The Nineteenth Byte

user

00:00

I just installed Zsh and oh my god the autocompletion is so good

pxeger why didn't you tell us about this before?

Radvylf Programs

@user What's it like?

user

Radvylf Programs

Interesting

user

For one, you can choose with Tab if there are multiple options instead of having to type it out yourself

Radvylf Programs

Not really my sort of thing but seems neat

user

00:07

This isn't bundled with Zsh and could be done in Bash too, but it's a whole lot easier to set up (the git plugin was in the default zsh config file after I installed it)

It also highlights commands that don't exist in red

emanresu A

Noooo.... halfwit 2 fibonacci loses to Fig by 2 bits

lyxal

~~first world~~ 4th gen language problems

hyper-neutrino

how many generations are we on already

Radvylf Programs

3 or 4, depending on if you count the newer non-full-byte langs as 4th gen

Steffan

@Zionmyceliaadamancy Vyxal, 10 bytes

Or with JS checking by brute-force with random

the vyxal just does cartesian product and checks for ordered

lyxal

00:16

@thejonymyster I'll take one of those, but without the BLT

extra bread, no meat, no cheese

Steffan

stop making me hungry

but BLT is awesome

lyxal

the joke

emanresu A

@Steffan 9

Steffan

argh

Unrelated String

~~what does the capital of azerbaijan have to do with this~~

emanresu A

00:19

@UnrelatedString baku? How is that related

Unrelated String

the link lyxal posted

Steffan

@user I know I use OMZ too. It's awesome

emanresu A

@lyxal I'd like the non-vegan bread, please

Zion mycelia adamancy

@Steffan This doesn't check for "strictly ascending"

Steffan

oh strictly

one sec

12

Zion mycelia adamancy

00:30

Jelly can do it in 6 :P

Unrelated String

brute force or closed form

Zion mycelia adamancy

Closed form

Brute force is 8

Unrelated String

oh wait you posted the closed form formula in that spoiler link
i was about to write brute force then use it to check an attempt at deriving it :P

Zion mycelia adamancy

@UnrelatedString That was slightly off, it should be ((x + n - 1) choose n) / (x ** n)

Unrelated String

ah

Zion mycelia adamancy

00:36

@Zionmyceliaadamancy Wait, no, that's wrong :/

Goddamn, don't make me go find my derivation notes

Steffan

Here's the formula: (x-n+1)*(x-n+2)*(x-n+3)/6/x**n

I think

DLosc

@emanresuA Here you go

Unrelated String

@Zionmyceliaadamancy yeahhhhh

Steffan

I was looking at quora.com/… and there's a clear pattern

Zion mycelia adamancy

Yeah, there's a simple closed form using sums

Steffan

00:37

this uses sums

Zion mycelia adamancy

Basically, its the sum of the sum of ... the sum of the integers

Unrelated String

yeah

Steffan

yes

uses n(n+1)(n+2)/6

is what I sent correct?

Zion mycelia adamancy

Isn't that only for n = 3?

Steffan

It should be for all

Zion mycelia adamancy

00:38

Cause that's just nC3

Steffan

I guess not

wait it isn't just (n choose x) / x**n?

x choose n I mean

that gievs the same results as my vyxal code

Zion mycelia adamancy

That'd make sense, I'd have just got my offset wrong

Steffan

I've been testing the formula on wolframalpha and it works fine

So the Vyxal code is now 4 bytes: ₌ƈe/

Zion mycelia adamancy

3 bytes in Jelly

emanresu A

Damnit, dyadic chaining

Zion mycelia adamancy

00:47

c÷*

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01:00

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Draw the Progress Pride flag

Seggan

@emanresuA Fig pro

@user now i wanna install it

wait who was the person who decides what language generations are?

emanresu A

Joe.

Seggan

01:16

@emanresuA why dont you post it

emanresu A

Because I haven't implemented the interpreter yet

Radvylf Programs

@Seggan Fig Pro sounds like it'd be Fig, but you unlock the other 159 operators :p

For only $0.11/byte, try Fig Pro today!

9

Seggan

Limited time offer only: after 5log_256(96) days, it will be bumped up by 𝝿 cents per e bytes

emanresu A

4 hours ago, by emanresu A

10 hours ago, by emanresu A

Any feedback?

Seggan

01:37

nil

Steffan

01:49

fig.io is pretty cool but its only for macs atm. theyre working on win

Aiden Chow

how to do syntax highlighting on a code block again

Radvylf Programs

Depends on what type of code block

For code fencing, just do ```javascript or w/e. For indented code blocks you need a comment of some sort

Aiden Chow

the <-- --> thingy

dont exactly remember how to type it out

it was like <-- language = python --> or smth like that

Unrelated String

the html comment for the language?

Aiden Chow

@RadvylfPrograms ok that seems simpler lmao

Unrelated String

01:54

Aiden Chow

@UnrelatedString oh yep, thanks

Radvylf Programs

Personally I find SE's code highlighting hideous so I go out of my way to disable it lol

Unrelated String

lol

i like it

Steffan

02:06

that's strange, it looks just as good as any other syntax highlighting

people often forget to use it though

Radvylf Programs

Orange, black, and blue is not my idea of a pretty color scheme

Steffan

Fine to me lol

Unrelated String

it's a nice subtly orange and blue though

Radvylf Programs

For reference, this is what I customized T2xt to use:

Steffan

That looks ok too

But slightly strange

My favorite is VSCode's default Dark+

Unrelated String

02:08

^

Steffan

I'ev tried so many other themes

Unrelated String

the combination of the purple with the blues is slightly odd

Steffan

Everyone says Cobalt2 is awesome. I had it for a bit, but I switched back to Dark+

^

One Dark is also pretty

Radvylf Programs

@UnrelatedString In Dark+ or the one I'm using

Steffan

(Atom's default theme)

Unrelated String

02:10

in what you posted

i don't even know what dark+ looks like lmao

i have vscode but have only used it with the haskell plugins

and i'

Radvylf Programs

Looks pretty normal to me, but then again I have been staring at it for hours on end every day for months though lol

Unrelated String

m pretty neutral on the color scheme those are giving me

Steffan

I use vscode for everything lol

medium.com/quick-code/the-best-vs-code-themes-2022-9e9b648c4596

Those all look fine but I like Dark+ better

I haven't seen Github Theme, let me try it real quick. Github's color scheme is nice

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms GitHub's dark color scheme is what inspired this

Unrelated String

okay i just installed one dark pro in vscode and that's so much better

might help that i was just using atom prior to this :P

Steffan

02:12

Yeah the github theme looks fine, I wouldn't mind using it, but Dark+ is nicer

this is github theme

vs dark+

Yeah I'm not actually sure if I like One Dark or Dark+ better

lyxal

@Steffan oh wow that really does give Atom vibes

Steffan

I haven't used Atom in so long though that I forgot what it looks like

i guess yall heard they're sunsetting atom now

lyxal

Jun 9 at 1:17, by lyxal

Sorry to all you Atom users, but github is abandoning it at the end of this year

Radvylf Programs

Okay I made a userstyle that makes SE's code highlighting no longer hideous

Steffan

software.com/src/ranking-the-top-5-code-editors-2019

lyxal

02:23

@Steffan same. 2018-2020 lyxal mained Atom and used it for esolang development and school projects.

My Atom days were good days

Steffan

The fact that Notepad++ is still so popular hurts my head

lyxal

But then it just stopped opening forcing me to use another editor

Steffan

Years ago I used Brackets lol

I didn't know what good editors were

brackets.io

emanresu A

Why is Visual Studio popular? It's incredibly laggy, slow to install/startup/run, takes up a lot of space, and is pretty much a subset of vscode

Steffan

it's not a subset of vscode really

it's meant for stuff like C#

.NET

Radvylf Programs

02:25

Steffan

windows app development

C++ too

Unrelated String

i feel like the extent to which visual studio is popular is the extent to which it just happens to be microsoft's ide for le microsoft language

lyxal

Wow I haven't used Visual Studio since I last touched VB.Net

And it was on a Windows VM on a mac too

Unrelated String

like i don't think anyone likes xcode but if you're writing swift on a mac you're probably going to default to using xcode

lyxal

@UnrelatedString MrXcoder begs to differ :p

Steffan

02:27

probably just because of its integration with Swift

and if you're making an iOS app, you need it to run or build the app

lyxal

Plus it allows for testing without having to load to an actual device

Steffan

yes but you need Xcode to load it to an actual device too lol

Unrelated String

amazing

Steffan

you use an ios simulator

lyxal

@Steffan i know. I was saying in addition to loading on to an actual device

Man I haven't used xcode since 2018 when I made an ios app for an app making assignment. You could choose between app inventor for Android or making an app from scratch with xcode for ios. So while 99% of the class was drag and dropping in app inventor, I was Swifting my way through horrible constraint layouts

Unrelated String

02:36

lmao

lyxal

I would have also chosen App inventor but the layout designer was just too restrictive

So instead I butchered relative measurements and so on to make something that only look good on the iPhone X

Unrelated String

pog

lyxal

What are they called in ios? I know Android calls them constraints but I forget what Apple calls them

Radvylf Programs

iLimitations Pro

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

code-golfmatharithmeticnumber Implement Binary Exponentiation Background In programming, there is a recursive algorithm called binary exponentiation, which allows for large integer powers to be calculated in a faster way. Given a non-zero base \$x\$ and a non-negative exponent \$n\$, the algorith...

lyxal

02:47

Huh, apple calls them constraints too

Good to know there's some uniformity in the world of app design :p

@RadvylfPrograms Ah yes let me add some iLimitations Pros to my view to really make sure things scale well on different screen sizes :p

Radvylf Programs

They're only $1000 each, too

lyxal

Can't believe I have to pay to develop an app :p

Man UIKit is much more expensive than I remember it being :p

Radvylf Programs

@lyxal Can't believe I have to pay to keep my monitor off the floor :p

The fact that there's a monthly financing plan for a monitor stand continues to be hilarious to me even though that was like years ago

Steffan

03:02

@lyxal You do for Google Play too, but it's way less

just to prevent spam

@RadvylfPrograms And you have to pay $1000 too

DLosc

@Mayube Out of curiosity, which 4X games do you like?

@UnrelatedString I worked hard to memorize this syntax, lol

Like, why is it "language" at first but then "lang" in the second part? Why not 

Or better yet, just 

Steffan

(talking about the apple monitor stand) it's supposedly so if you have the old monitor model, then you can pay less to get the new model and keep your current stand

Radvylf Programs

Any feedback on Compress Jelly's code page?

DLosc

03:18

Unfortunately, my only feedback is "I don't find the challenge interesting."

Unrelated String

it has some patterns what with the superscripts, dotted letter series, etc.

but yeah there's not a ton to it

lyxal

Plus jelly would be the obvious winner

A more interesting challenge could be to compress the code page of the language being used and have a CW answer for trivial "just use a built-in constant" answers

des54321

03:44

@lyxal that would end up with a lot of "print all of unicode in as few bytes as possible" too

emanresu A

04:10

@lyxal yuno, 2 bytes :P

(IIRC hyper added that)

CMQ: edit-distance? (it has one question and can be removed with a simple edit)

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Q: Flood fill by distance

Say I have a grid with some obstacles: ---- | X | | | |XX | | | ---- I can fill this with numbers, as distance from the top left corner. But, because there are obstacles in the way some cells will take further to reach than a straight line: ---- |01X5| |1234| |XX45| |7656| ---- Thi...

PyGamer0

04:26

@user i tried omz before yeah the completion was amazing

i use just zsh now

PyGamer0

05:19

i updated my codepage

CMP: Codepage feedback? ^

emanresu A

Imagine having a normal codepage

My codepage is a binary tree

PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms @DLosc ^^^

thejonymyster

@PyGamer0 curious, what made you go for !@#... before 123...

actually, i just noticed it doesnt match the keyboard order :P

emanresu A

???

PyGamer0

@thejonymyster thats just ascii

thejonymyster

05:22

(not mine at least)

emanresu A

That's regular ASCII

thejonymyster

huh, ok

right

didnt recognize it :P

thats as good a reason as any XD

emanresu A

in Vyxal, 2 mins ago, by emanresu A

I'm an idiot

lyxal

in Vyxal, 2 mins ago, by lyxal

@emanresuA no, you're emanresuA

thejonymyster

@PyGamer0 you should switch lessthanorequalto and greaterthanorequalto, so that <=> and their opposites are the same distance apart :P

PyGamer0

05:24

no P:

thejonymyster

P: war :P

i do like that your codepage is monospace adherent

lyxal

@thejonymyster haha jokes on you that's just the font

PyGamer0

lol get rekt

lyxal

the last two rows contain decidedly non monospace chars

an idiot

As y'all can see, I'm an idiot

5

PyGamer0

05:26

@lyxal correction: just the last row

lyxal

@PyGamer0 floor and ceiling aren't monospace

PyGamer0

oh sad :(

lyxal

they're ever so slightly less than monospace

thejonymyster

well the point is a font exists

lyxal

and that SE doesn't use it :p

PyGamer0

05:27

@thejonymyster Iosevka Term go brrrr

pxeger

06:51

@PyGamer0 what are 1A and 1B?

1A especially looks indistinguishable from Greek ε

@user Ooh, I've not seen that feature before. How do I enable it?

emanresu A

07:06

Tab?

Unrelated String

@pxeger might be ipa ɛɜ, "open e" (i.e. latin epsilon) and reversed "open e"

if they weren't next to each other i'd think 1b was cyrillic з :P

PyGamer0

07:37

@pxeger oops

> Your GitHub Copilot setup is incomplete. Got to settings and finish setting up

wow engrish

anyways i think i got copilot

@pxeger ok imade it better

x|0123456789ABCDEF
------------------
0|₀₁₂₃₄₅₆₇₈₉¶«»≡≢°
1|⁰¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⌿⍀≤≠≥¯
2| !"#$%&'()*+,-./
3|0123456789:;<=>?
4|@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO
5|PQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_
6|`abcdefghijklmno
7|pqrstuvwxyz{|}~˙
8|ȦḂĊḊĖḞĠḢİĿṀṄȮṖṘṠ
9|ṪẆẊẎŻȧḃċḋėḟġḣŀṁṅ
A|ȯṗṙṡṫẇẋẏż→←↑↓∥∦¬
B|´˝˘¨˜⁼⌜√∑∏×∝±∀∃÷
C|∘○⟜⊸∊∴∵∂⊂⊃⊆⊇⊏⊐⊑⊒
D|αβγδεζηθικλμνξπρ
E|ςστυφχψωΩ⌈⌊⌉⌋ØÆæ
F|⊢⊣⊤⊥⋀⋁⋂⋃⌽⊖⍉⍋⍒∞Œœ


NOTES:
- ¶ is a newline

@pxeger i think its github.com/zsh-users/zsh-autosuggestions

emanresu A

@PyGamer0 ⋀⋁⋂⋃ are decidedly nonmonospace

Use ∧∨∪∩ instead

PyGamer0

@emanresuA done

emanresu A

Also ⟜⊸ and ⍋⍒ I think, I don't have good suggestions for those

PyGamer0

yea they are non monospace

emanresu A

ꘜ is annoyingly nonmonospace

Wait no ⊢⊣⊤⊥ are nonmonospace, ⍋⍒ actually are

PyGamer0

07:53

@emanresuA oh

DialFrost

Hai :>

emanresu A

H⃧e⃧l⃧l⃧o⃧!⃧

lyxal

Yes

emanresu A

@lyxal Yes or yes?

lyxal

Yes

emanresu A

08:04

Yes.

graffe

10:59

Fully solved my audio delay problem

Thanks to anyone who suggested vlc

mousetail

11:41

I want to post a KOTH challenge. Basically, there is a 15 by 15 grid with one bot starting with one tile in every corner. Each turn, each tile can wait to grow by 1, split in to if it has a size of at least 2, or move. Player who controls the most tiles when the board is filled up wins.

Has this been done before? Does it sound interesting? Last time I posted on sandbox I got no replies so

Ginger

hmmm

this looks very interesting

lyxal

12:33

CMC: touch grass (that is, create a new file called grass programmatically)

mathcat

Python, 17 bytes: open("grass","w")

I finally got the courage to touch grass!

Ginger

Trequel, 44 bytes: USE FILE;CREATE OF FILE WHERE NAME IS GRASS;

Bubbler

13:01

@Neil Surely not, O(n) and O(2n) are the same because 2n is higher than n by the constant factor of 2. The ratio between e^n and 2^n is (e/2)^n as I already said, which does grow exponentially in terms of n, so they are different.

pxeger

@lyxal zsh, 11 bytes: touch grass

(actually, 6 bytes: >grass)

PyGamer0

13:41

in flax, 12 secs ago, by PyGamer0

Feeback for elements?

just the monads and single byte nilads only

i will add the dyads tomorrow

and then the diagraphs

Ginger

13:55

lgtm

lyxal

lgtm stands for looks gaming to me and you can't convince me otherwise

Ginger

let's get that monkey

lyxal

let's go to move any more acronyms to another chat room :p

pxeger

14:15

→ 19 messages moved to room 101

Ginger

14:56

well that was certainly a distraction

now back to what I was doing

user

@O'Brien It looks like zsh-users/zsh-autosuggestions is what enabled it

Wait what

Ginger

long story

and tbh not a very good one

lyxal

What do you mean?

user

O'Brien

lyxal

@Ginger It's literally George Orwell's 1984

Ginger

14:58

I know that

but that was a disappointing rp

user

@lyxal Oh lol

Ginger

the book is good, the joke was poorly executed

user

That's what the room 101 was about

lyxal

Well what do you expect from someone who's never read the book?

Ginger

eh

user

15:00

Ah, O'Brien's the guy brainwashing Winston

O'Brien

15:20

@Ginger I've read it, but I don't think I remembered it perfectly.

Oh, I'm still in character

Hello

user

Welcome back

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15:34

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Photosynthesis king-of-the-hill python Flavor text You, a algae spore, have recently evolved the ability to walk. However, 3 others have just done the same thing. Can you use this new ability to your advantage and conquer the Petri dish? Game rules The game is played on a 15 by 15 grid with one b...

Zion mycelia adamancy

@RadvylfPrograms My copy of GRT no longer closes tabs after a certain while, so I end up with a bunch of already completed review tasks waiting, any idea why that might be happening?

user

16:07

pxeger

why?

Adám

@user what's the recursion limit?

pxeger

Depends on how much memory you have, I'd guess

Adám

I suppose the performance will gradually decrease too.

PyGamer0

@user a vm inside a vm inside a real os?

pxeger

16:33

@PyGamer0 judging by the default config state and resolution of the outer one, I think it might be a vm inside a vm inside a vm

user

@Adám Probably limited only by your hardware

Got it from here

pxeger

Any final feedback? (test-case suggestions?, better title ideas?)

graffe

Puzzle. Two players and a square. Each player in turn has to try to put a unit radius circle into the square without overlapping any of the previous circles. Does the first player always win if they play perfectly?

thejonymyster

16:49

@graffe how big is the square

graffe

@thejonymyster it can be any size . The strategy depends on the size of the square

Clearly if the square has side length 1 the first player wins

I mean side length 2

thejonymyster

@pxeger multiple single letter words in a row?

pxeger

in Attempt This Online, 18 secs ago, by pxeger

v0.1.16 released!

graffe

17:07

what is the size of the smallest square that can fit two non-overlapping unit radius circles?

thejonymyster

i should know this but its escaping me

pxeger

2+2√2, I think

graffe

ah that makes sense!

thanks

pxeger

@pxeger that's the diagonal size, not the side length, sorry

thejonymyster

oh thats wayyyy better than how i was going about it

graffe

17:11

@pxeger perfact!

thejonymyster

i was trying to ger the distance to the corner from the edge of the circle :P

graffe

I guess three circles is too hard?

pxeger

@pxeger for two circles the side length is 6+4√2

graffe

oh wow

how did you do that?

pxeger

@pxeger no hang on that can't be right

thejonymyster

17:14

@pxeger for 3 circles?

how would the side length be longer than the diagonal :P

pxeger

@pxeger it's the square root of this

graffe

@thejonymyster it's a square

pxeger

approximately 3.414

thejonymyster

@graffe squares, whose side length to diagonal length ratio is 1:root(2)

graffe

yes

thejonymyster

17:16

do you mean to tell me 1 > root(2)

anyway just divide the diagonal by root(2) to get the sidelength

not sure what you were doing :P

pxeger

I was doing mental pythagoras on 4 hours of sleep ;)

graffe

:)

des54321

17:35

canvas room got frozen

user

17:50

CMC: Guess the OS (as specific as possible) given this screenshot of the desktop:

thejonymyster

windows xp

user

Hint: The creature should be a big hint as to the version of the OS

pxeger

Lubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish)

user

Almost there!

pxeger

(how specific do you want it??)

user

17:57

Bigger hint

pxeger

I don't see what more detail you can want from me

user

@pxeger Lubuntu 22 was all I was expecting, it was just meant to be a joke because the "real" OS isn't Lubuntu

thejonymyster

jellyos the operating system programmed in jelly

pxeger

@user what was your intended solution to codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/229970?

user

I don't remember, I'll have to dig around in my bookmarks

@pxeger Found it

pxeger

18:11

What does the ()# syntax do?

user

{type > = String} defines a structural type inline with a single type member > that's an alias for String. I think the parentheses are needed to help out the parser. The Foo#Bar is for types what foo.baris for objects, so the # > part just accesses that > type member

pxeger

oh

user

I did not expect anyone to dig up that question after all this time lol, it's embarrassing

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