The Nineteenth Byte

py3programmer

13:00

*at

lyxal

fake news

Fatalize

I’m sad caird won the election, solely because his nickname is unpronounceable

Grain Ghost

Clearly you are not Welsh.

thejonymyster

i would suggest "upon", but i typically use "get" as the verb associated with revenge

Ginger

it's "cared coin-hering-aahing" ezpz

thejonymyster

13:01

so im out of my depth here

py3programmer

"cared-co-in-her-ing-ah-ing"

Fatalize

@GrainGhost Not enought w’s for it to be welsh though

caird coinheringaahing

@Fatalize I typically use "that annoying user who keeps using Jelly" to refer to me :P

thejonymyster

@Fatalize distorted, and illegible :P

caird coinheringaahing

It's longer, but easier to say :P

py3programmer

13:01

ow my braces hurt

Ginger

tmi

thejonymyster

{} here you can borrow mine

py3programmer

@cairdcoinheringaahing you mostly program in Jelly?

Fatalize

@thejonymyster So we have permission to call the mod annoying?

py3programmer

@thejonymyster I'm talking about teeth

caird coinheringaahing

13:02

@py3programmer Yep

py3programmer

Noice

I mostly do so in Python

thejonymyster

@Fatalize where on the planet did i say that xd

py3programmer

and C

lyxal

@py3programmer I think you'll find my larger plan is this: 1) make popular golfing language, 2) become RO, 3) lose election 4, 4) wait for election 5, 5) realise I have no grinds to work on during the waiting period, 6) have a kind of mid-life crisis over what I'm even still code golfing for, because I've done everything I wanted to do, 7) win election 5

thejonymyster

8) profit

lyxal

13:02

I'm currently at steps 4-6

Fatalize

@thejonymyster I pinged the wrong message ;.;

Ginger

9) world domination

py3programmer

8) commit suicide

caird coinheringaahing

@Fatalize You absolutely have permission to call me annoying :P

py3programmer

9) get mourned over

Ginger

13:03

haha mod annyoing lol

py3programmer

10) leave a huge legacy)

11) and a treasure map

thejonymyster

@Fatalize oh ok lol it happens

py3programmer

12) we fight and kill each other to get treasure

thejonymyster

really while youre replying it should keep the message youre replying to highlighted

but alas sechat is a mysterious website

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing sigh did you learn nothing from the last mod election?

py3programmer

13:03

13) cycle continues with humanity being wiped out

Ginger

@thejonymyster that's not even half of it

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing you're not annoying, you're caird

get it right

thejonymyster

@Ginger no dont worry i remember :P what a woild

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal I know I'm caird, but you can call me annoying as well :P

py3programmer

@cairdcoinheringaahing cairs for us :|

Fatalize

13:04

Caird Annoyingaahing

lyxal

Carrid CoinEngineering

I maintain that's how it's supposed to be

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Now that's too far, I am not an engineer :P

Grain Ghost

I just say caird coinheringaahing

py3programmer

> Well my Jelly Encoder doesn't quite work yet, unless @cairdcoinheringaahing changed their name to ~~Zion Mycelia Adamancy!~~ caird freenamecallingaahing and none of us noticed

Wait why is everyone silent

Is @cairdcoinheringaahing changing their name?

caird coinheringaahing

I'm not planning to

py3programmer

13:09

oh

Fatalize

@cairdcoinheringaahing How old are you by the way? I’m guessing mods are usually older than the average user

caird coinheringaahing

I'm 20

py3programmer

definetly more than 18 thats for sure

oh wait you responded a microsecond before i posted :(

Fatalize

Actually I don’t even know what the average age would be

py3programmer

16?

caird coinheringaahing

13:10

Of the site, or of TNB?

pxeger

Average age of users weighted by activity, or average age of all registered users?

Fatalize

@cairdcoinheringaahing both I guess

py3programmer

of all registered

you guys have google site analaytics right?

thejonymyster

@cairdcoinheringaahing tfw youre older than the mod orz

caird coinheringaahing

I think 16 is probably accurate for active TNB users, but I'd expect the site to be around 20-25

py3programmer

13:10

use that

pxeger

More than 16 then I think

Fatalize

I see lots of teenagers that are bored at home, and lots of engineers that are bored at work

thejonymyster

oh yea i joined this site while slacking at work for sure :P

py3programmer

@Fatalize @Fatalize I'm one of them :P

thejonymyster

nearly every time you see me here its while im at work

Fatalize

13:11

@thejonymyster Reported to HR

py3programmer

whats your work

unless you have a nda

thejonymyster

@Fatalize OTL

caird coinheringaahing

@thejonymyster I wouldn't be surprised if there's lots of users older than me :P

Fatalize

(I do the same)

thejonymyster

@py3programmer i process invoices for an air conditioning company :P

lyxal

13:12

@thejonymyster wait you're older than 20?

heck

well at least I don't feel old

thejonymyster

21 lol glug glug

py3programmer

@thejonymyster hows ACs related to codegolf

thejonymyster

im quitting soon though, just putting in my 2 weeks

py3programmer

im <redacted>

thejonymyster

@py3programmer 'snot.

py3programmer

13:13

@thejonymyster sorry

thejonymyster

ur good :-)

peace on earth

nothing golfy about my job ~~which is why im quitting~~

py3programmer

from now on ~~acs are related to codegolf~~ we wont talk about @thejonymyster's job ever again

Fatalize

@cairdcoinheringaahing I assume you’re from the US?

caird coinheringaahing

UK

py3programmer

im from india

Fatalize

13:14

ah good

thejonymyster

@py3programmer ive considered trying to make a challenge relating to my job as a joke but i ltierally cant think of anything

Fatalize

better coverage with previous mods

py3programmer

but live in UAE

a good choice

Fatalize

but also bad because UK enemy of France

py3programmer

@thejonymyster process my invoices

caird coinheringaahing

13:15

@Fatalize Yeah, I think we've got Australia, Canada, UK, and either EU/USA, so pretty solid coverage between us

py3programmer

@Fatalize @cairdcoinheringaahing isnt neccessarily your enemy

thejonymyster

@py3programmer right, but most of that is literally copying data from one place to another, so i guess itd be like... a formatting challenge?

Fatalize

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wheat’s profile says New York?

thejonymyster

actually i guess i could see it, find the required data in input, and put it in the correct order in output

py3programmer

So your job has absolutely no computers

Fatalize

13:16

@py3programmer it’s a joke bro

thejonymyster

oh the job is done on a computer lol

its just like... not super automatable because all the vendors have their own invoice format

py3programmer

@Fatalize idts

thejonymyster

and then i have to also spot issues / discrepancies

its liek papers please

py3programmer

i bet mousetail works with you

caird coinheringaahing

@Fatalize Yeah, but I remember that they were in Germany a while back, and not sure if they're still there or not. Didn't want to assume

py3programmer

13:17

@thejonymyster you work for LG?

thejonymyster

im not familiar with the reference there :P is working for LG like playing Papers, Please?

py3programmer

LG sells ACs

Whos heard of that LG?

I have

thejonymyster

i forgot they sell more than phones

py3programmer

anyway which company do you work for?

I dont work

thejonymyster

that being said, i wont leak the name of my company because if you google it + my state you get the address :P

Fatalize

13:19

Big Korean companies always sell loads of different stuff

py3programmer

I mean my brain does, im just not employed

thejonymyster

i dont work *shuts off*

py3programmer

What's your state?

thejonymyster

i have an nda on that one :P

py3programmer

Shoot

thejonymyster

13:20

ive sworn the hippocratic oath with the entire state of florida

py3programmer

But honestly you dont have ndas for revealing company names right?

thejonymyster

no, nothing of the sort, i just dont wanna get merc'd

online privacy and all that

Fatalize

I just noticed it’s "jonYmyster_" and not "jon_mysterY" and now I’m mentally unwell

lyxal

@Fatalize no, you're Fatalize

get it right

thejonymyster

@Fatalize equivalent exchange

Fatalize

13:21

@lyxal ._.

thejonymyster

This challenge's name has haunted me since the first time I saw it. I think the onymiser substring and syllable count put it just close enough to my username to simulate the uncanny valley effect. — thejonymyster Jul 14 at 13:11

on a challenge called "Backronymiser឵឵"

py3programmer

croyez-vous dans fantomes?

@Fatalize correct it

Fatalize

@py3programmer Croyez-vous aux fantômes ?

If what you want to say is "Do you believe in ghosts?"

py3programmer

yup

thejonymyster

i only believe in one ghost, the grain ghost :-)

py3programmer

13:25

well only one word mistake

I'm studying french as well in school

even tho i started studying it a semester back, i get better marks than my friends

before that, hindi: ITS SO HARD

@thejonymyster and challenge name ghosts

thejonymyster

XD

py3programmer

Why are you laughing?

thejonymyster

i think the thing you are telling me is funny :-) challenge name ghosts

lyxal

@thejonymyster challenge named ghosts

thejonymyster

lmao

py3programmer

13:28

What? Bachronymiser haunted you

lyxal

how has my sense of humour degraded this far

to the point where anything remotely resembling finger is funny

thejonymyster

user named ginger

py3programmer

Ok gtg play astroparty

thejonymyster

peace out gamer o/

lyxal

@thejonymyster Ginguh, Put your bots away Ginguh. I'm not posting to main right now Ginguh

py3programmer

13:30

nah im back

lyxal

no, you're py3programmer

get it right

py3programmer

im back as py3programmer

ok we need to curb @lyxal's enthusiasm with "no, you're" jokes

thejonymyster

ive never seen that phrase used outside of the name of that one show

py3programmer

BTW Im watching alan becker right now

lyxal

@py3programmer what was that?

py3programmer

13:36

alan becker

lyxal

@py3programmer did you say you don't want to be pinged?

@py3programmer is that what you said?

py3programmer

hey you pinged me

twice!

thejonymyster

cmon none of that

lyxal

@py3programmer huh, so I did

thejonymyster

unwarranted

lyxal

13:37

@py3programmer sorry, how rude of me to ping you twice when you said you didn't want to be pinged

@py3programmer I won't do it anymore I swear

py3programmer

wut about right now?

lyxal

@py3programmer what do you mean right now

@py3programmer ah nuts I did it again didn't I

py3programmer

Stop im trying to watch animation vs youtube rn

but you won't gimme peace

lyxal

@py3programmer alright off you go, watch the video :p

py3programmer

thanks

Mast

13:40

For the record, you can mute pings.

py3programmer

nah idc

What would be useful is to mute pings from @Lyxal

not everyone

in case something important comes up

Mast

You can ignore users as well.

Just tap their name.

Should be one of the lower options in the menu you get.

py3programmer

done

lyxal's gone

this is why i dont vote for him

lyxal

can't handle the minor amounts of trolling

py3programmer

he can be annoying

did he say anything

my messages look seperated

lyxal

13:43

lol nobody say anything to that

py3programmer

and here too

Mast

It appears to work then @py3

py3programmer

i should post a meta saying "should i ignore lyxal on chat?"

@Mast yes it does

thejonymyster

you should not :P

py3programmer

jk

thejonymyster

13:45

silly

ok im gonna go back to pretending to do my job, ping me if anything interesting happens /j

py3programmer

> pretending to do my job

@thejonymyster that's interesting

lyxal

oh how the turns table :p

Mast

...

4

py3programmer

well ig lyxal's gone

no wait my messages are seperate

lyxal's still here!

PyGamer0

what is happening here lol

py3programmer

13:48

i ignored @lyxal

lyxal

@PyGamer0 I did a little trolling (as usual, nothing out of the ordinary)

py3programmer

but now i have no idea whats he doing

thejonymyster

@thejonymyster (start here)

PyGamer0

@lyxal lol, normal

py3programmer

And he responded again

thejonymyster

13:49

i wonder what chat looks like if you block everyone

py3programmer

@lyxal's too mysterious to deserve my vote

lyxal

@thejonymyster I did that once, really empty

thejonymyster

lyxal antisocial era

lyxal

that was during shudders cat week

py3programmer

Hey anyone what did he say

Ok this is driving me crazy

lyxal

13:50

we do not talk about cat week

@py3programmer :p

thejonymyster

@lyxal lmao yeah i can imagine that

Mast

You do not?

Why not?

PyGamer0

@lyxal shudders as well cat week

py3programmer

What did he say again

and wuts cat week

PyGamer0

~~we should do dog week~~

lyxal

13:51

@Mast because of all the catgirl pfps that flooded the room

Mast

Oh deer...

thejonymyster

deer week? :-)

py3programmer

Fine thats it

@lyxal's unblocked

PyGamer0

@lyxal cat != catgirl, it was catgirl week

py3programmer

oh i see

Mast

13:51

I vaguely remember this room having a problem with anime floods, yes.

lyxal

Aug 17, 2021 at 15:16, by Wezl

CMC: Change your profile picture to a cat for a week

thejonymyster

random question, but what's site policy on sockpuppet accounts

Mast

@thejonymyster Don't.

py3programmer

like spambots?

PyGamer0

@Mast lol

lyxal

13:51

@thejonymyster depends on what you're using it for

py3programmer

ig they're removed

lyxal

@thejonymyster is it for feature testing (like seeing low rep accounts)? maybe. is it for a chat bot? sure. is it for voting fraud? hell no

thejonymyster

@Mast dont worry, i wouldnt have asked with a diamond in the room if my intent was "OK time to go make one and do malicious things"

caird coinheringaahing

@thejonymyster There's 2 acceptable uses: to test something like a bug that only applies to low rep users, and to use as a chat bot

PyGamer0

i just realised a CR mod is here, oh no

Mast

13:53

@thejonymyster There's a tag.

thejonymyster

aha, thank you

thx all

py3programmer

@PyGamer0 you escape when mods arrive?

caird coinheringaahing

As a general rule, they're allowed, so long as there's zero interaction between you and the sock

Alternatively, I wanna try out this "delete user" button, so go commit some voter fraud :P
(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

thejonymyster

ew i just found out about the term "meatpuppet" in that tag

Mast

@cairdcoinheringaahing Don't do anything with a sock you wouldn't be able to do with a single account.

So, upvoting the same post twice is not acceptable. That's counted as interaction, even if a third party is posting the Q/A.

PyGamer0

13:54

@py3programmer no

py3programmer

Then?

thejonymyster

@Mast right that makes sense

i imagine for our site, participating in a CnR as both users might be an issue aswell

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing uh oh

PyGamer0

@py3programmer CR != CG, they are polar opposites :P

lyxal

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/134580

I've had hella interaction :p

py3programmer

13:56

oh

lyxal

(not voting fraud obviously)

caird coinheringaahing

Here I go nuking :P

thejonymyster

or hell, even posting on the same koth might be questionable

caird coinheringaahing

The question is, do I keep lyxal, or lyxal with accents? :P

lyxal

I mean, you can on the alt if you want

py3programmer

13:56

history question

who was our first user?

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing flip a coin

PyGamer0

@py3programmer i believe CJY

caird coinheringaahing

@py3programmer Jeff Atwood has user id 1

CJY was our first actual user

py3programmer

noice

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Nah, if I do want to go nuke an account, I have like 4 accounts from the low rep bug that I used for testing that I can nuke

thejonymyster

13:57

~~who is our most opinionated user~~

Mast

@thejonymyster Both posting an answer on the same question would be a bad idea too, yes.

py3programmer

me, or lyxal, or you, or caird

lyxal

@thejonymyster Joe

PyGamer0

@lyxal joe mama?

hahaha

Mast

@PyGamer0 Yet some users are/were active on both :-)

lyxal

13:58

@PyGamer0 what? no! that's way too predicatable

thejonymyster

@Mast oh interesting, i didnt expect that

caird coinheringaahing

@thejonymyster Peter Taylor has the most answers to discussion posts, and is the 4th highest scoring user

py3programmer

> predicatable

lyxal

Joe (1970 film)

Joe is a 1970 drama film written by Norman Wexler and directed by John G. Avildsen. It stars Peter Boyle, Dennis Patrick, and Susan Sarandon in her film debut. == Plot == Advertising executive Bill Compton, his wife Joan, and daughter Melissa are a wealthy family living in New York's Upper East Side. Melissa has been living with her drug-dealing boyfriend. After Melissa overdoses and is sent to a hospital, Compton goes to her boyfriend's apartment to get her clothes. He confronts and kills the boyfriend in a fit of rage. At a nearby bar he hears factory worker Joe Curran ranting about how he hates...

he's the Joe everyone is talking about

py3programmer

yeah yeah

Mast

13:59

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wait till you find how many spammers show up and you'll have near-infinite target practice.

py3programmer

i assume you were talking about joe mama

or "joe haha"

caird coinheringaahing

@Mast Spammers always spam when I'm asleep :(

lyxal

@py3programmer see, predictable. gotta hit'em with the bait and switch

PyGamer0

@cairdcoinheringaahing and they spam here when lyxal is awake :P hence i voted for lyxal ¶:

lyxal

I just get Smokey to auto-flag spam for me :p

py3programmer

14:00

@thejonymyster had a script that told whether @cairdcoinheringaahing was sleeping

i think

Grain Ghost

@Mast I don't think we get a lot of spammers.

thejonymyster

@Mast im not sure i get why, especially since one user can already post multiple answers on the same question

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Oh yeah, I need to disable that for CGCC

Mast

@cairdcoinheringaahing Should be done automatically, I think.

py3programmer

@cairdcoinheringaahing what would happen to the answers that already are posted by the same user

Mast

14:01

Smokey keeps track of your diamonds.

caird coinheringaahing

Ah, nice

py3programmer

k bye

Mast

Ask Makyen if you want to be sure.

Mak knows everything.

Alan Bagel

oops

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Alternating patterns Given an input array, find the number of substrings (contiguous sublists) that are longer than two characters and alternate between odd and even, or even and odd. You can assume that the input only contains the numbers 0-9. Zero is considered even. Test cases [2, 3, 4, 5] => ...

Feedback?

Grain Ghost

CMC: Find a closed post (on main or meta). Score is the number of close voters who are moderators. Tie breaker is number of former moderators, tie breaker is number of total voters. (Score to beat is 2-0-5).

(Only close voters on the most recent closure count)

@AlanBagel It's a little boring. Have you considered a self-scoring type version?

Alan Bagel

14:11

hmm

caird coinheringaahing

@GrainGhost I have an SEDE query kinda for this, lemme see if I can find it :P

Alan Bagel

@GrainGhost how does self-scoring work?

Grain Ghost

So generally speaking it's not code-golf instead your score is the output when your program is run on itself.

So if you do that instead of code-golf then your score would be then number of contiguous substrings that alternate between even and odd bytes.

Which incentivises shorter programs (since they have less substrings total) but also might incentivise careful selection of bytes.

Alan Bagel

ok

Grain Ghost

You'd probably want the tie breaker to still be code-golf though, since some languages are going to be better at this than others.

I'm really recommending thingking about this. I am not certain it would work.

Generally I would try to solve the challenge in your favourite language first.

You definitely want that tie breaker if you are doing this. You can get a score of 0 by just putting two spaces between every character, which is likely to work pretty well in most languages.

You might prefer posing this as restricted-source, where you have to score perfect? But that would rule out some languages.

Alan Bagel

14:23

@GrainGhost better?

Grain Ghost

You might want to say low score is better.

Also I do encourage you to try it out and see how it feels.

Alan Bagel

ok

py3programmer

I'd have thought this was done already

Ginger

what'd I miss

apparently a few hundred messages and the sudden appearance of a CR mod

Seggan

oooh yay 4k rep

FGITW really gives rep

Radvylf Programs

14:45

I have made an esolang

Still need to finish implementing it, but it's...interesting

Seggan

congrats

is it the secret one

Radvylf Programs

No, it's not a golflang

thejonymyster

damn i really wanted to know the stack idea lol

still, excited for a new lang from Radvlf Programs (R)

Seggan

^^

Ginger

@lyxal is it for trolling lyxal? hell yes :p

Ginger

14:59

so in other news, here's some syntax for a DSL I came up with for specifying what dependencies of a package to install in what circumstances:

foo ^= 1.0
bar == 1.2

platform:windows platform:version:10 {
  baz-win10
}
else {
  baz
}

platform:linux {
  linux:kernel-version:^=4.0 distro:arch/manjaro {
    [archaddons] {
      spam-arch-addons == 1.17
    }
  }
}

[use-foo], [use-foobar] {
  foobar >= 1.0, < 1.7
}

cool stuff, eh?

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