The Nineteenth Byte

Aira Thunberg

21:03

@ParclyTaxel congrats, just do not forget us when you become a site moderator :P

Aiden Chow

@ParclyTaxel wow dang

mathcat

cool!

Aira Thunberg

guys I want help regarding chat laws, can I seek off-topic help here in chat room?

like asking for help for something revelant

like imagine asking here for help regarding some relevant coding homework?

Aiden Chow

@AiraThunberg theres an off topic chat room

Aira Thunberg

really? can you please share link?

Aiden Chow

21:09

@AiraThunberg check the room description

Aira Thunberg

oh i see, thanks so much!

Aiden Chow

although for coding help i think its fine on the main room

theres even been math questions asked here before so coding questions should be fine

Aira Thunberg

i was writing a journal article, a research thingy and wanted someone comment on it

so what should I do?

I mean i wish someone sees and comment on it, is it a fine place for this?

Aiden Chow

from cgcc-se.github.io/chatiquette: "Don't promote your own content too much. Promoting your own content is absolutely OK, but there is definitely a point at which it becomes excessive. Avoid promoting off-site material unless it's related to the topic of discussion."

Aira Thunberg

can you tell specifically what you mean here?

Aiden Chow

21:14

generally u dont want to promote off site content unless its related to the topic of discusssion

Aira Thunberg

oh, so I mean i cannot do it here but in an off-topic Math SE chat room?

Aiden Chow

i mean if its a math journal article im not sure how constructive our comments can be compared to ppl on math se

ATaco

I am not good at Math, no sir

Aiden Chow

especially considering some of us r literally teenagers still in high school

Aira Thunberg

including me also lol, I am barely 16

or i was not supposed to share that information

* gulps *

Aiden Chow

21:17

oh i had an impression that u were older lol

ATaco

CS and Maths are separate subjects for a reason dang nabbit

Aira Thunberg

do i look old from my profile sir? :(

ATaco

@AiraThunberg Never a good idea to share info like that with internet strangers. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

Aira Thunberg

eh thanks, well it was not really such sensitive information, I literally made a friend over SE.

Aiden Chow

@ATaco that sounds threatening lol, but yea generally dont share that with ppl, but in this case its fine cuz we r a very chill group :P

ik ive shared my age here on multiple occassions

Aira Thunberg

21:20

Well, i was wondering are we doing general discussion or off-topic, how to separate these terms>

?*

ATaco

If it's tangentally related to programming/code-golf it's usually in the clear

Aiden Chow

yea and if its completely unrelated to those things, probably a better fit in off-topic

Aira Thunberg

thanks!

ATaco

Back in My Day™ Off-Topic was perfectly fine so long as it wasn't interrupting on-topic conversation.

Then the infamous Signal to Noise post was made

Aiden Chow

lmao the days before off-topic room

Aira Thunberg

21:24

Bru :( I just noticed I earned maximum reputation and i cannot earn more now

so wierd

ATaco

I believe that's a daily cap

Aira Thunberg

yes, its unfair though

Aiden Chow

dang nice, i dont think ive ever reached the daily rep limit before

ATaco

Designed to harden against people sock boosting

Aira Thunberg

but, I am sad now :(

when you can get more but you know you cannot

what is sock boosting?

Aiden Chow

21:25

@AiraThunberg using alt accounts to boost ur rep

Aira Thunberg

i do not think so that is genuine, like who uses alt account to boost rep until bounty trends are seen

so I will lost all my reputation in this period which i can gain?

lose* omg, my english teacher gonna kill me ngl

ATaco

Such is rep cap

Aira Thunberg

means?

Aiden Chow

im not entirely sure what u mean, but alt accounts can simply upvote the main accounts posts, no need for bounties

Aira Thunberg

oh

thats true

ATaco

21:28

Without a rep cap, an insidious actor could make a post, have various sock puppet accounts upvote them to the required 10k rep, then 11 everything to death.

Aira Thunberg

RIP Innocent Bystanders with no fault including you and me

ATaco

Rep cap isn't that punishing I find, it adds diminishing returns for particularly fantastic answers/questions and promotes continued activity in the community.

Aiden Chow

yea and also the fact that most days u wont even get close to the rep cap in the first place

Aira Thunberg

bru that means I am sock puppet?

Aiden Chow

unless u posting a code golf question every day lol

@AiraThunberg errrr r u?

Aira Thunberg

21:31

not really, but my friend is helping me make such nice questions

and he is here on Golf Code SE

Ngl I will not upvote his answers no matter they win nobel prize * gulps *

Aiden Chow

ummm if ur friend has one acct and u have another, how is that indicative of a sock puppet?

ATaco

Helping your friend is perfectly fine

Aiden Chow

^

ATaco

And one account can only provide so much rep

(About 10 per q/a)

Aira Thunberg

But we both may sometimes have same network source

is that punishing?

like sometimes I visit his house and connect on his network

ATaco

21:34

Nah, that's harmless.

Aira Thunberg

there is another crappy thing, he has a bad history on MSE and MO

Aiden Chow

that wont affect u

only him

Aira Thunberg

Can i upvote his answers freely?

like if they already seem upvoted massively

ATaco

There's very few automated systems

You're in the clear

Aiden Chow

^

Aira Thunberg

21:35

like imagine his post has atleast 5 upvotes and I upvote him... thanks, I can eat a taco now

ATaco

This aint tiktok or twitter, no shadow-bans here

Aiden Chow

yea and on the off chance u r picked up by an automated system a mod can always look into it and ull be fine

Aira Thunberg

i think now I am happy :d

:D*

ugh, hi!

Aitzaz Imtiaz

bruu, I like this chat so much,

like imagine helping someone when they feel the person who is helping is sussy

Aira Thunberg

. sorry dude, just my privacy concerns :3

Aitzaz Imtiaz

21:39

guys, anyways I was here to talk about SandBox

Can I use community wiki on sandbox?

will it hurt my reputation using sandbox?

ATaco

Why community wiki a sandbox post O.o

Aitzaz Imtiaz

so if you type in something wrong, downvotes do not affect you

ATaco

A downvote is only worth -2 rep

Which is 1/5th of an upvote

Aitzaz Imtiaz

but it means a world to me and aira

Aira Thunberg

yas, i agree

ATaco

21:40

Plus, different community, technically

Don't fear the -1s, a single +1 protects against 5 of them

Aitzaz Imtiaz

so it would not impact the main account?

Aira Thunberg

i am not motivated by Taco, Aitzaz lol

Aitzaz Imtiaz

same XD

ATaco

I think they are connected, actually

Aiden Chow

@AitzazImtiaz downvotes and upvotes in meta dont affect rep in main

Aitzaz Imtiaz

21:42

so a down rep is on both sides

oh,

ATaco

The toughest of steel is forged in the hottest of fire! Tough it out!

Aiden Chow

no they are separate

Aitzaz Imtiaz

thats nice then

user

@Ginger Consider naming your language Pika instead: they're super cute, they're a keystone species, they're endangered, and your file extension could be .pk rather than .rbt, which requires using the same finger (even with hyper's middle finger typing technique, it's tough to type)

Aitzaz Imtiaz

dude Aira, you literally copied a question here from my book on this platform

Aira Thunberg

21:43

but you allowed me that Aitzaz :D

ATaco

Please do not do that where possible

Aiden Chow

unless with permission

Aitzaz Imtiaz

Well, I gave her permission eh

user

@AitzazImtiaz The sandbox is in meta, and votes on meta have no effect on rep

Aiden Chow

um well its fine then??

ATaco

21:43

Oh, your book as in, you authored it?

Aitzaz Imtiaz

yes sir

user

Oh wait Aiden Chow already said that

ATaco

Yeah that'll do it

user

Ooh, what book?

Aitzaz Imtiaz

she copied Chapter 1, section 6 named AG series of my book and posted it as Bumping Series

amazon.com/Research-Century-Aitzaz-Imtiaz/dp/B0BKMVDVLY/…

it is #306 on Amazon rn

Aiden Chow

21:45

ok well u gave permission right, so its fine

user

Cool

Aira Thunberg

did you just forget I helped you compile 50 theorems in your book, and you did not even credit me that I helped you with it.

Aiden Chow

oh dear

Aitzaz Imtiaz

thats an old story, off-topic

Aiden Chow

maybe u two should sort this out not on a public chat room???

Aitzaz Imtiaz

21:46

exactly

Aira Thunberg

but let the world know, his book is so famous

google.com/…

but I am not even mentioned in it

ATaco

please do not have this discussion here

Aitzaz Imtiaz

please stay on-topic

ATaco

That sort of tea does not belong here

Aiden Chow

^

Aira Thunberg

21:47

eh, sorry guys

Aiden Chow

as i said, bring it off this chat r oom please

Aitzaz Imtiaz

^

user

(or in the Off-Topic TNB room btw)

You can make your own personal chat room though, there's a button just for that

Aitzaz Imtiaz

I love this place

Aiden Chow

please discuss this privately not on any public rooms

Aitzaz Imtiaz

21:48

relax my guy chow, she is smart enough to understand chat room etiquette

user

@AitzazImtiaz The Earth is pretty great, right? I love it so much here, I don't think I'll ever leave it

Aiden Chow

i hope you two can sort this out in peaceful terms though

Aitzaz Imtiaz

but I mean i really love this chat system

user

You're the first to say they like SE chat lol

Everyone calls it an ancient, broken mess

Aira Thunberg

@AidenChow never mind, I have a big heart lol

Aitzaz Imtiaz

21:49

no really, I mean you can create chat rooms, be relevant

even existence of a chat room is a big deal

user

Ah yeah

Discord does have threads now, but it's not the same, they're more temporary

Aitzaz Imtiaz

but they are not a Q&A site like us

ATaco

Anyone working on new langs of intrest?

user

I've been working on the same lang for 2 years :P

Aitzaz Imtiaz

I and Aira are learning Fortran, right Aira?

Aira Thunberg

21:51

yea, but I am also trying to learn golfing

Aiden Chow

@ATaco new coding lang u mean?

Aira Thunberg

prob, yea

ATaco

Well I'm not against conlangs

user

@user It involves being able to pass implicits to methods (both at runtime and at compile-time) and also returning implicits (at compile-time), so you can basically have first-class proofs

ATaco

Oooo

Aiden Chow

21:52

i think i saw att recently using his new lang, i forgot what it was called though

or wait was it att? i forgot

it was like neko smth

Aira Thunberg

Ayo, this guy is so smart

3

A: Bumping Series Implementation

Charcoal, 21 bytes ＮθＩ⊘×⊕θＸ²↔⁻θ⊕×⊖⌈₂θ⌈₂θ Try it online! Link is to verbose version of code. Outputs the nth term. Explanation: Ｎθ First input as a number θ First input ⊕ Incremented × Multiplied by ² ...

user

Golflang or a different kind of esolang? Or a praclang?

Aitzaz Imtiaz

Aira for god sake do not say someone had an answer for that

Aira Thunberg

well, hell yes, that is solved now

Aitzaz Imtiaz

what about its sister question on Math SE?

Aiden Chow

21:54

oh wait it was alephalpha, his new lang is called nekomata

Aira Thunberg

not yet solved though, I wish someone has an answer for that

Guys anyone knows how to give bounty to an answer

I really want to give neil a bounty for that awesome answer

Aitzaz Imtiaz

give it to me perhaps

Aira Thunberg

a wise man told me that is puppet socket thingy

user

@AiraThunberg You will be after 24 hours, I think

lyxal

@user you might actually be right

Aira Thunberg

21:56

@user i saw old answers but for some reason I cannot

lemme make a screenshot or smth

user

Perhaps you don't have enough rep yet?

Aira Thunberg

i have almost 500 rep now sir

Aiden Chow

@user bounties is a 75 rep privilege, they have around 500

user

Oh, I thought you had to wait till 500

@lyxal Ooh

Aira Thunberg

I cannot see a bounty option, I confirm it, I opened a parcly taxel question

wanna see a screenshot?

user

21:57

They even do CPython bindings when compiling to native

@AiraThunberg Sure, why not

Aira Thunberg

bruu, how to even take screenshot at chrome?

i am fond of using edge screen capture

user

Win + Shift + S if on Windows

lyxal

@user then what the hell are we doing implementing everything from scratch!? :p

user

lol

Jacob

cmd+shift+4 if on mac

Aiden Chow

21:59

@AiraThunberg there should be a start a bounty option

Aira Thunberg

there is not :(

or there is, it is tiny

sorry lol

but not for answers,only for questions

user

Yeah, it appears on questions

SE doesn't allow you to choose which answer to award a bounty to beforehand

Aiden Chow

@AiraThunberg obviously, u start a bounty on a question, then u can reward the bounty to an answer to that question

Aira Thunberg

I want to give a bounty to an answer for an exceptional one

Jacob

the bounty feature is implemented weirdly

user

22:01

Choose the "existing answer" bounty reason

Aira Thunberg

like honestly guys literally look at this answer

3

A: Bumping Series Implementation

Charcoal, 21 bytes ＮθＩ⊘×⊕θＸ²↔⁻θ⊕×⊖⌈₂θ⌈₂θ Try it online! Link is to verbose version of code. Outputs the nth term. Explanation: Ｎθ First input as a number θ First input ⊕ Incremented × Multiplied by ² ...

user

And then you can write about how you are going to award Neil's answer

Jacob

it makes sense for regular Q&A like SO but doesn't really fit for this site

Aira Thunberg

i adore that answer literally

user

Check out this question for an example of how to write the bounty

Aira Thunberg

22:02

thanks!

imagine a direct reputation transfer on this site freak

Aiden Chow

well u have to wait 48 hours after the question is posted iirc in order to start a bounty on a question

Aira Thunberg

i literally do not want to moan about site policies tbh

Aitzaz Imtiaz

Aira, I am going to off-topic chat here, feel free to go there

Aira Thunberg

ight

Aitzaz Imtiaz

guys I have a random question suddenly in my mind about socket puppet

imagine i massively start upvoting someone unknown

what are the consequences?

user

22:08

The SE police come to your house and destroy your fridge

Aitzaz Imtiaz

and the other unknown person?

like imagine i suddenly start massive upvotes on your posts

user

Nothing will happen to me except the votes getting reversed one day

Aitzaz Imtiaz

what if you get guilty of that crime you did not commit

socket puppet thing 0_0

user

I don't think they accuse you of voter fraud and stuff just like that

Aitzaz Imtiaz

so how socket thing occurs btw?

user

22:09

It's pretty common to log in and see a -40 or so because some bot upvoted all your top posts, got detected, and the votes were removed

Aitzaz Imtiaz

or how to prove if you claim one

Aiden Chow

@user yea and they probably look into other evidence as well, like maybe ip or smth, idk

user

idk, you just flag it and a mod will check, I guess

Aitzaz Imtiaz

how can I prove itself that a socket puppet is here?

like if i feel i saw a socket puppet

flag post?

user

Yeah

Aitzaz Imtiaz

22:11

thanks, bye guys

user

I had a bunch of upvotes in under a minute on some posts on SO once, so I flagged it, listed some of my posts there, and it was handled

Aitzaz Imtiaz

i hope self promotion was allowed here

[Deleted-Content]

ATaco

One can self-promote, so long a it's kept to a minimum

This is not an advertising platform, after all

Aitzaz Imtiaz

what is minimum and maximum then?

like all of a sudden I start boasting here about my books?

Jacob

you can self promote a bit but be reasonable

Aiden Chow

22:12

@AitzazImtiaz well obviously dont spam it

ATaco

@AitzazImtiaz Prolly be off-topic anyway

Aiden Chow

^

Aitzaz Imtiaz

I wrote one of the best book on C++ if you want your kid to be smart on programming, refer here amazon.com/Neuro-Learn-C-Beginner-Level-ebook/dp/B09ZVJCBPK/…

Now see such message

ATaco

Don't forget to pick up Taco's Tacos™, for a limited time only!

Aitzaz Imtiaz

one says they have weak C++ knowledge

can I write that what I said above?

honestly before the rick roll, it popped up an ad, thanks god

so was that allowed?

Aiden Chow

22:16

im not sure... that certainly seems like a gray area though

ATaco

Honestly I'd recommend avoiding it

Best case it's a bad look

Aiden Chow

yea and its annoying and intrusive

Aitzaz Imtiaz

yep, you are right, to avoid moderator and suspension

hope it not leads bans

ATaco

Moderators are REALLY chill

Don't be disruptive, and you're welcome to self-sabotage

Follow Chattiqute and common sense

Jo King

22:51

as long as i don't click on it, i'm fine

Sandbox Posts

23:33

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Decoding a non injective bit matrix encoding Hello! I have come across this very interesting programming challenge I thought I'd share. The problem You're tasked to decode an encoding of a square bit matrix of certain size, which contains the number of 0 cells per line, column, diagonal (main and...

Codidact Posts

New Posts - Challenges - Code Golf: Decoding a non injective bit matrix encoding

posted on February 26, 2023 by Aftermost2167‭

Hello! I have come across this very interesting programming challenge I thought I'd share. The problem You're tasked to decode an encoding of a square bit matrix of cer...

New Posts

23:53

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Q: Making one shape out of dissections of another

Introduction One question that I have come across recently is the possibility of dissecting a staircase of height 8 into 3 pieces, and then re-arranging those 3 pieces into a 6 by 6 square. Namely, is it possible to dissect the following into 3 pieces: x xx xxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx ...

emanresu A

@NewPosts 1000 rep for solving this in But, Is It Art?

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA lmfao what kinda lang is that

emanresu A

esolangs.org/wiki/But_Is_It_Art%3F

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA bruh i wouldnt even know how to solve my own challenge in python, let alone whatever that monstrosity is

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