The Nineteenth Byte

Seggan

00:01

I never expected to find a bug with a language, ever

DLosc

00:52

@emanresuA Well, in that case, 37 by not assigning to d at all :D

emanresu A

02:08

@DLosc Then 35 by multiplying by 36 initially

DLosc

03:23

@emanresuA Lol, nice. The stuff Desmos' parser lets you get away with continues to amaze me.

@DLosc QBasic, 34 bytes: SCREEN 9:DRAW"e9d9r9g9d9h5g5u9h9r9

Unrelated String

03:38

gorgeous

l4m2

@DLosc tio.run/##K8go@P9fQT@Gy0ZBwY5LISzs/38A

DLosc

@l4m2 This is graphical-output, so I don't think I can allow that (also, the lines don't meet each other at the corners)

DLosc

04:46

@DLosc PaperScript, 34 bytes: Path.Star([9,9],5,4,9).fillColor=0

Try it here

ATaco

05:06

AHK and Paint, 67 bytes

run mspaint
sleep 2000
click 420,116
click D,14,160
click U,463,595

Running on my machine

DLosc

@ATaco LOL, nice! Is the sleep 2000 because it takes a second for Paint to start up?

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Q: Weighted directed Acyclic graph

Given a weighted directed acyclic graph with N nodes and M edges, where the weight of each edge represents the time it takes to traverse the edge, find the shortest time it takes to reach each node from a given source node. The catch is that you're not allowed to use Dijkstra's algorithm, Bellman...

Aitzaz Imtiaz

guys I have a question, in restricted-complexity, do you need to make a Attempt it online implementation?

mousetail

@AitzazImtiaz It's recomended just like any other challenge. Why would restricted complexity be related to ATO?

Jo King

an online interpreter wouldn't really be proof of restricted complexity

mousetail

I can make a O(1) algorithm that would still take 1000 years

Aitzaz Imtiaz

XD i actually have two algorithm tweaks for this and I am posting one

Jo King

05:53

> The catch is that you're not allowed to use Dijkstra's algorithm
> This solution uses a heap-based implementation of Dijkstra's algorithm

Aitzaz Imtiaz

heap-based implementation :D

not the algo itself

"Things straight out of textbooks and the like don't usually count as good questions on this site. Either it or a very similar question has been asked before, like your maximum subarray problem, or the implementation becomes boring as your answer shows."

I think uploading questions from a math textbook is legit here?

Jo King

i feel like this should be closed for clarity, we usually don't allow disallowing specific approaches because it is hard to define whether an answer uses that approach

e.g. where you literally say you're using Dijkstra, but somehow that isn't Dijkstra?

Aitzaz Imtiaz

shall I make a concession instead?

to keep time complexity and use all those algorithms?

Jo King

Yeah sure, i don't know if that would make it a good question, but at least it would be clear?

Aitzaz Imtiaz

" should be closed for clarity" I agree to this unfortunately but let me edit it

I did the edits that keep clarity ig?

Bubbler

06:26

If you want to just show off cool algorithms like this, please write a blog post, not a challenge here

There's nothing to compete when you already have posted your own solution

user

06:46

@NewPosts @AitzazImtiaz Generally, you want to wait a while to let people answer your challenge before posting your own answer

Especially since this is a fast-algorithm challenge where you seem to already have the fastest algorithm

If it were code golf, there'd be the possibility of further golfing

@AitzazImtiaz Uploading problems from anywhere is fine (as long as you credit your source), but if it's from a textbook, it'll probably have to be edited to be an interesting question here

Agh, I have to suggest edits now

A problem like this will probably have lots of algorithms already. It's unlikely CGCCers will make some huge breakthrough. Maybe if you made a new problem that hasn't been really been studied much, people would have to come up with their own interesting algorithms instead of just copying something from Geeks for Geeks

By the way, don't feel bad about the feedback you're getting, it's hard to write a good challenge. And don't take the downvotes personally, they're just a way for people to rank questions as being interesting/well-done/whatever.

I don't know if you used the Sandbox for this question, but if you didn't, I would highly recommend using it for your next challenge. People can give you feedback on your question and help you make it more interesting so that it's more likely to be a success when you do post it

Simd

09:12

In which language is it most difficult/easy to write a quine?

@Bubbler I guess all there is is to show off your favourite language but I agree it's not a fastest algorithm question

Bubbler

09:24

@Simd easy: 2d languages with string mode (see ><> and Gol><> answers)

hard: those where source and execution model have a different layout (Cubix and Hexagony come to mind, though the latter can be worked around somewhat)

emanresu A

And then there's stuff of mine like positionally and tarfish, which are simply cursed

The Thonnu

@Simd Thunno has a cheat command (zd) which just pushes the source code to the stack

Hard: Unary (I have no idea how someone actually did that)

Unrelated String

09:40

i feel like unary is maybe harder than average but not by that much

like you have to encode the output in a completely different way from how you write the program, but it's a relatively simple way

mousetail

09:56

@Simd It's hard in languages that need a lot of escaping in strings but lack builtins to perform that escaping

Adám

10:07

@Simd Hardest would be Piet, methinks.

New Bounties With No Deadlines

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A: List of bounties with no deadline

1000 rep for a quine in Positionally Positionally is one of my more cursed esolangs. It's a pseudo-1L in that it only has whitespace and non-whitespace commands. What commands do is based on their position in the overall grid, requiring clever routing to be able to do pretty much anything. I'm of...

Sandbox Posts

10:57

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

How many sorting networks? fastest-codesequence Below on the left is a picture of a sorting network that can sort 4 inputs. On the right you can see it sorting the input 3,2,4,1. A sorting network of size n consists of a set of n horizontal wires where two wires can be connected by a vertical wi...

Neil

11:32

unaccepting when you get outgolfed I get, but unupvoting at the same time is rough

lyxal

well hey, at least you have 10 of the -15 unaccept rep back

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Whole Number Groups Given a list of fractions, group them so that each group sums to a while number. This should be done in such a way to maximize the number of groups. You may assume a solution exists. Order does not matter, you may output in any order. Test Cases Fractions Groups 1/2, 1...

New Posts

12:23

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Q: Rotate an Image

This challenge is simple: Take a path to an png image file as input and overwrite that file with a copy of itself rotated 90 degrees clockwise. You may assume that the file has dimensions of 128x128 pixels. You may not use image metadata modifications (like Exif) to rotate the image; the pixels t...

code-golf image-processing

Jo King

@NewBountiesWithNoDeadlines this has the magic words, quine and 2D language, i am obliged to attempt it

Neil

12:44

@lyxal oh, unaccept is -15? for some reason I thought it was less

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13:04

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Approximate a root of an odd degree polynomial code-golf sequence open-ended-function Every odd degree polynomial has at least one real root. However this root does not have to be a rational number so your task is to output a sequence of rational numbers that approximates it. Rules Your input is...

Simd

14:10

Has anyone done a quine in piet?

Rydwolf Programs

@Seggan It is a well designed language :p

@Simd It would depend on the encoding

Now that we have asciipiet it's probably more possible

Ginger

14:36

TIL about Python's while else syntax

mousetail

for else works too

and try else

Ginger

I know about try else

mousetail

Still waiting for with else and def else though

Ginger

cool, it's possible to do async list comprehensions

mousetail

Normal for loops too

and with

Ginger

14:42

I am aware :b

mousetail

Ok seems you know everything already

hyper-neutrino

has python added a way to directly call async functions in synchronous code yet

cuz last time I used python you had to import the event loop from asyncio and invoke the function through that which is really painful compared to JS's "just call the function"

mousetail

That's impossible and always willl be

hyper-neutrino

... no JS does it quite well

I don't need the result of the function

mousetail

JS has only one event loop option though

And has one by default

In python you don't need one and if you do you have options

hyper-neutrino

14:44

fair enough

it's just that this was the main reason I stopped using Python

mousetail

You just need to start your event loop once though

After that it's the same as JS

(You just need to store references to your Tasks somewhere)

hyper-neutrino

is it? I recall that it always warns you about not awaiting coros if you just call an async function in sync context

though I suppose you're supposed to make everything async if you're going to use async but in JS it's a lot easier to mix them if I want to dispatch something in the background but don't care to wait around for it to finish

mousetail

You have to converts cons to tasks

Tasks run in the background

And if they get garbage collected the task is cancelled

Ginger

@hyper-neutrino well, you can do asyncio.run(<method>) to run the coroutine to completion and return its result, which sounds like what you want

mousetail

So there is a bit more administation instead of "fire and forget"

hyper-neutrino

14:49

oh, I see

interesting

Rydwolf Programs

15:07

In the praclang I've been idly designing in my head, the compiler infers what's async

Every async function is awaited by default, and if any functions are awaited in a function it becomes async

In order to get the result of a function non-awaited (as a promise/future), you use some sort of special function call, not sure on the syntax yet

You can also do this for a non-async function, which would be a future that returns immediately

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms maybe like a Rust-style collect()?

Rydwolf Programs

That results in a system where the interface is identical whether a function is async or not, meaning that if you need to make a function async, you don't need to change potentially hundreds of function calls and functions that call that function

@Ginger Wdym?

Like the ::<TYPE> syntax?

So you'd do thing.do_stuff::prom() or something?

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms result = <future>.collect(), and collect would be async and auto-awaited

aw darn

Rydwolf Programs

The point is that <future> would be auto-awaited

Once you have a future you could just .await() or whatever

But it can't be a method after the function call, since at that point it's already been awaited into a non-future

E.g., let's say I have a function called input

Right now input() just pops a list of inputs, and is synchronous

But then, as has happened to me like ten times, I realize I want to support input from the terminal, and thus input needs to be async

So, I just make it async. Now, input's async, so whenever things call input(), the compiler pretends it's input().await()

If I want to, say, take multiple inputs at once, which would mean I need the Futures as objects, I could do input::fut() or whatever twice, then .await() those later (or use a switch/all sorta thing)

I gotta say, programming in Rust for a little while, I miss event-based

It's a fun paradigm to work with

parz

hello

Rydwolf Programs

15:15

Hi!

parz

i have arrived

Rydwolf Programs

We're aware :p

parz

yes. yes you are aware of me saying that i have arrived because i have said a greeting indicating that i have arrived.

o.o

Rydwolf Programs

Yes, and this is just clutter at this point

LDQ: Future vs. Promise

parz

Yes, so… what are we talking of today?

Rydwolf Programs

15:17

Async

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms Future

although that's not really ideal either

Rydwolf Programs

I want your answer in AP History SAQ format

Ginger

I don't like Future, but I really don't like Promise

Task sounds good

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger Why do you dislike Promise?

It's a pretty straightforward description of what it is; a promise that some data will be returned, later

Ginger

it bothers me

Rydwolf Programs

15:21

@Ginger What about a task implies it's asynchronous?

A "task" sounds more like something, probably synchronous, in the event loop

E.g., JS's queueMicrotask

(also why do we continue polluting JS's global namespace in 2023 come on people)

hyper-neutrino

I'm not sure I'm a fan of Promise, because it doesn't have to be resolved lol

like even ignoring the fact that it can error (which i guess you can say is part of the promise; some result), a promise could also theoretically just never do anything like new Promise(() => {})

Rydwolf Programs

Well that's just JS weirdness

hyper-neutrino

it's a fine name though overall

Rydwolf Programs

Trying to make exceptions and async work well together is dumb, once you use Rust-style Results and stuff it's a more sensible name

I guess you could make a Promise that never returns, but you can make a callback that's never called, or a do-while that always does, etc.

hyper-neutrino

yeah that's very fair

also yeah honestly exceptions are kinda annoying; recently I've started returning [result, error] from things fairly often

l4m2

16:07

\$ Can Latex in chat? \$

not at least in this way

Rydwolf Programs

Nope, chat markdown's super limited

l4m2

Do chat from comment turn into this?

Seggan

16:34

@l4m2 yes with ChatJax++

@RydwolfPrograms Future or CompletableFuture like java

@RydwolfPrograms whats event based

Rydwolf Programs

Like Node

Seggan

also forgive me im kinda blind to the discussion i never learned async/await despite trying to understand it

i kinda understand kotlins system

Rydwolf Programs

uh...shit. I was doing a demo of how Firecracker made RTO more secure and I was like "look, I can delete /bin, which would destroy my computer normally, and everything's fine". And then I tried rebooting to leave the VM and I deleted reboot (facepalms)

Seggan

lul

Rydwolf Programs

So I guess I'm just gonna sigkill it

Okay I got my shell back with a kill -9 but Firecracker's still running in the background :|

Well I've killed a bunch of things it's prolly all fine

Ginger

16:54

@RydwolfPrograms who were you demoing to? :p

Rydwolf Programs

My CS class for a free 100 :p

I totally forgot today was presentations so I just tried to figure out how FC worked in like five minutes then showed it off

Ginger

lol

Rydwolf Programs

Java-to-Python converter guy is doing as well as I predicted

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms I don't recall that :b

Rydwolf Programs

He still seems to think the syntax is going to be the hardest part

Excited to see what happens when he gets to their type systems

Seggan

16:59

@RydwolfPrograms huh

Rydwolf Programs

Aug 25, 2021 at 15:12, by Browncat Programs

Oh no...someone in my class is trying to write a program to translate Python to Java, with no knowledge on how either language is parsed/interpreted and no relevant libraries

Seggan

@RydwolfPrograms its not gonna be that hard

@RydwolfPrograms yikes

Rydwolf Programs

He seems to have gotten the parsing worked out, at least

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms lmao

Aug 25, 2021 at 15:13, by PyGamer0

@BrowncatPrograms tell him that i said: "good luck :P"

Seggan

@RydwolfPrograms its actually not gonna be very hard

kotlin on the other hand...

DLosc

17:20

@RydwolfPrograms I think Python to Java would be harder than Java to Python

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah definitely

DLosc

@ATaco Care to write an AutoHotkey + Paint answer to this challenge?

l4m2

@DLosc Key stroke is valid input

DLosc

@l4m2 Okay, true, but I'd still like to see an answer using AHK.

Seggan

17:39

@RydwolfPrograms wait so which way is it

i got mixed up

Rydwolf Programs

Java to Python is what he's been working on recently apparently

Seggan

mhm thats much easier than Python to Java

Python to Java is nigh impossible with the ludicrous amounts of typecasting and method resolution

user

18:01

I don't think so

When converting Python to Java, you could more or less treat all Python objects as Maps

When converting Java to Python, you need to read bytecode, do type inference and type checking, resolve imports, etc. before you can do the transpilation

Rydwolf Programs

He's not doing anything with bytecode

user

If you want to be able to import other Java libraries in your Java code, you need to read their bytecode to tell what's inside them

If you want to transpile a statically typed language into something else, you need to be able to do a lot of the stuff that language's compiler does

Rydwolf Programs

18:22

CMQ: How many ASCII control characters can you name/write down without looking at a chart?

The Thonnu

@RydwolfPrograms null, start of text, end of text, carriage return, linefeed, escape, backspace, delete

That's 8

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA bro damn yall are better at golfing in desmos than me now

thats actually big brain stuff

Rydwolf Programs

I think I can get 26

Might be missing some obvious ones

Oh, I missed rot13(RBG, FV, FB, FLA, RGO, RZ, naq FHO)

The Thonnu

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/63004137/history

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah?

The Thonnu

18:29

We can see the history

Rydwolf Programs

You can always see the history

I rot13'd it so as to not spoil

The Thonnu

Oh, alr

DLosc

@RydwolfPrograms NUL, SOH, BEL, HT (I called it TAB), LF (I called it NL), CR, ESC, BS, VT, ACK, NAK, FF, FS

Rydwolf Programs

That's pretty good. Surprised you remembered FS but not the other three, I always remember those as a single block

DLosc

I remember FF and FS as a pair

@TheThonnu Ah, forgot about DEL

@RydwolfPrograms I have had reason to use NUL, BEL, HT, LF, CR, ESC, and BS, and I've seen VT used in golf.

Seggan

18:42

@user no not really

pythons a dynamic language

you can skip all that

@RydwolfPrograms form feed, LF, CR, SOX?, NUL, EOT, vertical tab, tab, ACK, BEL, SOH

Rydwolf Programs

I'm surprised so many people know SOH and EOT and stuff given that nobody uses them. I guess being close to the start makes them memorable

DLosc

I remembered SOH because of SOH CAH TOA :P

No idea what it does

Rydwolf Programs

I think it was used for like, sending news information?

DLosc

"In message transmission, delimits the start of a message header," quoth Wikipedia

Seggan

oh wait theres DC1, DC2, DC3, DC4 as well

Rydwolf Programs

18:52

@DLosc Oh well that really clears things up :p

DLosc

@DLosc In QBasic, there's a BEEP command that does exactly what you think it does. When I started learning Python, I tried to find something similar. A bit of Googling suggested print "\a", which seemed unnecessarily obscure, but okay, whatever. My main gripe is that it doesn't work in IDLE (it prints a box instead).

Ginger

19:06

@pxeger can Vyxal Inc. use RTO for Vyxal Bot's !!/code command?

yes we have our own service, but it's a janky mess and needs to be rewritten, so we'd like to use RTO while we do that

Rydwolf Programs

RTO or ATO?

I'm assuming you mean the latter unless pxeger has been doing some M&A I wasn't aware of :p

Ginger

ATO, lol

Rydwolf Programs

Oh also, Ginger, your new server is ready. I got my UPS in last night.

Ginger

like ready for me to BEGIN THE [Transfer]?

Rydwolf Programs

I'll need to do some setup, like clearing out anything still running on it, but by tonight/mid-tomorrow it should be ready

Ginger

19:13

cool!

wait, how am I going to move my current Debian install over?

Rydwolf Programs

I'm still undecided on whether to just give you the whole server or a VM on it. The former'd be easier, the latter'd be better if you accidentally install skynet on it

Ginger

Don't worry, I ~~probably~~ won't do that

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger It's a blank canvas, you can just copy the disk byte-for-byte

Ginger

cool, I'll just teleport over to DigitalOcean's server farm and take the drive my droplet is on q:

Rydwolf Programs

I'll give you a tibibit of disk space minimum

(did you know tibibit is a palindrome?)

Ginger

19:15

(I did not)

Rydwolf Programs

19:25

One problem later on will be port forwarding, since it's on the same IP as rto_wolf

I'll probably just have rto_wolf proxy on to you ports 80 and 443

Those're the only two it needs, I've got its SSH on 2209

~~IPv4 was a mistake~~

Only took, what, four years? :p

Ginger

???

Rydwolf Programs

"Necessary cookies only" is new

Ginger

oh lol

emanresu A

@JoKing Welp, there goes 1000 of my rep ;)

Ginger

19:49

this is interesting and potentially useful for golfing

user

20:22

@Seggan Java chooses which overload to call at compile time. It doesn't use multimethods like Groovy or Clojure. You can't just directly turn Java into Python, you need to analyze and type check it yourself to be able to resolve methods and stuff

Seggan

@user ah yes overloading i forgot

@RydwolfPrograms yeah was just gonna report that too

mousetail

Thoughts on this: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/25584/91213 ?

Ginger

21:01

fun fact: I am in control of 6 CGSE accounts total, including this main one

pxeger

@Ginger sure, but make sure you impose a reasonable rate limit per user

Ginger

can do

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Munge my Text code-golf string random Inspired by this example in the Python documentation. Write a program that takes as input a string of arbitrary length and returns a version of that string with every letter, except the first and last, of every word randomly shuffled. "Word" is defined here a...

user

21:29

CMQ: I need a way to turn a directed cyclic graph into a directed acyclic graph by taking all the cycles and smooshing them into single nodes (for context: I need this to figure out which order to compile modules in for a language I'm working on)

Rydwolf Programs

Ooh I've had to do that before

For a Google Foobar thing, and I think something else too

What would you do with multiple overlapping cycles?

user

e.g. a graph like {A: [B, D], B: [C], C: [A], E: [A]} would turn into {[A, B, C]: [[D]], [E]: [[A, B, C]]}

@RydwolfPrograms Still smoosh them all together, I guess

Let me come up with an example of that

{A: [B], B: [A, C], C: [B, D]} would turn into {[A, B, C]: [[D]]}

Both the [A, B] cycle and the [B, C] would have to be put together because if C needs B and B needs A so C needs A (and the other way around)

@user Whoops, forgot to ask an actual question here. Anyone know any algorithms to do this?

@RydwolfPrograms How did you end up solving it?

AndrovT

@user I guess you can use one of the algorithm for finding strongly connected components. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strongly_connected_component

Seggan

21:48

@RydwolfPrograms what

whats Google Foobar

emanresu A

22:00

Google developer program, you can get into it by searching certain things

Seggan

mm

Rydwolf Programs

22:22

Not worth it I don't think they hire from it anymore

Catija

The other day, this video about "running 'Hello World!' in 10 FORBIDDEN programming languages" came up in my YouTube feed and I thought of y'all. youtube.com/watch?v=Ysled8GvKuk

The YouTuber has some very pointed feelings about golfing languages - and uses TIO for one of the examples. :D

Unrelated String

is that thumbnail... calling piet *easier* than brainfuck
like i guess it's more powerful in terms of the operations you have to work with but actually drawing something to use them is so much less intuitive

Catija

I think it's just designed to reference some other classic YouTube memes? But I think piet is the only language he says nice things about.

emanresu A

22:38

Hello, world in bf is pretty trivial - you can do it with just +.- Golfing it is a little harder tho.

And the one in the video isn't even well-golfed

lyxal

Me when brainfuck is forbidden: 👮🚔 (I used it an now I'm being arrested)

emanresu A

At least it works

Catija

Not sure he's super interested in golfing so much as he is in introducing people to esolangs?

emanresu A

Yeah but... there are both shorter and simpler approaches

Catija

> This dude must be the Bob Ross of esolangs!

:D

emanresu A

22:40

> A friend of mine made a lang called "numbscull". Everything is a number, and all numbers are variables. So if you set 2 to 3, then 1+2 becomes 4.

Exists already, it's called forte

Catija

Someone already commented that. :P

Jo King

@emanresuA a lot of the time they just feed it into an awful online text to brainfuck translater

emanresu A

That doesn't look like a text to brainfuck translator's output tho

Unrelated String

you'd think even those would do better but they're also probably not made by people who are into the language :P

nah it totally looks like it could be generated naively

emanresu A

Most of those use the "create a buffer at the start of a program and twiddle the cells for output" method - for example, the semi-basic Hello World approach creates the character values 30, 70 and 100 (or similar) at the start using one loop.

Also, is that Piet program an actual HW program? It only has single color blocks, meaning the only constant it can push is 1.

Catija

22:50

@emanresuA Seems like it? retas.de/thomas/computer/programs/useless/piet/explain.html

emanresu A

Huh, I guess so

Anyway, about those brainfuck converters this, this and this what I was talking about. (I also got some cursed stuff like this, this and this)

Unrelated String

23:10

those cursed ones are beautiful

emanresu A

@JoKing You're the bf guy, any idea what this is doing?

Jo King

not sure without stepping through it, but i suspect it is building the string in terms of x*constant+y+constant, while minimising the values of x and y

ah, but it is also using the previous value in the formula, interesting

ATaco

Maybe they're abusing the deltas as they'd be smaller than the values themselves?

emanresu A

Seems to be doing some weird bijective base 7 thing?

Yeah it looks like it's mapping each triplet of base 7 digits to a single ascii char

That approach might actually be better in general

Rydwolf Programs

23:29

Wtf how is everything so cheap now
I was looking at a chip thingy with WiFi 5, a 240 MHz processor, 4 MB of flash, like basically a small whole computer and I'm like "well this is gonna be expensive isn't it" and I open Digikey and it's $3

That's like 25× the speed and storage capacity of a $80 TI calculator

With WiFi and Bluetooth and GPIO

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms RPI Pico?

Rydwolf Programs

Nah, ESP32-S3

If it has "pi" in the name my default assumption is I can't get one until 2025

(for context I'm considering sticking some humidity sensors and speakers on microcontrollers to fuck with the people vaping in the school bathrooms. just a lil' "HUMIDITY DETECTED, ALERTING ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS BEEEEEEP" should do the job)

ATaco

Ah yes, a Bathroom, famously devoid of humidity

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah but not like, air-saturated-with-water-vapor levels that build up when half a dozen people are in there vaping

Which is pretty much their default state

ATaco

CMC: meta-golf Given a string, produce the shortest program which returns this string.

Jo King

23:39

authorities love it when you put recording devices in bathrooms

Rydwolf Programs

Recording?

Jo King

well, sensing the humidity at least

Rydwolf Programs

I mean unless your PII is the humidity of the air around you...

ATaco

You can get in trouble for a box with a Red LED if you arent careful.

Rydwolf Programs

Hard to catch someone in a room where you can't have cameras :p

user

23:49

@ATaco Does it have to be a full program?

lyxal

LDQ: What's a good name for something that does lst[0:index]?

that is, get every item from index 0 to index index

ATaco

@user Anything that would constitute a program per standard rules. Functions are fine too.

You must output the function code though, no function(s){return ()=>s}

Rydwolf Programs

@lyxal "slice to", "first", "head", "take"

Yousername

@lyxal "trim", "truncate", "first_n"

Rydwolf Programs

"trim" could be confused with trimming a specific item (like whitespace) from the ends of the list

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