The Nineteenth Byte

Ginger

00:13

@hyper-neutrino mod corruption 1313333131!

wait

that statement implies that you can run for mod even if you are already mod

so do you get, like, Stack Exchange Gold?

cc @mathcat

Niko

mod^2

Ginger

mododeratorer

caird coinheringaahing

Well, we now officially have a contested election :P

Seggan

@Ginger also .cmo -> .com

caird coinheringaahing

I do like how nominations have a big header with our names, and both me and lyxal have opened with some form of "Hi, I'm <name>" :P

Seggan

00:19

codegolf.stackexchange.com/review/close/66397

im kinda divided on whether to close this

while "random" IMO is well enough defined, i actually have no idea what the examples are saying

Ginger

@cairdcoinheringaahing ~~we're not so different after all~~

caird coinheringaahing

@DigitalTrauma I couldn't figure it out either until I realized that you're not printing one "clock," you're printing n clocks side-by-side (which was not at all clear from the question). So in the n = 4 example, you see four "clocks"—the first with the top row *153, the second with the top row *135, and so on. — Jordan Sep 15, 2016 at 1:06

Bubbler

@Seggan Took some time to understand but it seems to be well-defined after all

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing that should be clarified

caird coinheringaahing

The current VTC is about the definition of "random"

@Seggan Feel free to edit to do so. I believe that currently, it's clear enough to understand, albeit not obvious

Bubbler

00:23

oh, random :/

Seggan

IMO "random" means "uniformly pseudo-random"

emanresu A

I spent three minutes trying to figure out what it was doing. VTC'd until someone clears that up

Seggan

ill leave it open

caird coinheringaahing

I gave a crack at an edit, lemme know

Bubbler

The intention would likely be "uniformly and independently"

Seggan

00:25

still dont get how to solve the challenge

caird coinheringaahing

There just wasn't enough emphasis/clarification that each square along is rotated again. If they were separated vertically by newlines from each other, rather than horizontally by spaces, it'd be very clear

Bubbler

*...|...*|....|....
....|....|....|....
....|....|....|....
....|....|...*|*...

caird coinheringaahing

Vertically

Bubbler

The position of asterisk is rotated 90deg from a grid to the next

and then fill the dots with random digits

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal I'm afraid I can't morally vote for you in the election until this is fulfilled, to show that you truly care about the community and their desires :P

2 days ago, by caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Still waiting on @lyxal to make Never Gonna Give You Up out of his screams and Aaron washing sounds

Ginger

00:31

Finally, someone who cares about important issues in the community!

lyxal

in Off-Topic TNB, Sep 7 at 14:51, by lyxal

Decided I wanted to not have cringe available to the public any more

You nerds haven't even realised all the other videos are gone

Ginger

because that one was all that mattered

although tbh I am glad it's gone because I didn't like still being called "Ginger Industries" in it

but you had no way of knowing about the name change so it's not your fault

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal This is comparable to the burning of the Library of Alexandria

4

lyxal

but /srs no, I'm not gonna make the rickroll video. I actually don't want to

thejonymyster

^^^^^^^ thats what they said when they burned it too

emanresu A

00:35

sacrilege

Ginger

unthinkable

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal While I respect your resolve, just know you've disappointed me this day

Ginger

if the public did not want funny haha lyxal then the public would not have given 15 stars to this message

Seggan

so ive been rerunning the elo language rater and...

lets just say the results have been surprising

im still tweaking the parser to work with the frac byte langs but ill update the post

spoiler: vyxal has gotten better since janruary

Ginger

> janruary

thejonymyster

00:41

spelling has not gotten better since janruary

Ginger

~~golflang named spelling:~~

thejonymyster

lmao

Ginger

mfw apt fails to update packages because:
a depends on c version 0.1 but 0.2 is queued for install
b depends on c version 0.2 but 0.1 is queued for install

5

thejonymyster

incredible

lyxal

mmm recursive dependencies

Ginger

00:45

I shid you not:

lyxal

@Ginger Music playing: The part where we elect a community moderator

Ginger

it's just all of the mods beatboxing The Part Where He Kills You

lyxal

"Had a bit of a brain wave - there I was, smashing some spam flags together, and I thought to myself 'yeah it's effective, but what's missing? what's missing? And I thought a new moderator added to the moderator team"

Ginger

"wait no where are you going don't post that"

"How about you just report yourself? just click that big link right there?"

funny

lyxal

"Well, no matter. Because I'm STILL holding all the challenges, and guess what: they're allll Indonesian Gambling Spam! I've never posted a challenge. Meaning to learn."

Seggan

00:56

@Ginger there are apparently golflangs names "5 bytes", according to the script

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Set of all sets code-golf sequence set-theory open-ended-function, write the "index by number" sequence

caird coinheringaahing

@OldSandboxPosts For the first, is the question itself a valid answer?

emanresu A

And can it be answered with itself?

And is it a valid comment on itself?

Ginger

And is this slab of drywall a yummy snack?

caird coinheringaahing

@Ginger Excuse me, we're making set theory jokes over here, keep your eating habits to yourself :P

Ginger

01:06

Mar 5 at 3:37, by Radvylf Programs

> TFW se ~~rver racks are really e~~ x ~~pensive so~~ y ~~ou j u st have your rack server sitting on a~~ table

I feel like I need to reference this here

Seggan

woo new language ratings!

fig was actually above jelly before i added the  tag

vyxal really climbed the ranks

see @lyxal, frac bytes aint that bad

emanresu A

Given just how few fig answers there are, I suspect you've accidentally given fig some sort of advantage by parsing it differently

Seggan

how would it get an advantage?

caird coinheringaahing

How many fig answers are there?

Seggan

around 20?

caird coinheringaahing

01:18

Also, why ?

Seggan

because the older answers use that instead of <s>

caird coinheringaahing

float(score.group(1)) this doesn't work with the new regex

score.group(1) is just the integer part

Seggan

aaaah

yeah fig is 4th now

still not bad

caird coinheringaahing

Also, I'm not sure about your span regexes

Plus, the  regex is greedy

Seggan

i just copied the <s> regex

caird coinheringaahing

01:22

That also applies to the strikethrough regex, but that seems less important than 

@Seggan People have strikethroughs in their post body less often than they do  (e.g. pre-latex math, footnotes, etc.)

Seggan

this only is parsing the header

there is no body

ive rolled back the edit for now

@cairdcoinheringaahing fig is not parsed at all if i make it like the <s> regex

i feel like rewriting the whole parser

caird coinheringaahing

Probably a decent shout

Seggan

?

caird coinheringaahing

@Seggan Yes there is, check the SEDE query

Seggan

i used bubblers query

lyxal

01:28

The body is there excel is just funky

If you opened it in something like vs code you'd see the rest of each post

Seggan

then explain this

thats NPP

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Can you run your ranking script to see if it is the same/similar data to Seggan's?

Seggan

fig wont appear in there, as will anything using  👆

caird coinheringaahing

Why wouldn't fig appear?

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing the one I run is the unmodified one though - it uses the base regex

caird coinheringaahing

01:34

Yeah, what happens if you run yours, but with the data updated to date?

I want to see whether the regexes are affecting the rankings

lyxal

one second just gotta get the data

and remember where Bubbler's query is

Seggan

@lyxal in the comments

lyxal

wonderful

SEDE time

Seggan

@lyxal drive.google.com/file/d/1cm6bRdxHgZdUAF0P0koPcrXOjg5CiOli/…

just made this morning

lyxal

even more wonderful

Seggan

01:37

im currently making the parser ignore all html

lyxal

gist.github.com/Lyxal/c5d688af71c58850a5f1f2506e92d0cc

three different files, each with different values for CUTOFF

Bubbler

> Piet + ascii

Seggan

cutoff doesnt really affect it much

caird coinheringaahing

> 5 bytes: 1799
MathGolf: 1777
3 bytes: 1767
SOGL: 1764
2sable: 1743
Actually: 1739
Convex: 1690
7 bytes: 1687
Noodel: 1676
9 bytes: 1673
6 bytes: 1670

Some interesting languages there

Jan 9, 2018 at 20:55, by Wheat Wizard

Ok we have selected a name it is "Jelly, 3 bytes"

Seggan

46 mins ago, by Seggan

@Ginger there are apparently golflangs names "5 bytes", according to the script

lyxal

01:43

even cutoff = 30 still has things like "16 bytes"

Bubbler

Yeah, maybe xx bytes must be culled away manually

Seggan

its bad parsing

i managed to reduce it by adding in 

lyxal

I actually don't know how the CUTOFF thing works

I set it to 1000 but it's missing a few languages with 1k+ answers

ah

it's a parsing issue

emanresu A

In an unexpected turn of events, 3 bytes lost to 5 bytes

6

lyxal

for some reason, the current way of parsing only reports 846 vyxal answers, despite there being at least 1500

caird coinheringaahing

01:47

5 > 3 > 7 > 9 > 6

or

Seggan

k ive done a new parser

Jelly:                                    2100
Vyxal:                                    2077
05AB1E:                                   2009
Fig:                                      1992
SOGL V0.12:                               1963
Gaia:                                     1955
Neim:                                     1923
Ohm v2:                                   1918
gs2:                                      1912
Pyke:                                     1910
Oasis:                                    1905

caird coinheringaahing

5 < 3 < 7 < 9 < 9

@Seggan That seems more accurate

emanresu A

Fig still seems unrealistically high

Seggan

ima wait for more fig answers before updating the meta post

caird coinheringaahing

Fig doesn't really have the numbers to properly compare against Vyxal/Jelly/05AB1E

emanresu A

01:48

^

Its answers are almost all to fairly trivial challenges

Bubbler

It's like having +-500 variance

caird coinheringaahing

I would like if the ratings script ignored answers to a set list of challenges, namely the "trivial challenges to start answering with a new language" list

Seggan

This seems to get around the problem of some languages only being used on easy challenges, since two languages are only compared on challenges they have in common. — trichoplax Apr 5, 2016 at 13:58

theres also a lot of (noncompeting) on the rejected headers

how this look

no 3 or 5 byte languages

lyxal

@Seggan with open('ratings.csv') as csvfile: -> with open('ratings.csv', encoding="utf-8") as csvfile:

lines.append((row['Body'], row['ParentId'])) -> lines.append((row['FirstLine'], row['ParentId']))

Seggan

and?

lyxal

02:00

what do you mean and?

pppery

So, given that Produce n n-squares of integers with rotating *'s in consecuitive corners just passed the close-vote queue, can anyone determine whether this answer is valid?

lyxal

@Seggan those need to be changed otherwise it errors

Seggan

eh i just rename the col :P

caird coinheringaahing

@pppery I believe that meta consensus is that "random", unless otherwise specified, means "uniform and independent", so it'd be invalid

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A: Standard definitions of terms within specifications

"random" The term "random" means that you may: Use your language's built-in random number generator, Use /dev/random, or Create a RNG that is equivalent to a standard RNG (such as the Mersenne Twister).

lyxal

@Seggan well the encoding="utf8" still needs to be added, otherwise you get UnicodeDecodeError: 'charmap' codec can't decode byte 0x9d in position 4174: character maps to <undefined>

caird coinheringaahing

02:02

@cairdcoinheringaahing Never mind, got it mixed up. So long as it meets the definition of random given here, I'd rule it valid

Seggan

@lyxal works fine for me?

lyxal

could be an OS thing

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Cut along the lines In this challenge you will take as input a non-empty list of binary values (these can be booleans or integers on the range 0-1), you should output all the ways to partition the list into non-empty sections such that no two adjacent equal values in the initial list are separate...

Radvylf Programs

02:46

Honestly...considering voting for Lyxal. Didn't think about the fact they'd be running, but caird and lyxal are going to be tough to decide between

caird coinheringaahing

Reminder you can (and should) vote for both of us, just one over the other :P

Radvylf Programs

Well yeah, but that doesn't really matter a ton when there's two candidates (so far) and one position :p

caird coinheringaahing

@RadvylfPrograms I will say, while I respect lyxal a lot, and, if I wasn't running, he'd be one of the 4 users I'd 100% vote for, I question his experience in moderating the site as a non-mod compared to mine. His moderation badges especially are lacking for reviews, voting and flagging

lyxal

03:10

My reviews are lacking because there's rarely anything in the queues that isn't ninja'd by y'all with userscripts. My flags are lacking because I just don't see the posts that get flagged. My voting is only lacking because of the 15k votes I've cast, most were on answers before I realised that you're best to do answers first

If I had done my voting more strategically a long time ago, I'd have the voting gold badge

caird coinheringaahing

In case it wasn't clear, I don't think it's a bad thing that you've done fewer reviews/flags, mainly because they're the kind of things that you do when they happen, rather than stuff you can just rack up. I had a similar thing 2 years ago. But, I do think that it's worth taking into consideration that you don't have the moderation experience I do

And yeah, I realised that Electorate is more "strategic" voting than pure numbers, I think you have me 3 to 1 on total votes cast or something crazy

lyxal

Fair enough

@cairdcoinheringaahing I am the second most prolific site voter, only topped by gnat after all :p

caird coinheringaahing

In that case, fraid we should both drop out and let gnat become mod

lyxal

Only logical conclusion

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Correction: around 4 to 1. 15.7k vs 3.9k

PyGamer0

03:49

lyxal and caird running for mod‽

DLosc

04:32

Hey, is there a page that lets you see your candidate score? I have zero interest in running for mod, but I'm curious what my score would be.

lyxal

There's a sede query somewhere

I'll find it for you

data.stackexchange.com/workplace/query/834092/…

@DLosc the above is a better sede query

Unrelated String

i see i'd be a top candidate

DLosc

:62083099 I was wondering why it said 0, and then I saw it was for Parenting.SE X^D

Unrelated String

same lmao

lyxal

Use the second query, it seems to be more accurate when you change the site

Unrelated String

04:36

ah lmao

DLosc

@lyxal That's more like it. Thanks.

(Heh, now I'm wondering how many sites I have a nonzero score on...)

1/40 on Worldbuilding, let's go =P

Unrelated String

big

DLosc

Wait

I didn't realize user IDs were different between sites

It's actually 4/40, lol

lyxal

Even better

mousetail

06:41

@lyxal data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/edit/1648019 CGSE version

I got 8

Fatalize

07:37

32/40 ಠ_ಠ

Unrelated String

07:56

whoa

PyGamer0

7/40

Unrelated String

lol

i'm 26/40 and for no reason at all assuming this is exactly average

emanresu A

I have 35/40

PyGamer0

i have the lowest :P

mousetail

You have more moderation badges than me though, which is probably more important

PyGamer0

08:14

how do i have more mod bagdes

mousetail

Hmmm for some reason sportsmanship counts? Not sure what your second one is

PyGamer0

i think i am spending too much time on figuring out how to use a makefile

mousetail

Oh and civic duty

DialFrost

09:12

Hiya!

Anyone have upcoming exams? :3

emanresu A

Me

DialFrost

Mine's in 2 days unfortunately :(

emanresu A

Mine's in six weeks

DialFrost

Ah well, you have time! :3

PyGamer0

@DialFrost i am in the middle of my exams lmao

i have 3 more exams remaining

computer is tomorrow

Sandbox Posts

09:27

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Next Time In The Given Category Tags: code-golftimepattern-matching Introduction: Some times using a 24-hour clock are formatted in a nice pattern. For these patterns, we'll have four different categories: All the same (pattern AA:AA or A:AA): 0:00 1:11 2:22 3:33 4:44 5:55 11:11 22:22 Inc...

DialFrost

@PyGamer0 Gl! :3

@PyGamer0 Unfortunately I didnt take CS :(

pxeger

09:49

> I am the top editor* on the site
> *Martin is listed as having more edits than me here, but for some reason, my profile shows 877 edits, while Martin has 772. Who knows?

@cairdcoinheringaahing ^ I suspect this is because the top editors page lists "number of edits", but your profile lists "posts edited" - so Martin has edit many more posts multiple times than you

I could write an SEDE query to check but I can't be bothered

mousetail

Top editor only has 700 edits? That's barely more than needed for a gold badge

DialFrost

10:16

@mousetail I expected around at least 1k :3 But I guess this site has a lot of active users who know exactly how to ask and answer questions (we don't get too many new users and if we do and they become active, they learn fast)

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger I more or less know the differences between profile edit count and /users edit count, I just didn't have the room (or inclination) to explain in my nomination

One key thing is that /users counts tag edits, while profile doesn't. Martin was part of a lot of retagging events

pxeger

Ah ok

Ginger

10:52

@PyGamer0 8/40 get beat lol nerd

mousetail

@Ginger Seems we are moderator budies

Ginger

11:08

hooray!

frend

PyGamer0

11:22

@DialFrost i am still wondering why i took CS

mousetail

I enjoyed CS

PyGamer0

Java ain't fun :(

its not computer science

its computer applications

i want cs

mousetail

My CS degree was mostly math

Discrete structures, automata, logic, probability, algorithms, data structures etc.

PyGamer0

math is fun

mousetail

agreed

PyGamer0

11:28

@mousetail sounds fun

mousetail

Especially in hindsight, at the time those where very hard subjects

have others used petri nets?

PyGamer0

honestly i dont want to learn any programming languages from school,etc because i can learn them on my own

i want to learn the science part of computer :p

mousetail

That's basically what my school was. In the first year most projects where Java but later on you could usually just choose a language yourself or needed to learn some domain specific language for the subject

even the java subjects where more about "implement this algorithm" than learn the Java syntax

DialFrost

@PyGamer0 Cm'on its fun

I love programming, but I have no time for it unfortunately

PyGamer0

i have to learn java this year then i will go to pu, where i will probably be taught python

mousetail

11:35

First year subjects are always a bit basic, they'll get more interesting later on

@DialFrost what do you spend your time on?

PyGamer0

i will have to wait 3 years before interesting CS is taught

mousetail

:/

PyGamer0

@DialFrost last time i had computer exam, and i played minecraft the day before, you can guess what happened next..

@mousetail 10th grade is boring

11th onwards is interesting

mousetail

Oh are you taking HS CS?

I thought you where talking about a college degree

PyGamer0

oh

@mousetail if HS is home science, yes

mousetail

11:40

HS = High School

PyGamer0

oh lol

then still yes

mousetail

Yea high school CS is always going to be boring

PyGamer0

we have the option to choose home science or computer

@PyGamer0 i was the only person in my class to get 25/25 :P

mousetail

I taught a after school CS class while I was in high school, I taught people HTML which isn't really programming

mathcat

high school CS is very boring

DialFrost

11:59

@mousetail Playing and studying

:3

Now I have no time, in 2 weeks im free!

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