@RydwolfPrograms They'd have to be pretty agile to pull that off silently. My closet is narrow and full of stuff. :P

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@RydwolfPrograms Are you trying to threaten Unrelated?

lol

> Shows who's typing in SE cat

@RydwolfPrograms Australia generally doesn't have Attics, so I'm safe

@DLosc huh

How common are attics, by the way?

@ATaco Do you just have sloped ceilings or something?

Flat ceilings are really common

@RydwolfPrograms (for houses big enough to have that, at least)

Can't speak for ATaco, but I live in a townhome with normal ceilings and no attic

Through the wall

No but like

The evaporator or furnace themselves

The place where the attic would be is just blocked

But you still have an attic, just no access to it

Is that still called an attic?

@user I believe attics are quite rare here, most houses have basements.

@ATaco Are the rooves flat too then?

I thought it was only an attic if there's a door and you can store stuff there

@RydwolfPrograms We have a boiler out the back?

@RydwolfPrograms Yeah

In any case, no one's going to be hiding in the ceiling and coming out of it at night. Maybe the pantry

Well that's not scary

Unless your pantry is big and full of spiders

A hidden person anywhere in your house would be scary

That said, I am one australian

I should not speak for all of Australia

There was never any doubt that you were not multiple Australians

Not necessarily, we seem to have a hivemind issue around here

@RydwolfPrograms I had one of those back in 2016-17, but then my webserver died.

Where's lyxal when you need him :P

I just realized - I may have suggested "The Sand Trap" for OTTNB's new name after seeing this and other such messages by Ginger

Don't you hate it when you think you had an original idea but it turns out you were just remembering someone else's idea? :(

@user Hmm, interesting. I would use "attic" as a term for "the part of the house immediately beneath the sloping roof," whether it's a place to sleep in, a place to store stuff, or a place with bare rafters and insulation.

@DLosc Somewhere on Earth, usually

@user Happens far too often

Helen Keller, in her autobiography, says that as a young teenager (IIRC), she wrote a story that received a lot of praise until it was found to be very similar to a previously existing story. She says she didn't plagiarize it intentionally, but it must have been read to her when she was younger, and she internalized it so much that she forgot its original source.

@DLosc hi yes hello that's me

I've replied to your message, I decided

Are you willing to represent All Australians?

@RydwolfPrograms yeah no we don't do attics very much here

Of all the houses I've been to, only one has had an attic

@mathcat depends on what I'm speaking about

I googled "house in australia" and got this: nytimes.com/2021/06/25/world/australia/…

The article is interesting, but more apropos to the current conversation, the picture shows a bunch of houses with pitched roofs

We don't put anything in those roofs

And if we do, it's only insulation because the available space isn't very tall

Also "why are Australian homes so cool"?

Bullshit

They clearly haven't experienced summer

The article's about winter

@lyxal That empty space is what an attic is :p

They're so cool because if they weren't our summers would be lethal.

@RydwolfPrograms no, not really

You can't call 1 meter high space an attic

I would

Regulations disagree

I've got weirder attics than that in my house

+ floor strength is important

Yes there may be roof space, but the ceiling might not be the strongest

As in the floor in the attic space?

Correct

Unless it's a finished aattic, it's usually just horizotal 2×4s with insultation between them over here (maybe with plywood on top for putting boxes on)

i don't know anyone with an attic

as in one that they go in and/or store stuff in

I know of one family who do

Do tiny crawl spaces count as attics?

I say no

That's just roof space

Attic === roof space

An attic is just the space in between the ceiling of finished rooms and the roof IMO

Doesn't imply any particular size, shape, or purpose

@RydwolfPrograms Mezzanines and lofts would like a word with you :p

They are in roof space but are not attics

Well, enclosed roof space then

You can always just incorporate it into the room below and give it a sloped ceiling

We just don't do that here

@RydwolfPrograms Did you try to run something with it, though?

Yeah

The sample program on the readme

It installed just fine, but if I run an empty python program with import lark it says the module isn't found, even though it's listed as installed.

@RydwolfPrograms Very weird. Python3?

@lyxal Do you all just not have sloped rooves, or are they incorporated into the rooms?

@AviFS Yeah, 3.10

@emanresuA Pronouns aren't golfier than my name ;)

Try from lark import Lark maybe?

@RydwolfPrograms I did :(

Did you do pip install lark like it says on the GitHub?

yep

Try pip3 instead of pip maybe?

Cuz there were also some people saying to do pip install lark-parser.

@RydwolfPrograms we don't call them attics

So it sounds like y'all do have Rydwolf-attics, but y'all use "attic" to mean something else

@RydwolfPrograms Do you mind for me installing lark-parser and telling me if you can still import lark?

@JoKing Those sound like requirements for a finished attic, not an attic

We have similar requirements for an attic which is used as part of the living space

@RydwolfPrograms your definition of attic is probably similar to how you spell colour without the u

Because I've tried uninstalling it, but I wonder if somehow having that could've messed it up.

why would your attic be unfinished

wouldn't the rain come in if you leave parts of it out

Because most of them do not meet the code requirements, and/or would be expensive and pointless to finish

@JoKing No, we have shingled rooves

Lemme draw a diagram

I have no idea what to do to fix it.

@RydwolfPrograms it was a joke on the other meaning of finished (complete)

@AviFS FWIW I did my testing in a Docker container

@JoKing ah lol

I have Python 3.10.8, lark 1.1.5, and running on M1 mac.

It's so annoying because I just wrote up the lark grammar for this interpreter, but now I can't use the library anymore, haha

pip install lark-parser works for me too

we don't usually have pitched rooves either (or the angle is very shallow), since we don't need to deal with snow

Neither do I as someone in central Texas lol

Well, usually not...

... wasn't there a whole thing last year or the year before about snowstorms?

There was a massive snowstorm here in 2021 and people died and shit because we do not build things with snow in mind

I had no water for a week and most of the state had no electricity

Rooves are the least of our concerns :p

i would consider snow here to be a sign of nuclear winter

Oh wow:

> Snow is extremely rare in Sydney, with significant snowfall being last reported in the Sydney area on 28 June 1836.

You're not kidding

> Sir Sydney Snow was an Australian businessman and political figure

thanks google

@RydwolfPrograms Oh wow, thank you so much!

I was finally able to fix it by just doing python3 -m pip install lark, instead of pip install lark, which I'd done.

I guess pip is linked to a different python environment? I don't really want to look into that right now, but if anyone knows how to fix that off the top of their heads, that'd be cool!

I think it has to do with the fact that I have homebrew python, so it's over there, and not in /env...

@UnrelatedString Okay yeah, I guess if there's no access it would be fair to call that not an attic

But I don't see why that would be the case...even just for running wires it's handy to have access to those spaces

yeah lol

your definition felt intuitively wrong but i can't think of a single real instance in which it actually disagrees with mine

I think a fully enclosed space would just be called an enclosed space (that's the term they use in naval/industrial contexts, at least)

@cairdcoinheringaahing In fact, two degrees. The other is in computer science

One day someone's gonna get 360 degrees and accidentally cycle back around to preschool

Oh, and a few hours ago I got gold probability tag badge on MathsSE – a stretch goal that conveniently appeared

Well, George P. Burdell has certainly got more than 360 degrees at Georgia Tech