@ASCII-only sorry to see you feel the need to perform certain GitHub activity

If anything, an organisation makes it easier to invite collaborators to work on code

It's a net positive

The best solution I can come up with to this one question is 42% NOPs which feels slightly ridiculous

@lyxal yeah, it's mostly because i figured I'm not very active of a contributor anymore... like i don't mind contributing but i'm not active here enough to know what needs doing

Organisations are good for helping with that - once you appoint other co-owners, they can add new contributors as needed

they also greatly simplify permissions management :p

@ASCII-only would you recommend that? like I haven't done enough research into it but it (deno) looks cool; are deno and discordeno stable enough?

I'll have to look into if it supports the other libraries I need but if it has noticeable stability or performance benefits I might want to rewrite my bot (again...) in it lol

I have noticed that djs is pretty annoying to use with ts

especially that one version where they half-implemented discord adding text-in-voice to stage channels so they'd pass .isTextBased() but not have a .send() meaning I'd need to use "send" in channel which is horrifying and terrible

Deno itself is probably stable enough

Given that Discordeno seems to support Node.js too, it's probably safe to use it even if you might have to switch from Deno to Node later on

Although Discordeno itself may stop being maintained ig

@hyper-neutrino deno should be very stable nowadays, discordeno... is full-featured enough for me but i dont use anywhere near all of discord's API so i cant really say whether itll cover your usecase

i guess you could do a quick search in issues for some of the more obscure features (if any) if there are any they still havent implemented or something

@user tons of deno packages support node thanks to an official build tool

Why does & have lower precedence than ==? In what world does that make sense?

bitwise and?

yea

3 & 7 == 3 is 0 because the intermediate step is not 3 == 3, it's 3 & false

why would it have higher precedence

oh the other way around

what the hell

what language is this

JS, but JS inherited this from C

huh, could have sworn c had it the sane way

Swift has it the sane way

maybe it's a holdover from some early version before logical &&

But in C, the bitwise operators are lower precedence than literally everything, even +

(actually idk whether & or && has higher precedence)

but in Swift, a << b + c is (a << b) + c, while in C it's a << (b + c)

oh yeah c even has a warning for that because you almost never want to do that but they couldn't fix it for backwards compatibility lmao

why the hell would js and swift not fix it

Again: Swift does. But JS, and presumably Java and C#, do it like C

yep java also has it like that

and c#

@Bbrk24 B

so we've got swift, python, and rust for sane

but basically every other c descendant is fucking senile

cm.bell-labs.co/who/dmr/chist.html

go to the Neonatal C section

isn't c not completely backwards compatible with b though or

It's more that C had the features from B, introduced && and ||, and needed backwards compat with C

ahh

> In converting from B to C, one wants to replace & by && in such a statement; to make the conversion less painful, we decided to keep the precedence of the & operator the same relative to ==, and merely split the precedence of && slightly from &.

@lyxal Of course.

well now I know what not to do with Rabbit's bitwise operators :p

Why is this on physics lol physics.stackexchange.com/q/230685/338689

@user yeah my only concern about discordeno is it might stop being updated at some point if it doesn't have as much of a community and dev team backing it as djs does; djs is too large for people to just abandon it (presumably)

I looked into it and it seems stable enough? and the way it does things looks pretty nice at least

@ASCII-only alright, thanks

oh, one thing I needed to find a weird workaround for in my current code was being able to dynamically unload/reload files which I ended up doing by setting my compiler output mode to convert my imports to require and then using require and deleting stuff from require.cache - seems like deno supports that natively though with deno cache --reload=file.ts though which could be really nice

Actual TS code I just wrote:

    defaultSettings.hasOwnProperty(key)
      ? `\nDefault: \`${defaultSettings[key as keyof typeof defaultSettings]}\``
      : ""

Maybe it's just me but I feel like that as keyof shouldn't be necessary

keyof is needed for sure, typeof maybe not in a ideal world

the actual type is long enough that it's shorter to write typeof defaultSettings

It's Readonly<Omit<IServerSettings, "server">>, iirc

can't you alias the type?

@mousetail If I change hasOwnProperty to in then I don't need the cast

yea but in is vulnerable to prototype polution

exactly

why do they make the more correct way more clunky

Can't you do defaultSettings[key]! ?

Nope, it complains that there is no index signature that takes a string

There are some places where I just give up and have @ts-expect-error followed by foo.bar?.baz because of this

You could cheat by doing hasOwnProperty(x) && x in defaultSettings but that's ugly

What about this one? github.com/xsduan/conniebot/blob/dev/src/helper/utils/… DMChannel doesn't have the permissionsFor method, but other channel objects do, and the only way I know of to convince TS this is safe is, once again, in

my final exams are over!

you could also just use defaultSettings[key as any]

I think I have a linter rule that prevents me from using any

@Bbrk24 assuming the message is supposed to be in a guild, you could try replacing Message with Message<true> in your function's signature

It's allowed to be a DM

oh

But, good to know

yeah ts doesn't really like you using ?. to reference fields that may not exist which I actually find very annoying

hm, I would just use in to get rid of the error

but idk what best practice is

Well I've removed as much in from the codebase as I could find, after the string "__proto__" caused it to crash

ಠ_ಠ

If I ever write another Discord bot, I'm not using JavaScript

I'm sorry you're doing what

I'd advise you to burn it all and start over

like I did with Vyxal Bot

Burn it alllllllllll.

the problem with me rambling about Rabbit in the Rabbit room is that there's nobody else there to keep me from making giant mistakes in my design :p

I'm also not hosting it, which may cause problems once discord.js bumps their required node version above what the host has installed

Rabbit's development process is Cunningham's Law as an art form: I post my godawful code, everyone's like "nooo Ginger you should be doing it this way instead", I steal their code while laughing evilly, and rinse and repeat

@Ginger Maybe invite @Seggan and/or @RydwolfPrograms? I've seen them talking with you about Rabbit when it was in here

@Bbrk24 they're the only two people who're normally in the room

Ah

but neither are online right now :b

If you think the Rabbit room is lonely, check out the CGR room. Last message was several days ago :P

l + ratio + no messages + This room has been frozen due to inactivity.

come join us, we have cookies and cute animals

@Bbrk24 which bot is this?

github.com/xsduan/conniebot

but also yeah what ginger said probably isn't a bad idea; especially if (not saying you are, but if) you're the only person really working on it it's probably worth the time to rewrite it into something you can more easily work with

interesting

As I said, I'm also not hosting it. If I want to do it in basically anything other than JS (the host has node) or C (the host has gcc) I'd almost certainly have to switch to hosting it myself

hm, I see

is the person who is hosting it inactive or smth and you can't contact them to get them to either change it or give you access?

Can you build python on the server?

^

Does it have a JRE?

because that'd let you use Rabbit

I don't have root access and they haven't responded to me in months

ew Java

you don't need root to build python

JRE != Java

^^

though some optional features might not work

correct

But I mean I can't install python/java/etc if it's not already there

You can build python from source

there are a few modules that require extra libraries to be built

Ah, there is a python3 already installed

3.10.8

nice

oh that's recent

that's a recent version

no java that I can find

seems someone has been keeping things up to date

@mousetail it might have unattended upgrades on

or whatever the equivalent tool for its OS is

They use this to host their own website, they just let my bot live there because it's not resource-intensive

whose bot is this? I could host it

^ do this, then Ginger can go AFK for 6 months

it was using 600MB RAM and 1kBps networks last I asked

I'd be fine with making you a user account on my droplet (assuming Radvylf's okay with it)

Is Docker installed?

My bot, I suppose? I am the maintainer, but I'm neither the license holder nor the current host

If you're in the docker group you can get root access pretty trivially

well I guess it's technically Radvylf's droplet, because he's paying for it q:

How would I determine that? I've only used docker on Mac, which uses a GUI

Just docker info and see if it works

imagine using Docker

Client:
 Context:    default
 Debug Mode: false
 Plugins:
  buildx: Docker Buildx (Docker Inc., v0.9.1)
  compose: Docker Compose (Docker Inc., 2.12.2)

Server:
ERROR: Got permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker daemon socket at unix:///var/run/docker.sock: Get "http://%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fdocker.sock/v1.24/info": dial unix /var/run/docker.sock: connect: permission denied
errors pretty printing info

F

Nope, you're not in the docker group then

Any unusual SETUID binaries?

Last I asked the server was running NixOS, iirc

oh, Nix

it oughta be pretty easy to install whatever then

don't quote me on that though I'm not very good with Nix

Try running this: find /bin -perm -4000

Oh yeah, $HOME/.nix-profile/bin is in $PATH

it should tell you what binaries have setuid

lol I like how we're just jumping straight into privilege escalation. Should we try rowhammer next? :p

@mousetail Nothing

You started that

ooh maybe it's vulnerable to Log4J d:

@Bbrk24 Sad

He said it didn't have java

and it seems there's some kind of automatic updates

everything has Java

Java runs on 13 billion devices

Well, which java found nothing, at least

the laptop I'm typing these words on has at least 3 copies of the JRE on it

and $JAVA_HOME is empty

it pervades all

Check /usr/bin too, /bin might be a symlink

As it is on Fedora

I'd expect at least something to be setuid

@RydwolfPrograms and (my copy of) Debian

honestly "java runs on 13 billion devices" sounds like a threat

"...and your device is next"

@RydwolfPrograms Neither of the two are in $PATH...?

Most easily-difficulty CTFs I've done are just python being setuid or something like that

My path is set to /run/wrappers/bin:/home/beberka/.nix-profile/bin:/etc/profiles/per-user/beberka/bin:/nix/var/nix/profiles/default/bin:/run/current-system/sw/bin

Or a script so you can hack the import system to load your file

A setuid bash script can also easily be hacked

@Bbrk24 yeah that's definitely a Nix system

I wonder how you can tell :p

@RydwolfPrograms cries in replit

I'm so thankful I don't have to use replit anymore lol

oh wait you were making a joke about how "nix" is everywhere

whoosh

r/itsanixsystem

I was just commenting on those specific (and rather strange) path entries being typical of Nix systems

NixOS doesn't act much like other Linux distros

/they could've chosen to make it a BSD or something too

It's revolutionary and all but it doesn't help when something assumes things about where things are stored

were there a Linux family tree NixOS would be about halfway between Android and normal Linux

no, that's too kind to Android

Why Android?

it's got the Linux kernel and basically nothing else IIRC

It has glibc, right?

no clue

Gotta have either that or musl, right?

Not gonna be able to do much otherwise

I say that because the Swift standard library contains code of this form:

#if canImport(Darwin)
// iOS, macOS, Apple Watch, Apple TV
import Darwin
#elseif canImport(Glibc)
// Linux, Android
import GlibC
#elseif os(Windows)
import CRT
#elseif os(WASI)
import WASILibc
#else
#error "Unsupported OS"
#endif

hm

If you're linking against Foundation, that already has these (and re-exports them even) so you don't have to do this. But some libraries, especially for server-side Swift, try to avoid Foundation.

Foundation is dynamically linked on Darwin platforms but statically linked everywhere else; it really bloats your binary size if you're not compiling for Darwin

@Ginger thou hast summonedest me?

whar ?

i got a ping by you in here

hm

@Ginger BTW the JRE isnt available separate from the JDK anymore

w h a t

bruh

it hasnt been since like java 14 i think

@Seggan Ginger said there was nobody in the Rabbit room and I suggested they invite you

oh wow Rust is officially supported in the Linux kernel

just learned that?

@Bbrk24 which gcc and which clang both error so now I'm thoroughly confused

@Seggan yus

$ ls -l .nix-profile/bin
lrwxrwxrwx 2 root root 62 Jan  1  1970 .nix-profile/bin -> /nix/store/shpy4sb7k20x9ilry8r6y8cr75b1q2x9-nodejs-16.14.0/bin

what

@Bbrk24 normal nix behavior

How do I make it follow the link and then ls -l the contents

I guess I could copy the link destination

$ ls -l /nix/store/shpy4sb7k20x9ilry8r6y8cr75b1q2x9-nodejs-16.14.0/bin
total 38320
lrwxrwxrwx 8 root root       45 Jan  1  1970 corepack -> ../lib/node_modules/corepack/dist/corepack.js
-r-xr-xr-x 2 root root 39238832 Jan  1  1970 node
lrwxrwxrwx 8 root root       38 Jan  1  1970 npm -> ../lib/node_modules/npm/bin/npm-cli.js
lrwxrwxrwx 8 root root       38 Jan  1  1970 npx -> ../lib/node_modules/npm/bin/npx-cli.js

oh btw java 20 was released last thursday

So I don't have write permission there, darn

@Seggan huh?

no new stable features, but a bunch of previews and incubating apis

like what?

im excited for when the new FFI api comes out

hmmmmmmm

@Ginger openjdk.org/projects/jdk/20

wow

@Ginger rust style pattern matching

it WHAT

saw that

pretty neat

coroutines, finally a vector api

java 21 set to include sequenced collections and string templates

ooh its an lts release too

I'm mad 20 isn't an LTS release

Gotta wait until later this year to switch to the next LTS

@user yeah lol

but hopefully they stabilize at least record patterns

ye I love records

I ove pattern matching

@Bbrk24 It's so that you can have multiple generations at once, I think. If your current generation is messed up, you can boot into a previous generation instead

You know what I hate? Scripts that use #!/usr/bin/bash rather than #!/usr/bin/env bash or #!/usr/bin/sh

I’ve seen someone call env bash a security risk

According to an answer here, there's no risk

could anyone check this challenge? is it ready to go live? codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/25678

> Hello.

👋

@HuỳnhTrầnKhanh this is kolmogorov-complexity, right?

correct

there's no input and you gotta print all the boards satisfying a condition

could you provide the complete output for checking purposes? (if it's too long you could put it in a Gist)

done

is it fine now

gotta get my daily dose of internet fame :p

sorry, was afk

@HuỳnhTrầnKhanh lgtm, but you should ask at least one other person before posting :p

hey @Seggan does it look fine to you

yes

ok cool

@Bbrk24 C started off without && and ||, so you had to use & and | instead. Obviously they couldn't change things when they did add && and ||.

oh, somebody already said. that's scrollback for you. sorry about that

turns out there was never actually a version of c without &&, but they decided to keep the precedence from b anyways just to make it easier to port lmao

& can be slightly faster than && in some very specific situations, in early computing that was much more imporant

Modern optimizers are probably aware of this

if the righthand side is a simple expression

Yea but when C was designed

In those days people optimized by hand

Yeah early C optimization had a lot of room for improvement, hence things like Duff's device

It works only in C because switch case is just goto actually

@Bbrk24 Same thing in QBasic: 3 AND 7 = 3 is 3 AND (7 = 3) (AND is bitwise)

Yeah if you only have one "and" for both it makes sense

@RydwolfPrograms but was still just as ugly :P

I've never been so offended by something I think is 100% true :p

Lol

lmao

bruh why tf is untarring this taking so long

it's only 5 megs

mono go brrrr

FINALLY

wow that was a pain in the ass

augh I hate how long Cargo takes to "Updating crates.io index"

@RydwolfPrograms how do you cope with this

Rabbit won't have these problems, which clearly makes it superior

@Ginger By not installing fifty million libraries

I mean I spend 30s waiting for tokio or whatever to install, once per project, big deal

@user you're the only person I know who can list file directory paths and leave me wondering if you mean a generic path or an absolute path you have on your computer

@Ginger Use sparse index, it almost finishes instantly

blog.rust-lang.org/2023/03/09/Rust-1.68.0.html

@RydwolfPrograms I'm sorry are you accusing me of having fifty million libraries installed

Ooh have you moved past your duct tape phase?

no, it's more that I don't use Rust :p

haha lol man you thought

Why are you using cargo then

Are you doing industrial espionage?

Spying on other package managers to steal their tricks? :p

I need to compile something that does use Rust

also yes but that's beside the point

@Bubbler damn that's fast

wow

Will be the default in 1.70 or something