The Nineteenth Byte

Rydwolf Programs

00:06

@DLosc I read this without the first "leave"

Definitely communicates a very different message lol

Ginger

@Bbrk24 I just opened Notepad to check this:

wtf did they do to it

Bbrk24

My notepad doesn't look like that

Adám

Only latest Win11.

Bbrk24

Are you on Win-- ah yep that makes sense

I'm still on Windows 10

Ginger

*screams in Win11*

Bbrk24

00:12

I have a couple games on my computer that are Windows-only, otherwise I'd have switched to Linux by now

Ginger

LINUX FOREVER

ATaco

I quite like Fedora

@Bbrk24 Have you tried Proton? I haven't found a game it wont run yet

Bbrk24

No, but I don't want to switch and then find out it doesn't work. I have an Ubuntu VM set up but I haven't allocated it enough resources for gaming

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms vim user meme gif when

Bbrk24

Actually I might switch to Mac instead of Linux. It's weird to say this but I miss Xcode already

Ginger

00:20

Feb 13 at 18:45, by Rydwolf Programs

Bbrk24

Swift really isn't that bad of a language and Xcode is far easier to set up than trying to install Swift directly

Rydwolf Programs

@ATaco Fedora gang lessgo

I use Fedora Server, plan to try out the desktop version once I have an excuse to use desktop Linux

Bbrk24

Swift is only officially supported on macOS, Ubuntu, CentOS, Amazon Linux, and technically Windows. But speaking from experience it's painful to try to use Swift on Windows and I never want to try it again

Ginger

Swift more like Slow

ATaco

@Bbrk24 I set up my PC to dualboot

Allocated ~100GB to the OS for Fedora, and the rest of my system is allocated for windows file systems.

Bbrk24

00:26

That's reasonable actually. The family computer I used as a kid was dual boot Windows XP and "Linux" (though I don't remember which flavor or version)

It also had an NES emulator so I played games you might expect for someone much older than me, like Final Fantasy, Metroid, and Super Mario 3

ATaco

You'd be surprised how common that is

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Q: Tips for golfing in SVG

SVG is an XML vector graphics markup language embeddable in web content. Your tips should be at least somewhat specific to SVG. Please post one tip per answer.

Bbrk24

Idea for a golflang: use a custom codepage and map each character to a mathematica builtin

Parcly Taxel

@ATaco codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/25625/110698 test cases provided, does this look good to post?

lyxal

@Bbrk24 that's called Sledgehammer

github.com/tkwa/Sledgehammer

Bbrk24

00:39

Huh, sure is

Bbrk24

00:55

So I think technically Trilangle could be v1.0 now, if I wanted it to. But the brackets []{} are completely unused and currently invalid instructions, and I'm trying to think of what they might do

Maybe [] could be portals -- if the IP hits ] and there's only one [, it jumps there, and vice-versa

Neil

01:09

@RydwolfPrograms depends on how much of the CRT you managed to pull in; if you used printf it would be bigger than if you used write for instance. I had some toy 16-bit Windows programs whose biggest component was the icon.

ATaco

@ParclyTaxel Looks solid, Though I suggest you let it stew for a day

@Bbrk24 {} as diodes? If IP enters one way, it bounces, otherwise it continues?

Neil

@Adám left one was the old pfp? I think I like the blue background more :-(

Adám

@Neil No, those are the same pic.

Old one ↑

Bbrk24

@ATaco That actually makes a lot of sense

ATaco

Though I suppose that'd make it almost identical to something that just sets the Direction

Neil

01:23

I still like the blue background more

Bbrk24

meh, it could set east/west direction but leave north/south direction alone. So something that enters it northeast and northwest both leave northwest, for example

Adám

@Neil Me too, but the new blue is fake. I don't like fake things.

Neil

new glasses are very slightly nicer, I think

Adám

I.e. for the old photo, I actually stood in front of that cloudy blue screen, whereas the new one was taken in front of a flat white screen.

@Neil Less bent out of shape, at least ∘.○

Neil

ah that could explain it

ATaco

03:31

The jelly dictionary contains Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch for some ungodly reason.

lyxal

Imagine containing Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch in your long dictionary

Aiden Chow

@ATaco well dont u use that word in everyday conversations like a normal person? its obviously quite the common word if i do say so myself :P

lyxal

@ATaco ~~just another reason Vyxal's SSS dictionaries are better~~

Aiden Chow

in all seriousness tho wtf is that monstrosity of a word...

Rydwolf Programs

A town in Wales

IIRC

lyxal

03:34

Llanfairpwllgwyngyll

Llanfairpwllgwyngyll, or Llanfair Pwllgwyngyll (Welsh: [ɬanˌvair puɬˈɡwɨ̞nɡɨ̞ɬ]), is a large village and local government community on the island of Anglesey, Wales, on the Menai Strait next to the Britannia Bridge and across the strait from Bangor. Both shortened (Llanfairpwll or Llanfair PG) and lengthened (Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch) forms of the placename are used in various contexts (with the longer form pronounced [ˌɬanvair pʊɬˌɡwɨ̞ŋɡɨ̞ɬ ɡɔˌɡɛrə ˌχwərn ˌdrɔbʊɬ ˌɬan təˌsɪljɔ ˌɡɔɡɔ ˈɡoːχ] (listen)). At the 2011 Census, the population was 3,107, of whom...

Aiden Chow

literally has 4 l's in a row damn, uk shit is getting real when 4 of any letter is repeated in a word...

Unrelated String

03:48

@AidenChow to be fair ll in welsh is basically just one letter

Rydwolf Programs

→ 7 messages moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

Someday I'm gonna accidentally move spam to the RPi room

Aiden Chow

what is rpi lmao

Rydwolf Programs

They really need to make the list of rooms not update when you hover it lol

caird coinheringaahin g

The raspberry pi room

Unrelated String

do you know what they call щи in german

Rydwolf Programs

03:49

It's called "The Bakery"

Unrelated String

or rather, how it's spelled

caird coinheringaahin g

@UnrelatedString "Russische Buchstaben"?

ATaco

@UnrelatedString I don’t even know what it’s called in English

Unrelated String

SCHTSCHI

Aiden Chow

@UnrelatedString what am i looking at...

Rydwolf Programs

03:50

@UnrelatedString That's worse than English lol

I guess I know where we got it from

caird coinheringaahin g

is_zero = lambda x: abs(x) < 1e-10

Goddamm floating point

Rydwolf Programs

The terrible phonotactics don't fall far from the tree

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing epsilons be like that sometimes

ATaco

Does python not have an Epsilon constant?

lyxal

It does

But it's like 1e-9 iirc

caird coinheringaahin g

03:52

You'd think that a maths course that teaches programming would use some language with a rational type

Given that all the numbers involved are integers, or integers dividing integers, aka rationals

Unrelated String

that's making many charitable assumptions about math and cs educators

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing Well you see, python does have a rational type. Decimal

ATaco

Apparently it’s sys.float_info.epsilon

lyxal

@ATaco yeah that's the one

caird coinheringaahin g

@lyxal Well you see, that involves imports

lyxal

03:53

Then good luck finding a beginner friendly language that supports rarionals built in that is also a prac-lang

ATaco

Fixed point is immune to floating point errors

caird coinheringaahin g

And I'm not even joking when I say that my coding hws are preceded by a giant block of code with a bunch of statements like this at the start:

try: del modules['numpy'].random.permuted
except: pass

ATaco

@lyxal C#

caird coinheringaahin g

@lyxal Lemme do my homework in M, or my Jelly fork goddammit

ATaco

decimal n = 3m

The m stands for mdecimal

lyxal

03:55

@ATaco maybe for a programming degree, probably not for a math degree

caird coinheringaahin g

"Write a program to calculate the inverse of an integer matrix". Here you go: æ*-

Rydwolf Programs

@lyxal Wait wait wait please tell me Decimal is a decimal type not an actual rational type

caird coinheringaahin g

@RydwolfPrograms No, Decimal is for rationals

ATaco

@lyxal math scares and confuses me

caird coinheringaahin g

You can get decimals, but it also handles exact rationals

Rydwolf Programs

03:55

:|

caird coinheringaahin g

@ATaco Math scares and confuses us all, just some people need to learn more than others to reach the fear and confusion

Unrelated String

@RydwolfPrograms in this case it's a faithful rendering of the old /ʃtʃ/ cluster (still standard in ukrainian)... but it's a faithful rendering that's stuck spelling the /ʃ/ as sch without any other dedicated multigraph for /tʃ/

Rydwolf Programs

Numbers are kinda cursed ngl

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing good luck teaching that to everyone. If only there were a golflang that didn't require understanding tacit and supported rationals by default

caird coinheringaahin g

If my degree taught people Vyxal, then at that point, I'd already have learnt it :P

Rydwolf Programs

03:57

Lyxal you should get into academia and teach people Vyxal

Maybe it'll catch on among academics like Haskell and trickle down to the normals

Aiden Chow

imagine teaching code golf in an academic setting lmao

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing only one person out of the cohort though

Rydwolf Programs

Course ID 6901: Fundamentals of Computer Code Golf

caird coinheringaahin g

@lyxal The way some of the people on my course treat Python, one person already knowing it might be above average

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing what awful programming practices are they teaching y'all anyway?

PyGamer0

04:11

@lyxal python has Fractions

Jo King

04:27

@cairdcoinheringaahing import decimal;third = decimal.Decimal(1)/decimal.Decimal(3);print(third*3) => 0.999...

as pygamer points out, you probably want fractions

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06:54

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Q: Shortest Code to Reverse a String in Place

Your task is to write the shortest possible code in any language to reverse a string in place without using any additional memory than for basic operation. Write a program that takes a string as input and modifies it in place by reversing the string without using any additional memory. That is, y...

code-golf string

lyxal

I’m voting to close this question because because the requirement to not allocate memory for additional copies of the input string is objectively unobservable - does creating memory for every character of the input but the last count as making memory for the input string? Does making memory for individual characters count as making memory for the input string? And what about languages where you can't directly inspect memory (like interpreted languages)? — lyxal 34 secs ago

Do y'all agree with that or have I missed something that makes it observable?

/srs question because there might be some way of telling I don't know about

Aiden Chow

07:10

@lyxal ok well they literally edited that out, now its just a reverse a string challenge...

lyxal

Reverse string in place

Which is still unobservable

Aiden Chow

lol true

its probably a dupe of some other existing challenge anyways (unless we dont have a reverse a string challenge?)

The Thonnu

mousetail

07:26

@lyxal It's observable, since we allow restricted-complexity and this is effectively that. No using extra memory proportional to the size of the string

ATaco

I'm still concerend about duplicate status.

Aiden Chow

@mousetail and theres restricted-memory too

ATaco

a.reverse() solves it.

mousetail

No answers on either question would be valid on the other so I think it's not duplicate

It's impossible to read a string from stdin in place

ATaco

That's true, I can't deny that

Though the restriction is very hard to enforce for many languages.

emanresu A

07:31

^ is the problem

mousetail

You can test it by passing in a really long string and proving it takes less than 2*n memory at it's peak

ATaco

Funky3 is a compiled language, though it can't work with strings at any level without making a bunch of accidental copies. Is it forbidden from competing?

mousetail

Yes, I don't think it's a problem if a language can't compete because it can't meet the requirements

ATaco

Brainfuck needs to make at least 1 copy to take input

mousetail

Brainfuck doesn't have functions so wouldn't be able to compete anyways

ATaco

07:33

The only competing languages would be a handful of memory-careful languages.

Rust, C, is about it.

(ASM, obv)

mousetail

I really don't see that as a problem

Though I think you could do it in languages like python and javascript too with bytearrays and buffers respectiveely

ATaco

Definitely no way to prove in either python nor javascript objectively that no extra copies were allocated

mousetail

You can inspect the memory layout

Any debugger can do that

And more simply you can check how much memory usage changes compared to the size of the input string like restricted-complexity

Bubbler

A probably interesting challenge: given a UTF8-encoded string as a byte sequence, reverse its characters and output the resulting byte sequence.

mousetail

Does it need to support emoji?

Aiden Chow

07:37

@Bubbler errr can u explain whats difficult about it for someone like me who dont know much about how utf 8 work

Bubbler

Yes in terms of codepoint range, but let's define a "character" as a single codepoint

Aiden Chow

im thinking just reverse the list... im assuming its obviously not that simple

mousetail

Characters in utf-8 have different lengths

Bubbler

one codepoint is encoded to 1, 2, 3, or 4 bytes as utf8

and the main challenge is to keep the bytes position within each region that encodes a single codepoint

mousetail

In most languages this challenge would be about detecting utf-16 surrogate pairs and reversing them

Then doing the rest in utf-16 with native functions

Aiden Chow

07:40

da hell is utf 16

Bubbler

@mousetail actually it will be more complex in languages with utf-16 strings instead of utf-8

mousetail

That's most languages unfortunatly

Bubbler

true that lol

mousetail

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Q: Should UTF-16 be considered harmful?

I'm going to ask what is probably quite a controversial question: "Should one of the most popular encodings, UTF-16, be considered harmful?" Why do I ask this question? How many programmers are aware of the fact that UTF-16 is actually a variable length encoding? By this I mean that there are c...

unicode

Bubbler

@AidenChow another encoding for unicode, which uses 2 bytes per char, except for codepoints 65536 and above which uses 2x2 bytes

mousetail

07:44

The issue with utf-16 is you can "almost" assume a constant width per character so most software does even though it's not actually always true leading to a lot of "fun"

Bubbler

hell, even language server protocol has utf-16 as the column offset standard

which broke emacs + rust-analyzer

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Q: Voronoi-Lloyd ASCII art

Voronoi diagram is a partition of a plane (or part of plane) into regions close to each of a given set of objects ("seeds"). Here we’ll be dealing with discrete arrays or even rather with ASCII-art: Since it is not difficult to draw a discrete Voronoi diagram, we will go a little further and con...

code-golf ascii-art array geometry

ATaco

08:03

Jalapeño uses a modified UTF8 to encode its strings, despite being written in C# which has UTF-16 strings

(Although the source file is a charset-less binary, or UTF-8 string, depending on flags)

Aiden Chow

08:31

@ParclyTaxel i just golf my number to binary piet answer by another 2 bytes and also fix the leading 0 problem for 0 and 1 input that u mentioned :D

ok well wait i couldve trivially saved 2 bytes on my previous 44 byte program, so really i just fix the leading 0 problem with no byte save lol

@Bubbler ik u hella good at piet, u should try doing the number to binary challenge in piet. u could probably easily beat my score tbh lol

i want to do another challenge in piet... maybe fizzbuzz but that sounds like a pain to plan out, and if there are any bug it would be a hassle to even find it...

Parcly Taxel

08:47

@Bubbler please try and improve on my factorial Piet answer for the vanilla factorial challenge too

mousetail

@AitzazImtiaz Love the detailed biography in your profile

Aiden Chow

09:01

@ParclyTaxel can u send a link to that again?

Parcly Taxel

09:38

3

A: The vanilla factorial challenge

Piet + ascii-piet, 34 bytes (2×17=34 codels) tlqrjccskfeurmuuI ???c?viqdltt ii Try Piet online!

@AidenChow ^

Aitzaz Imtiaz

@mousetail thanks so much :) I really fancy her a lot after diagnosed to hallucinations

btw guys I have a problem here, if someone sees this code:

import cv2

def cartoonize_video():
cap = cv2.VideoCapture(0)
while True:
ret, frame = cap.read()
if not ret:
break

# Apply bilateral filter to reduce noise while preserving edges
filtered = cv2.bilateralFilter(frame, 9, 250, 250)

# Apply color quantization to reduce the number of colors
# in the image, giving it a cartoonish appearance
quantized = cv2.cvtColor(filtered, cv2.COLOR_BGR2RGB)
quantized = cv2.resize(quantized, (32, 32), interpolation = cv2.INTER_AREA)
quantized = cv2.resize(quantized, frame.shape[:2][::-1], interpolation = cv2.INTER_NEAREST)

How can I full screen, flip the image in this opencv function?

it seems indentation does not works :|

mousetail

09:59

You need to indent every line with 4 spaces

there is a button for it

Markdown in chat is literally hell

Aitzaz Imtiaz

import cv2

# Open the video capture device (usually the default camera)
cap = cv2.VideoCapture(0)

# Set the display to full screen
cv2.namedWindow("Flipped and Tooned", cv2.WINDOW_NORMAL)
cv2.setWindowProperty("Flipped and Tooned", cv2.WND_PROP_FULLSCREEN, cv2.WINDOW_FULLSCREEN)

# Loop through each frame in the video stream
while True:
# Capture a frame from the video stream
ret, frame = cap.read()

# Flip the frame horizontally
flipped_frame = cv2.flip(frame, 1)

# Apply the cartoon filter
gray_frame = cv2.cvtColor(flipped_frame, cv2.COLOR_BGR2GRAY)

I copy pasted to check it

like it stops indentation while copy pasting

mousetail

You need to indent every line with 4 spaces

Even blank lines

Aitzaz Imtiaz

thanks!

mousetail

The "fixed font" button does it for you

Aitzaz Imtiaz

import cv2

# Open the video capture device (usually the default camera)
cap = cv2.VideoCapture(0)

# Set the display to full screen
cv2.namedWindow("Flipped and Tooned", cv2.WINDOW_NORMAL)
cv2.setWindowProperty("Flipped and Tooned", cv2.WND_PROP_FULLSCREEN, cv2.WINDOW_FULLSCREEN)

# Loop through each frame in the video stream
while True:
    # Capture a frame from the video stream
    ret, frame = cap.read()

    # Flip the frame horizontally
    flipped_frame = cv2.flip(frame, 1)

    # Apply the cartoon filter

oh, it works

fr, I am so bad at opencv

Unrelated String

12:32

aren't we all

Unrelated String

12:52

i'm legitimately mad that i just spent like 5 minutes writing an answer to this before noticing just how much other bullshit is piled on top

requiring alphanumeric digits? thematically appropriate, that's fine
case folding? ehhh
handling signs? what
VALIDATION?

i need some fucking sleep

this is what i had in jelly before i noticed the validation if anyone wants to steal it

can definitely be golfed but i no longer want to

(for starters, by making it use program output for the minus sign :P)

mousetail

Yea the +- sign rule made me not want to solve it

Ginger

13:21

egsreignt

time to do more work on Rabbit

I heard yall liked structs and traits, which is lucky for you, because that's what we're doing today

mousetail

Will you rewrite RabbitMQ in rabbit once it's done?

Ginger

will I rewrite what now

mousetail

RabbitMQ

Ginger

never heard of it

mousetail

One of the most popular message queues

lyxal

13:23

@Ginger did you mean B irwindale DolceIengagement or "ᶴ₄ᴴ¯Ωsᴴ”?

Ginger

no, I meant egsreignt

lyxal

you clearly don't ~~own an air fryer~~ use Vyxal's version of SSS :p

mousetail

Me failing to explain golfing to random discord peeps

lyxal

someone just invented MGS :p

Ginger

lmao

@mousetail tell them Ginger says hi

Bbrk24

13:28

Okay but seriously how do the “log256(96)” languages work? How do you have <s>fractional</s> irrational bit counts?

Ginger

magic

lyxal

@Ginger ooh ooh me too

@mousetail tell them lyxal also says hi

mousetail

@Bbrk24 I think they are bullshit because you only compare between the same language anyways and it just makes everything needlessly complicated

Bbrk24

okay can you just not do strikethrough here

lyxal

@Bbrk24 that's a good question. iirc we just assume a machine exists that can run irrational bytes

@Bbrk24 ---like this---

~~I surrounded this text in 3 dashes on each side and now it's striked-through~~

Bbrk24

13:30

@lyxal My device automatically converts two hyphens to an em dash so I can’t do that :(

Ginger

@Bbrk24 don't worry, I haven't seen a single person who's gotten chat strikethrough right first try

@Bbrk24 ಠ_ಠ

mousetail

13:43

Anyway my coworker wrote this: element.innerHTML = element.innerHTML.replace(element.innerHTML, ""); can someone experienced with JS say if this has any potential purpose

Bbrk24

that reminds me of a weird wasm problem I ran into once

it complained that the file began with "<!DO" rather than "\0asm". I don’t know why or how that happened.

Ginger

lyxal

→ 59 battle cries moved to the emoji arena

mousetail

Please someone who actually knows what they are talking about

Ginger

;-;

Bbrk24

13:46

If I remember the argument order right, x.replace(x, '') should just be empty string

lyxal

yeah, that just looks like a convoluted way of writing element.innerHTML = ""

mousetail

Yea the purpose is to clear a element, he said something about triggering event listeners but I don't know what event listeners would be triggered by innerHTML, especially since the only contents of that div was a few spaces

Bbrk24

Even if modifying innerHTML did trigger an event listener, that wouldn’t avoid it

Rydwolf Programs

14:18

@mousetail My guess is it used to only replace part of it then they changed it to the whole thing and didn't notice the replace was now useless

mousetail

I specifically asked them and they said they did it on purpose

Rydwolf Programs

...

Yeah I'm 90% sure that x.replace(x, ...) is a no-op

And I think .innerHTML will have to have the same value for all of those calls since JS is single threaded (anything that can modify the DOM is, at least)

Rydwolf Programs

14:41

@Ginger I've said it before, it's like a rite of passage to becoming a regular chat user :p

We should name our off-topic room "Strikethrough is ---"

Oh and speaking of naming the off-topic room, any objection to me going ahead and doing it? We seem to have decided on The Sand Trap (it's got as many votes as the sum of 2nd and 3rd place)

Going once

in The Sand Trap, 10 secs ago, by Rydwolf Programs

room topic changed to The Sand Trap: Room for discussions off-topic to CGCC (on-topic discussions should go to https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/240/the-nineteenth-byte) (no tags)

Lmk if we change our minds

room topic changed to The Nineteenth Byte: General discussion for codegolf.stackexchange.com | Guidelines: cgcc-se.github.io/chatiquette | Use chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/136286/the-sand-trap for off-topic discussion (no tags)

mousetail

So now acronym will be TSP

Rydwolf Programs

TST

mousetail

TST

Rydwolf Programs

The classic "crying and licking my nose" emoticon

mousetail

First you golf in TNB then you realize the test cases are failing in TST

caird coinheringaahin g

15:02

@lyxal We love them doing from module import * with about 10 different modules as the start :/

Ginger

15:37

> We love them doing

huh?

PyGamer0

in flax, 16 secs ago, by PyGamer0

now for code aesthetics which looks better? ("num", "num") OR "num-num"

i like the latter

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16:07

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Q: Just Friends (in code golf)

We already have challenges dealing with simulating vanilla Conway's Game of Life, Wireworld and rule 110, but so far none corresponding to a (specific) non-totalistic rule. So here is one. In June 2000 David Bell described the Just Friends rule, which uses the same square grid and two states as r...

code-golf cellular-automata

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Q: Smallest Ascii String

Description In this challenge, you need to write a function that takes in a list of strings and returns the smallest string based on their ASCII value. You should assume that the input list contains only lowercase alphabetical strings. Test Cases ["a", "b", "c"] => "a" ["hello", "world", "code"] =>

code-golf string array

Seggan

16:30

@Bbrk24 basically a computer can be theoretically built that can use any number of values for a bit

for example, if you tried measuring something stored on a ternary computer in the byte sense, youd get an irrational byte count

Aitzaz Imtiaz

but do the computers like such actually exist or are in a virtual environment? like are golfing languages in virtual environment and cannot be compiled?

Seggan

trinary computers do exist, but specifically Fig's scoring system computer is a virtual one

to expand on what i was saying: a tryte (trinary byte) can hold 6,561 possible values, as opposed to the 256 values of a byte

Aitzaz Imtiaz

I am curious that can we buy them, are they in market or just institutions?

Seggan

so one tryte is exactly log_256(6561) bytes, or ~1.5849625007211561814537389439478... bytes

Aitzaz Imtiaz

sorry, i just post new questions, I don't know golfing stuff :P

Ginger

16:36

@Seggan just finished the AST converter!

Seggan

noice!

Ginger

~~dance party time~~

Seggan

GH?

@AitzazImtiaz the soviets had em iirc for a bit until binary took over

> The world's first unbalanced ternary semiconductor design on a large wafer was implemented by the research team led by Kim Kyung-rok at Ulsan National Institute of Science and Technology in South Korea, which will help development of low power and high computing microchips in the future.

from the wiki page

Aitzaz Imtiaz

oh, Americans :( those computers might be powerful then existing ones?

Seggan

so no, you cant buy them right now, but they have been constructed at one point in time or another

> The first modern, electronic ternary computer, Setun, was built in 1958 in the Soviet Union at the Moscow State University by Nikolay Brusentsov, and it had notable advantages over the binary computers that eventually replaced it, such as lower electricity consumption and lower production cost.

Ternary computer

A ternary computer, also called trinary computer, is one that uses ternary logic (i.e., base 3) instead of the more common binary system (i.e., base 2) in its calculations. This means it uses trits (instead of bits, as most computers do). == Types of states == Ternary computing deals with three discrete states, but the ternary digits themselves can be defined differently: Ternary quantum computers use qutrits rather than trits. A qutrit is a quantum state that is a complex unit vector in three dimensions, which can be written as | Ψ ⟩...

Ginger

16:38

@Seggan one second

Aitzaz Imtiaz

i gonna read it, the wiki page, i kinda like this stuff

Ginger

github.com/GingerIndustries/Rabbit

Seggan

noice

~~now lets see how much you copied~~

@Ginger im impressed by the antlr

whats proceed?

Ginger

that's going to be used in matchs, once I add them

Seggan

i dont see why you need a return_type rule

Ginger

16:47

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

Seggan

just replace it with ARROW type everywhere

makes the ast converter less complicated

or if you want, ARROW returnType=type

Ginger

29 secs ago, by Ginger

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

what I have now works fine

Rydwolf Programs

LDQ: Should numbers/strings/arrays be usable in place of bools in a statically typed language?

Seggan

then you can do ctx.returnType.type() instead of this

Ginger

-1, that's funny :p

@RydwolfPrograms in what context?

Seggan

16:49

@RydwolfPrograms no

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger Like in if statements

Ginger

I'm going to say no, for consistency reasons

automatic bool casting makes your code all squishy :b

Rydwolf Programs

"Soggy"?

Ginger

whoops

Seggan

boolean_literal: value=(TRUE | FALSE); the value= in there is useless

just make BOOLEAN a lexer token

Ginger

16:51

I did, and that broke things for some reason

Seggan

then just ctx.BOOLEAN().text.toBoolean()

Ginger

🤮

nooooo

Seggan

@Ginger was it BOOLEAN: 'true' | 'false'?

Bbrk24

I found a way to crash the swift compiler

If constant-folding causes integer overflow, sometimes it just crashes

Ginger

@Seggan it was BOOLEAN: TRUE | FALSE (with those equal to 'true' and 'false'), but I'm not changing what I have right now, because it works fine

Bbrk24

16:52

One-line repro: print("Hello, World!".reduce(into: 0) { $0 += $1.asciiValue ?? 0 })

Seggan

@Ginger well thats a bad rationale for not changing it

Bbrk24

…sorry to interrupt. I just wanted to share that

Aitzaz Imtiaz

github.com/AitzazImtiaz/ImtiazGermainCpp

Most terrible github repo ranked above

Seggan

@Bbrk24 dont be sorry; interruptions are mostly ignored here

Ginger

^ lol

Aitzaz Imtiaz

16:55

wasted :(

Seggan

@AitzazImtiaz why

Aitzaz Imtiaz

bruu, I made an interuption

So i am wasted

Seggan

no ure not

Aitzaz Imtiaz

thanks so much!

Seggan

we dont ignore you, we ignore the interruption itself

Aitzaz Imtiaz

16:56

thats weird :D

Seggan

quite a lot of times you may see two convos going at once

mathcat

we also ignore messages above 28 bytes

Aitzaz Imtiaz

yea, and sometimes it really confuses how to classify on topic and of topic

Seggan

we dont have a distinct line for that

most coding/computer/some math stuff we consider on topic

Aitzaz Imtiaz

What if i suddenly come here for proffessional help? like i wrote a research paper and say here to someone that give a comment on it?

Seggan

16:58

yeah this aint the place for it

this is code golf and coding challenges

theres always ~~Off-Topic TNB~~ The Sand Trap

Aitzaz Imtiaz

if the research paper is related to above?

Seggan

(we renamed it a few hours ago)

Aitzaz Imtiaz

That gives me discord vibes of the sand trap

Seggan

@AitzazImtiaz idk

this isnt the place for professional help anyway

if you want to be safe, offtopic tnb is the place

Aitzaz Imtiaz

i guess so it is, Terrence Tao uploads questions on MO for his research papers

thanks for advise above

well, honestly i get jumpscares whenever i see that notification box pops up with something, seeing that i doubt it is a comment that leads to black death of a question

mathcat

17:11

@AitzazImtiaz huh, TIL

Aitzaz Imtiaz

what is TIL @mathcat

oh, just googled it

Ginger

18:54

LDQ: How should I do module layouts: Java-style package statements or Python-style directory layouts?

Rydwolf Programs

19:12

Rust's method is really confusing at first but super powerful

You can basically map file/directory layouts to module structures arbitrarily, but by default it's a sensible mapping from directory structure to module structure

I would recommend that

Basically the combination of mod and pub use

Seggan

@Ginger package

lets youu combine multiple files into one module

Bbrk24

19:36

Swift doesn't let you have two files in the same package with the same name, even if they're in completely different folders

Ginger

19:51

I'm going to go with the Java method, except without the giant reverse-domain package names

Bbrk24

Personally I prefer the C# method: everything is namespaced in a similar hierachy to how Java does it, but a) the base name is shorter (MyProject rather than org.myorg.myproject) and b) the main code doesn't have to be in a namespace at all

Ginger

can't do b due to the structure of Rabbit's module system

Bbrk24

Well I think C# lets you do either: a static void Main as in Java, or top-level code as in Python (but obviously not both). But yeah, makes sense if you can't support that

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Q: Counting Letters in a String

Write a program or function that takes in a string and outputs a count of each letter in the string, case-insensitive. Input: A string consisting of printable ASCII characters (code points 32-126). Output: A list of pairs, where each pair consists of a letter and its count in the string. The list...

code-golf string array

Seggan

20:58

@Bbrk24 this

@Ginger yeah good idea

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