The Nineteenth Byte

user

19:02

I found this website and the UI looks so outdated you'd think it's the first website to be built

Ginger

css? never heard of it! -CERN

Steffan

I'm having a debate of what to write my golfing language in

I want it to be fast and have arbritary precision numbers. I'm thinking Scala or Julia

It looks like Ruby is better than Python as far as speed, but Julia is still way better

user

Go with whatever you feel most comfortable coding in

pxeger

Which do you know best?

Ginger

^^

Steffan

19:14

JS but it doesn't have arbritary precision numbers

pxeger

@user lol I was just gonna suggest choosing the one they know the least, so they learn something

Steffan

And they're a pain to set up

I don't know Scala and Julia great, but I can learn them

And I like the syntax

user

@pxeger Oh yeah I guess this could be an educational experience too

pxeger

@Steffan yes it does: developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/…

Steffan

But they don't work with decimals

user

19:15

There are libraries for that

Steffan

I know BigDecimal exists, but...

pxeger

Do you really ever need arbitrary precision decimals in golf anyway?

Steffan

I guess not

user

There are some questions with very specific requirements

Steffan

But I also like trying new languages

pxeger

19:16

Those are stupid questions.

Do not bow down to stupid questions.

8

user

Depending on how weirdly implemented your algorithm is, rounding errors can have an effect

thejonymyster

@Steffan it has strings :P

pxeger

@thejonymyster I don't like the implications of this statement

Ginger

storing numbers as strings is like using a laser printer to toast bread

pxeger

I would say it's more like using a 3D printer to sign a cheque

Ginger

19:24

even better: using a wrench to hammer in a nail

thejonymyster

its like using a string to store a number

Ginger

really?

thejonymyster

nah im just yanking your chain. its like putting the horse before the carriage

Steffan

Then we'll need some complicated algorithms to do exponentation

lol

Ginger

who's this "we" kemosabe?

thejonymyster

19:25

just re implement math :P

tbh ive kind of always wanted to do that LOL

js stringmath

Steffan

argh at that point I might as well write my language in Assembly

Ginger

Did you mean: Build a computer from scratch?

thejonymyster

build a computer in scratch

pxeger

@Ginger I like my analogy, because it represents the facts that: the tool is not precise/accurate enough for the task (at least without significant extra care), and the tool's intended use is a whole "extra dimension" than the task requires

thejonymyster

(which also sounds fun)

Ginger

19:26

wow

thejonymyster

@pxeger strings arent precise enough?

Ginger

...but a 3d printer is accurate enough to be a plotter!

pxeger

well doing arithmetic using strings is pretty involved

Ginger

you can literally fookin duct-tape a pen to your printhead and draw with it

Steffan

Addition isn't too bad

And subtraction

You just have to regroup and stuff

I guess for multiplication, you could hardcode 1x1 to 9x9 and do it from there

column multiplication

thejonymyster

19:29

do you think we could have an "implement string math" challenge or is it too unobservable :P

pxeger

probably too unobservable

thejonymyster

sad! still could be fun to do as not a challenge

emanresu A

19:48

@Ginger This is a terrible idea

@pxeger I read this as "3d hammer"

@user You should probably edit the question

user

I don't see how I would do that

I'd probably invalidate the two answers already there

And anyway, the question isn't really worth salvaging

emanresu A

Edit as in remove the +500 bounty

And maybe link to your solution

user

Oh okay

Ginger

20:12

@emanresuA I know that, because I've done it

Zion mycelia adamancy

@Ginger I've done this, minus "print" :P

Ginger

excuse me

Zion mycelia adamancy

@Ginger consider yourself excused

user

20:28

@pxeger Very useful Zsh plugin I found that you may want to install

Mayube

@DLosc Stellaris, Endless Legend. Could probably argue that Factorio is a 4x game :P

Ginger

4x?

user

@user (/srs this one might be useful for golfing)

Ooh, this is good if you suck at typing like me

emanresu A

20:52

@NewPosts Okay waht

Zion mycelia adamancy

Just VTC it

emanresu A

Flagged as rude or abusive

'cos it's a troll

Smokey probably caught it

in CGCC Mod Office, 57 secs ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body, repeating characters in title, repeating words in title (291): Cathy! Cathy! Cathy! Cathy! Cathy! Cathyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! ✏️‭ by Berodrito Pembrunk‭ on codegolf.SE (@hyper-neutrino @lyxal)

Zion mycelia adamancy

Smokey did catch it

→ 1 Cathy moved to Cathyyyy!

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thejonymyster

cool bot

emanresu A

Hasn't been nuked yet. Flag as rude or abusive, y'all. Should only need one or two more since it looks like smokey autoflagged it

Ginger

20:56

send it to the Shandow Realm!

thejonymyster

op actually has an account which is wild

Ginger

who are these people and what do they want

thejonymyster

they have one (not deleted) post

this question about plants vs zombies

(not on our site ofc)

what compels ppl to do this

emanresu A

Why are you guys all downvoting this? It does not have any curse words. — Berodrito Pembrunk 34 secs ago

5

LMAO

thejonymyster

holy fuck lol

Sandbox Posts

21:03

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Bloons TD 6 Upgrade Paths The monkeys need help organizing their defense and have asked you, Benjamin the code monkey, to create a program that will list all tower upgrade options. Each tower has three unique upgrade "paths", represented by three numbers between 0 and 5 inclusive, 0 meaning no up...

Ginger

rare photo of Ginger reading Berodrito Pembrunk's comment

Zion mycelia adamancy

@emanresuA They're not wrong :P

emanresu A

Actually, I think you'll find Cathy is a curse word in Vyxal.

Ginger

I don't know whether to have pity or just laugh

thejonymyster

you really have to assume its a troll and move on

nobody's that stupid i hope

Ginger

21:07

counter-proof: PHP

emanresu A

@Ginger They must be very sad... they still don't know what the CAAAATTHHHYYY does it do.

Ginger

I think it CATHYs

emanresu A

Time to create a joke lang called CATHY

thejonymyster

oml

Ginger

DO IT

thejonymyster

21:11

once again getting you two confused

can one of you like, rotate your avatar 90 degrees :P

Ginger

soitenly

hold please

Zion mycelia adamancy

Time for P
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thejonymyster

:Pride

the madlad actually did it

Ginger

okay, done

thejonymyster

thank u LOL

i only now realized the face on the cat in your pfp is the dissappointed face

Ginger

21:15

it is

there's a whole story behind that

thejonymyster

i see

Ginger

yup

@thejonymyster what, did you expect me not to?

emanresu A

@thejonymyster Disapproving

Ginger

never let it be said that I'm not an entity of my word

thejonymyster

never let be said

DLosc

21:28

@lyxal QBasic, 15 bytes: OPEN"grass"AS#1

emanresu A

Alright, here's CATHY

thejonymyster

goodness gracious

emanresu A

Compiles to a subset of Vyxal, here's a reverse compiler

thejonymyster

i love how changing any character makes it do something wildly different

Zion mycelia adamancy

@emanresuA I'm guessing some binary encoding of 32 Vyxal commands, based on capitalisation?

thejonymyster

21:31

like uppercasing the end Y is a quine i think :P

Zion mycelia adamancy

@thejonymyster It is a quine, yes

thejonymyster

ty it looked like it but i didnt wanna verify lol

fastest quine discovered in a lang without a builtin?

Zion mycelia adamancy

I suspect it's a false quine

thejonymyster

yea lol

Zion mycelia adamancy

It appears as tho the interpreter manipulates the program as input, so it reads itself

thejonymyster

21:35

drat

Zion mycelia adamancy

E.g. look what happens when you make the last H into h:

https://vyxal.pythonanywhere.com/#WyJEIiwiIiwiNeG6hzMyOsqBK2LGm+G4osKryb7igKLhuIvCqyRadsaSw5/ih6fiiJE7YDAxMjM0NTY3ODkrLS8q4oiRW3vGmzs6Xz9zSs+EbyTigJ7igJ8sQ86yYMS/4oiRxJYiLCIiLCJjYVRIWWNhdEh5Q2F0SFljYXRoWWNBdEh5Q0F0aHljYXRoWWNhdGh5Y2F0aFlDYVRIWWNhdGhZY2F0aHljQXRoeUNhVEhZY2F0aFljYXRoeWNBdGh5Q2FUSFljYXRoWWNhdGhZY2F0aFlDYVRIWWNhVGh5Y2FUaHlDYVRIWWNhdEhZY2F0SHlDYVRIWWNBdGh5Y2FUSFlDYVRIWWNhdGhZY2F0aFljYXRoWUNhVEhZY2F0aFljYXRoWWNhVGh5Q2FUSFljYXRoWWNhdGh5Y0F0aHlDYVRIWWNhdGhZY2F0aHljYXRoeUNhVEhZY2F0SFljYXRIWUNhVEhZQ0FUSHljQVRoeSJd

emanresu A

Yeah :P

@Zionmyceliaadamancy Yep. Nothing I can do about that

@Zionmyceliaadamancy Yes

Zion mycelia adamancy

@emanresuA Can Vyxal read from STDIN and CLA?

emanresu A

I'm not really sure how that works, but there's explicit STDIN somewhere

thejonymyster

@Bubbler wow, there are only these two: langford, skolem, and they appear to be basically the same question as eachother

Zion mycelia adamancy

21:37

In which case, CATHY can take input via that way

thejonymyster

thankfully not the same as my question so i'm gonna go ahead and start sandboxing my question (once i can find nontrivial cases)

sorry for the random reply i oinly just remembered that message lol

emanresu A

You can take input by providing it below the program

Zion mycelia adamancy

@emanresuA Yeah, but you can prevent it taking itself as input that way

emanresu A

If you provide more input it'll cycle to that first

Ginger

21:56

feeling cute today might use an indentation width of 2 in my programs

user

@Zionmyceliaadamancy Not command line args, no

emanresu A

CATHY has been created

user

@Ginger You say that as if there's something wrong with 2 spaces?

emanresu A

Yes. Use four like a reasonable person

user

@emanresuA You've created a monster

@emanresuA ???

Ginger

21:57

^^^

user

4 spaces pushes stuff off the screen if you're using a language with lots of nesting

I've been using 2 spaces for nearly all my Java, Scala, and Kotlin code for the past couple years and it's been great. With 4 spaces, I have to split up method calls onto new lines and stuff

Zion mycelia adamancy

@emanresuA Waiting on the "Interpret CATHY" challenge

Ginger

*starts typing*

user

I'm not saying 4 spaces is bad, just saying it's a matter of personal preference

The whole 2 spaces vs 4 spaces vs tabs debate is annoying

emanresu A

2 is reasonable in some cases

Zion mycelia adamancy

22:00

I believe CATHY is not TC, as you can solve the halting problem in it

user

Both 2 and 4 are reasonable in most (all?) cases

Steffan

it can take input from Vyxal's normal input: Try it Online!

just ftr

Zion mycelia adamancy

Still doesn't make it TC :P

The halting problem is if("[" in program) { false} else { true }

Hello, World!

0

A: "Hello, World!"

CATHY, 265 bytes caTHYcatHyCatHYcathYcAtHyCAthycathYcathycathYCaTHYcathYcathycAthyCaTHYcathYcathycAthyCaTHYcathYcathYcathYCaTHYcaThycaThyCaTHYcatHYcatHyCaTHYcAthycaTHYCaTHYcathYcathYcathYCaTHYcathYcathYcaThyCaTHYcathYcathycAthyCaTHYcathYcathycathyCaTHYcatHYcatHYCaTHYCATHycATHycAtHy Try it Online...

Ginger

sidestep the debate by not indenting anything at all!

thejonymyster

22:05

yea i thought we were golfers

who's indenting a one liner :P

user

True lol

emanresu A

@Zionmyceliaadamancy Yeah, but you ucan have something like I/D machine

Zion mycelia adamancy

@emanresuA Remind me what an I/D machine is?

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Pairs at every distance Given a list x of 2 or more integers, output whether there exists a pair of equal integers in x separated by exactly n elements for all n such that 0 =< n < length(x)-2. For example: [1, 1, 3, 2, 3, 1, 2, 1] will return truthy, because [1, x, x, x, x, x, x, 1] These 1s are...

Ginger

I want to make a fortune database of good quotes from this chatroom

emanresu A

22:10

\o/ 30k!

user

🎉

Ginger

yay

user

Someone downvote emanresu A to get their rep to 30k (well, emanresu will also have to downvote something to get it to exactly 30k)

Ginger

you do it

user

bet

thejonymyster

22:12

nice palindrome actually

emanresu A

I can handle this

Ginger

I don't gamble

thejonymyster

3 0s between 3s

theres gotta be an oeis for that actually lol elt me check

ah, close

emanresu A

There we go, 30k exactly

Ginger

ayy 30,000

I currently have 3,330

Steffan

22:23

Welp I have 5810. Not too interesting

8567 network-wide. Not too interesting either, other than it's 5678 shifted right

Ginger

huh

emanresu A

22:49

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A: 1, 2, Fizz, 4, Buzz

CATHY, 420 bytes cathYcathycathyCathYcatHYCAthycATHyCatHYCAtHycaThYCAthycATHyCatHYcaThYCAthyCaTHYCatHYcathYCAtHycAThycAThYcathYCAtHycAtHYCatHyCatHYCathYcaTHYcathyCATHycathYcathycaThYCATHycaTHycaTHyCATHycathYcathYcaTHYCATHycAtHycAtHycAtHycatHycAThycathYcatHycatHyCATHycatHycAThYcAtHycAThYcATHycAtHy...

Radvylf Programs

@Zionmyceliaadamancy I'll look into it

thejonymyster

cathy should have a sbcs

Radvylf Programs

Can we get an official pronounciation guide for the different Cathys

thejonymyster

cathy would be funny to RLE by case

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms Not sure why this is happening

Check if something like codegolf_review_close is logged

emanresu A

22:54

@RadvylfPrograms Put a lot of emphasis on the capital letters.

Radvylf Programs

How do I put more emphasis on the H in a tH lol

emanresu A

cath-hee?

Bubbler

catHy is certainly "cat-HI"

emanresu A

Although what about catHY?

Bubbler

it's an exercise for the reader

thejonymyster

22:58

guys have we figured out why programming is so s o so so so hard yet

or is that still unsolved

Zion mycelia adamancy

@thejonymyster faeries did it

emanresu A

23:14

Foodback?

Bubbler

23:42

challenge looks ok, though I don't see the connection with the xkcd

suggested title: ro1000an nu1000era50 en100o501ng

lyxal

@Zionmyceliaadamancy yes

Aiden Chow

@Bubbler did u look in the hovertext of the xkcd?

Steffan

My new language works!

@emanresuA foodback? why is someone making me hungry every time i go in here

looks fine to me, I already have a vyxal solution, iirc it was 11 bytes

actually 9 bytes

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