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12:06 AM
wake up babe new trequel syntactic construct just dropped
(ALL/ANY/NO) <name> OF <expression> SATISFIES <predicate>
 
@Ginger is that an expression that evaluates to either true or false? :3c
 
it's a way to check if any, all, or none of the items in an iterable return true when passed to a function
 
1:00 AM
Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Play a Dumb Coin-flip Game
 
1:43 AM
bad challenge idea: longest halting program such that no program of the same length has the same output :)
(within the language, of course)
 
Simply print a huge int, optimally compressde
 
yeah its a slightly bit too cheesable :P
 
2:44 AM
might be a fun CnR in there though
 
 
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3:47 AM
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Q: The 4th Derivative

Anik PatelThis one is pretty hard. Definition The 4th derivative of a function f(x) is the derivative taken of this function 4 times at a given point, let's call it x0. This problem is super simple for 1st derivatives since you can just use the limit definition of the derivative and a tiny value for h. It ...

 
@NewPosts I'm debating VTCing this or answering it in Vyxal
 
att
answer it in mathematica
#''''&
 
Can't do it in the current Vyxal due to ACE vulnerabilities in Sympy.
 
4:09 AM
definitely vtc it either way considering y'know
no scoring criterion
among other issues
 
> Winner will be determined by the most accuracy and least time.
Although that's unclear as well
 
4:28 AM
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emanresu AIteratively delete a list Say I have a ragged list, like: [ [1, 2], [3, [4, 5] ] ] And I want to iterate over each item and delete it one-by-one. However, I don't know the structure of the list. So, I have to iterate over the list, with the following algorithm: Look at the first item...

 
...good question
 
Is this the same person who's been copy-pasting stuff from the faq?
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Q: Print a smiley face

ShoeRequirements For the sake of the challenge let's define a unit: A unit is defined as any point that compose the grid in which the face is drawn (pixels for screen, characters for ASCII art, etc..). The minimal requirements for the face are: A smiley face is composed of a shape that r...

I feel like this is nowhere near on-topic anymore
Also, this is kinda sus - it's not at all clear about encodings.
 
the idea is that you just print the byte 00000001 as a character. It doesn't matter about the encoding
really, it's a dupe of HW
 
except the op doesn't seem to have ever actually realized that the smiley isn't ascii
there's two competing and incompatible ways to read the spec
 
4:42 AM
The +. in bf suggests that it's output the byte 1
> We assume your console can actually display that character (or your font has it, etc.).
I read that as assuming the console uses an encoding that renders the byte as a smile
Honestly I'd be for VTCing it as dupe of HW
@emanresuA and this as unclear/needing more details
 
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cjquinesIs it a heapable sequence? code-golf decision-problem data-structures We say a sequence of integers is heapable if there exists a binary max heap, whose nodes are the sequence's elements, such that if \$p\$ is the parent of \$n\$, then the sequence has \$p\$ before \$n\$. Alternatively, a sequenc...

 
5:10 AM
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cjquinesGive f and g that sometimes commute code-golf open-ended-function Write two functions \$f\$ and \$g\$ over the integers, such that: \$f(g(a)) = g(f(a))\$, for infinitely many integers \$a\$, and \$f(g(b)) \ne g(f(b))\$, for infinitely many integers \$b\$. Rules Interpret "function" in the math...

 
5:45 AM
@lyxal Actually yeah :P
Maybe VTC people?
 
If anything it's a dupe of hello world
 
It's stupid, but the task is to output a \1 bye, which is perfectly clear
 
Except half the answers interpret it as that, half interpret it as unicode, and one interprets it as CP437
 
Well answers can be in any encoding, right?
so there's nothing wrong with that
 
6:00 AM
@pxeger flax C: }
 
@pxeger that's not the point. The point is that some are straight up printing the emoji 🙂
While others are printing \1
 
I can't see any answer printing that emoji
 
@lyxal you mean ☺, right?
 
and if there were, how is that a problem with the question? It just means the answer is invalid
 
The question hasn't clearly defined what is
@pxeger If 13 of a question's answers are invalid something's gone wron
 
6:05 AM
Which answers are invalid?
 
By your definition, all the ones that are print("☺") or similar
(unless they're encoded in CP437, but none of them state that)
 
the question says to output smiley face (ASCII 1) which is neither clear enough nor even valid cuz ASCII 1 is not smiley face as the old comment points out
 
ok, so this was wrong, but the task is "write a program that [...] displays ☺"
 
 
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9:17 AM
@DLosc ah okay, a corner-rotation
420 seems logical
I'll try to create a program that goes through all 8! cases
 
 
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11:21 AM
so apparently dirac has manual memory management...
10 M< # I> M>
how many esolangs have that?
 
12:18 PM
Gotta love accidental email notifications to 400k people
 
I've seen a video about that one
Rohith the legend
Were there any server problems?
 
Probably not
 
@mathcat well I still think it's 840
 
but 420 is funny
idk really I'm not good at equivalence classes and other geometry stuff
 
I reckon you start with 8!, then each corner is indistinguishable, plus each corner has 3 neighbours which could be in any of 6 permutations without altering the adjacencies, but then the remaining corners are determined by their known adjacencies, so the result is 40320/8/6=840
 
12:28 PM
ooh that's a nice way to solve the problem
 
 
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4:48 PM
ive got a new language ill reveal at LDW 👀
 
5:24 PM
its called Feg
 
5:42 PM
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Wheat WizardUnicode Clock Plot contrivance You wake up to find that something has gone horribly wrong! Your time machine has horribly malfunctioned and now you are lost sometime between now and October 1991. You check the computer that you keep on the desk to see what time it is but alas the positron interf...

 
6:06 PM
graetings users
I require advices
After much backing up, I have finally reflashed my Raspberry Pi webserver to, among other things, no longer have a desktop.
I need suggestions for some software I can use to monitor my various bots to make sure they don't suddenly die
I'd like it to have a web interface if possible
 
Not sure about the web interface, but usually for bots I need to stay running, I use a systemd thingy that auto-restarts it if it dies
I'd bet there's already a project for web-based monitoring of systemd stuff, actually...
 
figured you'd suggest that
lemme check teh googlez
let's try it out
> After this operation, 118 MB of additional disk space will be used.
._.
well, got plenty to spare q:
jesus how long does it take to Setting up exim4-daemon-light (4.94.2-7) ...
it's been doing it for like 5m
time has passed
turned it off and on again
 
6:31 PM
@Ginger i nearly read this as the halting problem
i.e. "check if a bot will die"
 
I doubt that.
In fact I know what you are talking about without even clicking the link.
 
well what am I talking about?
 
6:48 PM
todays underappreciated xkcd: 915
 
7:00 PM
problem: I can ssh into the server with IP but not with hostname
 
7:44 PM
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I dunno about you but something about that seems a bit off to me
 
damn man ya last updated in 1886?
 
and only 30 packages have changed since then :b
 
@des54321 lol "this challenge has cheese... which can be a job for the robbers, of course!"
@des54321 i think about that one every time i check in on this channel
 
8:43 PM
@Ginger Wait you can SSH with hostnames?
 
@RadvylfPrograms ...yes
 
So just like...ssh username@hostname?
 
regardless I fixed it by adding .local to the end of the hostname
@RadvylfPrograms yup! although you may have to do ^
 
I don't think that works
radvylf@penguin:~$ ssh rust_wolf@rustwolf
ssh: Could not resolve hostname rustwolf: Name or service not known
radvylf@penguin:~$ ssh rust_wolf@rustwolf.local
ssh: Could not resolve hostname rustwolf.local: Name or service not known
 
do you have avahi or something similar on the target?
 
8:46 PM
No clue what that is
 
something something mDNS
it tells your router that your computer goes by its hostname I think
 
9:00 PM
have any of yall been having trouble logging in your bots?
oh
oh dear
@RadvylfPrograms have you changed OLIMAR's password?
I can't log in...
 
I haven't done anything with OLIMAR no
You're prolly just getting CAPTCHA'd
 
no, it says my password is wrong
 
I'm going to try a reset
@RadvylfPrograms reset sent
 
Should I forward it to an email address of yours?
 
9:07 PM
no, I don't want you to know my email
 
Well then how are you supposed to reset the password lol
 
reset it to something, tell me that, I'll sign in and change it to what it was
 
How will I tell you the password
 
good question
you'd have to encrypt it somehow
 
I'd advise you to make an email account you can actually share the address to, since that rather defeats the purpose of email otherwise
 
9:09 PM
hm
well, I would give you my email but I can't for personal reasons
although...
I have just had a ridiculous idea
you could send it to my Wii
 
@Ginger That's why I'm saying you should make another that doesn't presumably contain your actual name
 
again, can't because personal reasons
I don't like it either
 
You have the most bizarre tech problems lol
 
not sure what you expected q:
 
Does lambda.chat have private rooms?
 
9:11 PM
yes, in fact
 
Just make one of those
 
okie dokie
brb, I'll do it in a minute
 
9:32 PM
@RadvylfPrograms it seems that I have screwed up and managed to break private rooms
so that plan is a no-go
we can try the Wii plan :P
 
Can't you use Discord or something?
 
nope
 
Okay, how about you create an organization, invite Radvylf to it, and then Radvylf makes a private repo in that org containing your password?
 
Ooh ooh we can use elliptic curve diffie-hellman
 
Is that some asymmetric cipher?
 
9:36 PM
wot
 
It's a key exchange protocol
 
Oh
 
alright
 
You're making this far too complicated
 
9:37 PM
of course we are!
what did you expect, something reasonable?
 
Oh I'm not complaining, this is amusing
tbh exchanging keys isn't even that crazy
 
Okay, generate a public point
 
got it
 
Then post them here
 
1149687527004518292864876150545451481178993425622
147498581110878346943015578170600961420288702538
 
9:40 PM
Wait no this isn't what we want I don't think
 
._.
 
Do you own a domain?
 
nope
again, we can just use my wii
 
Can you just make some random page on lambda really quickly that accepts a GET request and logs the IP and data, this is getting annoying
 
or we can do my suggestion, which just involves you emailing me the password
 
9:41 PM
@Ginger now we can snoop
 
@Ginger Okay, let's do that
 
got it
you'll be receiving an email shortly
reply to that FIRST and then send the password to the same address
 
I'll send you the password reset link
 
hm
sent it to rad@radvylf.com
@RadvylfPrograms ^
 
9:47 PM
okie
 
You can use RSA right?
 
Ginger posts their public key here, you encode the password, Ginger decodes it
 
(Or elliptic curve nowadays)
 
@RadvylfPrograms Wait why isn't that what you want then?
 
9:48 PM
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not-a-featureCompute the cophenetic correlation coefficient Meta question at the end. Background The cophenetic correlation coefficient is used in bioinformatic to measure how close the distances of a tree are to the distances of the original distance matrix. It is defined as follows: \${\displaystyle c={\fra...

 
@user I think that site requires knowing private data from both sides which obviously isn't super useful
 
@RadvylfPrograms It doesn't seem to have confirmed your registration
 
Ugh
I have a solution, just a sec
 
ok
didja reply to the registration email?
 
9:59 PM
hmmmmmmmmm
perhaps rc24 is just slow
I'll try again in a few minutes
@RadvylfPrograms what's your alternate solution?
 
I'm making my own simple online tool for ECDSA
 
oh my god of course you are
I'm not even surprised anymore
 
Oops no ECDSA is the signing one
 
@Ginger you can see private rooms on lambda.chat, right?
 
Yeah no this is too time consuming
 
10:08 PM
as I thought
 
I'd have to do ECDH for the key agreement then use a symmetric cipher which will take a bunch of annoying crypto.subtle stuff
 
I can use OpenSSL to generate a keypair ig
 
Can you just use something like 10minutemail please
 
never heard of it
 
What should've been "hey radvylf this is my email address" "okay it's in your inbox" has dragged on for an hour
 
10:11 PM
ok, using 10minutemail now
@RadvylfPrograms jvidkzonmsrdivrjfd@kvhrr.com
 
Forwarded
 
invalid recovery link
sending another...
sent
 
Are you sure there's anything wrong in the first place...passwords don't magically change
 
hmm
oh my fucking god
you're right
I was trying to sign in to OLIMAR's account with GingerBot's password
I'm so sorry
for wasting your time
 
OlimingerBotAR
 
10:16 PM
thanks, I hate it
 
CMP: Feg or Fig for my new programming language?
 
Fig
 
I have no fegging idea what it's about, so I can't say
You need to tell us more about it first
 
10:18 PM
Yeah "feg" just sounds vaguely like one or two words you probably don't want to name your language after
 
@user functional fractional byte golflang
ima reveal it on LDW
 
Ooh neat
 
just to be sure, we are allowed to have 1 char = 97/255 bytes, right?
 
sorta
It's actually log_256(97)
 
Yeah. It's actually a relatively recent rule change, prior to that you had to pad to full bytes in most cases.
 
10:33 PM
@emanresuA it is?
i have a 97 byte codepage
 
Yeah, it doesn't work like that. E.g., a half-byte codepage is 16 operators, not 128
 
oops i meant 97 char codepage
 
A 97-char codepage is about 0.825 bytes per character
 
ah because it takes 7 bits?
 
Well, slightly less than 7
It's an irrational number
 
10:38 PM
howd you calc it
 
log(97) / log(256), which is equivalent to the base-256 log of 97
 
ah
 
Introducing my new, transcendental tauth generation golflang. It's transcendental because every character is pi bytes :P
 
@RadvylfPrograms hmm but if we have irrational scores how much do we round?
 
You don't round
 
10:46 PM
i.e. is hello world 1.65 bytes or 1.649978 bytes
 
You don't
 
hmm so hello world is 2log_256(97) bytes :P
 
Just say it's "approx. 1.65 bytes" and clarify below, or use mathjax
 
11:00 PM
ayy OLIMAR is back!
 
11:12 PM
for a teaser, fibbonacci would be smth like G`0 1)'+
approx 6.6 bytes
actually Gr2'+ works as well
 
I have had a vague idea for a lang I might try to make at some point bouncing around in my head recently
 
oops i forgot r is a digraph char
make that GR2'+
 
I doubt I'll work on it on the upcoming LDW but i might give it a try on the one after that
 

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