The Nineteenth Byte

DLosc

19:10

I think right now it's
1. Python
2. JavaScript
3. Haskell

@zoomlogo I have to break this up into multiple categories

Golflangs:
1. Pip
2. Brachylog
3. Retina

Non-golf esolangs:
1. tinylisp / tinylisp 2
2. BitCycle
3. SnakeEx

Esolangs I haven't tried but they look cool:
1. Nibbles
2. Funciton
3. Dodos

Seggan

nibbles is not an esolang

caird coinheringaahin g

It's not a praclang

Seggan

its a golflang

math scat

@Seggan python, vyxal and javascript (yes I like vyxal more than js)

caird coinheringaahin g

@Seggan I'm not entirely sure I'd agree, it's more of a proof-of-concept esolang, given it's very limited command set. But, either way, golflangs are esolangs, and it was in the "esolangs I haven't tried" section

DLosc

19:27

^

Ginger

^

DLosc

I was very tempted to put BQN in the golflangs category, but it's technically a praclang

Bbrk24

I googled it and the first result was titled "BQN: finally, an APL for your flying saucer"

DLosc

Yep, that's the official site

Seggan

> We love our free users and will continue to offer free access to ChatGPT. By offering this subscription pricing, we will be able to help support free access availability to as many people as possible.

read: you pay for others

Ginger

19:35

~~COMMUNISM~~

Rydwolf Programs

@Seggan ...that's literally what it says, yes

It's just like Patreon, YT Premium, etc. You're paying to support the platform/creator/..., and enabling it to continue to be available for free

emanresu A

*YT channel members

YT premium is just more stonks for the company

Ginger

me and the persons adding a massive dependency just so I can have a good filename extension parser

Rydwolf Programs

@emanresuA Which helps keep YT free in addition to the ads

ATaco

I thought premium gave cents to the creators in place of ad revenue?

Rydwolf Programs

19:42

It does yeah

But I guarantee you YT isn't making $12/mo off me normally just from ad revenue

ATaco

Well yeah, but google

Ginger

seriously how large is Apache Commons

oop connection dropped

ATaco

that’s the entire argument, “google”.

Ginger

:|

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

"Sort" by element duplication Inspired by one of many bugs I ran into while implementing selection sort in trilangle. Given a non-empty list of non-negative integers, "sort" the list using the following procedure: Find and output the smallest value in the list. If the list only has one element, ...

Seggan

19:47

@Ginger .split('.').last()

@Ginger very

New Posts

20:02

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Q: Triangularly embed a graph on a surface

This challenge arises from a claim made in a MathOverflow answer and a paper linked in that answer which seems to back up the claim: Searching for triangular embeddings is much quicker than enumerating over all embeddings… In fact, Jungerman was able to find a triangular embedding of \$K_{18}-K_...

Ginger

@Seggan some more very good Kotlin:

val modules = this.libraryManager.resolveDependencies(this.libraryManager.locateModule(baseModuleIdentifier)).also { it.map { module -> module.files.map { it.also { it.ast = this.parse(CharStreams.fromPath(it.path)) } } } }

my favorite part is the ))}}}} at the end :p

Seggan

i think every time you show me such stuff you are actually asking me to revise it :P

Ginger

nah, I just want you to suffer with me :b

sure, there are other ways to write that, but I like having it all in one line

because golf

Seggan

too many alsos

user

^ please don't overuse also, with, and let

Please don't use it everywhere, use meaningful names

Seggan

20:17

@user this

Ginger

it go brr

user

~50% of your identifiers are its :P

Seggan

intellij forces you to use only one it per lambda tree

well, it doesnt force you, it just warns you

Bbrk24

20:36

Swift’s equivalent to it supports lambdas with up to 10 arguments

The first one is $0, the second one is $1, and so on. But usually if you use $2 or later you’re going to be told to name them in PR

user

Yeah, you shouldn't need more than 2 usually, unless you're doing something like foo.map { f($0, 1, $1, 2, $2, 3) }

Seggan

21:21

> Syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon

what if you dont have semicolons?

source: epigrams in programming

> There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one works

> When we write programs that “learn”, it turns out that we do and they don’t

ATaco

Errors protect us from JavaScript.

7

Failing quietly and trying your best to continue is a great way to never find a bug.

Seggan

> In a 5 year period we get one superb programming language. Only we can’t control when the 5 year period will be

emanresu A

And we don't know or agree on what the language is.

Ginger

> Beware of the Turing tar-pit in which everything is possible but nothing of interest is easy.

*laughs in esolangs*

Seggan

@emanresuA yep lol

@Ginger thats where the phrase "turing tarpit" came from according to wikipedia

emanresu A

21:36

~~obviously it's vyxal~~

Ginger

> We have the mini and the micro computer. In what semantic niche would the pico computer fall?

*laughs in Raspberry Pi*

> Don’t have good ideas if you aren’t willing to be responsible for them.

*laughs in Complement*

Adám

apl.wiki/Alan_Perlis

Seggan

> Though the Chinese should adore APL, it’s FORTRAN they put their money on

> Dealing with failure is easy: Work hard to improve. Success is also easy to handle: You’ve solved the wrong problem. Work hard to improve.

ATaco

If the perfect programming language existed, PMs would insist on using something else.

"And don't forget to make it BlockChain™, we need that BigData™"

caird coinheringaahin g

23:04

@Seggan What's the CGCC periods/languages for that rule?

Maybe reduce it to 2 or 3 years, given we're like 12 years old

Golfscript for -2012, Pyth 2012-2014, CJam 2014-2016, Jelly 2016-2020, Vyxal? 2020-
Of course, languages such as 05AB1E, Husk, Ohm, and far many more are also superb by golfing standards and have overlapped those year ranges, so I don't think it really works in this case :P

ATaco

23:33

Woot! Got string compression working for Jalapeño! Compresses "Hello, World!" down to a smoooth 12 bytes.

Wastes a lot of bytes on the , though

Ginger

japaleño

ATaco

Jalapeño

It's not great, only saves a few bytes. Perhaps I need to change the compression algo...

lyxal

if you don't mind losing sanity, I'd recommend Jelly's SSS with shorter word lists

with the right word lists, you can get results 100 bytes shorter than Jelly in some cases

Bbrk24

I've been thinking that I should probably implement tests for the Trilangle interpreter, but I'm not sure how

ATaco

I’ll likely just use a simple back reference compression. Easy to implement, and good savings on human language.

lyxal

23:41

@Bbrk24 Does c++ have a testing library you could use?

Bbrk24

Not a standard one that I'm aware of

lyxal

Doesn't have to be standard

But even if there isn't a testing library available, it'd just be a matter of testing each component of the language with assert statements

Bbrk24

I was thinking of doing something like, writing a bash script to invoke the interpreter with various inputs and verifying the output. But that's probably not the best way to do it

lyxal

Do you have a central execute method in the c++?

Bbrk24

I have this: github.com/bbrk24/Trilangle/blob/master/main.cpp#L11

lyxal

23:46

call that in a testing file then

Bbrk24

The thing is that it outputs directly to stdout and stderr, and in some cases calls exit

for example, interpreter::run calls thread::tick, which contains this: github.com/bbrk24/Trilangle/blob/master/thread.cpp#L390

lyxal

expose the stack in a testing version of execute and check stack contents at the end of execution

ATaco

The fact that C doesn't support underscores in numbers hurts me more than I'd like.

Bbrk24

Modern versions use apostrophes

ATaco

Ooooooh

That works

Bbrk24

23:53

1'000'000 is valid in some versions of C, but I wouldn't be surprised if most compilers don't enable that by default yet

Oh, apparently it's in C++14 but C23

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