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user
user
00:24
@lyxal Doesn't that mean the potentially infinite list is really finite?
lyxal
lyxal
well no
because it's a filter over an infnite list
Niko
Niko
i think he means infinity list contains the finite list
like [1,2,3] and [1,2,3,4…]
lyxal
lyxal
more like [1,2,3], [1,2,3
user
user
Oh
lyxal
lyxal
where the second is only ever going to contain 1,2,3
but because it's filtered from an infinite list, it'll never actually terminate
Niko
Niko
00:26
ooooh
user
user
So it doesn't terminate after giving the right output
lyxal
lyxal
correct
user
user
imo it shouldn't be valid
Unrelated String
Unrelated String
i'd assume not but that's an interesting question
lyxal
lyxal
Context: this golfing suggestion
Unrelated String
Unrelated String
00:27
because you can't really verify that it will not emit some extraneous value
lyxal
lyxal
but the filter conditions exclude everything that can't be balid
user
user
Well, you can prove it, it's just that it doesn't terminate
Niko
Niko
i think yes if you can prove it will be the same
user
user
Like an answer that outputs through stdout that prints the right answer and has an infinite while loop at the end
lyxal
lyxal
in the context: 'L¹= will reject every number after the valid part because it'll be longer
Niko
Niko
00:32
the rule for default infinity list challenge output is:
1. finite list on input index
2. the item of input index
3. a generator
i think we can change those three rule or some of it to fit finite list challenges too(so that more output method is allowed)
user
user
@lyxal Would it be shorter if you used Take/Slice?
lyxal
lyxal
no, because then you've got a filter at the end that would need to be closed
Niko
Niko
1. whole list
2. every item seperately ( loop the list with print for example)
3. a generator that equals to the answer in the end
lyxal
lyxal
@user Þp'⁰øp;'L¹= is the infinite list in question
user
user
Oh well, you have 11 bytes already
lyxal
lyxal
00:36
I know :p
but still, it's an interesting question
although I suppose it's true that it can't be 100% proven it's the same
because there could be a number big enough that python's len fails
and gives a false positive
user
user
That's a different thing
That's a limitation of your hardware, and we can pretend our computers have unlimited time and unlimited memory
emanresu A
emanresu A
Well, get outgolfed lyxal
lyxal
lyxal
@emanresuA every byte shorter means less chance of being beaten by other languages :p
user
user
00:52
Well, competition is within languages, not between, so that wouldn't matter
lyxal
lyxal
@user it does for PR :p
 
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Seggan
Seggan
02:18
> Sorry for the wrong language No Habla C#
that just made my day
source
emanresu A
emanresu A
02:48
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Q: ChatGPT should be incorporated into the site

DialecticusChatGPT is a tool. We should adopt all useful tools. This site is in the best position to do this adoption. I propose that before the question is published the OP gets the opportunity to read the answer from the AI. The OP might already accept this answer. Or they might realize that the question ...

feature-request status-declined chatgpt
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Unrelated String
that might genuinely be one of the most profoundly wrong ideas i've ever seen
emanresu A
emanresu A
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Q: Shop system. Reputation points buyable for real currency

John LockMake a shop system, in which we can buy reputation packs for real money. There should be daily limit on how much of reputation we can buy a day. There could be also other features to buy. Here are my proposals: Golden frame around questions and answers. Bigger font of our comments or ability to...

feature-request status-declined reputation
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Unrelated String
oh yeah that
that's worse
emanresu A
emanresu A
Gotta love SO
There's probably some worse ones on MM
Aiden Chow
Aiden Chow
@emanresuA bruh whaaaat?!?! legit p2w lmfao
caird coinheringaahing
caird coinheringaahing
03:01
They should make it so, once you hit 25k, you can buy rep
cause at that point, it has no actual benefit, it's literally just vanity
emanresu A
emanresu A
Or sell it
*35k
caird coinheringaahing
caird coinheringaahing
(aside from I guess, a few extra delete votes)
emanresu A
emanresu A
Also don't you get extra flags from rep or something?
caird coinheringaahing
caird coinheringaahing
Don't think so
I think it's based on helpful flags
Ngl, I used to know rate limits, but since elected, I've entirely forgotten, as I'm not limited (⌐■_■)
 
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Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
04:14
> One-time-use moderator actions for buy - except ban.
So you're saying for $1.99 I can change people's pfps? Sign me up :p
 
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PyGamer0
PyGamer0
05:58
wtf
Unrelated String
Unrelated String
06:21
classy
emanresu A
emanresu A
Copiloy is sometimes concerning
Like chatgpt, it writes stuff that looks like it works
Simd
Simd
06:37
Hello all
I am very tempted to pose a fiddly coding task I just had as a challenge
New Posts
New Posts
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Q: Remove duplicates from my academic transcript

SimdConsider a list of subject, grade pairs. E.g. [("Latin", "A"), ("French", "A*"), ("Math", "B"), ("Latin", "A*")] The task is to return a list of pairs that has each subject at most once. Where a subject occurred more than once originally, the returned list should have the highest grade. Using ...

code-golf
 
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mathcat
mathcat
09:22
> Ability to remove some reputation from user. The more reputation for remove, the bigger cost.
awesome
emanresu A
emanresu A
It's SE Nitro all over agaain
lyxal
lyxal
I'll say this for your idea: turning SO into a PvP MMPORG might be better than turning it into a social network. — jscs Jun 20, 2016 at 17:50
En garde, nerds
emanresu A
emanresu A
I cast fireball!
Simd
Simd
09:39
Is ~0 the same as -1?
Neil
Neil
10:07
only in 2's complement
mousetail
mousetail
10:37
Basically for signed numbers yes
lyxal
lyxal
11:30
Oh hell no they made gpt for voice
mousetail
mousetail
11:59
That seems more like TTS than chatGPT
lyxal
lyxal
obviously
the whole point is that it's speech synthesis
like dalle but voice
mousetail
mousetail
12:41
Not really much like dallle either
lyxal
lyxal
it is
it's text to some non-text medium
voice clips instead of pictures
mousetail
mousetail
It's literally the same text though
Unlike dalle that has to understand the prompt
lyxal
lyxal
it's still a text to non-text medium service
that's the comparison I was making
mousetail
mousetail
Ok I think the comparison is weak but yo are entitled to your opinion
lyxal
lyxal
DALL-E = text -> image (not text). VALL-E = text -> speech (not text). That was the whole point of the joke.
mousetail
mousetail
12:46
Ok I didn't get it was supposed to be a joke
lyxal
lyxal
13:04
CMQ: Which of these two generalised fizzbuzz questions should be closed as duplicate? (if any at all)
because they're basically the same except for input formats
mousetail
mousetail
I don't like the old one since it requires a full program and has a very strict input format
 
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Simd
Simd
15:29
Hello all
mathcat
mathcat
15:53
hey
Ginger
Ginger
16:43
hi
Simd
Simd
CMQ can codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/256441/… be done with regular expressions only?
Ginger
Ginger
No clue, probably not
@WheatWizard I hear an infinite number of wizards writing code from an infinite number of ivory towers will eventually produce something that compiles correctly. (The existence of the PHP standard library would seem to suggest that this has already happened.)
Simd
Simd
17:00
@Ginger I need the view of a regex enthusiast
Ginger
Ginger
hey d:
mousetail
mousetail
@Simd Maybe, by hardcoding all 36 possible combinations
All A not followed or preceded by a A*, All B not followed or preceded by a A or A* etc.
Would be very long with this apprach though
user
user
@lyxal I'd say the old one should be closed and the new one should be a dupe target for any fizzbuzz questions
Simd
Simd
@mousetail that sounds interesting. That's not no many
@mousetail what about if you only had A*, A, B?
user
user
@lyxal (also, my memory's a bit foggy, why did I comment "Welcome to Code Golf Stack Exchange!" when Radvylf was already an established user here?)
mousetail
mousetail
17:10
@Simd Oh nevermind, you can't use groups in lookbehinds so it's impossible to tell if a subject has appeared before
user
user
@Simd Probably a regex-based language, like Retina
mousetail
mousetail
This will match unique subjects: \[(\w+) (\w)](?!.*\[\1 \2\]) but I don't know how I could make it match only the best one in the case the B comes after the A
Unless you can guarentee grades will be in descending order
mathcat
mathcat
nvm I can't read
mousetail
mousetail
Unless... I may have an idea
mousetail
mousetail
17:28
Nope it doesn't work
user
user
Would using Perl's flavor of regex make it possible?
l4m2
l4m2
What to do when an answer have trivial improvement and author is away(grey name)?
user
user
Post your own answer, I guess
Or just leave it alone if you don't want to bother
Neil
Neil
@lyxal so how does W fit in? GIGO?
Simd
Simd
17:50
I feel this looks like a regex challenge now :)
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
@lyxal That's identical to URL shortening isn't it? Just a custom URL shortener
Seggan
Seggan
18:27
^
mousetail
mousetail
18:46
Was this answer written by AI you think? codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/256466/91213
Ginger
Ginger
I think so
mousetail
mousetail
That answer made some amount of sense, this one doesn't codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/256467/91213
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
We should definitely not presume anything is AI without hard evidence tho
mousetail
mousetail
I mean it doesn't even matter, it should be deleted regardless
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
Yeah. But just so that nobody goes and comments "using AI to write answers isn't allowed here" or whatever
Ginger
Ginger
18:52
Hugging Face thinks it's AI-written with a certainty of 59%
mousetail
mousetail
That's not a very high certanty
mathcat
mathcat
@mousetail Can we assume that every answer which starts with "To solve this problem" and ends with "I hope this helps!" was written by gpt3?
mousetail
mousetail
IMHO yes
But Radvylf doesn't think so
Ginger
Ginger
@mousetail that one Hugging Face thinks is AI with 99.97% certainty
mousetail
mousetail
(Completely unrelated but hugging face sounds like the enemy from a horror film)
mathcat
mathcat
19:02
I think we should have a community consensus on this, "It looks like it was made by GPT" won't do the job.
New Bounties With No Deadlines
New Bounties With No Deadlines
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A: List of bounties with no deadline

Wheat Wizard50 reputation for first answers in FP languages I find golfing in functional programming languages, and I'd like to get more people involved to make it more competitive. Therefor I am offering 50 reputation for each user's first answer in: Haskell Curry Elm You may claim all 3 bounties. In orde...

Ginger
Ginger
@mousetail this is probably why
mousetail
mousetail
Hugginface sounds like the PG version of facehugger
@mathcat Want to make a meta post?
mathcat
mathcat
I guess I could do it, yeah
Ginger
Ginger
which reminds me: at some point I'm going to make a bot that analyzes incoming SE posts with that ChatGPT-detection AI
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
19:06
Seems like AI detection is something that'd be useful in something like Smokey
mousetail
mousetail
^ @Ginger consider submitting a PR to smokey instead
Ginger
Ginger
nah
Smokey's job doesn't extend to that
and
there are already non-Smokey bots that help fight spam
making one bot do everything isn't a good idea
Simd
Simd
@Neil are you a regex expert?
Neil
Neil
I try to be but the real expert is @Deadcode
Adám
Adám
19:22
@NewBountiesWithNoDeadlines Do polyglots collect multiples of 50?
Neil
Neil
for that latest question of yours you'd like both variable length lookbehind and inline code expressions
Sandbox Posts
Sandbox Posts
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Joao-3ABACABA pattern without recursion ABACABA pattern on Wikipedia Taking a number n as input, generate the ABACABA pattern with n symbols as stated in the above page, without using any form of recursion in your code. You can use any output method; characters, a list of numbers, an image, whatever is...

Neil
Neil
it could probably done with just variable length lookbehind and conditional expressions but it would be a bit of a nightmare to write
@SandboxPosts well that's going to get closed as unobservable
Simd
Simd
19:42
@Neil more of a nightmare than writing in Jelly? :)
@Neil is there a library that supports those?
Seggan
Seggan
19:58
@mousetail yep
Neil
Neil
20:32
@Simd I don't know of one
@Simd isn't there already a Jelly answer to your question?
user
user
@Ginger Why not? Smokey has a bunch of people listening to it already. If you made your own bot, would you make your own chatroom and alert system for it?
From the Charcoal HQ room description:
> This room is for Charcoal, a volunteer organization focused on detecting and eliminating spam and rude/abusive posts on all SE sites. (emphasis mine)
Ignore my last two messages, I misinterpreted your message about non-Smokey bots fighting spam
pxeger
pxeger
20:55
> Did you know that you can define a string with a negative length in PL/1? Excellent for eating the last characters in a string: just concatenate your string with the negative-length string
Seggan
Seggan
21:09
what
source?
pxeger
pxeger
cst.dk/download/bracmat/home.html
Simd
Simd
@Neil yes there is!
@Neil I am never sure what pcre2 covers
@Neil look behind seems supported rexegg.com/regex-lookarounds.html
Neil
Neil
@Simd not truly variable length though
Simd
Simd
21:32
@Neil ah. Is that a problem for my short strings?
mousetail
mousetail
@Neil The issue is that variable length lookbehinds don't seem to work properly
Simd
Simd
@mousetail is that in a particular library?
mousetail
mousetail
I tried a few of them on regex 101
I think the issue is it creates a type of self-contradiction that most parsers are not able to handle
Neil
Neil
@Simd not sure, might be able to bodge something up with recursive regex
lyxal
lyxal
21:58
@mousetail the algorithm in the answer is awfully similar to what it just gave me
Simd
Simd
@Neil I like the sound of that
@mousetail ah
@Neil I would pose it as a challenge but I don't know if you are allowed to ask for regex only answers
lyxal
lyxal
@mousetail gist.github.com/Lyxal/10db3d5fe0acfd73c28da5b54167844b
Simd
Simd
@lyxal whoa. What do you think?
Can you ask it for a regex solution? :)
lyxal
lyxal
No, because it'll almost surely butcher it
And the point of the gist was to show that the answer in question is most likely ai written
Seggan
Seggan
@lyxal this is 90% proof
lyxal
lyxal
22:19
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A: Division between two strings

Mohamed FetouhCheck if the multiplied string is empty. If it is, the multiplied integer is 0. Check if the multiplied string is the same as the result of the multiplication. If it is, the multiplied integer is 1. Check if the multiplied string is the reverse of the result of the multiplication. If it is, the m...

The way it just lists the stuff at the top is similar to what you get when you copy paste something the ai has formatted as a list
Because it looks like a numeric list on the OpenAI site, but doesn't copy across as so
Simd
Simd
Is there any way to get confidence intervals in python? For example for a correlation coefficient you might compute. R is stuffed full of libraries to do that
Seggan
Seggan
@lyxal hmmmm
that is 100% ai too
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
23:19
Continue — l4m2 4 hours ago
What does this mean?
lyxal
lyxal
the link is probably for padding to get to the 15 char min limit
but maybe it's an attempt to trick the account into making a new post if it's a bot doing it :p

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