The Nineteenth Byte

Radvylf Programs

15:05

@DialFrost inquestion:

thejonymyster

and then the question number after the colon

Radvylf Programs

Or this for the current one

thejonymyster

lol ty ginger

you saw my cry for help

Ginger

no porblem

thejonymyster

idk how to preface this thought; i know we were talking about different i/o standards recently and how the f=(x,y)=> => f=x=>y=> golf is kind of pointless or whatever, but i like it in this case where we're taking a dictionary, because i feel like it kind of makes sense to curry for that lol

like its a different function for each dictionary :-) idk how to postface this thought

Radvylf Programs

15:11

Yeah that makes sense

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/62167851#62167851

thejonymyster

@RadvylfPrograms thank goodness i thought i was crazy

Ginger

who knows, maybe you both are :b

Radvylf Programs

Wait you posted that on meta?

Ginger

I did

and we voted

Radvylf Programs

15:12

We already had agreed not to make it "official" until other stuff had happened

Ginger

I must've missed that meeting

Radvylf Programs

Sep 3 at 13:45, by Radvylf Programs

How official is OTTNB going to be going forward? It was originally just an experiment, so there was never any real announcement or fanfare, and now it's pretty consistently got activity and around 4-5 users online. It's currently got the same ROs as normal TNB, and it has TNB in the name, so should we in some way formally make it an official room?

Discussion surrounding ^

Ginger

hm

Radvylf Programs

IIRC we'd agreed we would give it a name first, then give it a chatiquette

No, I'm saying that I don't recognize that the meta post exists :p

Ginger

it seems that the TNB community wishes to make it official

thejonymyster

15:15

like a name as in a funny clever name?

Ginger

so perhaps yall should move forward with that

ooh, I love clever names

thejonymyster

like this is already off of the actual golf course, how much further can you get from golf while still recognizably being golf related

Ginger

the sqrt(-1)*18th byte

thejonymyster

iteenth

Ginger

the 65536th byte :b

thejonymyster

15:18

thats for the code bowling room q:

Ginger

lol

more golfing metaphors

PyGamer0

The Nineteenth Bit

thejonymyster

genuinely though it seems like ottnb would have to be the diner, and then tnb would be renamed to something on the actual golf course

Radvylf Programs

I'd rather it not be something with the acronym TNB for easier discussion

Ginger

"The Sand Trap"

TST

thejonymyster

15:20

i was gonna suggest one of those but i forgot waht they were called lol

Ginger

sand pit or sand trap depending on where you're from

Radvylf Programs

"Official" Poll: Do you think Off-Topic TNB should be an "official" room alongside TNB (link in TNB's room description, chatiquette, RO'd by TNB ROs)? Should it get a full name before this, and if so, what should it be?

6

@Ginger I really like this

@RadvylfPrograms Also: Do you think we should do the naming as a vote on Meta?

thejonymyster

@RadvylfPrograms i like it too but it runs into the issue of not at all being code related.. and were like, not a golf-golf community

Radvylf Programs

Hmm, true

thejonymyster

the pun in this rooms name sets a pretty difficult precedent

mathcat

15:23

@RadvylfPrograms yes, yes and yes

thejonymyster

oh yea thats way better than goofin about it in here lol

we can still talk about it here why not

Radvylf Programs

Problem is, "The Nineteenth Byte" already makes it sound a bit off-topic (since a The Nineteenth Hole would be where you go after golfing)

We need a place where golfers would go after golfing, but not actually be discussing golf

Alternatively, we could do something bowling or KotH related, which I think would be a better idea

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms we asked this question already and the answer was yes

Radvylf Programs

Hmm, true. I guess your meta post did end up being general enough that it is also a poll about whether it should be "official"

Ginger

> Should we officially recognize Off-Topic TNB?

._.

@thejonymyster hmmmmmmmmmm

the name of this room is, like, a once-in-a-lifetime kind of pun

idk if we can reproduce that level of genius

Seggan

15:37

@RadvylfPrograms yeah

wait what

i wrote yes

my fingers have a mind of their own

@RadvylfPrograms yes

Ginger

ffs

time to write up another meta post! I just love writing up meta posts! /s

Radvylf Programs

Nobody said you should do that

Ginger

and that's why I added a /s

Radvylf Programs

Well you keep writing meta posts, not asking for feedback on them first, and then not really telling people that you did :p

Ginger

I do have a bit of a bad track record when it comes to that lol

in Off-Topic TNB, Jul 19 at 5:09, by lyxal

Y'all nerds humourn't

in fact, I am in general not all that good at being patient and waiting for feedback before doing something

*motions at self* it's a work in progress

PyGamer0

15:51

yesterday, by PyGamer0

CMM: This sandboxxed challenge of mine link involves converting integers to floating point numbers, by reinterpreting them as 32 bit floating point numbers. Should I specify expected precision of the output? Do floating point errors even matter in this case?

Seggan

no

id say post it so i can fgitw a c answer

PyGamer0

alrighty i am posting it

Seggan

just did a little test program, there are FP errors

id say just ignore them

PyGamer0

@Seggan dang

how

Seggan

C (GCC), 37 bytes: float f(int x){return *((float*)&x);}

PyGamer0

15:59

@Seggan that is not a floating point error?

Seggan

3.140000 vs 3.1400001049041748046875?

PyGamer0

@Seggan that is just how c prints it

Seggan

ah

ok nvm then

PyGamer0

@Seggan ato.pxeger.com/…

Seggan

ah

PyGamer0

16:03

so uh i will post it unless someone finds FP errors

@Seggan i think you can golf it more

Seggan

only golf i found was the space before the *

PyGamer0

Sep 21 at 7:06, by Bubbler

C, 27 bytes: float f(float*x){return*x;} Takes the pointer to int as input

m90

The outer parentheses can also be removed.

Seggan

@PyGamer0 is that allowed?

PyGamer0

@Seggan i dont know if that is allowed

but yes like m90 said you can remove the outer parens

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16:15

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Q: Convert an integer to IEEE 754 float

The task is simple, given a 32 bit integer, convert it to its floating point value as defined by the IEEE 754 (32-bit) standard. IEEE 754 Here is a converter for your reference. Here is how the format looks: The standard is similar to scientific notation. The sign bit determines whether the outp...

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Is it an alphadrome? code-golf string palindrome An alphadrome is a word in which the each letter in the first half of the word "reflects" its alphabetical "opposite" in the second half of the world. Write a program or function that returns truthy if the given word is an alphadrome and falsey oth...

Seggan

is there a CGCC discord server?

Aiden Chow

@Seggan yea

Seggan

link?

caird coinheringaahing

discord.gg/Tv9RZZCqB9

Seggan

16:23

ty

graffe

17:03

if I call X the minimum of n independent random variable sampled from 0..1, does E(1/X) actually exist?

0..1 means the real numbers from 0 to 1 here

caird coinheringaahing

@graffe Open or closed interval?

graffe

closed but I don't think it makes a difference does it?

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Q: A decimal-based unit of time

Background In 1960, the 11th General Conference on Weights and Measures defined the Système International d'Unités (SI) Units which scientists still use today. The metre and the kilogram became standard units in that conference. These were based on powers of 10 (10, 100, 1000, etc.). For example:...

code-golf math

caird coinheringaahing

I think so. I think it almost always exists for a closed interval, but always exists for an open interval, as X can never be zero for open, but is almost never 0 for closed

graffe

I am worried the reciprocal will mean we are computing something that doesn't converge

DLosc

17:09

1/E(X) ought to exist, but I guess that's not the same thing

graffe

@DLosc Right it's not

caird coinheringaahing

I found this and this, which address calculating E[1/X] for some X, and calculating E[X] for X = min(X1, ..., Xn), respectively. You could potentially combine the two?

caird coinheringaahing

17:22

Using those, and from some back-of-the-envelope math, I think the existence of E[1/X] depends on the converges of the integral from 0 to 1 of (1-x)^(n-1)/x

WA says it doesn't converge

Bgil Midol

17:40

What was the online word game where you had to guess words depending on a value representing how similar your word was to the target word called?

thejonymyster

semantle?

that game is hard lol

Bgil Midol

oh right i forgot

thejonymyster

i assumed as much, judging by the fact that you were asking :P

alternatively, Wordle, if you consider "a string of green, gray, and yellow colorings" as a value lol

Bgil Midol

uh i dont

thejonymyster

i might, depending on the day :-)

Seggan

17:53

@PyGamer0 interesting solution to your challenge

Bgil Midol

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Alternating patterns Given an input array, find substrings with a length > 2 and alternate even and odd or odd and even. You can assume that the input only contains the numbers 0-9. Zero is considered even. Test cases [2, 3, 4, 5] => 2 (More test cases coming soon) Feedback? Test case suggesti...

Feedback?

Seggan

@thejonymyster 50 rep bounty claimed

thejonymyster

18:23

@Seggan awesome :-) should i wait for the existing bounty on the question to go away or would you rather i give it to you on some random answer of yours

cause i cant give it on your answer while theres another bounty up on the question

Seggan

ill take the 1st option

i can wait

thejonymyster

pog, will do it once it lets me then (^_^)b thanks for playing

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Alternating patterns Given an input array, find substrings with a length > 2 and alternate even and odd or odd and even. You can assume that the input only contains the numbers 0-9. Zero is considered even. Test cases [2, 3, 4, 5] => 2 (More test cases coming soon) Feedback? Test case suggesti...

Seggan

@thejonymyster thanks for the free rep :P

thejonymyster

string equals non case sensitive is a good builtin btw

Seggan

18:31

ty

thejonymyster

in fact id even say its useful outside of golf :P much better than first converting to a case and then doing string comparison

graffe

@cairdcoinheringaahing thank you. This is as I feared

@cairdcoinheringaahing what is n in your example?

Radvylf Programs

18:57

Does the election end in an hour

thejonymyster

ask again in an hour

emanresu A

→ 1 message moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

Seggan

@RadvylfPrograms mine says tomorrow

mathcat

what

Radvylf Programs

@Seggan So does mine, but 7 days after it started is an hour from now if timezones aren't fricking witn me

Seggan

19:04

mathcat

oh wow

emanresu A

@Seggan You voted for <whitespace>? How could you do this, Seggan...

Radvylf Programs

<whitespace> will ruin this country

mathcat

<whitespace> literally translates to "Democracy do dumb"

Seggan

@emanresuA cmon, he'll Make Code Golf Great Again™!

Steffan

19:57

I voted for <whitespace> or <whitespace>

emanresu A

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ginger

lmao

Steffan

Idk, I only had two options

mathcat

Do you want america double-nuked?

Ginger

huh?

mathcat

20:05

<whitespace> is going to destroy the world.

Ginger

wellshit,guessIbetterstopusingitthen:p

mathcat

goodidea

thejonymyster

every time you send a message, theres an implicit \n between your message and the last

best to stop sending messages entirely

Ginger

\nisn'twhitespace

thejonymyster

newline is whitespace, yes :P

it's just vertical whitespace, not horizontal

(not joking)

Ginger

20:09

no

mathcat

newline is CR and LF

Unrelated String

@BgilMidol pain and suffering

it’s called pain and suffering

Ginger

my favorite activity!

Unrelated String

@RadvylfPrograms bowling would definitely be a good source of names

Seggan

@mathcat noneofthosearewhitespace

Unrelated String

20:15

might not be super fitting considering it’s such a marginal fraction of challenges but being off topic is kind of the point anyways

Seggan

@thejonymyster itsnot\nits<br>

caird coinheringaahing

@graffe The number of samples

@RadvylfPrograms The 11th Pin

Unrelated String

wait what if we named it after popcons

because those are almost always off topic

maybe make some kind of popcorn pun

caird coinheringaahing

The Highest Voted? :P

Unrelated String

“the popcon stand”

Ginger

20:18

The Popcon Machine

Unrelated String

yes

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString I like that

Ginger

I think that something involving a sand trap/sand pit would be good

Bgil Midol

@Ginger +1

Ginger

~~I think you mean +=1 :p~~

thejonymyster

20:19

@Seggan you guys are insane. newline is whitespace

Ginger

no

thejonymyster

also +1 to the popcon machine/stand idea, someone add that to the meta thread

Unrelated String

where is the meta thread

i’m on mobile

thejonymyster

idk either i just know theres gonna be one / sposed to be one? :P

Radvylf Programs

@UnrelatedString Not necessarily

They're allowed, just heavily discouraged

Unrelated String

20:21

“almost”

oh i see

Radvylf Programs

Oh oops

thejonymyster

still fits as a good name imo

Unrelated String

that’s a good point actually :P

thejonymyster

even if the reasoning isnt perfect

Unrelated String

yeah it’s still a good name

Ginger

20:22

The Ampersand Trap :b

caird coinheringaahing

I've posted a non-closed, positively scoring popcon, therefore, all users should and can post whatever popcons they want :P

Radvylf Programs

Okay so apparently my countdown,html is a day off

thejonymyster

id still like to wait out for more candidates but its definitely worth posting

^^^^ nice

caird coinheringaahing

@Ginger I don't get this?

Why sand?

thejonymyster

golf

Ginger

20:23

Hazard (golf)

A hazard is an area of a golf course in the sport of golf which provides a difficult obstacle, which may be of two types: (1) water hazards such as lakes and rivers; and (2) man-made hazards such as bunkers. The governing body for the game of golf outside the US and Canada, The R&A, say that A "hazard" is any bunker or water hazard. Special rules apply to play balls that fall in a hazard. For example, a player may not touch the ground with their club before playing a ball, not even for a practice swing. A ball in any hazard may be played as it lies without penalty. If it cannot be played from the...

oh right, they're called bunkers

caird coinheringaahing

As in bunkers? Nah, I don't like that as a name

Radvylf Programs

We should make an official TNB bunker

caird coinheringaahing

Clearly we should name it Indonesian Gambling Spam

thejonymyster

code-golf-with-hazards when

Ginger

oooh

Radvylf Programs

20:23

300 feet under the ground, a network of tunnels connect all across the world

caird coinheringaahing

@thejonymyster They're called restricted-source or builtin-bans

Ginger

Did you mean: Internet?

Radvylf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing TNBakery actually used to be named that :p

Ginger

The Casino

nah

caird coinheringaahing

@RadvylfPrograms I named it that :P

Radvylf Programs

20:24

Oh lol

caird coinheringaahing

Do not cite the deep magic to me, Radvylf. I was there when it was written

Ginger

maybe something to do with "water hazard" because computers go foom when exposed to water ~~and/or nobody here showers~~?

@RadvylfPrograms Don't argue with a user whose room list doesn't fit on your screen q:

caird coinheringaahing

Tbf, I agree with Redwolf that it shouldn't really relate to golf. It's already off-topic from TNB which is golf related, and personally, while I like the odd golf reference here and there, we aren't just a golfing site

thejonymyster

yeah but its our off topic room, not anyone else's'

Radvylf Programs

IGS wouldn't actually be a bad name

caird coinheringaahing

20:27

Yeah, it would :P

Don't even want to possibly encourage spam

Ginger

Incidental Golfing diScussion

Seggan

@Ginger this

caird coinheringaahing

Potentially something that also acronymises to TNB?

Radvylf Programs

PLEASE NO

Ginger

PLEASE YES

Radvylf Programs

20:29

It's already annoying enough having to type "TNBakery" needing to clarify which TNB we're talking about spells instant death for the room

I will leave this site and never return if y'all do that

Ginger

The Nineteenth Bullsh*t

Radvylf Programs

And I'm not bountying any of my rep away first either

caird coinheringaahing

@RadvylfPrograms I just call it the Bakery :P

But yeah, I can see the problems in a second TNB

Ginger

oh no, guess we'll have to find another RO and I'll have to convert OLIMAR to use ATO :b

thejonymyster

how about BNT instead. Big noobs talking lol

caird coinheringaahing

20:30

How about "The Other Eighteen Bytes"?

Radvylf Programs

Why are there 27

Ginger

Banal Nonsense chaT

Radvylf Programs

I can't count

Why are there 37

Wait I'm stupid

The ones before the 19th bytes

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah :P

The existence of a 19th byte implies the existence of 18 others :P

Ginger

The Parity Bit?

thejonymyster

20:32

interesting

Bgil Midol

^

Unrelated String

lmao

DLosc

21:19

-1 from me for naming it anything "popcon." First, off-topic TNB isn't any kind of contest. Second, I still have a vague idea for a proposal (which I haven't gotten around to typing up on meta) that says "Let's create a chat room where people can post & answer popcon-type challenges that would be too subjective for the main site," and I'd like the popcon-related names to be available for that if it ever happens. :P

Maybe "Off the Course"? Keeps the golf metaphor and also refers to how our conversations veer off course.

emanresu A

Ooh

Radvylf Programs

I like that

Jo King

isn't "the 19th byte" already referring to the pub/restaurant you go after finishing the other 18 golf holes?

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, its the bar at the golf course

Jo King

i guess that might still be on the course

Unrelated String

21:33

yeah off course is a good one

and yeah an actual subjective challenges room seems like a really cool idea

though i can’t help feeling like it might not be so active that it needs its own room versus just being a subset of cmcs in tnb it’s worth keeping the option open

thejonymyster

21:51

agree about the subjective challenges idea being cool :P

also +1 off the course

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Does the sequence shut the box? Determine whether a given sequence could be a winning sequence for the game shut the box. Background There are a few variants to this game, so I'll clarify the rules here. Play begins with 12 tiles (1 through 12) face up. Each turn the player roles two d6 dice, and...

Seggan

23:50

@DLosc me likes that

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