The Nineteenth Byte

Number Basher

00:31

i think

12

will end in 16-16-16

who are the mods and room mods and staffs

and what are staffs?

hmm

hyper-neutrino

mods are people with blue diamonds like me

room owners are people with italicized names like radvylf

staff are actual stack exchange employees like Catija

Number Basher

stack exchange employees: how

+ is there a list for mods+stuff?

thnx

@hyper-neutrino

OldSandboxPosts

01:00

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Modular tetration, King of the Hill: Greed Control

Number Basher

01:12

@OldSandboxPosts hello

@OldSandboxPosts bye

ATaco

OSPs is a Bot, if it wasn't obvious.

Number Basher

@ATaco I know

@OldSandboxPosts hello

@OldSandboxPosts bye

@ATaco I have noone to talk to but

@ATaco so

hyper-neutrino

then just don't talk; please don't flood the room with meaningless noise

Number Basher

OK

stack exchange employees: how
+ is there a list for mods+stuff?
thnx

+ is there a place like codegolf but with math?

what's a chat ban by the way and how do you get it (no I don't want to get it

@hyper-neutrino

hyper-neutrino

@NumberBasher you can find a list of SE sites here. You're looking for math.stackexchange.com, probably

@NumberBasher not that I know of

@NumberBasher there are two types of "ban"s - chat suspensions disable your chat account entirely; if your parent account on the main site is suspended, you automatically get chat suspended for the same duration, and you can also be suspended by mods separately in chat

you can also get kickmuted from chat, which prevents you from rejoining the room for 1 minute initially, then 5 if you get KM'd again, then 30 the third time, which also raises a moderator flag automatically

ATaco

01:29

Math.SE is a great community, but they're level of math is higher than my level of math and it intimidates me.

hyper-neutrino

my experience with math.SE is primarily from following flags into their chatrooms so I would be a poor judge of their community :P

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Q: Find the Lowest Allowable Integer Which is an Optimal Even-Harmonic of the Values in a List

PROBLEM For a list of numbers, list: Find the lowest possible integer, x, which is optimally close to the whole number even-harmonics of the values in list, but farthest from the whole number odd harmonics. list has a length of n, and all of the values in list are <= 2000. x has a maximum preci...

code-golf math number-theory

ATaco

I do remember that one time PPCG joined in on a question to provide a bunch of neat visualizations.

lyxal

You know what's fun? When a uni workshop tutorial gives you outdated gradle instructions

they said "add compile group: 'org.apache.struts', name: 'struts2-core', version: '2.5.25' to your gradle.build file"

but what they didn't say is that the way they've given is depreciated and removed

ATaco

I am offended by any and all build-level instructions.

Entirely because StackOverflow is filled with C# solutions that assume you use Visual Studio

Number Basher

01:38

@hyper-neutrino OH OK

I was asking for a place you ask questions to challenge not because you don't know

ATaco

I guess puzzling.se

Most Stack Exchange Communities are designed for sharing of information, very few are challenges to be solved.

PPCG and Puzzling are the exception, rather than the rule.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

PCCG Quine Your task is to create a program which prints the source code of your answer on this site, for example this answer: Random Language, 8 bytes SomeCode would print this: # Random Language, 8 bytes SomeCode Rules Standard loopholes are disallowed The title must be a heading The...

lyxal

man it's been a while since I worked with anything JetBrains/IntelliJ related

the last time I touched a product of theirs was like 3 years ago when I was working with Android Studio lol

Number Basher

@ATaco i know PPCG and Puzzling are the exception, rather than the rule. and I know puzzling, I guess there isn't a math one after all.

@hyper-neutrino a flag makes a ban or what

ATaco

I think it can result in suspension? Which is a temporary ban?

Number Basher

01:51

yah like

a flag makes a temp ban?

hyper-neutrino

if your message is deleted by red flags then you are automatically suspended for 30 minutes

or if you are already suspended your suspension is increased by 30 minutes

Number Basher

oh ok thnx

ATaco

Just follow Chatiquette to the best of your ability and it should be smooth sailing

Number Basher

kickmuted from chat, which prevents you from rejoining the room for 1 minute initially,: how

hyper-neutrino

what do you mean by how

ATaco

02:03

It's been many years since I joined TNB, But I'm pretty sure I've had atleast one administrative action against me

hyper-neutrino

if you want I can check for you

Number Basher

@hyper-neutrino who can do that

mod?

hyper-neutrino

yes

and room owners

Number Basher

oh ok

you can add as room owner?

hmm ok

if you want I can check for you : how

hyper-neutrino

on a user's profile page under moderation tools there's a "permissions" link and when I click on it I can see things like if they've ever been banned from creating rooms, if they've been kicked, etc.

lyxal

02:06

@hyper-neutrino I'd be interested in that

hyper-neutrino

you've been kicked 5 times, all of which were in testing rooms :P

ATaco

I too wish to know how many admin actions have been taken on me

hyper-neutrino

you've been kicked 4 times from TNB, by elendia, feeds, dennis, and feeds

... I want to assume feeds is mego but I'm not sure actually

ATaco

Prolly Mego.

I think I remember a Dennis kick

2016/2017 was a different time

I also think I actually asked for atleast one of those

hyper-neutrino

i was kicked twice in 2017 as well although i have a feeling the first one was a test since I was kicked only a few days later twice from a testing room

and the first kick was by the mod who was overseeing the test

emanresu A

02:10

@hyper-neutrino I've only been kicked for science IIRC - can you check?

hyper-neutrino

let's take this to the mod office just to avoid too much clutter :P

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Number Basher

02:24

@ATaco what is a mego

ATaco

Mego was(?) a very active member of PPCG and TNB. They were The Prime Penguin™

Number Basher

oh ok

ATaco

I believe they were a Room Owner for a while alongside Dennis

lyxal

Unfortunately, they've cut all ties with Code Golf

Radvylf Programs

During The Incident, yeah

Number Basher

02:27

@RadvylfPrograms which

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Radvylf Programs

@lyxal Idk (personally) if we should share that screenshot, it was clearly during a time of a lot of stress for everyone and I wouldn't want something like that to be how I was remembered

lyxal

It was in a publicly accesible discord server

imo it's fair game

Radvylf Programs

Fair enough

ATaco

I think I dodged The Incident, and I don't think that was a bad thing.

Number Basher

erm

what is the incident

lyxal

02:29

@RadvylfPrograms it was from a conversation on the Code Golf discord - anyone could fine it if they searched for Mego there

Radvylf Programs

Basically, a moderator got accused of some stuff by SE due to a misunderstanding, SE refused to apologize, and a large number of SE's moderators and users either left or lost their trust in the company

Number Basher

what is the incident??? whhere can i find it// other history of cgse

Radvylf Programs

@lyxal I know, but if people don't know to search for it they probably won't :p

Number Basher

@RadvylfPrograms oh ok

ATaco

Riiiiight, I remember the starts of that

Number Basher

02:30

@RadvylfPrograms when?

Radvylf Programs

Early 2020, I think

ATaco

My sense of time is scuffed

Radvylf Programs

Anything within three years of 2020 is scuffed lol

Feb 28, 2021 at 1:17, by caird coinheringaahing

idk the physics behind it, but time has been on some hardcore drugs for the past 18 months

ATaco

Only important date I hold onto in that timeframe is my wedding day

Number Basher

did you sort of reveal your age

;-)

Radvylf Programs

02:35

I mean, within like 20 years of precision

But most people here would tell you their age if you asked lol (I'm 16, most of the regulars here are 19, etc.)

lyxal

I'm 3

Times 6

Plus 1

Number Basher

ATaco

Definitely wouldn't be too hard to find my age by just searching around hard enough

Also, Number Basher, you posted your age publicly elsewhere

Number Basher

I sort of think Math is learnable without knowing language

@ATaco ah where remind me

probably out of date

i'm 13 now

ATaco

In a Sandbox post you made

Number Basher

02:37

any doubt what that pic is talking about?

@ATaco where

hmm

link?

I'm not sure if I linked to this website

ATaco

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

King of the Hill: Greed Control What is Greed Control Greed control is a multiplayer round-based game in which in every round, a player bet a number inside a specific range, say 1~100. Say 2 people betted 100, then they'd both get 100/2 which is 50 points in the game. Basically, the players th...

Number Basher

numberbasher.onuniverse.com

that was outdated

> I am a student and a teacher. I am aged 12

ATaco

@NumberBasher We understand it because we already know the connection.

lyxal

@ATaco this is completely unrelated to anything here, but is it unbearably cold for you down in Victoria? Because up here is cold as frick right now

ATaco

If you did not know any language, this would be indecipherable.

@lyxal Freezing. Which is why I am hiding inside

Number Basher

02:38

@ATaco oh ok

ATaco

"180" is meaningless if you don't know that they are digits.

lyxal

@ATaco thank frick it's not just me

Number Basher

@ATaco erm well i mean english and Chinese here whatever

guess what the chinese char on the left means

no prize

ATaco

Probably, But I only know it because I know what the right means.

Number Basher

yah i mean let's assume you do

ATaco

02:42

It's likely "Sum of Angles", or simply "Angles"

Number Basher

actually

it means "sum"

but good guess anyways

ATaco

But your original statement was "I sort of think Math is learnable without knowing language"

And my point was that the image you provided wasn't great evidence for that

Number Basher

ok i wanted to say

english or chinese

our school math is so lagging behind

ATaco

"Our"..?

Number Basher

um

my school's math

guess what grade i am in without my age only that pic

ATaco

02:45

In Year 7/8 math, Geometry is pretty on-par.

Number Basher

yah grade 7

ATaco

It's a good step towards Algebra, which is important for later down the line in Methods and Calculus

Number Basher

on-par: don't understand

@ATaco yep

ATaco

On-Par roughly means making good pace

Number Basher

chinese math and english math value different things i think

ATaco

02:46

Referring to Golf, where a Par score is the goal to aim for

Number Basher

Guess what the chinese in the paren means

ATaco

Generally, What math values you go for depend entirely for where you want to end up with math.

Couldn't even begin to parse it.

Oh, Biggest tip regarding school math: Pay attention when they teach Matricies.

Number Basher

i think english math (i am referring to the math in usa by this) values geometry and chinese math values algebra more and exponents and stuff, imo

ATaco

That comes up far too often in programming and I still barely understand them

Number Basher

@ATaco why

@ATaco oh well

ATaco

02:49

If you plan to work with Game Engines, you'll probably need them at least a bit for Camera Operations.

Number Basher

i hold math classes every friday and for today i was thinking about teaching matrix... ;-) i like 3b1b's vids

emanresu A

Canvas is back! (again)

Number Basher

idk why we should have both radians and degrees, either have radians or have degrees.

Radvylf Programs

Well I mean, they're for different audiences

Radians are great for calculus, but annoying for everyday stuff

Number Basher

yah

@emanresuA what is it

like reddit place?

Radvylf Programs

02:53

"2pi no-scope" or "turn pi over two radians to your right" just aren't as catchy

ATaco

Radians are for math, Degrees are for humans.

Radvylf Programs

And gradians are for misanthropes

Number Basher

oh ok

emanresu A

Anything else is for Randall Munroe

Number Basher

@RadvylfPrograms agree

@emanresuA what is it?

Radvylf Programs

02:54

A place where you can draw things

ATaco

And what your particular math library uses will depend entirely on implementation and leave you scratching your head.

Number Basher

oh ok

hahaha

is canvas a bit like r/place?

Radvylf Programs

My new unit for measuring angles: the smirp. There are 4 smirps in a full circle. So yuo're got a "smirp", a "two-smirp", a "half-smirp", a "smirpy" (a third of a smirp), a "two-smirpy", a "half-smirpy", and a "half-smirpypy" (an eighteenth of a smirp)

Number Basher

um ok

all practical or golfing programming languages should have builtin variables π, e, phi. Agree?

Radvylf Programs

More halves and pys can be added to get any fraction with a denominator consisting of halves and thirds

Number Basher

02:57

hmm

what about 37 degrees?

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms do we need to ban you from the international consortium of circle measures too?

Number Basher

what about 1 rad?

@lyxal hmm hahaha

lyxal

Well he's already banned from the international consortium of programming language design due to rSNBATWPL

Number Basher

hahaha

lyxal

he must be going for an all-consortium-ban speedrun

Radvylf Programs

02:59

@NumberBasher That's a thirty-seven-fifth-half-half-half-smirpypy

Number Basher

(i hate parenthesis)

@RadvylfPrograms what about 1 rad?

Radvylf Programs

Can't say that in degrees either

A by-pi-half-smirp

There

Number Basher

hmm

what about 1 smug?

Radvylf Programs

Anyway, night o/

Number Basher

a smug is i radians

> night o/

emanresu A

03:01

o/

Number Basher

does that mean you go to sleep

i'm terribly lagged about slangs internet

has anyone wondered why have spelling and grammar when it doestn affact you understand the meanign of a sentance?

ATaco

Human brains are hardwired for conversation. Interpreting intention and meaning rather than the raw word is what we're built for.

Number Basher

what does night o/ mean?

i'm bad at internet slang

ATaco

"Night" is short for "Good night", and the "o/" is a head and a hand waving

Number Basher

what the ok... o/

what other secret slangs are you hiding from me

Aiden Chow

03:08

if o/ is a thing then is \o also a thing ?

Number Basher

o|/-_ what about this

-\|o|/-

_-\|o|/-_

Aiden Chow

lol when i clicked on radvylfs turing complete challenge in mobile it auto hyperlinked 1114112 as a phone num :p

Number Basher

hmm, i'm planning on a lesson on matrix, any ideas what i should talk about first (audience: a 6th grader)

lyxal

@AidenChow it is

Aiden Chow

@lyxal and they mean what ?

lyxal

03:13

Same thing

Just a different orientation

Anyhow, did you see the Desmos creation I linked?

I think you'll like it

Aiden Chow

im afraid to click it ngl :p

i feel like itll redirect me to a rickroll in some weirdass way

Number Basher

where

@lyxal where

lyxal

@AidenChow Trust me you'll find it interesting

Number Basher

@AidenChow what does ngl mean?

lyxal

14 hours ago, by lyxal

@AidenChow I found something someone made in desmos you might like

Number Basher

03:14

oh ok

lyxal

@NumberBasher not going to lie

Aiden Chow

@NumberBasher not gonna lie

Number Basher

yah i know

i searched

@AidenChow well, both of you are half right

lyxal

@AidenChow it's just a video display of a graph someone made in desmos and quite impressive

Number Basher

@lyxal well, both of you are half right

Aiden Chow

03:16

hmmmm....

hella sus, all im gonna say

Number Basher

ah well

it is a

Aiden Chow

lol okay

im still gonna rickroll myself tho, seems really interesting

lyxal

I didn't lie when I said it was in desmos :p

Number Basher

...- .. -.. . --- / --- ..-. / .- / -.. . ... -- --- ... / --. .-. .- .--. .... / ... --- -- . --- -. . / -- .- -.. .

-.-- .- ....

yah

i'm right

> well, both of you are half right

you got rick rolled but it was desmos

lyxal

@AidenChow I also found nyan cat and megalovania in desmos too

Don't got the links for those though

Number Basher

03:18

where

Aiden Chow

well ppl do some hella impressive stuff in desmos, im not entirely surprised

Number Basher

check this out

lyxal

@NumberBasher I just said I don't have the links for them lol

Unrelated String

@AidenChow imagine not using youtube-dl --get-title :P

Number Basher

check this out

urlcc.cc/mathcodegolf

Aiden Chow

03:20

@UnrelatedString not even too sure where that could be ran but ok

Unrelated String

in
your shell?

are you on like a chromebook or som,ething

Aiden Chow

what shell

Unrelated String

if so, rip

Aiden Chow

on windows 10

where to run that

cmd ??

Unrelated String

just open your terminal

pip install youtube-dl

Aiden Chow

03:21

oh its a python thing ?

Unrelated String

it's a python package but it's also a standalone utility

Number Basher

check this out
urlcc.cc/mathcodegolf

Aiden Chow

AT&T Internet Security
Spam page blocked for your protection
Spam pages exhibit suspicious behavior or particularities we deem risky, therefore you should avoid accessing them to keep your data unharmed.
^ when i clicked on ur site O_O

Number Basher

erm

there must be a wayto actually view the site

it wouldn't crash your computer i promise

anyone?

well, don;t click that link

if you use that python thing

to get all available info:

Rick roll, but with different link
p7YXXieghto
https://rr1---sn-npoe7ns6.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1653039139&ei=wwuHYpmqMOq3z7sP3-WngA0&ip=119.13.103.39&id=o-AEmC0FwZiMqvwDG3JA3wt3_PDRTr92i-kOLSrcR0RZ-k&itag=136&aitags=133%2C134%2C135%2C136%2C160%2C242%2C243%2C244%2C247%2C278&source=youtube&requiressl=yes&mh=3e&mm=31%2C26&mn=sn-npoe7ns6%2Csn-30a7yn76&ms=au%2Conr&mv=m&mvi=1&pl=20&initcwndbps=412500&spc=4ocVC8qCTUnAgp3Yi2SoX7SElZd3&vprv=1&mime=video%2Fmp4&ns=IcWWrOTe3335peIFWuPv6JUG&gir=yes&clen=42277550&dur=212.040&lmt=1628785834150130&mt=1653017106&fvip=4&keepalive=yes&fexp=2400…

lyxal

TIL all you need to bypass pay walls is a 12 foot ladder

Unrelated String

03:34

heh

Number Basher

someone should really make a rick roll detector that searches all available info and detect rick, roll, astley, strangers, love (case-insensitive)

ATaco

03:48

@lyxal That can almost certainly be turned into a web plugin

"Why yes, random website, I am a webcrawler. Thank you for asking."

Number Basher

@lyxal doesn't work for

nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/03/upshot/…

ATaco

I've seen that puzzle before, The answer is surprisingly simple.

Number Basher

yep

well

you just have to remove the

> &gwt=pay&assetType=PAYWALL

i don't know why so simple

i personally like this

web.archive.org/web/20170707110554/http://sineridergame.com

Hello, anyone?

ATaco

I've been working on Funky3 to pass time whilst working, but now I'm working to avoid working on Funky3.

How the turns tabled.

Unrelated String

04:03

:)

lyxal

sometimes I sit and wonder why tomcat apache has to be so special and why it can't just play nice with struts2 and intellij

ATaco

Anytime I hear Apache my ears start to ring and I remember my early days with PhP

lyxal

ew php

Imagine not using java + apache

PyGamer0

@lyxal nice

i can finally read blog posts :)

des54321

04:20

@ATaco pro strat: if youre procrastinating on project A, start working on project B to procrastinate, so that when you feel like procrastinating on project B, you can do that by working on project A

ATaco

Unfortunately that means I'm net productive which goes against my ideals,

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lyxal

04:37

> Next we can create two JSP pages in the ‘jsps’ directory. One page will show a registration form (‘register-input.jsp’), and another will be a success/welcome page (‘register-input.jsp’).

Hmm yes that's two JSP pages

totally two

two completely different names

Unrelated String

~~there's a zero width space in there or something~~

this just in on the latest best practices in java web frameworks

lyxal

IntelliJ not having auto-html linting is fricking with me so bad

actually it doesn't have any auto-lint it seems

Unrelated String

imagine not inconsistently applying idiosyncratic formatting rules that will be lost if anyone else ever touches your code

lyxal

oh it's not like I don't have quirky self-styles it's that I can't be bothered to format copy-pasted code lol

des54321

imagine letting anyone else touch your code

PyGamer0

04:41

@lyxal you can install plugins for that?

Unrelated String

yeah it does fucking suck when copy-pasted code has weird indents

lyxal

@PyGamer0 yes, but it doesn't come with them

@UnrelatedString or no indents

that's also a thing that happens

Unrelated String

yikes

ATaco

@lyxal Github Copilot comments..?

lyxal

uni workshop notes

from before 2021

ATaco

04:43

Ah

lyxal

wanna know how I know they're from before 2021?

because they have stupid fricking out of date gradle instructions

emanresu A

I was gonna guess something about "internet explorer compatibility"

lyxal

I'm missing the Prettier VS Code extension already

it formats jsp files nicely

intellij + sonarlint doesn't

emanresu A

Because people didn't notice before,

Canvas is back!

... and of course y'all first priority is to create amogus

Unrelated String

🥳🥳

...you linked the old subdomain which is still in serverless but when i try opening the new domain it times out lmao

emanresu A

04:49

hard reload

It's on the old one

Unrelated String

oh nvm

yeah

took me like five tries to remember the hard reload shortcut but it worked just as you said that

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