The Nineteenth Byte - 2022-11-08 (page 1 of 2)

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DialFrost

00:07

@emanresuA >:(

@Sʨɠɠan really meh

@Sʨɠɠan nonono it just gives errors, i tried every version of c++ there

@forest @forest 100K YOOOOO

forest

Yay!

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🥳

congrats

forest

@RadvylfPrograms Most of the time it's usually done by turning a computer duster upside-down and spraying the extremely cold mist on the memory sticks, although a lot of modern cold boot attacks don't do that and instead do a cold reboot into a custom OS with a low memory footprint which then dumps memory. In one case, the BIOS was modified to contain a custom coreboot payload that exfiltrated memory over serial! Liquid nitrogen is usually overkill.

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@Bubbler so flip a coin to choose between seq and flip const? oh that sounds beautiful

Sʨɠɠan

00:30

@DialFrost g++ --std=c++17 pysearch.cpp

That's what I use

DialFrost

@Sʨɠɠan eh

@Sʨɠɠan wdym lol

OldSandboxPosts

01:00

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Fastest approximate square root of a floating point number

Radvylf Programs

Any feedback on ^?

emanresu A

Make an interpreter

> (Expanation of how IEEE-754 double precision floats work)

DialFrost

@RadvylfPrograms are there supposed to be tests too?

Bubbler

Can I extract the bit pattern of a given float as an integer?

Register machine sounds appropriate

Unlimited registers but maybe take the number of registers used into account in scoring?

Sʨɠɠan

@DialFrost wdym "wdym"?

that's how you compile it

then ./a.out

Bubbler

01:09

assumes you have linux with gcc installed

forest

GCC behaves that way on most *nix systems.

DialFrost

01:27

@Sʨɠɠan huh?

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what are you confused about

like what is the question

Sʨɠɠan

01:44

i don't know what you're confsued about either

if you want to compile it then run that

DialFrost

01:56

wait nvm i got it running

btw @Sʨɠɠan how did you get 30 bytes for tcl in quine? (hint maybe?) [you owe me a hint for that crystal solution you found too earlier ;)]

Radvylf Programs

02:09

@Bubbler I don't think that'd be a huge issue, since you're limited to n+2 registers if you're using n instructions (and for any practically useful algorithm it'd probably be less than n), and any solutions that're using beyond like, a couple dozen registers are probably not going to be competitive.

Sʨɠɠan

02:38

@DialFrost considering only 3 people have it, i'm not giving any hints except that you can find 33 bytes online

DialFrost

02:53

@Sʨɠɠan sigh

Whenever John Skeet asks a question ofc its gonna skyrocket

Sʨɠɠan

@emanresuA makes perfect sense to me :P

DialFrost

@Sʨɠɠan I highly doubt it cuz I searched a lot but if you say so lol

@Sʨɠɠan if you could find 33 bytes online, then its abit sus that no one has 33 bytes rn

@Sʨɠɠan you still owe me a hint for the crstyal solution buddy :3

Radvylf Programs

03:13

@DialFrost It's a test-battery, there will be several tens of thousands of them, possibly millions

DialFrost

oh

Radvylf Programs

I'm thinking I'll do about 100k normal test cases, and a few bonus edge case ones, like the zeroes, infinity, and NaN

Floating point:

- `add`: Add
- `sub`: Subtract
- `mul`: Multiply
- `div`: Divide
- `mod`: Modulo
- `cmp`: Compare

Unsigned int:

- `iadd`: Int add
- `isub`: Int subtract
- `imul`: Int multiply
- `idiv`: Int divide
- `icmp`: Int compare
- `and`: Bitwise AND
- `or`: Bitwise OR
- `xor`: Bitwise XOR
- `not`: Bitwise NOT
- `shl`: Shift left
- `shr`: Shift right

Control flow:

- `jmp`: Jump
- `je`: Jump if equal
- `jne`: Jump if not equal
- `jl`: Jump if less
- `jge`: Jump if greater or equal
- `jg`: Jump if greater

DialFrost

I've always wanted a diamond for my profile in code.golf :(

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms (I would've defaulted to float jump-if-zero to stick with the precendent of prefixing i for the int ones, but I decided jiz wasn't a great opcode name)

Sʨɠɠan

@DialFrost it comes up top in search for me

DialFrost

03:25

@Sʨɠɠan then ur computer is hacking :D

Sʨɠɠan

i'm also surprised no one else has it

maybe you don't know how to use google

i'm known for finding things in google that no one else can find

DialFrost

the top search i got is some random tcl-lang website which doesnt even use the proper printing to qualify as a quine

@Sʨɠɠan hehe

Sʨɠɠan

honestly i just did a two word search and it's top

DialFrost

so did I

and I got tcl-lang.org

Sʨɠɠan

that's the exact page that your'e looking for

DialFrost

03:26

????

It gave me a 47 byte solution

Sʨɠɠan

it's literally on the page

DialFrost

not a 33 :p

@Sʨɠɠan no its not

there is not a single solution on this page where it is 33 bytes

unless we're talking about different pages on the same site

Ru sure its Tcler's Wiki?

Sʨɠɠan

but there is a 34-byte one that you can fix to be 33. it won't even work as 34

you can't just copy and paste it in

DialFrost

I know

but including the printing will lengthen it

or am i being very dumb again

Sʨɠɠan

printing will shorten it :)

DialFrost

03:37

If we're thinking about the same 34 byte solution then not for me lol

I got 47 from the 34 by printing

Sʨɠɠan

you kind of have to understand how it works

then you're doing it wrong

DialFrost

@Sʨɠɠan but i got it right!

:3

@Sʨɠɠan but ... but you have to use puts! that'll lengthen it!

@Sʨɠɠan you have got to be kidding

Sʨɠɠan

you don't add puts, you delete something and add puts

anyway, i'm done giving hints

DialFrost

mkay thats fine

@Sʨɠɠan ~~More useful than Jo King's XD~~

DialFrost

04:07

@Sʨɠɠan for clarification what does \{ \} in join {{} \{ \}} mean?

Sʨɠɠan

string

ah, no wnoder

if that's the one your looking at then it's the wrong one

you do get 47 by adding puts to that

DialFrost

04:31

@Sʨɠɠan shoot

is the real 34 one have something to do with apply?

wait nvm

I got 33 bytes! yay

I'm shocked how I didn't see it

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04:53

doing some optimality theory homework about factorial typology, and since we're making a point of not really considering domination relations with no observable effect, it occurred to me that the actual rankings we're talking about are a bit more than factorial
and then i realized there's *definitely* some challenge we had here on main about sequences which start with 1 then build rightwards with any n only being permitted if n or n-1 is already in the sequence
but i cannot remember what it would be called

New Posts

05:26

0

Q: For xor Young (15+)

A Young diagram is a rectangular binary mask whose every row and every column are sorted in descending order. It is easy to check that every rectangular binary mask can be formed by xor-ing together a finite number of Young diagrams. This decomposition is by no means unique, but there will be a m...

code-golf decision-problem binary-matrix

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05:37

ah there it is

18

Q: Is this word in standard order?

Let \$ A \$ represent the alphabet, such that \$ A_1 = \$ a and \$ A_{26} = \$ z. Let's define that a word \$ W = w_1 w_2 ... w_n \$ (where \$ w_c \in A\$) is in standard order if and only if: \$ w_1 = A_1 \$, and for \$ 2 \le i \le n \$, if \$ w_i = A_x \$ then \$ w_j = A_{x-1} \$ for some \$ j <

code-golf string decision-problem

...not that it's actually relevant to what i was thinking about since it's just set partitions without any sense of order

Unrelated String

05:58

i guess what i'm thinking of is just the same thing but order-agnostic lmao

ironically enough

Jo King

@Sʨɠɠan that 33 -> 30 is so fucking stupid, i didn't know you could do that

DialFrost

@JoKing shit jo king alr found it

i still havent

OH

found it

Jo King

aww, i didn't get to give a useless hint this time

DialFrost

@JoKing lmao

i started deleting random 3 bytes and found it on the 2nd try

i was like wtf

@JoKing sigh ive always wanted a diamond :3

Jo King

maybe try one of the less used langs, i have a few diamonds in lua and elixir

DialFrost

06:15

I have no idea how to use those

Btw how did you get 31 bytes for quine in python? Ive got 32 only

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elixir is fun

DialFrost

@UnrelatedString nah

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it's like erlang but less erlang

DialFrost

06:35

@Sʨɠɠan how'd you get 160 bytes for java quine?

I only got 172

@JoKing like in a more used lang

Bubbler

@DialFrost ...good luck

DialFrost

@Bubbler why? :3

oh well i just want a diamond in anything :3

Bubbler

if anything, try some hard holes

and/or more recent holes

DialFrost

@Bubbler but...but i cant solve them

i cant solve like half of the 81 holes

Bubbler

people already spent a ton of time on easy old holes, so the current solutions are already optimal with like 99.99% chance

DialFrost

06:48

especially the math ones, e.g. calculate 1000 digits of e

@Bubbler still...

Bubbler

no, there is no hope there, I can tell based on my own experience

diamond is diamond for a reason

Jo King

you could find a novel way of approaching the problem that suits the language

DialFrost

@DialFrost these stump me

@JoKing lol

Jo King

i'm still amazed my van eck diamonds in php/perl are still holding

Bubbler

for me it's intersection in python

DialFrost

06:54

@JoKing congrats

Jo King

the majority of my diamonds are actually in ><> against single digit other golfers, of which at least half have hardcoded the output

DialFrost

@JoKing problem is I always find simple solutions that always are too long to win

@Bubbler this one got me stumped hard

either 2 things are going wrong: 1. my input getting and setting to integers is too long 2. my calc is too long

but by 20 bytes??? has to be both im assuming

Bubbler

07:10

If this makes you feel better: the top score was 121 bytes for quite a while

DialFrost

not helping lmao im at 132 :3

Bubbler

just two bytes off and you can join the majority of people

DialFrost

the problem is my code is hard to golf due to its structure

Bubbler

then try something different, there are many ways to solve the problem

DialFrost

@Bubbler i only found 1 in 1 week :(

before giving up

Bubbler

07:23

then spend more time thinking about it :P

DialFrost

i do! But everything I try always goes back to the same dumb solution

emanresu A

Once we get around to adding vyxal it'll be easy

Can you get diamonds for ties?

Bubbler

no, a diamond is a gold without ties

DialFrost

@emanresuA yes pls! :3

@emanresuA no

@emanresuA but no one has! :(

@emanresuA the problem is therell be a lot of ties

especially for easy challenges

Bubbler

don't forget the byte counting problem

DialFrost

07:28

@Bubbler ?eh

Bubbler

if you can't accept ƛ is two bytes, don't think about adding it to code.golf

DialFrost

@Bubbler thats fine no?

as long as the same rules applies to everyone im fine with any language, especially a golf lang

Bubbler

well then ask other vyxalers then

DialFrost

@lyxal bubbler has a question for you lol

Bubbler

CMP: Would you still golf in Vyxal/Jelly/05AB1E/whatever-SBCS-golflang if the byte count is measured in UTF-8, not SBCS?

DialFrost

07:31

@Bubbler yes (i dont see whats wrong with it)

emanresu A

It's... annoyign

Bubbler

the problem is more like, some single-byte builtins are suddenly golfier than the others, which forces you to think about tradeoffs not considered when designing the language

emanresu A

Having 1 command = 1 byte means that generally, the simplest solution is also the shortest

Unrelated String

07:51

i'd probably stick with jelly until a more utf-8-friendly substitute with otherwise similar syntax and builtins rolled in

because some builtins would be inordinately expensive and while there might be a bit of fun to be had figuring out which are actually sometimes not worth it it would get old fast

lyxal

08:11

@Bubbler probably. It's sometimes fun utf-8 golfing

code.golf would be a good candidate for utf-8

Something like week.golf or here on the other hand would be annoying with utf-8

DialFrost

@lyxal ye

lyxal

After all, the finite number of holes on code.golf mean that once a short sbcs solution is found, it's just finding that solution

Utf-8 golf means there's 2 layers of optimisation to keep activity going a little longer

Bubbler

that's an interesting point

DialFrost

yay i got the 160 byte solution fro quine in java

with no googling lol

emanresu A

> public static class Pain {

DialFrost

08:25

golfing is suprisingly fun in java

DialFrost

08:52

@emanresuA lmaooo

@lyxal good one!

py3_and_c_programmer

>I could do this all day in every language

I wonder if you could do it in CGoL (500 rep bounty if you do) @mousetail

mousetail

CGoL?

Do you even have enough rep to give bounties?

py3_and_c_programmer

for RGB to Hexadecimal

mousetail

I know but what language is CGoL? is that like game of life but with cats?

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conway's game of life, as opposed to... not conway's i guess

i don't think there is any other game of life but

who knows

py3_and_c_programmer

08:54

@mousetail yup

DialFrost

@JoKing I require a useless hint pls for 28 byter solution in quine JS

py3_and_c_programmer

Indeed I've given one to @Sʨɠɠan

DialFrost

I have 35 rn

mousetail

How do I even output a character in GOL?

py3_and_c_programmer

unary... dim used... umm.. I'm checking the clock one minute....

probably use groups of still lifes that which when you look from a far distance it looks like a character, like

user image

from

56

A: Conway's Hello World

My first attempt to this, a relatively simple solution. It fires a couple of glider barrels. Each pair of gliders turns into a block, which then form the text. This process takes about 16000 generations (you can set a frame skip or use the superstep button in my simulator). Direct Link. Move aro...

mousetail

09:00

Yea that's not gonna work for something that requires input

also it's ambiguous, you can reduce your byte count just by making your font smaller

py3_and_c_programmer

Hold up a second while I revisit the famous Tetris in CGoL question...

mousetail

The tetris one was never finished either

py3_and_c_programmer

wdym

mousetail

They build a entire computer and made some steps towards implementing tetris but never finished it

Still incredibly impressive

py3_and_c_programmer

1166

A: Build a working game of Tetris in Conway's Game of Life

This began as a quest but ended as an odyssey. Quest for Tetris Processor, 2,940,928 x 10,295,296 The pattern file, in all its glory, can be found here, viewable in-browser here. This project is the culmination of the efforts of many users over the course of the past 1 & 1/2 years. Although the ...

See the second last part

they haven't?

mousetail

09:03

They built a compiler

never used it to program anything

py3_and_c_programmer

That sounds like a "creativity-to-think-up-stuff" issue

" As mentioned in the question statement, input is represented by manually changing the state of the automaton at a certain generation."

One of the comments

mousetail

It's very ambiguous

Especially for very simple challenges

Where taking input is like 90% of the challenge

py3_and_c_programmer

If that's what you say, I guess the only reason tetris was able to be implemented was because you weren't around to give a close vote :p

Plus I was wondering if your statement was actually true

"wondering"

mousetail

Tetris is different because there is singificant amount of logic other than IO, so even if the IO required is extremely specific the result is still impressive

py3_and_c_programmer

Well guess I'll try answering my challenge with CGoL

mousetail

09:08

Go for it

py3_and_c_programmer

but to avoid downvotes I wont post it

mousetail

Why not?

py3_and_c_programmer

-2 rep

mousetail

-2 is nothing

py3_and_c_programmer

plus like you said, its too ambiguous

and not idealistic

mousetail

09:09

I do want to see your answer though

py3_and_c_programmer

so people be like "nah this guy is lying"

mousetail

Why not try another cellular automata like wireworld? It's similar to GOL but makes it a lot easier to store things thus say "the value in this register is the output"

py3_and_c_programmer

Speaking of cellular automata... I was thinking of an idea where each cell has color, in 3 parts, red, green, and blue. Each cell sets all 4 diagonal cell's red component to its red component, north and south cell's green component is the center cell's green component, and for east and west cell's blue component is the center cell's blue component.

But I'm trying to figure out to create peace in an overlap

@mousetail then mark Valentine's of next year. I should be done by then

mousetail

There needs to be a condition, otherwise the patterns will be boring

@py3_and_c_programmer <3

py3_and_c_programmer

"Each cell sets all 4 diagonal cell's red component to its red component, north and south cell's green component is the center cell's green component, and for east and west cell's blue component is the center cell's blue component."

mousetail

09:14

There's no interaction between the channels though right?

So it's just 3 very simple automata overlayed

py3_and_c_programmer

what happened to my comment bar? It flipped?

why

Now it's normal

@mousetail exactly

But it creates a ripple effect

which I hate

mousetail

If you hate it why did you create the idea?

py3_and_c_programmer

@mousetail That would be like asking John Conway that if he hates calling the glider the glider why did he call it the glider?

mousetail

Yes I would ask conway that, that's just dumb

py3_and_c_programmer

@mousetail well it's just a consequence of having some rules

mousetail

09:18

You can regret your choices but at least at some point you need to have thought they where a good idea

py3_and_c_programmer

@mousetail fine forget the idea then

mousetail

@py3_and_c_programmer But why create these rules if you think are so boring? Why even think about them? Of course you may have a idea but find out later it's bad but then you can just discard it and stop thinking about it. Or you can think it's "nearly" interesting but you just need to change it a bit.

py3_and_c_programmer

@mousetail it's a consequence

but the rules weren't boring

are they?

mousetail

Maybe not. You said you didn't like them

py3_and_c_programmer

I said I didn't like the consequences

namely a ripple effect that makes my automata look like Replicator

mousetail

09:23

That's because you don't have any interesting rules

Though I think in it's current form you may be able to use it to create a glitchy effect on a image

since the colors will blur in different directions

py3_and_c_programmer

Actually what I think is that It'll pretty much look like this:

please hold on, sockpuppet is trying to find an image...

user image

Taken from scratch.mit.edu/projects/55315592

awkward

mousetail

user image

Would look more like this though right?

Blured with colored edges

py3_and_c_programmer

Not blurred

where did I mention blurred

mousetail

I assume when there is a conflict you mix the two sides

so it would blur

py3_and_c_programmer

> But I'm trying to figure out to create peace in an overlap

so... well probably I'll just use a blur

scratch.mit.edu/projects/94923116

is probably how I want it to look like

though I don't need the scrolling and the flashing imagery

mousetail

09:33

That's not at all like the rules you described

py3_and_c_programmer

> though I don't need the scrolling and the flashing imagery

rules didn't apply to that one

mousetail

I mean your rules won't create rectagles

py3_and_c_programmer

its just a model for the UI if I make this

oh shit I have to tell you this

mousetail

I don't think scratch will be fast enough for this

py3_and_c_programmer

press space

@mousetail Neither do I

on the project press space for the matrix

mousetail

09:35

I once tried to implement gausian blur in python but it was wayy to slow. I think CPU in general is too slow, probably want to look at OpenGL or CUDA

py3_and_c_programmer

Anyways its only an idea nobody cares until its implemented

other than you maybe

mousetail

Just open gimp and click "blur"

It will look the same

py3_and_c_programmer

who's gimp?

mousetail

Gimp, the best image editor

py3_and_c_programmer

Sounds like only grumpy people use it

mousetail

09:37

You might want to apply a directional blur to the different color channels to match your different behavior for each

I am grumpy so that makes sense

py3_and_c_programmer

No wonder you're skeptic towards my ideas

Gen Z or Y?

mousetail

1998

Not sure if that's millenial or gen Z, people disagree

py3_and_c_programmer

I have a cousin who was born in 1994 and is gen Z

He showed me w3schools

@mousetail millenial is 1980ish

mousetail

I like your ideas genuinely, but just be aware that if you don't have certrain rules you won't get certain behavior

@py3_and_c_programmer I've heared 2000 is the cut off, I've heared 1995, I've heard 1990, I've heard 1999, IDK anymore

py3_and_c_programmer

nod

@mousetail Well judging from your image on the old mousetail.nl you look Gen Z

mousetail

09:41

Do gen z look like anything?

py3_and_c_programmer

run-down

mousetail

I prefer running forwards

running downards is just falling

py3_and_c_programmer

What's the typical amount of time you take to finish a 100m lap? For me it's 18 seconds

mousetail

Not, I typically collapse after 25m

py3_and_c_programmer

There once was.... ahh, never mind.

@mousetail that sounds like an anaerobic respiration problem

mousetail

09:48

It's more of a lazyness problem. I see I have 75m to go and I'm thinking I'd rather run home

py3_and_c_programmer

well, im too fast to be caught normally

which is why im never allowed to play tag

cuz people find me too hard

mousetail

It's been a long time since I played tag, I should play it again some time

py3_and_c_programmer

You shouldn't

indoors

outdoors is fine

mousetail

Professional tag is played indoors

py3_and_c_programmer

but judging from the fact you cant run 25m, you'd probably not stay out

mousetail

09:54

Trick is to play on a field less than 25m across

py3_and_c_programmer

@mousetail our version of tag is "get humiliated if you're tagged else escape"

@mousetail but in the end you'll end up running more than 25m

well its a trick so okay

but who else will you play with

mousetail

I can't run more than 25 from my starting position, total distance doesn't matter.

py3_and_c_programmer

i see

Well I can't even play tag cuz I'm so nerdy there are legends about a boy who can play games during class for the whole semester and yet get 100/100 in his math exam and finish it halfway through

mousetail

That's impressive

py3_and_c_programmer

People actually believe it, and so do I

Indeed I rickrolled my entire class during a test in computers cuz i sent my webpage early and my teacher opened it first

Its my website

And now that's a legend too

mousetail

10:00

I think You have good potential

py3_and_c_programmer

for what? Ppl even think that to fix paper jams in printers you have to ask me

(paper jams are happening rn lol)

mousetail

Being asked to fix printers is a rite of passage, the first time so say "No" you become a real programmer

py3_and_c_programmer

I just can't go on like this anymore

being a nerd

I should just quit PPCG

mousetail

Why don't you like being a nerd?

py3_and_c_programmer

People bug me with stuff

and they begin with an insult

mousetail

10:05

Make them pay you

py3_and_c_programmer

"hey nerd, you'd better do this for me or be an outcast of our class"

@mousetail They don't take me seriously

mousetail

That's though when people treat you like that

Remember though: your reputation in class is only for a few years. Programing skills are forever

py3_and_c_programmer

@mousetail true

@mousetail but I can't do anything against it

mousetail

In high school I wrote a virus that would play random beeps on the laptop of some guy I didn't like

py3_and_c_programmer

I should do something like that

but I don't want to get into trouble

mousetail

10:10

Make sure it's good fun and not actually halmfull

py3_and_c_programmer

that'll ostracize me even more

mousetail

That's the balance though

If you do it right you'll be the guy who pulled of a legendary prank, if you are unlucky you are just a asshole

py3_and_c_programmer

@mousetail I h8 luck, it's unpredictable

more like how ken kociendo had to deal with heisenburgs

when creating safari

DialFrost

10:24

@JoKing?

New Posts

-1

Q: Check if my input was 'hi whats up' without using any of those letters in your code

Write a script, program or function which takes one input of type string and outputs or returns some sort of indication wether the input string was 'hi whats up' (without the apostrophes) or not. You can for example return true if it was and false if it wasn't. Or print something to the screen, l...

code-golf string restricted-source

mousetail

CMC Would <>< still be Turing complete if the only commands allowed in the initial state where 1, +, and p

This answer uses - instead of + but I think both should work? codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/110763/91213

caird coinheringaahing

10:46

@NewPosts I know that practically this wouldn't work, but sometimes, I really want a generic "do X without Y" challenge that I can use as a dupe hammer target

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Draft challenge:
I know this is a bit open-ended, but here goes: Choose a task and a source code restriction (remember to state what they are!), then solve the problem while abiding by the restriction, using your language of choice.

We'd immediately close it as too vague, but then we can use it as dupe hammer target.

Jo King

@mousetail yeah, + should work as well. I guess Sp3000 wanted to leave open the possibility of also pushing negative numbers to the stack before execution

DialFrost

er Jo King? you there lol

Jo King

yeah yeah, the JS quine is just the usual JS quine

given 136 people have 1st, it's not that hard to find

DialFrost

@JoKing er wut?

@JoKing but I cant :3

@JoKing I'm not super familiar with JS sorry :(

I mean using alert instead of console.log gives 28 bytes but it doesnt work unfortunately

Jo King

11:12

are you using it once or twice?

DialFrost

@JoKing ?

once? ig

Jo King

checks solution, ooh write

DialFrost

@JoKing wait wtf i didnt know that was possible in js

although it seems you gave up and didnt give a useless hint this time? :p (thanks a lot tho :3)

Jo King

JS input and output depends a lot on the engine, very confusing

DialFrost

@JoKing lmao

Jo King

11:21

it also differs between sites, like week.golf defines prompt to be input, but doesn't also define the corresponding alert

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