail

05:29

@lyxαl __new__ can do that, but not __init__

m90

06:14

@RydwolfPrograms (x + 1) | 1 (I have used this before)

Bubbler

oh nice

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Q: Decimalize a Fraction

Preamble A common pain-point when working with rational numbers and decimals is how infrequently one can represent their rational number as a clean, non-repeating decimal. Let's solve this by writing a program to decimalize (not to be confused with decimate) them for us! The Challenge Given a fra...

lyxαl

06:35

@NewPosts can't believe I had to shudder look up mathematical information for a challenge instead of brute forcing it or relying on someone else's observation

Simd

CMC compute minimum of two integers with no if statements

ATaco

@lyxαl I had written that already in the spec, lmao

Aiden Chow

> A given Input is "Decimalizable" if the Denominator of the Simplified Fraction contains no prime numbers other than 2 or 5.

from the challenge body

lmfao

@Simd builtin allowed or no

Simd

@AidenChow no

Aiden Chow

makes sense

@Simd Desmos, maybe polyglot with other languages im not sure (23 bytes): f(a,b)=.5(a+b-abs(a-b))

literally just search "mathematical formula for minimum" on google lol

ATaco

06:51

@Simd ARBLE, 19 Bytes lt(a,b)*a+ge(a,b)*b

Bubbler

@Simd [a,b][a>b]

lyxαl

@ATaco pfft imagine reading the challenge specs and not just jumping to the test cases

Aiden Chow

@Bubbler damn smart lemme port to desmos

nvm its longer in desmos

:(

Bubbler

isn't there a ternary thingy

Aiden Chow

wouldnt that count as if statement

its pretty much an if statement

Bubbler

07:00

what is the requirement?

Aiden Chow

im assuming u talking about piecewise functions

Bubbler

hmm yeah

that's exactly why built-in bans are unclear and should be burned to death lol

Aiden Chow

{a>b:a,b} (not the actual code but pretty close to it) suspiciously look like if statement lol

oh wait thats max

well u get my point

Knight v2.0 (with eval), 23 bytes: ;=l+,P,P;&<E]l[l=l]lO[l

it use short circuit boolean, not sure if that counts as an if statement

wait bruh what am i doing

21 bytes: ;=aP;=bP;&<Ea b=b aOb

much simpler and shorter

lyxαl

07:28

@Simd Vyxal, 3 bytes: Goh

Maximum of list, remove, head

You only specific no minimum built in

Never said I couldn't use maximum :p

Aiden Chow

@lyxαl lol bruh i immediately thought of Goh from pokemon journeys when i saw that

lyxαl

07:41

@Simd Vyxal, 14 bits2, 1.75 bytes: sh (vyncoded)

You gotta be quiet when running it

Otherwise it won't work

Aiden Chow

damn i cant believe vyxal is actually accessing the microphone, this is quite the privacy concern :p

lyxαl

08:02

Speaking of funny looking words: CMC: given a list and two integers as input (call them a and b), get all overlapping slices of the list of length a, uninterleave that, print both lists, check whether the second list has any truthy items in it, and get overlaps of length b of that result.

My best is Vyxal, 6 bytes: lyxal# but for some reason, I can't seem to get it to work without the extra comment.

Aiden Chow

. . . bruh

mousetail

No lyxαl♦ ?

lyxαl

Well no because the alpha and diamond symbols aren't in the code page :p

mousetail

That's unacceptable, such a disrespect to lyxαl♦. If they knew they'd be so disappointed in you

lyxαl

@AidenChow it's strange isn't it. It just won't work without the comment

No clue why but every time I remove it the program errors

mousetail

08:06

Can you petition SE to make # the new mod symbol?

Bubbler

sudo vyxal lyxal

Simd

08:28

@Bubbler that's cool!

@lyxαl :)

I like the xor based solution

Aiden Chow

oh bruh i just realized, sh is sort then head, thats so obvious yet didnt spot that lol

Desmos 14 bytes: f(l)=l.sort[1]

lyxαl

@AidenChow fun with mnemonics!™

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Q: Natural language vocabulary

Situation: Many high-level programming languages draw (a subset of) their vocabulary from natural languages (predominantly, but not exclusively English). However, the use of natural languages tend to put such languages at an disadvantage with respect to challenges scored on number of bytes (promi...

discussion handicap

noodle man

12:14

is it OK to either return a falsey value or throw an error when the result should be false?

i know if i just had one or the other it would be okay but is combining both also reasonable?

Bbrk24

you know JS lets you throw false

or even throw 0, throw null, throw undefined

mousetail

You can throw literally anything

Bbrk24

lyxαl

firefox dev console skill issue

noodle man

okay

i'm not sure that answers my question tho

in my case, the program throws a recursion error for a specific input where the output should be falsey. is this okay?

Ginger

12:32

@Bbrk24 AAAAAAAAAA

WHYYYYYYYYY

Bbrk24

@noodleman I was trying to answer that as "just throw false instead of return false"

noodle man

@Bbrk24 i see but that's not applicable here; maybe i should have lead with the fact that this is TypeScript Types

Bbrk24

ah right

noodle man

i have primality test in 111 bytes but it throws an error for input 1

because the program recurses from 2 until the input going up

well i'm gonna post it and if anyone takes issue with it i'll add a hotfix but it might be expensive

Bbrk24

Can't you just add 1extends T?0:...

noodle man

12:40

@Bbrk24 yes but that's like 10 bytes

Bbrk24

ah

noodle man

13 bytes i'd rather not add

Bbrk24

14:27

Is this comment correct? The spec says you may not use “1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9”. I avoided the digits 1–9 but I have a comma in there as a pop instruction. Months after I posted it, someone says I’m not allowed to use comma, either.

noodle man

@Bbrk24 pretty sure they're wrong

some other submissions are using commas

this submission is pretty much just commas

Bbrk24

Good point

Rydwolf Programs

@Bbrk24 They're probably joking

I can't imagine someone genuinely misunderstanding the challenge in such a way

Bbrk24

@RydwolfPrograms It's not a very good joke in that case

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah it's the sort of deliberate misreading to be able to correct people that like a 5th grader finds clever

Mithical

14:46

Hey - anyone here familiar enough with SE chat bots who can let me know how difficult something would be? (Not for this room, to be clear, but asking here 'cause I know a lot of botters hang out here.)

Bbrk24

@Mithical dontasktoask.com

Mithical

I was waiting for someone to throw that at me

Bbrk24

Point is, I may or may not be able to answer your question directly

mousetail

@Ginger Is the resident botting expert

MTN

@Mithical haven't made one myself, but you might want to check out sechat (made by Ginger). Couple examples if you want: github.com/Vyxal/VyxalBot2, github.com/PlaceReporter99/utility-bot

But yeah Ginger's the expert

Bbrk24

14:56

@mousetail I was going to avoid pinging them if I knew -_-

Ginger

you rang?

MTN

11 mins ago, by Mithical

Hey - anyone here familiar enough with SE chat bots who can let me know how difficult something would be? (Not for this room, to be clear, but asking here 'cause I know a lot of botters hang out here.)

Ginger

@mousetail I'm flattered :p

yeah, what're you trying to do?

Mithical

In essence, I'm looking to have a button that any one of a specific group of people can press, hosted on an external domain, which will send a message in a SE chat room. Does that play well with any of the SE chat libraries?

Ginger

sending the message is easy

Bbrk24

14:57

Yeah that should be fairly straightforward

(See, no need to ping Ginger about that)

Ginger

wait, what account'd be sending it?

Mithical

A bot account (I have a sock I can use)

mousetail

Bot will be seen joining the room when the button is pressed and leaving afterwards

Mithical

That's fine. I basically need a way for one of those specific people to be able to anonymously press the button, but not other people, which will require authentication with the API

Bbrk24

That would be authentication on the site with the button, not on SE

The_AH

15:00

Hello.

Bbrk24

Chat login is a Whole Thing :tm: so it's easiest to just leave the bot logged in

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Q: Pseudo-Quantum Bogosort

Pseudo-Quantum Bogosort Quantum Bogosort is as follows: Quantumly randomise the list, such that there is no way of knowing what order the list is in until it is observed. This will divide the universe into O(n!) universes; however, the division has no cost, as it happens constantly anyway. If t...

code-golf sorting

Ginger

@Mithical yeah, that's pretty easy

mousetail

Yea just use the normal OAuth flow for accessing the button, not the chat API

Ginger

you'd have to deal with authentication like mousetail said ofc

but the sending of the message wouldn't be an issue

The_AH

15:00

How do I make a StackExchange bot? (Is this the right place to ask?)

Ginger

this is a place

mousetail

Keeping the bot logged in without an "always on" server might be tricky

Mithical

Cool. As long as it's pretty easy, now I need to figure out who to mug to build it (:

Bbrk24

We're just talking about chatbots now lol

Ginger

I'll do it if you want

Bbrk24

15:01

@The_AH What would the bot do?

Ginger

love me an excuse to mess with chat :b

Mithical

@Ginger That'd be awesome, thank you :)

The_AH

@Bbrk24 I have no idea, It would just be cool to make a bot?

Ginger

spicy

I g2g for a bit, so I'll read any details you provide once I'm back

Mithical

Coolio. I'll try to think of any specific details, but I think the gist of it is there

mousetail

15:02

@The_AH Make sure you only use the bot in the sandbox rooms or rooms where you get explicit permission from the room owner. You shouldn't really need to say it but...

Mithical

(yes, this has a specific purpose)

The_AH

@mousetail Ok, that's obvious, how do I get started though?

mousetail

github.com/GingerIndustries/sechat

The_AH

@mousetail Thanks, will I need to make a new account for this?

mousetail

Not strictly necessary but highly recomended

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

15:04

I think chatexchange is still better...

Bbrk24

Perhaps not right away -- you can have the bot send messages via your account -- but if you're going to use it outside the sandbox then yes

mousetail

Yea there are a ton of libraries, though note they all work by ugly reverse engineering and scrapping HTML etc. There is no pretty way to do it unfortunatly

The_AH

I am using an alternative email for this account and I have signed up with other websites with that alternative email. It's to prevent spam.

Bbrk24

I tried to do it in Swift but the cookies didn't work for some reason

I would recommend using an existing library over writing your own

The_AH

Well I am going to use this account for now, later I'll make a new account if I begin well "playing more".

mousetail

15:06

It's not that hard to do your own, if you know a little about HTTP and HTML and cookies etc. it's pretty doable

Bbrk24

~~but that requires that your HTTP library respects cookies :P~~

mousetail

All of them should, except maybe one

The_AH

I am going to use the example bot code at this page: sechat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/example.html.

mousetail

If you just want to send messages you need only a small fraction of the API, and a part that is much simpler than the reading messages part

Mithical

@mousetail Jeremy was going to work on a chat API before he was laid off, but...

mousetail

15:08

New API in 6-8 weeks?

The_AH

What is room 1?

Bbrk24

Sandbox

Where you can play with chat features (except flagging) and ch...

2

Mithical

@mousetail considering that that was 2017, and nobody has picked up that project since...

The_AH

Oh, okay. That seems good. I am going to test the example bot now.

mousetail

They did post the feedback form about the API, so there is a very slim chance they have some budget to improve the APIs a little

Mithical

15:11

Improving the main-site API doesn't involve chat, though

The_AH

I get a login failed error, that's great!

Bbrk24

:)

12 mins ago, by Bbrk24

Chat login is a Whole Thing :tm: so it's easiest to just leave the bot logged in

The_AH

I am pretty sure the creds are correct since I just copied them from Google Password Manager.

Bbrk24

SE has three login methods but I think only one of them works for a bot

The_AH

I am using the example bot code from the sechat api docs which should work? Maybe my current session is colliding with the login attempt?

Bbrk24

15:13

That shouldn't cause a problem -- I can log in on my laptop and my phone at the same time

thejonymyster

@NewPosts isnt this just "sort a list" but with an unobservable requirement? or am i missing something

Mithical

@Ginger re: specs;

On an external domain, there needs to be a button, able to be clicked. This is the STOP button. When clicked, the STOP button sends a message to the [PSE RPG chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/118089/pse-dd-chatroom), in the format of `STOP: The stop button has been pressed.`

Any of the following four people need to be able to press the "STOP" button, but the person pressing it should not be logged:
https://chat.stackexchange.com/users/471270/sciborg
https://chat.stackexchange.com/users/28560/ancientswordrage

The_AH

I have no idea why it isn't working?

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/Users/me/Desktop/bot.py", line 9, in <module>
    bot.login(email, password)
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sechat/__init__.py", line 678, in login
    raise errors.LoginError(
sechat.errors.LoginError: Login failed. Bad email/password?

Bbrk24

Open a new browser where you aren't logged in and try to log in with that exact email and password. Don't click "log in with google" or whatever the options are, log in on SE directly.

Ginger

@The_AH if you're planning to use this bot for anything serious you might want to look into sechat v2

Bbrk24

15:17

that too

Ginger

it's only on the GH repo (v2 branch) and is completely undocumented, but it is far more stable and usable

The_AH

@Bbrk24 Okay. I'll see that, maybe Google didn't capture my creds correctly when I originally made my account?

@Ginger That's awesome self-advertising.

Ginger

👍

The_AH

Okay so if I try to login on Opera, Google will use so many auth checks that it will break my mind. On Safari it could work but I am already logged in through Google there. I could just open a new Chrome window where I am not logged in.

Ginger

@The_AH oh btw it only works for accounts that have username/password auth

Google SSO doesn't work

The_AH

15:20

@Ginger Oh. That was the problem! I was using email instead of username? Why does the example say "<email>" then?

Ginger

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The_AH

@Ginger It says that it needs my email, trying to login with my username didn't work.

Ginger

@Mithical sounds good!

I was going to offer to host it, but if you can do it that works too

Mithical

I mean, either way works, but I don't think it needs to be live all the time

(context: I'm running a horror game soon, this is a way to make sure things stop if someone's uncomfortable and doesn't have to expose themselves as being the one who's uncomfortable if they don't want to)

noodle man

@Mithical Not a bot expert, but couldn't you just give each of the people who is allowed to use it a password, and they could use that password to press the button?

Mithical

15:30

Maybe? I feel like authentication is easier (from a UX perspective), since you don't need to keep track of another password

if someone's on the go for instance, they'll be logged into their SE account but not necessarily have a password I sent over Discord or whatever lying around

noodle man

@Mithical fair enough, i suspect SE auth is tricky but i haven't really used it myself

Mithical

Oh wait, it requires a SO account, doesn't it?

noodle man

SE auth?

Mithical

aye

Bbrk24

I don't know if SE offers auth for other sites the way Google does

noodle man

15:34

they have oauth2 api.stackexchange.com/docs/authentication

Bbrk24

oh neat

noodle man

that might not be the link you need, just the top google result

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

Also check ChatExchange

Bbrk24

16:32

I am afraid that – as far as I have experienced it – PPCG is pretty conservative as regards to interpretation of specifications. The fact that submissions in 24 distinct languages used commas is beside the fact. — Kai Burghardt 31 mins ago

They bothered to count

Ginger

16:47

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

Sunsetting Winter Bash

guess it's more descriptive :p

Ginger

I'd say my message captures the post better d:

math scat

@Ginger WHY

WHO

thejonymyster

where

mousetail

17:04

We'll just make our own winter bash

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

Sounds like a good idea

mousetail

CMM Challenges for our own CGSE official winter bash

The_AH

If every OS was plain and singular. If every OS was the same. If everything was good.

Which OS would you use? Which OS wouldn't you use?

Every OS would be the same then what's even the point of having multiple OSs?

If every OS was the same and every OS was good nobody would make new and better OSs.

If every OS followed the same standard which worked then nobody would challenge that standard.

If we had a world without bad OSs then why would we continue making OSs? Why would we continue pushing the limits?

math scat

What about a winter bash extension/userscript?

mousetail

@mathscat Maybe, but it would be hard to get enough people to really make it a competition. Just a meta post with a list of challenges would make the most sense. People who want to install a userscript can of course but it shouldn't be a requirement to participate

math scat

17:17

yeah that might be a good idea

mousetail

Then you can do something like just writing your name under a task if you beleive you have completed it

math scat

@mousetail should this be a meta post?

mousetail

Yes, but I'd want at least a few basic ideas just so I know this has any merit at all

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by TylerH

Good riddance, I say. I can finally do away with a userscript or two!

umm

thejonymyster

What's the significance of this quote in relation to the message you're replying to, other than that they both mention userscripts?

@mousetail I'm noob, what sort of stuff would this entail anyway? / where can i see past examples?

noodle man

17:27

@thejonymyster both are about the winter bash

thejonymyster

True.............................................. Cosigned

math scat

coincidence???

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

yup

mousetail

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Q: Winter Bash 2020 hat list 👒 🎩

Winter Bash 2020 has started and the hats (and masks) are listed below. As always, there are only two answers: one for the secret hats, and one for the regular hats. The secret hat list will be updated as we learn them. Please, only edit the secret hat answer with definitive and correct triggers....

discussion winter-bash winter-bash-2020

noodle man

but how would it work on CGCC?

mousetail

17:30

Challenges would need to be easier to externally verify, so nothing related to voting

Probably just similar things to the list of bounties with no deadline

noodle man

would bounties be given for earning the hats?

i feel like not having the hat part kinda takes it away

nobody will see if you have a hat or not, unless you change your PFP

mousetail

Probably a bounty for the winner

I'm just brainstorming here, I don't have anything concretely decided

Tasks should be easy, since they are meant to encourage participation by newcomers so giving bounties for all of them might be a bit much

noodle man

maybe "I will upvote your post"

:p

mousetail

I fully intend to but I can't officiate state that

Ok one idea: Answer 5 challenges in 5 different languages over the course of 5 days

noodle man

Python 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5

math scat

17:44

@mousetail that's a cool one

What about some challenges involving advent of golf?

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

@mousetail too hard for me

mousetail

@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard You are not exactly the target audience

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

haha

noodle man

i think you could do it, it might be hard tho

mousetail

@mathscat What are you thinking?

noodle man

17:51

an easier idea: Comment a golfing suggestion on someone else's submission

math scat

@mousetail not entirely sure

mousetail

Challenges should encourage participating here, not on some other site

math scat

I was talking about Code golf advent Calendar, not sure if those two events happen at the same time.

noodle man

@noodleman maybe 3 golfing suggestions on 3 different submissions would be better, or maybe a golfing suggestion of 10% save or something

math scat

@mathscat Participate in CGAC for starters?

noodle man

17:54

another easy-ish one: post a [tips] answer with a net score of at least 1

mousetail

That's a good one

CGAC was a mediocre last year, if we do it again it needs better quality challenges

math scat

Post a non code-golf challenge maybe.

mousetail

Good one, though probably need some requirement fors score >5

noodle man

less solid idea: post a submission in a language made by a user of the site

mousetail

Post a submission in a language never used on the site before

noodle man

17:56

ooh good one

math scat

@mousetail ~~time to invent a new language~~

The Empty String Photographer

@mousetail I made a new lang a few days ago, might use that.

mousetail

Yea you can either make one or scour esolangs to find a new one, or prove something that isn't really a langauge Turing complete then solve a challenge in it

noodle man

could i use a language that has never been used for code-golf on this site, but has been in other tags?

i have one in mind i've been meaning to check out

math scat

you still have a lot of time :P

noodle man

17:59

yes but that would be a good opportunity and i don't feel like installing Common Lisp rn

mousetail

Not for that challenge I think but I'd still think it would be really cool to see

noodle man

and building from source and all that

@mousetail building off this: use a lang that hasn't been used on this site for at least a year

mousetail

@noodleman That could be a different one, there is room for different versions of the same challenge with different levels of difficulty

noodle man

i know it would be separate just building off that idea

another one could be. use a lang that less than five users on this site have used

since usually more obscure langs are dominated by like 1-3 users

mousetail

Yea I want to see more submissions in CellTail

The issue is it's a bit of a pain to actually find who has used a given langauge

noodle man

18:03

ForWhile and Trilangle come to mind

Banana-golf maybe lol

@mousetail probably can be solved with SE data explorer thing

mousetail

SEDE can't really find if the language name is in the title easily

noodle man

can it approximate?

mousetail

Sure it can

For really short language names or language names that are common words it can be way off. It's better for longer unique names

noodle man

true

math scat

If we do an optional userscript, twitch style badges could be cooler than hats (and easier to implement).

The Empty String Photographer

18:11

@mousetail I’ve used Python, it wasn’t hard to find me…

mousetail

You don't really use the work python in everyday conversation though

The Empty String Photographer

I kind of do, actually.

mousetail

Are you a snake charmer then?

noodle man

@noodleman maybe <10 would be better

@mathscat they'd be kinda small though

also are you maths cat or math scat

mousetail

I like the badges idea, like the staff and mod badges?

noodle man

18:21

something like this?

mousetail

Maybe, though we need to consider what would it look like if you have like 10 of them and have a smaller screen

noodle man

multiple rows

flexbox

or maybe horizontal scrolling? that seems more inconvenient

mousetail

Show one big, then one half size, next 1/8th size and so forth so the total size is limited no matter how many you have

The most prestigious one should be the biggest

The Empty String Photographer

@mousetail you mean 1/4 and so on?

mousetail

It's 2d

So 1, 1/2, 1/2, 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, 1/4, 1/4, 1/4, 1/4, etc.

noodle man

18:27

1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + ⋯

In mathematics, the infinite series 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + ··· is an elementary example of a geometric series that converges absolutely. The sum of the series is 1. In summation notation, this may be expressed as 1 2 + 1 4 + 1 8 + 1 16 + ⋯ = ∑...

math scat

@mousetail yup

mousetail

The space available will be wider than tall though, and all the badges will need to be square

noodle man

i still think rows / columns is good

most prestigious one is closest to PFP

mousetail

You could also just do a chaotic cloud style shape, if the challenge icons would be circular

math scat

18:41

@noodleman originally mathcat, but then changed it to math scat (I don't remember why anymore, I believe sbd suggested it)

noodle man

who's sbd? scala build den?

math scat

"somebody" lol. it might have been user who probably is a scala build den.

So the userscript is going to fetch the badges based on the meta post?

mousetail

Yea probably

math scat

Hey, I forgot, what happened to LOTM and the other cool TNB events?

mousetail

LOTM didn't get any submissions for several months, so in January it was finally killed

math scat

19:06

ah, rip

I do think it'd be nice if we restart it though, I think we have enough languages for years.

DLosc

19:32

@mousetail Make it 12 instead of 5 and call it "The Twelve Langs of Golfmas"

@mathscat I'd like to see LotM restarted someday, but I'm not sure we've waited long enough for interest to rebound yet. And you need buy-in for this sort of thing. Looking at the nominations post, you can see that all the nominations have pretty low scores, indicating a lack of interest and/or outright opposition (the current leader, Arn, is at +12/-7).

math scat

fair point

DLosc

Honestly, it's quite surprising (and gratifying) that the second run lasted for over 2 years.

Given that the first one lasted 6 months

DLosc

19:53

Huh, seems like both times, the last month of the run (SMBF, Elm) didn't see much participation, but the month before that (Japt, Pip) had typical or even above-average participation.

math scat

interesting

emanresu A

Probably a coincedence

Pip and Japt both had people willing to golf in them, and also they're golflangs which are decidedly more interesting that other languages

DLosc

Also yikes, the Husk LotM had an order of magnitude more answers than usual

emanresu A

Whereas no one golfs in Elm, and almost no one golfs in SMBF

Also have you seen the vyxal lotm lol

DLosc

What about it?

emanresu A

19:59

A lot of answers

DLosc

Vyxal had 70, by my count. Husk had 297.

emanresu A

Wow

math scat

what.

emanresu A

I count 184 for vyxal although some of those are multi-language or tips

math scat

Did the husk lotm have bounties on it?

DLosc

20:01

Unless I'm missing something. The formatting of the answers for the Husk month uses a stack snippet instead of a regular list, so I should probably double-check the number, but looking at the size of the list, it feels about right.

@mathscat It looks like there were several users who just really loved Husk and posted dozens upon dozens of answers in it.

emanresu A

In particular 177 of those were from razetime lol

math scat

I ... uh wow

emanresu A

And 77 were from legionmammal978

DLosc

@emanresuA Ah, I'm just going by the lists of answers on the official posts. I'm sure there were quite a few that never got catalogued.

math scat

@emanresuA I've been on CGCC for 3 years and I've posted 48 answers.

emanresu A

20:04

217 answers in a single month is quite something

DLosc

Number of officially recorded answers for each LotM:

Brachylog:  19
Brain-Flak: 17
MATL:       20
QBasic:     34
Japt:       50
SMBF:       5

R:          30
Husk:       297
Forth:      26
Rust:       7
Scala:      11
Whispers:   26
Factor:     33
Vim:        55
Vyxal:      70
Red:        45
ARM:        6
K:          12
jq:         38
Lean:       10
Zsh:        8
BQN:        30
Add++:      12
tinylisp:   44
PARI/GP:    20
Curry:      28
Desmos:     57
J-uby:      5
Piet:       14
Knight:     85
Prolog:     52
Nim:        12
J:          13
Pip:        34

Looking at the ones with fewer than 10 answers, I'm not surprised most of them didn't do well. SMBF and ARM are too low-level to be fun, Rust's syntax is a pain point even for people who love it, and learning J-uby is like learning two languages at once.

noodle man

well, bring it back then!

is there anything stopping it from happening?

i guess now isn't the greatest time since it's the beginning of the school year

DLosc

@noodleman Lack of interest, and particularly lack of interest in the current nominations

noodle man

true, only like 2 of those interest me

going to start using them now :)

DLosc

20:24

My personal favorites, besides the ones I nominated, were Brachylog, Husk, Vyxal, jq, BQN, and Piet. (I didn't even post any answers in the Piet one, but it was cool to see people using it and discussing it.)

noodle man

most of those just don't feel approachable honestly

i feel like if LOTM was gonna happen again there would have to be much better documentation

DLosc

@noodleman Which, my list, or the current nominations?

noodle man

@DLosc both

DLosc

@noodleman One of the good things about it was having people in chat who could answer questions

noodle man

right

i mean Vyxal and Husk don't seem hard to approach but the others do

also - say i was going to nominate TypeScript's Type System. there's like no documentation for how to use that to achieve tasks, so almost nobody's going to be interested

same approachability problem goes for Arn, Trianguish, pure data, UCBLogo

><> seems easier to approach but for people who have only golfed in python its a bit of a stretch

Neil

20:40

@noodleman oh, I have 69 silver badges?

noodle man

did not notice and yes indeed you do

math scat

20:58

nice

Ginger

21:19

nice

Ginger

21:36

@Mithical bot is done!

also, is there another room where it'd be more appropriate to discuss it?

DLosc

21:57

@noodleman Yeah, I have different opinions on some of the particulars but I agree that there is a balance for LotM languages between "too standard/boring" on one hand and "too weird/hard to learn" on the other.

noodle man

@DLosc that's kinda why i like TS types since it's a bit in between

another benefit is it looks a lot more impressive than it is so i get more upvotes :p

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